Ukraine rallies against "Steinmeier formula"

October 6 2019 11

We recently reported how in Russia appreciated the signing by Ukraine of the "Steinmeier formula" in the Donbass, and from Kiev statedthat we are ready to agree with Moscow a law on the special status of the region. And now, already in more than twenty Ukrainian cities, rallies of "patriots" were held, opposing the "Steinmeier formula". This was reported by the direct channel, belonging to the militant "tomososets" and the former "father of the nation", Petro Poroshenko.

According to the most optimistic assurances of Direct, 10 thousand “patriots” gathered in Kiev. The presence of such a number of "worried" is understandable - there are money in the capital. For example, the asset of "patriots" in Kharkov does not exceed 500 individuals. In Odessa, there are no more than 300 of them, and most of them are representatives of the “racially correct” regions who have arrived during the five-year period. In Nikolaev, Uzhgorod, Kherson, Mariupol (with the exception of "Azov" and the Marines), they are generally reckoned by several dozen well-known individuals. In Rivne, Ternopil, Lviv, Khmelnitsky, Ivano-Frankivsk, Dnipro (Dnepropetrovsk) and Kropyvnytskyi (Kirovograd) there are hundreds of them, all the rest are earning. And none of them is in a hurry to defend the “independent” from the “aggressor” to the front.

That is, the entire real asset of the "party of war", capable of going out into the street, does not exceed 15 thousand for the whole multi-million Ukraine. However, the results of frank "Nazis" in the last parliamentary elections speak for themselves. They took 11th place. They were even overtaken by the party of Anatoly Sharia, which actually existed only on YouTube, as, in fact, the party “Servant of the People” of the President of Ukraine, Vladimir Zelensky.

Now all this “patriotic” audience is actively writing complaints and appeals to regional, city and other local councils so that deputies urgently get together and adopt condemning Zelensky resolutions. In this regard, we will be following with undisguised interest the further development of events.

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Valentine

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6 October 2019 19: 11

These "500 individuals from Kharkov", and 300 from Odessa, and those who "do not exceed 15 thousand people," and brought 40 million Ukrainians to their knees, brought the country to a civil war, to the ruin of the economy and all the "delights" this action. And those who did this do not need seats either in parliament or in the presidential administration. They need Great, United and Indivisible Galicia. They are motivated to do this from an early age, they hate Russia fiercely, and everything that relates to it. And oppose them only lisping, and waiting, maybe it will dissolve by itself - it will not dissolve, but only their fierceness will intensify, but coupled with the fact that now the population has at least a million hidden combat barrels, machine guns, machine guns and grenade launchers, and this according to the latest data from the Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs, it smells of a full-fledged civil war throughout Ukraine, and the Nazis will agree to this, and there can be no doubt about it.
Bakht

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6 October 2019 20: 03

This is not the first time I've read that

from Kiev said they were ready to agree with Moscow a law on the special status of the region.

Or I don’t understand something, or in Kiev they turn on the fool again. And I do not understand the position of Moscow. The special status of Donbass should be agreed with the Donbass. And Moscow has nothing to do with it. Repeating the mantra that Kiev will coordinate something with Moscow is a direct betrayal of Donbass. The response of the Russian Foreign Ministry should be unambiguous. Kiev needs to negotiate with Donetsk and Lugansk. And no other way.
Therefore, I attribute this news to negative.
1. Valentine
  
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  6 October 2019 20: 43
  
  And Kiev included a fool even under the USSR, living at its expense, and after "independence" - even more so. Steinmeier's plan is a continuation of the soap opera Minsk 2, and nothing more. They will still chat about everything, and nothing, and we will supply them with gas, oil, electricity, etc. for this, and they will kill and maim people in Donbass ... And Zelensky is a simple human, he trembles for his life, and the life of his family - he is not Salvador Allende, although he could have transplanted all the most odious Ukrobanderovites into "black funnels" in one night, but he has little guts for that. And remember how the Natsiks themselves arranged a "night of crystal knives" in Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk after the coup - they caught all the "dissenters" in a day, some in dungeons, some in a cemetery, and nothing, now they are heroes of Ukraine ... but now the situation is in Ukraine, it is very tense, and the descendants of Bandera will not surrender so easily, all that remains is to wait, tires are brought in there again and tents are being set up, and Poroshenko finances it.
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    6 October 2019 20: 55
    
    At one time I wrote that 10 thousand protesters in Moscow for 15 million people - this is a lot. They objected to me. Now it turns out that 15 thousand Natsiks for 40 million Ukraine is a lot.
    The problem is that the "servant of the people" cannot put them in the funnels. He has no resource for this. To whom can he give the order and who will carry it out? Police? Army?
    What is the administrative (repressive) resource of the president of Ukraine?
    1. Valentine
      
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      6 October 2019 21: 33
      
      This is how the "nenka" will sail on the nationalist wave until it turns, with the help of our western "partners", into the "fourth Reich", like Germany after the Weimar Republic, and they will do this only in order to increase their living space due to its previously stated claims to the entire south-west of Russia, and it may just be a battering ram to start a war of the "collective West" with us ... And only we will have to solve its issue, sooner or later, and only surgically , and no wall can be fenced off from it ... In 2014, they did not want to "with little blood", and now it will cost much more .... And about Zelensky's "resource" I wrote to you that he has a "thin gut", how and ours, in relation to home-grown liberals, who arrange their swamp sabbaths in Russia.
      1. Bakht
        
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        6 October 2019 21: 48
        
        The difference between Germany and Ukraine is that Hitler never set himself the goal of de-industrializing the country. The "great agrarian country" will not be able to rise to the level of seizure of any territories. So that. it remains the dreams of Ukrainian-style Natsiks.
        
