How Russian counterintelligence outplayed US spies in Severodvinsk

A few days ago, an alarming event occurred in the Russian North. Three senior US intelligence officials who wished to get acquainted with the "spiers of the Archangel Cathedrals" accidentally "got lost" and went to Severodvinsk, the country's most important defense center, but were removed from the train by domestic law enforcement officers. What was it, an unsuccessful intelligence operation of the Pentagon, or a successful Russian?



Damaged explosion of an unknown rocket marine test platform at the Nenox training ground


As many as three “diplomats” from the USA came to visit us in the Arkhangelsk Region: First Rank Captain William Whitsitt Curtis from Naval Intelligence, D.S. Dunne from the Pentagon, and Jerry Anthony Arriola through the CIA. All uninvited guests were dressed in mushroom pickers, due to which they should have looked “like everyone else,” but they betrayed themselves by speaking in pure English. So the scouts managed to attract the attention of an ordinary policeman at the station, who detained them for checking documents.

The US Embassy commented on the trip of their military attachés “for mushrooms” as follows:

Our diplomats travel to Russia to better understand it.


From the outside, it all looks like a third-rate spoofed comedy movie where they are exposed as complete idiots. But I don’t want to laugh, considering which objects American intelligence officers were planning to wander around from three departments at once.

In the city of Severodvinsk, the Sevmash plant is located, which creates nuclear and diesel-electric submarines, large surface warships. Its production facilities allow building up to 14 nuclear submarines at a time. The factory employs over 25 thousand employees. With the onset of another Cold War between Russia and the United States, this defense enterprise cannot but be of great interest to the Pentagon and the CIA.

But the matter is not limited to Sevmash alone. There, in the Arkhangelsk region, the 45th State Central Order of Lenin is located the testing range of the Navy, where tragic events took place on August 8 that received great international resonance. During tests of a prototype rocket with an experimental engine, an emergency occurred, which led to the explosion and death of five employees of the Sarov Nuclear Center, who tried to prevent it. An increase in radiation background in Severodvinsk and its environs as a result of tests of the “Putin rocket” was reported. The versions of the Western media and the official Russian diverge.

And in such neighborhoods American "mushroom pickers" might get lost. They themselves claim that they went to see Arkhangelsk, which is not prohibited. The spiers of the domes of the churches of the Russian city are known for their beauty. But for some reason they mistakenly took tickets to Nenoksy, where the secret training ground is located. True, they got off the train halfway and took the return tickets, where they were detained for clarification. What did the trio of military attaches want to achieve with such a sortie?

To infiltrate Sevmash for them is, to put it mildly, an unrealistic task, and there is no reason to. But to be in the vicinity of a secret training ground with Geiger counters and upload photos to social networks - this looks a little more adequate. The testimony of representatives of three US military departments at once would be enough for the Western public to demonstrate that "the Russians are brazenly lying."

Another question is how they were going to walk around the landfill, given its regime status. Without a local guide, this is simply unrealistic. It seems that the American intelligence agents were warned halfway that they were waiting for a “warm welcome”, and they prudently chose to catch the train in the opposite direction. If all this is so, then we have before us an external manifestation of the successful struggle of the Russian counterintelligence with the US intelligence.
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  1. Arkharov Offline
    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 18 October 2019 13: 28
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    And how did the courageous counterintelligence outplay them if you write that they were accidentally detained by a regular policeman at a train station? Is something not converging? Yes, and apparently not particularly lurking, if in the middle of the station chatted in the enemy language, that they already managed to hear the valiant transport police officer? And it’s even funnier that you can’t buy a train ticket now without a passport ......
    1. Sake Offline
      Sake (Sake) 19 October 2019 12: 57
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      Indeed, where is the place of vigilance and heroism? For a mile away, in addition, there is no drama, an event by which they should have appeared for more than a month, a simple flight, especially since they had official permission to visit the Arkhangelsk region.
    2. Sake Offline
      Sake (Sake) 20 October 2019 14: 34
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      Here it is, all the power of Russia on this floating pontoon!
  2. Marzhecki Online
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 18 October 2019 14: 14
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    Quote: Arkharov
    And how did the courageous counterintelligence outplay them if you write that they were accidentally detained by a regular policeman at a train station? Is something not converging? Yes, and apparently not particularly lurking, if in the middle of the station chatted in the enemy language, that they already managed to hear the valiant transport police officer? And it’s even funnier that you can’t buy a train ticket now without a passport ......

