Kuril Islands: our de jure, de facto common?

The other day from Tokyo they again reminded that they did not forget about their "northern territories" there. Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said Japan’s sovereignty extends to all of the Kuril Islands. It clearly follows from his words that Moscow will not get off with any two islands. At the same time, the Japanese leader pleased the country's Parliament with a message on the consistent implementation of previously reached agreements with Russia. What does Shinzo Abe mean?




As you know, Japan, an ally of the Third Reich during the Second World War, lost the Kuril Islands as a losing side, and also refused claims on them. In 1956, Tokyo had a chance to return Shikotan and Habomai, but for this the island state had to conclude a peace treaty with the USSR and become neutral in the ongoing Cold War. However, Japan relied on the United States, having entered into a treaty of military cooperation in 1960, thanks to which a large number of American military bases appeared in this country.

Because of its choice, Tokyo has lost prospects for the return of the "northern territories". So Russia and Japan coexisted quite normally for seventy years, until unexpectedly for many years ago, President Putin took the initiative to conclude a peace treaty on the basis of that “dust-covered” Joint Declaration. This idea caused great public resonance and rejection from the vast majority of the Russian population. In turn, the talks between Putin and Abe did not cause enthusiasm in Japan itself, since the nationalists there considered that their prime minister was ready to limit himself to only Shikotan and Habomai, instead of all four islands.

Finding a compromise that would suit all parties is extremely difficult. The Pentagon is not going to withdraw its military bases, which became an obstacle to the resolution of the territorial dispute in 1960. The American "roof" is vital for Tokyo to contain the PRC and the DPRK. No preliminary agreements with Russia will prevent Japan, in case the islands are returned, from placing US military bases or their own on them, and much has been said about the strategic importance of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk for the security of our country.

So it turns out that it is impossible for any of the parties to resolve a territorial dispute legally, without enormous losses. It seems that Tokyo decided to take a break to postpone the issue to the “post-Putin era”, which will come already in 2024, when unpopular decisions will no longer be associated directly with the person of Vladimir Vladimirovich. It seems very likely that for this transition period, Moscow and Tokyo are ready to act according to the formula “de jure Russian, de facto common islands”.

Speaking to the Japanese Parliament, Shinzo Abe said:

Currently, joint economic activity has begun on four northern islands. For the third year in a row, our citizens have the opportunity to visit the graves of their ancestors there using an airplane.


The preservation of Russian sovereignty over the Kuril Islands is a guarantee of the non-deployment of foreign military infrastructure on them. Very fundamental is the question of joint economic activity in that part, on the basis of which legislation it is carried out. Japanese laws cannot be applied in the Kuril Islands, and refuses to work in Russian Tokyo, because de jure this means recognition of Russia's sovereignty over the "northern territories."

It has been suggested that the parties may find a formula based on international law. Economic Prime Minister Abe, who promised to return the islands to the grave of his father, could well put himself on the plus side to save face in front of the people of Japan.
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  1. Pishenkov Offline
    Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 October 2019 11: 30
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    Let them invest. It is necessary to open free economic zones there and let them work there according to their own laws, at least according to what else they want. But taxes, it is that outside of these zones, are required to pay according to the law of the Russian Federation. Russian sovereignty over the islands, that is, territorial waters, and airspace under the control of the Russian Federation, which means that everything that is imported and exported, is also. So what's the problem? Such sharing is convenient for them - even if they use it ...
    1. Victor N Offline
      Victor N (Victor n) 9 October 2019 12: 33
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      Valuable natural resources must be used by ourselves! Healthy, gourmet food is needed in Russia - crabs, scallops, sea cucumbers ..... There are many talkers in Russia, especially former party functionaries, but there is no one to work on the islands ...
      1. Pishenkov Offline
        Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 October 2019 12: 43
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        Yes, everything would be fine, just to be able to use these resources ourselves. And then the Russian Federation has such few opportunities. And those that exist work mainly in the face of smuggling into the same Japan, Korea and China. This is for catch. Recycling is generally tight. And so, while the Japanese can either pay taxes on this, or are ready to deliver goods to the Russian market, depending on what conditions they are supplied with.
        The main thing is that on the spot there these very “functionaries” you are talking about, all this business again and again did not spoil for their own immediate benefit ...
      2. Digital error Offline
        Digital error (Eugene) 9 October 2019 22: 13
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        Quote: Victor N
        Valuable natural resources must be used by ourselves!

