US base in Kazakhstan: Russia may deprive Astana of the Caspian coast

April 28 2018 29

A possible US military base in the Caspian Sea and Maidan in Armenia are links of one chain. It seems that the States are preparing for war with Iran and are trying to impose it on all sides, even from the side of the former Soviet Union, to the collapse of which they have made a lot of efforts. What can come of all this?

From the point of view of the Russian layman, Kazakhstan has long been trying to get out of the orbit of Russia's influence. This is a transition to the Latin alphabet in order to break the connection of the young generation with those who still remember the Soviet Union, and a “soft” attack on the Russian language, and the conclusion of treaties with the United States that are undesirable for Russia, which have already openly declared Russia a new “cold war”. And here, at least, the desire of military cooperation of the CSTO member country with a potential adversary of the entire CSTO looks rather strange. And it is entirely possible that the result of such cooperation could be a cooling of the current relations between Russia and Kazakhstan.

Why such pessimistic forecasts? Yes, because if a military conflict starts between the US and Iran, Kazakhstan can be drawn into this conflict, just like Armenia. And if this conflict begins, it will not be a six-day war, but much more extended in time and space. There will be several players in this conflict. From the US, Saudi Arabia and Israel will catch up. It is incomprehensible until the role of a member of NATO - Turkey is here. But judging by Turkey’s approval of NATO’s attacks on Syria, it’s not entirely pro-Russian. Kazakhstan has been working closely with Turkey recently, and will have to choose with whom is it?

In the event of joining the American alliance, or even with the neutral status of Kazakhstan in a military conflict with Iran, with the end of the conflict favorable for Iran and Russia, and here China may take the side of Iran and Russia, Kazakhstan may lose its Caspian coast. Russia has always punished those who tried to insert a knife in her back by weaning the strategically important territories of these countries (so that there would be no more temptations). Why, then, will Kazakhstan be an exception? Probably, Iran will only welcome such a decision, since it will be much easier to agree with Russia than with Kazakhstan, which Turkey has a strong influence. Therefore, Nazarbayev, or his successor, should consider his decision on military cooperation with the United States more than once.

Kazakhstan, of course, was taken into development by the typical "gangster" trick - first it froze its accounts by $ 22 billion, or 40% of the Future Generations Fund, which the Kazakh government replenishes with oil export revenues and uses it to support the national currency and economics generally. The money was in the accounts of Bank of New York Mellon. And then, probably, they promised to solve everything in the best way, if Kazakhstan is a good partner and starts behaving correctly.

The United States has extensive experience working with Muslim leaders. At first they supported Saddam Hussein, then they promised support to the Libyan and Egyptian leaders, but as a result they threw all pretty rudely. And why are the Kazakh leaders here an exception? And China will be dissatisfied with the US strengthening with the help of Kazakhstan in the center of the continent.

By the way, can it be high time to create a Strategic Continental Union (SCS), which will include the states of Eurasia, and which are not indifferent to the fate of this continent? It can be seen that the European countries of NATO take the future of Eurasia somewhat frivolously, allowing and helping the United States to deploy its military bases and arrange armed conflicts on this continent.
And it is more beneficial for Kazakhstan to be a member of just such a Union, and not NATO and the USA, so as not to hear later - “Well, son, did your Poles help you?”

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Anchonsha

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April 28 2018 09: 14

It is necessary to teach, not to indulge, then to regret what could have been warned. If the Kazakhs themselves are not able to understand that they are a toy in the hands of the United States. Turkey. If you want to live normally, behave openly and in good neighborly relations with neighboring countries. If a war breaks out, then the Kazakhs will be the first to burn from Iran’s weapons
Playerman

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April 28 2018 11: 22

Article delirium and speculation
1. A.Lex
  
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  April 28 2018 13: 29
  
  Zhenya, why is it nonsense? Isn't that possible? Please explain if it’s not difficult for you.
  1. Bulanov
    
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    April 28 2018 15: 15
    
    5 years ago, the civil war in Ukraine was also considered nonsense. Sometimes look beyond one or two moves!
    1. Sergey Trofimov
      
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      1 May 2018 00: 39
      
      Ha, funny. The civil war in Ukraine, with our citizens and with our military. An interesting civil war ...
      1. Alexndr p
        
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        3 May 2018 16: 24
        
        Ha, funny. The civil war in Ukraine, with our citizens and with our military. An interesting civil war ...
        
        and what kind of military are ours there? Part numbers can? Maybe specific facts? Maybe he saw it? Maybe I didn’t notice how the army aviation of the Russian Federation works out by noisiness? Maybe I didn’t notice how tank companies force the border? Or maybe you are a little aunt? And then I live in a military town - but about the war with Ukraine I only read on the Internet
        
        An interesting civil war ...
        
        only a person who is insane can argue with the assertion that a civil war is going on in Ukraine.
        