    It does not converge with you. On what basis was counterintelligence twisting them along the BACK? Enough of a cop. And the work of counterintelligence is to establish their intentions in advance and prepare a meeting. Another question is that infa has leaked, so there is something to think about.
    1. Arkharov Offline
      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 18 October 2019 14: 25
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      After your answer, I was completely confused who stood on whom. And this is a bad sign. Think through the articles more carefully and do not make people laugh with your headlines. I understand propaganda, but it should not be funny and repulsive. All work must be done in good faith, even such. Careful (emphasis on the last syllable) must somehow work. I will help you as my weak strengths.
      1. 123 Offline
        123 (123) 18 October 2019 17: 10
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        I will help you as my weak strengths.

        But how can you help if you cannot even figure it out here?
        Marzhetsky is absolutely right. “Spies” took a ticket to Nenoksa, they had no chance to get there, because

        The landfill and the area around it within a radius of several kilometers is a closed zone with access control.

        https://www.tourister.ru/responses/id_12966

        Look, read, there is a photo by reference, you can get an idea of ​​what the terrain is like. It’s not Moscow, there, without any counterintelligence of non-native people, they’ll “scribble” in 6 seconds, for this it’s not necessary to speak English, carry a parachute on your back or be an “African American” repeat . The fact that they were under observation is beyond doubt. After

        they got off the train halfway and took the return tickets

        there was no sense in following them further and simply leading them home, they were detained and a violation was recorded. Where you saw the propaganda is decidedly incomprehensible. request
        1. Arkharov Offline
          Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 18 October 2019 18: 32
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          Replayed as if they officially bought the tickets. Just delayed. But such a headline, this is the very propaganda.
          1. 123 Offline
            123 (123) 18 October 2019 18: 38
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            Do you want to say that once with tickets, then they, like ordinary tourists, went on a picnic? What came back? Have you forgotten the brazier?
            1. Arkharov Offline
              Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 18 October 2019 18: 41
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              I have no idea why this was all started, but it seems that they didn’t hide in particular and understood that all this was well known. So I again about the "replay", why these loud headlines? Write, delayed, etc. Who is all this for?
              1. 123 Offline
                123 (123) 18 October 2019 18: 44
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                "Tourists" rode for a reason, they were not allowed to complete their plan, and therefore they returned. In this case, the title is justified.
                1. Arkharov Offline
                  Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 18 October 2019 19: 47
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                  Tourists "rode for a reason, they were not given the opportunity to complete their plan, and therefore they returned.

                  - what did they conceive? You know? In general, all this, including heading, somewhat reminiscent of stories about Major Pronin.
                  1. 123 Offline
                    123 (123) 18 October 2019 21: 02
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                    - what did they conceive? You know?

                    That we will never know. Firstly, such details are not told to reporters, and secondly, they have diplomatic status, they were not questioned.

                    In general, all this, including heading, somewhat reminiscent of stories about Major Pronin.

                    Maybe. And the three morons going to the rocket range with bast bumps do not remind you of anything? It’s not our fault that they are so “creative”. Remember the American intelligence officer who left the embassy in a wig and with a compass? It’s just that they sometimes work according to the patterns of the 30s of the last century, because everything looks stupid and not believable. Then there were also lovers to ride the train, then jump out and get down on skis. If not mistaken, Finnish attache.
                    1. Sake Offline
                      Sake (Sake) 19 October 2019 13: 21
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                      Well, yes, how Chepiga and Mishkin were in uniform and with orders at the Salisberets Cathedral! And Simonyan’s performance of two “pigeons” is just a shame! Petrosyan silently smokes on the sidelines! If the colonels are such stupid people, then what about captains and majors from the GRU? Which, in fact, lit up 350 passports from their collective farm! So, the author, your swagger and attempt to give us in the style of the vigilantly "Karatsupa border guard" is also from the 30s of the last century.
                      1. 123 Offline
                        123 (123) 19 October 2019 16: 58
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                        Learn the remnants of thoughts to express clearly. Chepiga, Mishkin, passports, pigeons, Petrosyan ....
                        What did you want to say?
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            2. Bitter Offline
              Bitter (Gleb) 18 October 2019 21: 35
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              Is there an option that they should have taken these "mushroom pickers"?
              And some “fishermen” or some other “group in striped swimsuits” calmly gathered “gear” and screwed it up. what
              1. 123 Offline
                123 (123) 20 October 2019 15: 49
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                The version of the "distraction maneuver" is quite logical and deserves the right to life. good Only doubt that