        Undoubtedly. The composition of the shareholders of Rosneft as of October 1, 2019, in addition to the state:
        1. BP Rashan Investments Limited, share in the authorized capital - 19,75%
        2. QH Oil Investments LLK, share - 18,93%
        3. Non-bank credit organization Joint Stock Company National Settlement Depository, share - 10,97%
        For Gazprom shareholders, lazily copying here.

        Quote: Victor N
        There are many talkers in Russia.

        Here I agree.
  2. Marzhecki Offline
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 9 October 2019 11: 35
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    Quote: Pyshenkov
    Let them invest. It is necessary to open free economic zones there and let them work there according to their own laws, at least according to what else they want. But taxes, it is that outside of these zones, are required to pay according to the law of the Russian Federation. Russian sovereignty over the islands, that is, territorial waters and airspace is under the control of the Russian Federation, which means everything that is imported and exported too. So what's the problem? Such sharing is convenient for them - even if they use it ...

    They want more ... but so far ..
    1. Pishenkov Offline
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 October 2019 12: 37
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      ... well, there are many who want a lot of things winkbut as they say -

      Better a tit in a hand than a crane in the sky.

      I think the Japanese have this saying too. Eastern peoples are pragmatic. So, I think, for them, in any case, this “so far” is definitely better than nothing at all ... wink
  3. Sapsan136 Offline
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 9 October 2019 12: 36
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    The Kuril Islands belong to Russia rightfully, and with or without a formula, Putin can give Japan only his own, personal, but not that which belongs to Russia! So, Medvedev has already been distributed with impropriety many state lands and seas, but they have not been attached a lot!
    1. Pishenkov Offline
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 October 2019 12: 46
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      ... and what did Putin and Medvedev give away, if not a secret? ... did Gorbi and Yeltsin surpass?
      That’s what they’ve attached - the whole world knows, but what?
      1. Sapsan136 Offline
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 9 October 2019 12: 56
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        Look how much they donated to Norway, by the way, they found oil and gas, and for this it would not hurt to resign, especially to Medvedev, voluntarily ...
        1. Pishenkov Offline
          Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 October 2019 13: 04
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          ... well, I’m looking and I don’t see ... request I see Ossetia, I see Abkhazia, I see Crimea ... Have they given anything to Norway? Maybe Svalbard? So he was like that. Is the shelf somewhere? So it is established by international regulation of the shelf and territorial waters, and not by Medvedev ...
          1. Sapsan136 Offline
            Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 9 October 2019 13: 07
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            This is established by each country individually ... So, for example, some countries unilaterally proclaimed with their territorial waters a space 300 km from their shores, and not what they were told from the USA and the EU ... Medvedev caved in, let and leaves for Norway, for permanent residence, in Russia such as him, unnecessarily ... And, by the way, they did not dare to join South Ossetia and Abkhazia to Russia ...
            1. Pishenkov Offline
              Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 October 2019 13: 21
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              ... Ossetia and Abkhazia actually joined. About the fact that the size of the shelf is set by the state ONLY, I hear for the first time. And who did this?
              And as for who caved in somewhere - the Russian Federation, unfortunately, is not the USSR, and it is no longer able to afford what the Soviet Union could. And it’s just necessary to take note and live with it, until then, at least until, if it works out, the country will not return to such a position in the world ... Now, most likely, only the USA can personally determine the size of its shelf and China, and even then not everywhere ...
              1. Sapsan136 Offline
                Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 9 October 2019 14: 03
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                When South Ossetia and Abkhazia will become part of the Russian Federation, then you will begin to speak, and now, as the youth says, you have glitches ... countries have declared the country’s 300 mile zone much weaker than the Russian Federation, and if Dima and Vova have a weak soul, then do not climb them to lead the Russian Federation.
                1. Pishenkov Offline
                  Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 October 2019 14: 13
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                  ... so what countries are these? And who observes this? Notify.
                  As for Ossetia and Abkhazia, they are doing as it seems possible at the moment. I repeat - the Russian Federation is not the USSR. It is necessary to behave appropriately.
                  And about leadership - and you there too -

                  ... if Dima and Vova have a weak soul, then you don’t have to climb the RF to lead them.