        Well, the fact that the Sumerians think that they are at war with Russia is not news. It is necessary to hang flags over nicknames all the same.
        
        PS 4 years there was a war between Russia and Ukraine - the victory is still as far away as 4 years ago. Yes?
        
        master3
        
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        4 May 2018 10: 59
        
        unit numbers, leadership surnames, prisoners of war Russian military (from whom Russia is disowning), the Wagner group (who are "volunteers"), Russian weapons on the territory of the LPR, DPR - all this is known all over the world except Russia (there was an exhibition on the square in Kiev Russian equipment captured in the DPR ranging from "Bumblebees" mines MON and up to T-72). And why? And because "we are not there" said the GDP and why then think and strain your brains.
        Why did VVP classified information about those killed in the exercises of the Russian military? Because the number of corpses is already hard to hide. Read the site of "Soldiers' Mothers of Russia" or rather their VK page (they have not yet closed) there you can find a lot of interesting things about this.
        
        Alexndr p
        
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        7 May 2018 11: 11
        
        Read the site of "Soldiers' Mothers of Russia"
        
        I'll tell you where to go now. Read your sheets of soldiers' mothers yourself, obviously your topic.
        For me, such resources are bad manners. Western desk for people like you.
  2. Nick
    
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    April 30 2018 09: 01
    
    Quote: A.Lex
    Zhenya, why is it nonsense? Isn't that possible? Please explain if it’s not difficult for you.
    
    And what is there to explain? Already all the delirium and speculation have occurred. The flock simply states the facts, and the Author calculates the possible actions of Russia, China and other "interested countries" on the actions of Kazakhstan and the United States
master2

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April 28 2018 13: 50

Russia has long been left alone - in isolation, there are no allies. There is also Belarus and is still receiving cheap gas and oil. What they wanted and got - there were only "enemies" around.
1. Bulanov
  
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  April 28 2018 15: 24
  
  To know how to live life wisely, it is necessary to know a lot,
  Two important rules to remember for a start:
  You better starve, than what horrible there is,
  And it's better to be alone than with anyone.
  Omar Khayyam
2. Nick
  
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  April 30 2018 09: 11
  
  Quote: master2
  Russia has long been left alone - in isolation, there are no allies.
  
  No one has allies. There are fellow travelers. And at the expense of isolation ... Something through this isolation penetrates our weapons, oil, gas, grain and all at world prices. And even iPhones, foreign cars, and even Siemens’s turbines don’t deliver Martians to us. Putin is clearly right, our opponents lack insulating tape.
  That's it!
  1. Sergey Trofimov
    
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    1 May 2018 00: 48
    
    Yes, and in the Donbass they are not there, and in Syria? and cargo 200 is coming ...
    1. Alexndr p
      
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      3 May 2018 16: 29
      
      Yes, and in the Donbass they are not there, and in Syria? and cargo 200 is coming ...
      
      I missed the moment when it became a lie for the norm and for such things they don’t kick like a dog. Something in the world is going wrong.
3. Alexndr p
  
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  3 May 2018 16: 28
  
  Russia has long been left alone - in isolation, there are no allies.
  
  here is a forum of dreamers and dreamers or what? Tell me about isolation.
  1. sbarm
    
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    14 July 2018 17: 14
    
    And you look at the map, on the borders of the Russian Federation and find at least one friendly country bordering you, China, as you already know on the maps of its General Staff, half of the Russian Federation has been designated as territory temporarily under occupation, because the great Dragon observes only its interests, and then you He uses toilet paper, they are a very pragmatic nation. Belorussia can !? But no, they don’t want to be in the Russian Federation, they want to become part of Poland and the Baltic states, there are DNR and LC with South Ossetia, but all three are not recognized, there was FRIEND Kazakhstan, but you merged it yourself, and don’t say that we are leaving, no, you sold us! When did the Americans freeze the capital of our country, where was Russia ????? The Russian Federation merged, our hut from the edge I don’t know anything! It was necessary to think of the only faithful ally sold to the Americans. And now you’re bringing something there! You washed yourself and there is no one to blame for this!
gorenina91