                ... a group in striped swimsuits "calmly gathered" gear "and screwed.

                The protection of such an object is not limited to the barrier under the watchful eye of a "spiteful" grandmother with a "berdanka".
                angry Such objects are guarded "in an adult way." soldier I also doubt that all the doors were thrown open wide and all the guards rushed to catch mushroom pickers.
                1. Bitter Offline
                  Bitter (Gleb) 20 October 2019 22: 50
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                  Ndaa, such theories.
                  Everyone thinks and is confident that "in an adult way," but real?
                  Trite, donkey loaded with gold, and took such obstacles without a run. repeat
                  Maybe this would be a “run” for an alibi, so that a certain source inside, from the side or from above would not be lit? bully
                  If you really really developed and delayed, then, of course, everyone will get at least a chocolate bar. And the film will be shot soon. fellow
                  1. 123 Offline
                    123 (123) 20 October 2019 23: 25
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                    Trite, donkey loaded with gold and took such obstacles without a start.

                    What's the point? Even if someone took soil and water samples there? They don’t know anything. Mushroom pickers at the landfill are from impotence. Trying to do something at least.

                    If you really really developed and delayed, then, of course, everyone will get at least a chocolate bar. And the film will be shot soon

                    They have diplomatic passports, they talked and released. If you shoot about all the films, Mosfilm is not enough. sad "Kina will not be" winked
            3. A.Lex Offline
              A.Lex (Secret information) 19 October 2019 09: 36
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              Grisha, you have no idea about anything and yet undertake to judge the author of the article?
  3. Sake Offline
    Sake (Sake) 19 October 2019 12: 58
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    Valiant Karatsupa did not oversleep ...
  • Astronaut Offline
    Astronaut (San Sanych) 18 October 2019 15: 40
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    ... that "the Russians are brazenly lying."

    Oh-she-and Westerners, well, honesty itself. wassat lol
  • Starover_Z Offline
    Starover_Z (Yuri) 18 October 2019 20: 45
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    Quote: Arkharov
    Yes, and apparently not particularly lurking, if in the middle of the station chatted in the enemy language, that they already managed to hear the valiant transport police officer?

    Or maybe they were also African-Americans ?!

    All uninvited guests were dressed in mushroom pickers, due to which they should have looked “like everyone else”, but they gave themselves out by communication in pure English.

    1. Arkharov Offline
      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 18 October 2019 20: 49
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      Yes, it seems that somehow it was.
  • Marzhecki Online
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 19 October 2019 08: 43
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    Quote: Arkharov
    Think through the articles more carefully and do not make people laugh with your headlines. I understand propaganda, but it should not be funny and repulsive. All work must be done in good faith, even such. Careful (emphasis on the last syllable) must somehow work. I will help you as my weak strengths

    It’s better not to disgrace yourself with such comments.
    1. A.Lex Offline
      A.Lex (Secret information) 19 October 2019 09: 42
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      Sergey, most likely them made it possible for them to see that their "lead" - because those and left the "distance". The network posted what ordinary people can show, but everything else we do not need to know. Those, who needs- they know. For the people it was shown that the state is watching, the rest is not important.
      1. Sake Offline
        Sake (Sake) 19 October 2019 13: 34
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        Well, yes, we know that in Russia everyone secrets, so that later they will not be responsible for what they have done. So it was before the operation to seize the Crimea and the invasion of Donbass, the State Duma adopted a law on the secrecy of the loss of army personnel in peacetime and wartime. Then it was already clear that something was cooking in the boiler. So it was before the "Syrian campaign", with the advent of the prefix ".... banned in the Russian Federation", less than 3 months later, they crawled into Syria (as before in Afghanistan). If Moscow says it’s preoccupied, it means they’ve already stolen, or are fighting, or have already “won”, and at least 3 times. But what is the difference between an Englishman and a Russian? I answer, the Englishman leaves without saying goodbye, and the Russian says goodbye and does not leave!
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          123 (123) 19 October 2019 17: 02
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          They started talking to themselves.