                  Do you have an alternative? Who is not weak? Introduce. Maybe in the next election, then, I will no longer vote for Putin ... if there is an alternative. But not her. You and others criticize all the same, criticize, and who else? Do you have a better candidate ??? Or at least comparable ???
                  1. Sapsan136 Offline
                    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 9 October 2019 16: 03
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                    So far, Putin is producing independent parasites-parasites, such as Lukashenko, who spend the money of the Russian Federation on themselves with virtually no obligations. I even respect Zhirinovsky more, he gave his personal armored car the Tiger to the Donbass, HIS PERSONAL ... and Putin only gives the money of the Russian Federation to all Kirghizia for nothing, not his personal ones ... and the treasury bills didn’t allow him that ... moreover, that he constantly puffs about the fact that there is not enough money for retirement in the Russian Federation ... Let him save in Belarus with Belarus and in the bows of Boris drunkard, and not for us.
                    1. Pishenkov Offline
                      Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 October 2019 16: 52
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                      ... everything is wonderful, and it seems even correct ... BUT ... do you have an alternative? The question is still the same. And he remained unanswered.
                      If not, then all this is tantamount to complaining about the weather - in the summer it is too warm, in the winter too cold, in the rain too wet, in the drought too dry ... And what's the point of such criticism? The climate will change ???
                      Zhirinovsky gave his car ... So what? In addition to this "Tiger" of the elderly, he also gave a couple of Maybachs in the garage, so he gave it. He lives for himself with his 5% of the vote and does not bother - this is his niche. And with such actions, he holds his own niche. The thrill that comes to mind - he’s not the president, responsibility is zero, that’s what he can do ... And Putin drove a disabled child by helicopter over Peter, invited the other out to the camp ... Yes, all this is good ... But , like chatter about the weather, the climate does not change. All children with disabilities do not feel better at once, just like the Tiger of Zhirinovsky won’t win the war there ...
                      As for all sorts of “Kyrgyzstan and Belarus” - it’s not up to you and I to decide, of course, but also, look more broadly: yes, they spent it, but if American bases appeared there, would you save on this? Unlikely. We would have spent even more to “level” this threat. And this is like with diseases - it’s better to buy and eat a vitamin and not get sick, then it’s 10 times more expensive to be treated, and even without a guarantee of success ...
                      1. Sapsan136 Offline
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 10 October 2019 05: 11
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                        Medvedev also has a lot of things, and Putin is not a beggar, but Zhirinovsky gave his armored car, and not a budget one, and not them, for which I respect Zhirinovsky and not Dimon with GDP ... It’s not expensive to ride a helicopter about 3000 rubles , with his salary and other incomes ... And American bases will appear there anyway, look at Ukraine ... How much money did the Khokhlov give and what is the answer ?! All the countries of the former Union created their independence on Russophobia and Russia does not have to expect good from them ... the USSR also fed free all sorts of foreign raggies, eventually destroyed its economy, since the money had to be spent on itself, and not on Ethiopia ... And anyone who does not understand this has no place in the Kremlin!
                      2. Pishenkov Offline
                        Pishenkov (Alexey) 10 October 2019 11: 27
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                        And anyone who does not understand this has no place in the Kremlin!

                        - Well, again ... well, well, let’s even say that you are right about all this ... But TO WHOM then is the place in the Kremlin? This is all the same question from the very beginning, the answer to which neither you, nor anyone with whom I had a similar discussion, gave ... IS AN ALTERNATIVE? And if not, then all these are just empty words ... Criticism in the style of Navalny is bad, it's bad, all down ... Criticism of something without providing a reasonable alternative is just idle talk and populism ...
                      3. Sapsan136 Offline
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 10 October 2019 22: 07
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                        There are 140 million people in Russia, do you think there are no smarter members of EP? In vain ... In general, it’s time to go with Yavlinsky home, to Lviv, along with other patriots and foreign citizens who have lost their way in the Russian Federation, as well as their immediate relatives! I’m talking about Yeltsin’s sons-in-law, whose wives and children (daughters and grandchildren of EBN are citizens of Austria and the USA) ... There’s no need to run and scream at every corner that they destroyed the USSR! Breaking does not build! What did you create ?! The fleet will soon finally slide to the level of Somali pirates, 6 new frigates for 5 fleets and Russian fleets in 20 years ... not a single new destroyer ... Is it a sea power or a gum club ?! Resignation definitely! Only the retirement age is enough to raise one’s mind, raise taxes on the people, but not on ones who are rich (which is one and a half percent), and flood the country with migrants who commit a lot of crimes in the Russian Federation and take Russian money abroad ... Anyone (except for Yavlinsky, Navalny and members of EP), who will come instead of Putin, will be at least no worse than him!
                      4. Pishenkov Offline
                        Pishenkov (Alexey) 10 October 2019 22: 56
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                        ... another batch of senseless chatter about what everyone knows without you ...