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April 28 2018 17: 50

-The author of the article is simply wishful thinking ... -Kazakhstan has long really fallen under the influence of the United States and China ... -And for these "two halves" of Kazakhstan, Russia's opinion has ceased to be significant ...
-Americans can easily (for good money) offer Kazakhstan to join NATO ... and Kazakhstan can deploy its "big game" ... "... -which of them will lay out more funds ... -so and blackmail periodically ...
-Something similar has long been started by Lukashenko with Russia ... -and Russia periodically provides money, gas and oil to Belarus ... -and this has become the norm ...
1. Nick
  
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  April 30 2018 09: 19
  
  Quote: gorenina91
  -Americans can easily (for good money) offer Kazakhstan to join NATO ... and Kazakhstan can develop its "big game" ... -propose to China (which is clearly against Kazakhstan's joining NATO) to fork out on the subject of "joining or not joining "... -which of them will lay out more funds ... -so and blackmail periodically.
  
  It is cheaper for China to negotiate with Russia and divide the territory of Kazakhstan. There is a reason. And the United States does not even jerk here. It’s far away for them to drag their army here. And on the way, anything can happen to this army. The sea is a dangerous, aggressive environment.
shirkoled

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April 28 2018 18: 00

It is necessary to punish the Kazakhs, very strictly punish !!! According to the law of war !!! Americans declared war on RUSSIA, therefore, who is not with us is against us !!!
1. sbarm
  
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  14 July 2018 16: 14
  
  I would like to know how Kazakhstan was going to divide !? Firstly, present China will never encroach on the state integrity of a neighboring state; if they could, 3-4 regions would remain from the Russian Federation, because they are pulling it on the territory of the Russian Federation, and secondly, the Russian Federation cannot cope even with two regions of Ukraine and a handful of terrorists in Syria, on the issue of removal from the US, then Afghanistan is farther than Kazakhstan! Now about the political situation, if the KZ leaves the union treaty, the Collective Security Treaty Organization, the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, the Eurasian Economic Community will crumble because it really rests on two countries of the Russian Federation and the Kyrgyz Republic, plus Caspian Kazakhstani oil that does not have paraffin like the Russian URALS for 70 will cease to flow into the oil pipelines % of polluted, respectively, the quality of Russian oil will drop three times so without mixing with Kazakhstan paraffin-free oil the value of URALS will depreciate, the United States is now specifically concerned about the impact on KZ, these are the energy resources that will give it lingering all over Asia, the Russian Federation is losing control, Kazakhstan is not Ukraine for you, Kazakhs clearly understand what they want and how to achieve this, which is why we have no problems with terrorism, we solve them at the root, although we are at the epicenter of the influence of Islamic terrorists, KZ has influence on all Central Asian republics, thanks to the Kazakhs, you still have this influence. Do not forget the history, Kazakhstan is the territory of Ulus Juchi (Golden Horde) that influenced Russia for 300 years, it was in these 300 years that Russia understood what slavery is, Ivan the Terrible wrote petition to the khan and called himself a slave khan and dust on his boots. Now Kazakhstan can really end the isolation of the Russian Federation by accepting the US proposal, because Russia will not be available to the Middle East, start selling its net oil more expensive to China, while under the agreement with the Russian Federation these deliveries amounted to only 20%. To help the United States settle in Central Asia and completely block the Russian Federation, because we do not need your gas and oil like Belarus or Ukraine, we have a lot of ours.
  1. Makar.M
    
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    3 October 2019 10: 02
    
    The whole trick in your "deepest" reasoning is "Abroad will help us." But you are not Ostap Bender, for that you are stupid. Ostap Bender is here in the USA, which hangs noodles on your ears. "Abroad will help you." Fig she will help you. It will help that you will again become nomads in your Golden Horde.
2. sbarm
  