          But what is the difference between an Englishman and a Russian? I answer, the Englishman leaves without saying goodbye, and the Russian says goodbye and does not leave!
          1. A.Lex Offline
            A.Lex (Secret information) 20 October 2019 18: 53
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            Note that he does not need interlocutors - he BROADCASES as the last resort of TRUTH! Real kreaklovy liberoid ... or liberoid kreakl - I have not yet learned to separate the first from the second and the second from the first. I hope to learn. wink
    2. Arkharov Offline
      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 19 October 2019 09: 49
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      And what is there to disgrace? Your articles are mostly biased and often somewhat primitive. As, however, the whole resource. What level they are designed for, I do not know, and judging by the small number of comments, they are not particularly public and interesting. And for you, as I understand it, the headlines are especially important, here you are the king. So my help in the form of friendly criticism, I think, will be useful to you.
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  • Marzhecki Online
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 19 October 2019 10: 43
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    Quote: Arkharov
    And what is there to disgrace? Your articles are mostly biased and often somewhat primitive. As, however, the whole resource. What level they are designed for, I do not know, and judging by the small number of comments, they are not particularly public and interesting. And for you, as I understand it, the headlines are especially important, here you are the king. So my help in the form of friendly criticism, I think, will be useful to you.

    As I understand it from your comments, you are a person of liberal views. You are not my friend, and I do not need your services.
    The rest of what you wrote is flavoring. How primitive is your idea of ​​what is happening, other commentators have written to you. But, apparently, you did not understand this. hi
    1. Sake Offline
      Sake (Sake) 19 October 2019 13: 54
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      When the word "liberalism" is used abusively, everything is clear with this comrade, he follows the instructions of the payer or a supporter of the feudal-dictatorial regime. Firstly, Russia, in search of its own special path of development over the past 100 years of wandering around, has returned to the tsar, to priests, to thieves-embezzlers on an unprecedented scale in history, to the gendarmes in the person of the Russian Guard, having lost more than 62 million people on this path!
      Nowadays, this walking in a circle is already turning into an obstacle race, where each obstacle is an enemy created by the regime out of the blue! The question is, all neighboring countries cannot be enemies at the same time, maybe the whole problem is in Moscow, in the regime that leads the people to Hell, as promised?
      1. A.Lex Offline
        A.Lex (Secret information) 20 October 2019 18: 59
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        Hmm, what about Bandera in Ukrainian lands? Zigzagging and screaming Nazi salutes, with hanging Nazi symbols on public display?
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    Marzhecki (Sergei) 19 October 2019 10: 45
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    Quote: A.Lex
    Grisha, you have no idea about anything and yet undertake to judge the author of the article?

    Grisha accused me of tendentiousness, but he did not see the logs in his own eye. smile
    1. Arkharov Offline
      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 19 October 2019 11: 01
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      Yes, the views are clearly liberal, I want to once again, for the general development, recall the concept of liberalism:

      Liberalism proclaims the rights and freedoms of each person as the supreme value and establishes them as the legal basis of social and economic order. Moreover, the ability of the state and the church to influence the life of society is limited by the constitution. The most important freedoms in modern liberalism are the freedom to speak out publicly, the freedom to choose a religion, the freedom to choose representatives in fair and free elections. In economic terms, the principles of liberalism are the inviolability of private property, freedom of trade and business. In legal terms, the principles of liberalism are the rule of law over the will of rulers and the equality of all citizens before the law, regardless of their wealth, position and influence.
      The ideological antithesis of liberalism is authoritarian ideas and concepts - those that deny freedom and human rights, the democratic system of power and which instead argue for leadership, the state’s priority over man and the inevitability of forceful coercion.