                        ... whoever comes instead of Putin will be at least no worse than him.

                        - but the last time I still ask ... And who? ... At least you have something specific? Or, again, Yeltsin’s son-in-law, Yavlinsky, Navalny ... But you are saying 100% the same thing that the same Navalny rubs the children - everything is bad, everything is bad, power is bad, power is resigned ... and that’s all. What or who instead? There is no answer ... Apparently, Navalny himself ... and he, in your opinion, turns out to be no worse than Putin, right?
                        And here I am, for example, in the history of my country, which I remember well, and this is the USSR from the 70s to the present day, I have never seen anyone better than Putin or even comparable to him. And in history, in general, can you compare Putin with anyone? Peter the Great, Bismarck, Lincoln, de Gaulle, Napoleon, Stalin - these are the dimensions of personality that only come to mind, because he is like that. And no one even remotely of a similar level is nearby. And in the country now, no. Whether you like it or not, it’s an objective reality ... I can agree with everything, but not with your quote above. The problem is that there is no one better than him at the moment, and even a comparable candidate does not exist. And change, just for the sake of change, to which you are calling, is stupidity, it just leads to what happened in 1991 and a decade later. Because it’s precisely on such slogans that “who will come instead ... will be at least no worse ...” and Yeltsins, Yavlinsky, Chubais and others like them come ... Do you want them? Are they "no worse"? Is Putin bad? Look back! To Putin! And there look where the fleet went, and how the money sailed abroad, and how the enterprises were privatized, and in general, where did the whole biggest and strongest country in the world go! Where did the whole social camp and the half-million troop group in Europe go, from which NATO’s knees were shaking! All this wind blew away. These are such silly and thoughtless changes, when everyone believed that everything, whatever changed, would be better ...
                        "... whoever comes instead ... will be, at least, no worse ..." So they got it ... Only someone started to lift the country from its knees, and again it’s healthy ... they need changes!
                        ... Was not all this shit enough for you? Do you want more? ...
                      5. Oleg Rambover Offline
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 11 October 2019 01: 02
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                        Quote: Pyshenkov
                        And in history, in general, can you compare Putin with anyone? Peter the Great, Bismarck, Lincoln, de Gaulle, Napoleon, Stalin - these are the dimensions of personality that only come to mind, because he is like that.

                        Ahhh ... With Bismarck? What has Putin done to put him on a par with these people? He led the country into a new stagnation, and as born in the 70s, you should know how the stagnation ends. All his achievements are the price of oil, which he could not influence in any way. Yes, the Russians have never lived so well in history as they did under him, and this can be credited to him that a relatively small part of the oil revenues settles in the pockets of his friends oligarchs. But Russia deserves more than to be a gas station in the West, into which it was converted precisely by GDP.
                        And yes, it was not the reformers that destroyed the USSR, but their predecessors.
                      6. Pishenkov Offline
                        Pishenkov (Alexey) 11 October 2019 09: 29
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                        Nonsense from beginning to end, but from you, in fact, nothing else can be expected ... negative
                      7. Oleg Rambover Offline
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 11 October 2019 11: 27
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                        Compare Putin with Stalin-this is nonsense. Are you one of those for whom Putin is, there is Russia, there is no Putin, there is no Russia? It is expected from you. He will leave soon, and what is Tryndets of Russia? The fact that the Russian Federation sits on an oil and gas needle is a medical fact that confirms the GDP itself, which almost every year from its 20-year reign says that it is time to get off this needle.