        The issue of Russia's intervention in the Ukrainian crisis is a rather delicate and complex thing. I have always been opposed to dividing Ukraine. The division of Ukraine is the geopolitical defeat of Russia. Russia needs an independent, sovereign, united Ukraine. Not even necessarily friendly. But it is necessarily non-aligned. And even EU membership is not a problem. In the end, Russia itself seeks the EU. Whether this is necessary or not is another matter. Most likely - not necessary. But that is a different topic.
        
        The problem is that the train left not in 2014, but much earlier. I have already written many times that according to the laws of sociology - 20-25 years - this is a generational change. For 25 years, a generation has changed in Ukraine. They raised Russophobia. Today's Ukraine is not Ukraine since the USSR. This is a hostile state. Therefore, Kiev and Donetsk will never agree. They have no common ground. Neither historical, nor political, nor linguistic (the latter is a very important point).
        
        The role of Russia? Russian support in the South-East of Ukraine. Economic and military. Non-intervention and any actions leading to the weakening of central authority in Kiev. Political and economic. And no agreement with Kiev on the issue of special status. This is an internal affair of Ukraine.
        
        Valentine
        
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        7 October 2019 11: 42
        
        20-25 years is a generational change.
        
        ... Here you, in this case, are a little wrong - take into account those fools who were 10-15 years old before the "independence" of Ukraine, and add almost 30 years of "independence" - here you will have two full-fledged generations brought up on the Nazi-Bandera ideology, and ready to give birth to their own kind. But about the role of Russia in this conflict - America, even with the slightest opposition to them, plowed the recalcitrant lands thousands of miles away with Tomahawks, and nothing, the whole world silently swallowed, and we ... or the cowardice of the authorities - as if something it didn't work out, or "business" and deposits "in the local banks, only here you begin to doubt the slogan" Russians don't give up their own ", and if with Steinmeier" again nothing will work out, and we will again express "concerns" , instead of recognizing the LDNR, then it will simply be a shame for Russia in the eyes of its people.
        
        Bakht
        
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        7 October 2019 15: 08
        
        I don’t argue about generations. 25 years is the age of childbearing. Maybe two generations. I just want to say that the former "fraternal" Ukraine has long been gone. Countries are changing. Does anyone doubt that Germany in 1941 and Germany in 1961 are two different countries? In 1968, Martin Luther King was killed, and in 2008 (40 years old) Barack Obama was elected president. America of the 60s and America of the XNUMXs are two different states. "Bratsk" Ukraine is long gone. This fact must be admitted. There is a hostile state Ukraine.
        
        As for the Tomahawks, I have little doubts. The whole history of America suggests that it fights only with guaranteed success. "To plow" Tomahawks even Syria is now not very successful. Of course, there is a non-zero chance of conflict. But only on condition that the war is limited to the European continent.
        
        Reformatting Ukraine into a neutral state is possible only from Donbass and only by Ukrainian citizens of Russian origin. With the implicit support of the "North Wind". And the opinion of the "enlightened West" should not worry the grimy tankers from Donetsk. I have already cited an anecdote.
        
        On Khreshchatyk near the T-90 there are two grimy tankmen and one says to the other: "It's a pity that we lost the information war!"
        
        Therefore, the recognition of LDNR is not necessary. It is necessary to help tankers reach Khreshchatyk.
        
        Valentine
        
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        7 October 2019 17: 01
        
        Your last proposal is the maximum program, and I am “for” with both hands, but .... we don’t have such “guarantors” who are able to decide on this, and we can only see all this from the height of our sofa and Internet news, and in the General Staff and SVR we are far from stupid, and everything is calculated and measured there, right down to the transformer box. The main thing is to transfer the whole of Galicia to the Poles as a "friendly gift" within its four regions, and they will teach them to love the "womb Boska", as they did 4-5 hundred years ago.
        
        Bakht
        
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        7 October 2019 19: 34
        
        I know that I am a couch strategist. But in this case (geopolitics), I don’t think that the big uncles in the Kremlin know more than mine. Yes, they know the momentary situation there better. But the general rules of geopolitics do not change and are known.
        
        England has no permanent allies and opponents. England has permanent interests.
        
        There is no political will in the Kremlin - that’s right. But this is the worst symptom. Where is the guarantee that this same political will will manifest itself in a more radical situation? Recent history is often replete with examples when strong armies surrendered due to the lack of will of the political leadership. And the country came full of furry animals.
BoBot Robot - Free Thinking Machine

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6 October 2019 23: 02

It is necessary to serve a prayer service, and so that even all Jews go without hats and all the time bom, bom, bom!