      Sorry, long, but about the help, of course, banter.
      1. Marzhecki Online
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 19 October 2019 12: 40
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        I am very sorry that neither I nor the Reporter as a whole meet your high standards.
        But why are you wasting your time on us? (This is also a banter, if you do not understand).
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      2. Marzhecki Online
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 19 October 2019 12: 47
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        This is demagogy, and here's why.
        Liberalism is good for the citizens of a victorious Cold War country. The liberals in the country that lost it are de facto collaborators.
        I distinguish between Russian "liberals" of two types:
        1) sincerely mistaken, held captive by a certain mythology of liberalism;
        2) people with cold eyes, who perfectly understand how things really are, but bend this line for the sake of a certain gesheft. There are many of them on federal TV.
        1. Arkharov Offline
          Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 19 October 2019 14: 11
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          Well, we started the usual mantra. 90% knew what you would write here. But this is when, in response, essentially can’t say anything. And don’t remember in vain the shit TV, well, remember not for the night. By the way, look at the attitude of a considerable part of our population to this phenomenon on the example of a petition according to Soloviev. I'm afraid you will be unpleasantly surprised, for almost 162 thousand signatures.
          1. A.Lex Offline
            A.Lex (Secret information) 20 October 2019 19: 03
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            162 signatures? Total? finely ...
            1. Arkharov Offline
              Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 21 October 2019 09: 34
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              Read carefully: THOUSAND, and now 174000 !!!
              1. A.Lex Offline
                A.Lex (Secret information) 21 October 2019 14: 25
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                AND? There are millions of us, those who have seen and see what you have led the country to in these 28 years, what you are trying to create and who you are working for. And therefore ... we are watching you and do not think that everything that you have done in due time will get away with you.
                1. Arkharov Offline
                  Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 21 October 2019 14: 29
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                  20 years of them are already yours.
                  1. A.Lex Offline
                    A.Lex (Secret information) 21 October 2019 18: 35
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                    My? Mine are not. Yours, yes. Because I am a Soviet person. And here you are ... lovers of cookies from the master's table ...
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                    2. Arkharov Offline
                      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 21 October 2019 21: 31
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                      And what is Soviet people in your understanding? Already about five times you think about it, maybe enlighten? It has already become interesting. Only, if, of course, it is within your power, without the usual balabolism and demagogy.
        2. Oleg Rambover Offline
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 20 October 2019 01: 07
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          Quote: Marzhetsky
          This is demagogy, and here's why.
          Liberalism is good for the citizens of a victorious Cold War country. The liberals in the country that lost it are de facto collaborators.