                  2. Sapsan136 Offline
                    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 11 October 2019 08: 07
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                    But is everything okay ?! The difference between those like me and Navalny is that Navalny wants to return to the Yeltsin era, which Putin has not gone too far, preferring to walk in circles around the Yeltsin swamp and hold Yeltsin’s brother-in-law in office, instead of decisively condemning Yeltsin and the company, and finally, to start building, and not boasting about the destruction of what was created in the USSR ... Well, if you think that in the 70s life was worse than now, then what to talk about with you ... Maybe specifically You are better today, but most are worse! And the social camp destroyed Gorbachev, whom Putin receives in Moscow as an honored guest, and Yeltsin, whom Medvedev erects monuments ... The fault of Chernomyrdin, who lobbied for the interests of Ukraine, was left without turbines for frigates and power plants instead of developing domestic production in Russia, and your Putin was named Chernomyrdin calls icebreakers ...
                  3. Pishenkov Offline
                    Pishenkov (Alexey) 11 October 2019 09: 27
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                    I did not say that everything is fine. I said that now it’s better than what happened after the collapse of the Union, and that the country is rising from its knees, and this is true. And the fact that things were worse in the 70s or 80s, I didn’t say either, you shouldn’t misinterpret the words, I said that there were no leaders better than Putin in my memory, and this is also true. To compare life in the USSR and now, in general, in my opinion, is already unrealistic. Then we wanted something that was not there - blue jeans, foreign cars, Japanese tape recorders, trips abroad, etc. Now it’s all available, but what we had then was not noticed and not appreciated - soul, confidence in the future, pride in the country and much more .... But this is a separate issue ...
                    And the difference between you and Navalny, in principle, isn’t - you shift from empty to empty and everything is the same again and again ... Try to learn to value what you have and be proud of it. But there is something. Otherwise, after another 20-25 years, you will again regret how good it was in 2019 and complain that the entire Russian fleet consists of river buses on the Khimki reservoir, and the Russian border is 200 km from the Moscow ring ...
                    Bad Putin? Do you need changes? ... This is where you will come with your changes.
                  4. Sapsan136 Offline
                    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 13 October 2019 01: 33
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                    In the USSR, a novice engineer received 120 rubles a month, and paid a communal apartment for one and a half rubles ... My mother worked all my life at the factory in two shifts, a pension of 11000 rubles, a communal apartment of 6000 rubles ... Is this a country getting up off its knees? For 30 years, the country has been sitting in the Yeltsin swamp, or walking along its banks, afraid to move away from them at the behest of Putin and company ... Be proud and continue empty talk on TV, if you like ...
                  5. Pishenkov Offline
                    Pishenkov (Alexey) 14 October 2019 10: 22
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                    ... this is the rising of the country from the tribes to which it fell after the collapse of the USSR. If you haven’t got it yet, then it’s very sorry. If Putin hadn’t come, then your mother, most likely, would have never had an apartment or a pension, this all went along the liberal path of development since 1991, and Russia, apparently, would no longer have such a country. Or it would be, on the scale described by me in the previous comment. Yes, we’ve got into the Yeltsin’s swamp, I agree here, but you understand that falling into a swamp is very quick and easy, but not drowning and getting out - oh, how hard it is. What Putin is doing is just trying to get the country out of this swamp, and this, yes, is difficult, and if you continue the analogy with the swamp, in the same way as you fell into it - clean, dry and with a briefcase - it’s unlikely to get out will come out, but the main thing is still to get out. And you and your own kind of imagine what? That someone waved a magic wand and returned everything in 1989? Will not come back. All. Forget it. I proceed from the fact that, compared with the abyss of the 90s, the country is now going up, and this is also an objective reality, and there is something to rejoice about here.
                    And you want changes, a new leadership, but the problem is that you yourself cannot answer the question - what kind of leadership should it be and what changes.
                    As for the USSR. I love this country, I was born and raised in it, received education, etc. But let's be objective - Well, the engineer or doctor received 120 rubles, the communal apartment at 1,50 (I don’t remember, but it was still small, it's true). BUT, did these engineers have the same apartments? For these same 120 rubles what could you buy at all? Jeans alone? Maybe a tape recorder? I’m silent about the car, etc. Yes, there were a lot of positive things.
                    - Vacations, camps, children are free, etc., but, apparently, something was missing for people, otherwise this beautiful country would not have collapsed. And here we come to the fact that those who controlled this country with 120 salaries and a low communal apartment were doing something clearly wrong. And now, not everything, as everyone would like, but ... you always need to compare with what it was before. This is what I do, and you dream of utopia ...
                    For some reason, you decided that someone “new” would come again and make you happy and raise your mother’s pension ... Well, well. We almost all also thought when the Gorbachev "perestroika" began - we’ll live. How it ended is known. For example, after walking a couple of years on these "rakes", I clearly realized that it’s not worth doing such experiments. You, apparently, are not enough. Want to try some more changes ... Well, the flag is in your hands ...
                  6. Sapsan136 Offline
                    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 15 October 2019 11: 29
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                    Putin is engaged in throwing between making the country good and avoiding offending Yeltsin’s and Chubais’s brother-in-law, and, as a result, I don’t thank the candle ... nor ... well, you understand me ... Nobody needs him like that and you will soon bored ... everyone has a limit of patience and trust ...
  • Sapsan136 Offline
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 10 October 2019 06: 01
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    As for territorial waters, countries such as Brazil, for example, have unilaterally declared them, and no one argues with this, there are no volunteers to fight with them over this. And Norway would not have jerked on the Russian Federation if Medvedev had not handed out the official seas ... not personally owned by him ...
  • Digital error Offline
    Digital error (Eugene) 9 October 2019 22: 21
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    ... then you don’t have to go to them to lead the Russian Federation.