          And it’s possible to expand, otherwise it is completely incomprehensible why this is demagogy and why liberal ideas are not suitable for Russians.
          Interestingly, can you offer an alternative to liberalism? Do you know that the Constitution of the Russian Federation is written according to liberal canons? Like the very concept of the constitution, that is, the restriction of power by law, is absolutely liberal. Universal suffrage is also a liberal idea. That a woman is also a man and has equal rights is a relatively new and liberal idea. Do you propose to give up all this?
          And what in return? Monarchy?
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            Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 20 October 2019 09: 02
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            The constitution is just good. The main issue is the execution of it.
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        Sake (Sake) 19 October 2019 14: 06
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        I agree with you completely. Let us compare the standard of living of the population, where liberal democratic principles are state ones. These include all the Scandinavian countries, Denmark, Austria, Holland, Germany, and a number of other countries in the EU. And now compare what we have in Russia?
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          123 (123) 19 October 2019 17: 11
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          Another utter stupidity. What does the standard of living have to do with it? You can compare with Singapore, and Saudi Arabia. What is the logic?
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          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 20 October 2019 00: 35
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          In Russia, too, the Constitution was written according to liberal principles (and even in the 1936 Stalinist period it was quite liberal). In Bulgaria, power is also organized according to liberal democratic principles, but the country is poor. The relationship between living standards and democratic principles of government is not direct.
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        123 (123) 19 October 2019 17: 06
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        From me +. It is a pity that most people who consider themselves liberals have never read this definition, and if they do, they will not understand a word.
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          1. 123 Offline
            123 (123) 20 October 2019 19: 43
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            Yes, and to hell with him, I will survive. laughing
            It's just that most people who consider themselves liberals have never read such a definition. They are thinking of scolding Putin, and indeed power, that’s enough. lol
    2. A.Lex Offline
      A.Lex (Secret information) 20 October 2019 19: 01
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      And kreaklovoy liberda is a special chic! wink They consider themselves right from the beginning, denying the rest to their vision of the truth.
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        Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 21 October 2019 09: 38
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        Do you have enough fantasies for anything else but liberoids and creaks? Was everything cycled like that, or is there nothing else in the training manual? But in essence of the article can you write something, or are there difficulties, do you need to think with your head?
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          A.Lex (Secret information) 21 October 2019 14: 22
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          Fancy? This is your fantasy, and we only poke your nose at yours .... Yes, and the training manuals are only yours, because you are blowing the same tune in different ways that Russia is bad, its power is not good, and people really suck. Here are just people like you in the revolution (which you and people like you) hung you. Because "revolution has always devoured its children." You are the liberd, not the liberals. and you are not democrats. But the combination of words liberal democrats (which in itself is nonsense as a definition) also gives such an oxymoron. And you because you position yourself allegedly creative class (hence the reduction). And you are led by those who started this whole bacchanal - looking after you from the amers:


          And here you will NOT be able to do ANYTHING, for this is already a story into which you have gotten involved.
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            Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 21 October 2019 14: 28
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            Our revolution is, rather, the February one, and the October revolution is already, rather, yours, about which you can just:

            The revolution has always devoured its children.

            And the liberal democrats, in their current form, it’s certainly yours, there’s nothing to be done. And what is there in the photo that makes you your beloved projector-academician? Well, in essence, didn’t you try to strain the brains of the article?
            1. A.Lex Offline
              A.Lex (Secret information) 21 October 2019 18: 41
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              Everything is at stake! ... But your little king, it turns out, has overthrown? And here you are! And the Bolsheviks, it turns out, have nothing to do with it. Yours just destroyed your Russian empire ... In addition, the alloy of the TOY elite and the Trotskyists gave birth to you — those who wholesale and retail in the homeland. Congratulations on this.
              .... and again for you - I am a Soviet person!
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                Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 21 October 2019 20: 42
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                I’m afraid that the tsar’s father himself fell down, like a ripe cut ears, and there was no need to overthrow it. And anyway, do you even try to understand what people are writing to you, and not a chanting mantra. It was just about the Bolsheviks that I wrote: the revolution always devoured its children. Somehow it seemed to me that you are a more serious enemy, and in the last post you wrote some kind of garbage: the Russian empire, "that elite", the tsar-priest, the Trotskyists, Soviet people .... Some kind of primitive. You lived in the USSR in general, I wonder what is in your understanding - a Soviet person?
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    qwertykus (qwertykus) 19 October 2019 11: 38
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    The point is to go there, the locals already ran there with dosimeters near these barges, everything was laid out on YouTube a long time ago. The headline, of course, is flashy. Usually, if they want to catch someone important, for the sake of rank or award, there is even the most important degeneral, but some kind of cop stopped. The mess. The cop deprive bonuses and vacations for interfering in the games of the special services)))
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    Panting (Vyacheslav) 19 October 2019 12: 14
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    Or maybe these three "mushroom pickers" were a distraction? Too obviously they framed.
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      A.Lex (Secret information) 20 October 2019 19: 09
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      Everything may be, but Liberota does not consider such options. They initially - the Kremlin is guilty that it detained the "fair-faced" for NO !!!
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    Sake (Sake) 19 October 2019 12: 38
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    No need to drive the blizzard, the Americans filed an official document to visit the Arkhangelsk region. and got consent. So, they and their route were known, and in their detention there is no heroism, the usual work of those who are obliged to look after the sensitive territories.
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    Marzhecki (Sergei) 19 October 2019 13: 02
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    Quote: Sake
    No need to drive the blizzard, the Americans filed an official document to visit the Arkhangelsk region. and got consent. So, they and their route were known, and in their detention there is no heroism, the usual work of those who are obliged to look after the sensitive territories.