    So it’s not them, but the people regularly ask for them - at every election.
    Even if not all go to the polls, well, the rest, as the youth say, is lilac, which means - rightly so.
    1. Sapsan136 Offline
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 10 October 2019 05: 16
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      Do not make me laugh. In the USA, all Kennedy are today generals and senators, and not because people like you in the USA (not you, of course, but US citizens like you) ask them and go to the polls, but because they are Kennedy, and you no ... I find it funny to explain this to an adult. Do you all believe in fairy tales ...
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        Digital error (Eugene) 10 October 2019 05: 25
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        Do you all believe in fairy tales ..

        It was sarcasm, if that. In general, to believe in fairy tales is the superpower of an adult, allowing him to stay in a good mood. smile
        1. Sapsan136 Offline
          Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 10 October 2019 05: 54
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          soldier Everyone saves his psyche as he knows how. If it’s easier for you, your right ... I also watch Soviet cartoons, and some western ones, from the 90s, help me get distracted ...
  • Digital error Offline
    Digital error (Eugene) 9 October 2019 22: 18
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    Have you given anything to Norway?

    Norway, if I’m not mistaken, Lenin gave Finland an independent (not counting tourists and sales market) from Russia - Finland. Which 20 years later behaved extremely ungratefully.
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      Pishenkov (Alexey) 10 October 2019 11: 22
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      ... there, for starters, the conversation was about who was given to Putin and Medvedev, and not Lenin ... As for the fact that Norway was given an independent neighbor, this is already ridiculous. laughing In this case, Yeltsin made everyone happy in 15 independent neighbors in Europe and Asia. Which, by the way, also after 20 years began to behave ungratefully, and that is characteristic, all as one ...
      And Lenin, he and his companions, he handed out more so that to stay in power ...
      1. Digital error Offline
        Digital error (Eugene) 10 October 2019 11: 43
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        Which, incidentally, also began to behave ungratefully after 20 years.

        That's it. The historical continuity that current leaders should keep in mind so as not to repeat mistakes.
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    Digital error (Eugene) 9 October 2019 22: 15
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    So already give away.

    And the "Soviet" debts. Nobody showed such unprecedented generosity to the Russian Federation in the 90s, and yes, messianism is in our blood, especially if not at the personal expense of patrons.
    1. Sapsan136 Offline
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 10 October 2019 05: 20
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      Yes, not with us, but with them ... I wouldn’t give a broken nail to foreigners from my country ... As Comrade Masherov said - I have my own people ... And these, in the Kremlin, forgot what country they live in and whose interests are obliged to protect ... All these Kyrgyzstan are not part of the Russian Federation and the Russian Federation should not and are not obliged to feed them at their own expense, to their own detriment. The Russian Federation has its own problems and there are many of them, and it would be high time for the Kremlin to deal with them and not solve the problems of foreign bays ... They are all so independent there that they must live at their own expense, and not at the expense of the Russian Federation!
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    gorenina91 (Irina) 9 October 2019 19: 44
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    - The Japanese know how to wait ... Why wait? And the fact that if something happened in Russia is not even a very long lasting mess (I'm not talking about the fact that someone like "bulk-Yavlinsky" will suddenly come to power) ... - not Maidan, but something like some sort of protracted Moscow rallies or mass rallies when a lot of money is urgently needed - to urgently organize an expensive and super spectacular championship; sports day; olympiad; film festival ... - and even all this at once together ... and at the same time ...
    -That ... now ... now ... this is where Japan can come in handy ... both with its "quick money", and with technical equipment, and with super modern communications, and with a passenger and special Passenger transport, and with construction equipment, etc ... etc ...
    - Well .., and with "their territorial requirements" ... for the services provided ...
    - During the war of 1904-1905. Japan easily managed and financed the riots in Russia ...
    - And today does not lose hope to wait for the same ... - And she has real chances ... - Alas ...
  • Sergey Latyshev Offline
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 10 October 2019 09: 15
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    So this is the elite. They simply cannot amicably agree - other oligarchs and politicians will devour them.
    Therefore, lie, puff and promise, lie, puff and promise ...
    According to their authorities, we see every day ....