    They didn’t go where they intended. Therefore, you yourself do not drive the blizzard.
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    Marzhecki (Sergei) 19 October 2019 13: 03
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    Quote: Sake
    ... really, but where is the place of vigilance and heroism? Not a mile away, except for the event by which they should have appeared for more than a month, there is no drama, a simple flight, the more they had official permission to visit the Arkhangelsk region.

    Are you from the same office, or what?
  • Marzhecki Online
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 19 October 2019 13: 09
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    Quote: Arkharov
    Yes, the views are clearly liberal, I want to once again, for the general development, recall the concept of liberalism:

    Liberalism proclaims the rights and freedoms of each person as the supreme value and establishes them as the legal basis of social and economic order. Moreover, the ability of the state and the church to influence the life of society is limited by the constitution. The most important freedoms in modern liberalism are the freedom to speak out publicly, the freedom to choose a religion, the freedom to choose representatives in fair and free elections. In economic terms, the principles of liberalism are the inviolability of private property, freedom of trade and business. In legal terms, the principles of liberalism are the rule of law over the will of rulers and the equality of all citizens before the law, regardless of their wealth, position and influence.
    The ideological antithesis of liberalism is authoritarian ideas and concepts - those that deny freedom and human rights, the democratic system of power and which instead argue for leadership, the state’s priority over man and the inevitability of forceful coercion.

    Sorry, long, but about the help, of course, banter.

    You know, now it can begin here with ... h. 150 comments on the essence of Russian "liberalism". What I think of this, I write regularly in my publications.
    I am absolutely not interested in discussing with you. I personally understood everything about you, and you yourself confirmed.
    If my work is unpleasant for you, then for me it is even a compliment.
    I don’t see any point in further discussion, you just don’t understand what I or other people will write, and my time and nerve cells are expensive for me to waste them. Because personally, I am rounded off on this.
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      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 19 October 2019 14: 23
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      Well, you see, I’m clearly helping you, see how active the discussion was! And that would be, as usual: the three of us would praise each other and be satisfied with the successful struggle against liberalism and Western values, would calm down until the next article. A discussion is unnecessary visits to the site, at least the appearance of interest in it and, accordingly, a great attraction for advertisers. So, do not worry, you will not be lost with me !!!
  • Marzhecki Online
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 19 October 2019 13: 31
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    Quote: Arkharov
    Yes, the views are clearly liberal, I want to once again, for the general development, recall the concept of liberalism:

    Liberalism proclaims the rights and freedoms of each person as the supreme value and establishes them as the legal basis of social and economic order. Moreover, the ability of the state and the church to influence the life of society is limited by the constitution. The most important freedoms in modern liberalism are the freedom to speak out publicly, the freedom to choose a religion, the freedom to choose representatives in fair and free elections. In economic terms, the principles of liberalism are the inviolability of private property, freedom of trade and business. In legal terms, the principles of liberalism are the rule of law over the will of rulers and the equality of all citizens before the law, regardless of their wealth, position and influence.
    The ideological antithesis of liberalism is authoritarian ideas and concepts - those that deny freedom and human rights, the democratic system of power and which instead argue for leadership, the state’s priority over man and the inevitability of forceful coercion.

    Sorry, long, but about the help, of course, banter.

    Liberalism is today's reincarnation of fascism.

    http://zavtra.ru/blogs/liberalizm_segodnyashnyaya_reinkarnatciya_fashizma
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      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 19 October 2019 14: 15
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      They promised to round, but nothing. Will I really just open a link to the newspaper "Tomorrow", I'm afraid I will not allow a sense of disgust.
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      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 21 October 2019 01: 51
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      Delyagin is a rather strange character. In this article, he hangs up labels, ascribes to the world liberal backstage some kind of malicious intent (conspiracy theory) and does not cite any argument in favor of his theory.
      The fact is said to the contrary, the world's population (including Russians) have never lived as well as they are now. There have never been so few wars in history. What liberal "Russophobia" degenerates into is not clear, especially since he compares it with the Ost plan. What is Russian civilization is also not disclosed.

      Quote: Marzhetsky
      Liberalism is today's reincarnation of fascism.

      Well, this is complete nonsense, liberalism and fascism are antonyms, it's like hot and cold. Fascism puts the state at the forefront (the modern name of fascism is "statesman"), human liberalism. Fascism says that the state should intervene in all areas of society, liberalism, that the state should intervene as little as possible in society.
      I wonder why you do not defend your point of view? You have no arguments?
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        Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 21 October 2019 21: 36
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        Delyagin is a rather strange character - quite softly, intelligently and unjustifiably optimistic.
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          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 22 October 2019 23: 19
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          What are you, Delyagin is not without talent. He worked in all the governments of Yeltsin from Gaidar to Kasyanov. Have you created at least some overwhelming institute? And he created, muddy, with the same muddy personalities in the state, without a site and even seemingly without a premises, but the institute takes money from somewhere from him, I won’t be surprised if the state has it. Academician of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences (also a muddy organization, not to be confused with the RAS), etc.
          Apparently, he has a great sense of smell, he feels where the wind is blowing. Under Yeltsin, a liberal; under Putin, an anti-liberal.
          It is simply amazing that Comrade Marzhetsky chose such a diverse personality as Delyagin, who was Yeltsin’s ally and participated in liberal reforms of the 90s in Russia as the ideological inspirer. It's funny.
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    Port 19 October 2019 13: 45
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    Quote: Sake
    But what is the difference between an Englishman and a Russian? I answer, the Englishman leaves without saying goodbye, and the Russian says goodbye and does not leave!

    This is the answer from the point of view of the Zionist, and in the original source it sounds - the Zionist is at the door, and he is at the window.
  • Marzhecki Online
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 20 October 2019 07: 36
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    Quote: Arkharov
    They promised to round, but nothing. Will I really just open a link to the newspaper "Tomorrow", I'm afraid I will not allow a sense of disgust.

    The link is not for you. Everything is clear with you. It is for other readers.
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      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 20 October 2019 09: 05
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      Maybe people don’t need to clog their brains with such frank delirium (I try my best to put it mildly)?
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    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 20 October 2019 20: 46
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    And what was taken by chance !!! On the way back!!! Because didn’t hide and chat in English !!! This is somehow not emphasized ...
    That is, those who do not talk in English, and not blacks, and not from the embassy - are still hanging around there ???
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    Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 October 2019 13: 18
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    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    Well, this is complete nonsense, liberalism and fascism are antonyms, it's like hot and cold. Fascism puts the state at the forefront (the modern name of fascism is "statesman"), human liberalism. Fascism says that the state should intervene in all areas of society, liberalism, that the state should intervene as little as possible in society.
    I wonder why you do not defend your point of view? You have no arguments?

    I wrote above that I do not see the point in this. I express my opinion on the essence of Russian liberalism regularly in articles, on concrete examples, with these very arguments.
    As for the beautiful sign of liberalism with its slogans behind which you hide, I prefer to delve into its essence with examples.
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    Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 October 2019 13: 19
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    Quote: Arkharov
    Maybe people don’t need to clog their brains with such frank delirium (I try my best to put it mildly)?

    Bullshit is just for you.
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    Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 October 2019 13: 21
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    Somehow it seemed to me that you are a more serious enemy, and in the last post you wrote some garbage in general: the Russian empire,

    Oh, are the masks reset?
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    Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 October 2019 13: 23
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    And what was taken by chance !!! On the way back!!! Because didn’t hide and chat in English !!! This is somehow not emphasized ...
    That is, those who do not talk in English, and not blacks, and not from the embassy - are still hanging around there ???

    You have a very primitive idea.
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      Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 23 October 2019 14: 27
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      This is a possible option, although served jokingly.
      On the way back, almost 3 military ranks were intercepted almost by accident, obviously not the pros in the introduction (and there were definitely no blacks among them?).

      But perhaps, as always, this is such a cunning, cunning plan of the Kremlin ...