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  14 July 2018 16: 39
  
  You have nobody except Serbia with you, you cannot use nuclear weapons, you don’t have modern nuclear weapons, all Soviet developments came to the USA, you passed them to them yourself, the Russian Federation is still a raw materials appendage, and do not argue that you’re not producing anything, only sell resources, whom can you punish !? Kazakhstan is absolutely autonomous from the Russian Federation, we have been preparing for this for the last 30 years, you can’t even deliver chickens to us, we have long abandoned them, and you are buying grain and meat from us, without which you interfere with our clean pipeline, your they’ll buy for a pittance, yours is 70% contaminated, and of ours you can immediately make top quality kerosene. Azerbaijan built the gas pipeline, if the Kazakhs join it and throw off cheap gas through Turkey to Europe, who will need you !? While we are allies, but when you read your statements you understand, it is time to end this friendship. We are not afraid of the United States. You cannot buy us pies from Nuland; we know for sure how to cooperate while remaining independent. And the Russian Federation is dependent on everything and everyone, on China, on energy prices, other natural resources, etc. You have nothing to do with us as Ukrainians, we already have almost no Russians, it will not work to protect Russian-speaking people on our territory, we no longer have a second state language, there is nothing of yours so that you can protect, we got rid of you, so that someone you must have the right to punish it, you have no rights, you would sort it out in your own country, but no you’re trying to climb into strangers, well, it’s easier for us to make a woman with a cart. By definition, we cannot betray you, there is nobody to betray. We were once one country, but it is no longer there. Nazarbayev was trying to maintain friendship, Putin himself told the SCO, CSTO, Eurasian Economic Community Nazarbayev everything was suggested by Nazarbayev, while you followed us, everything was fine, but the GDP itself decided that it would cope with Ukraine and immediately fell into cabbage soup and now you’re sitting in Minsk trying to resolve climbed into Syria, we have to tackle here in Astana, you yourself cannot agree with the Islamists, you are not Muslims, so we solve your problems, why do we need it !? Why should Belarusians decide for you !? You’ve gotten it yourself, decide for yourself! The question is, why did you surrender to us !? Now the world is undergoing a new geopolitical evolution, and as obsolete as Russia will disappear as unnecessary, as a rudimentary organ.
commbatant

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April 29 2018 18: 26
Kazakhstan may lose its Caspian coast. Russia has always punished those who tried to insert a knife in her back, weaning strategically important territories of these countries (so that there are no more temptations). Why, then, will Kazakhstan be an exception?

The key part of the article, the Russian Federation will take / return back (by creating "buffer" republics) the coast of Kazakhstan and its entire North (Russian-speaking), the rest will be taken by the PRC, Turkey will not help ...

It is incomprehensible until the role of a member of NATO - Turkey is here.

The question of preserving the eastern lands within Turkey is in question ....

BV map for Petersen
1. sbarm
  
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  14 July 2018 17: 40
  
  Who told you that the Russian-speaking north ??? Nazarbayev returned the Kazakhs from Mongolia and China 15 years ago and gave them Russian housing, we were evicted from Russia 20 years ago, you were late for some information))) And who the hell would give something up, take a bite, I wanted the coast ))) You forgot that your coast of the Caspian is ours, it’s easy to raise it, that the Russian native Kazakh lands were appropriated by Astrakhan, Orenburg, Siberia, Then ask the world community for help in returning, sue Russia everywhere and start returning territories. Believe the Russian Federation on an open confrontation, even if it wants to, it cannot go, your maximum is the ATS and the Central African Republic! After all, it is Kazakhstan that is registered by you within your borders, you yourself tried, now we are a member of the UN, try the throne! ))) Kazakhs will not sit like Ukrainians, we’ll give you a specific life, cut you off from part of China on our territory, put gas and oil through the pipeline through Azerbaijan and Turkey, specifically dropping LNG prices, we will dump China in huge in quantities of dumping, we have the entire periodic table, we have our own uranium and technologies and equipment for the production of nuclear weapons in the Kurchatov nuclear center in Semipalatinsk, we have Baikonur, tank plants that can be diversified and build ballistic missiles of the type SS-20, thanks to the USSR, we are not Ukrainians, we won’t boast from scratch, it’s the USSR that left us all the missile technology, and the Russian Federation still helps us to develop, it’s the USSR, Stalin and Beria and Kurchatov worked in our Semipalatinsk on nuclear weapons and left us the technology and equipment for production. We do not need to buy Uranus or Plutonium. we have it for production on an industrial scale, we have the Irtysh chemical-technological for processing, we have our own titanium, gold, everything is there, we are self-sufficient. Thanks to the USSR, we have technology equipment for the processing of uranium and the construction of delivery vehicles. We don’t even need to build launch mines if we forgot 35% of the launchers were on our territory, and it was the GDP that provided us with the latest air defense systems, aviation, artillery, and we build tanks ourselves. Yes, ah, you forgot that you conduct all test missile launches, testing and debugging in Saryozek, we take over all this, we are very pragmatic!
A.Lex

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April 29 2018 21: 49

That is why the people and in surprise - what is happening in our country and our neighbors? Why are our rulers so allowing our neighbors to behave so Russophobically (in the sense of not words, but in the sense of actions)? What's the matter? Or do we not know something? People want to know - why, what and how?
1. commbatant
  
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  April 30 2018 14: 10
  
  You are surprised, everything is clear to the rest, once the RSFSR survived thanks to the collapse of the USSR (saving its economy from the "breadwinners" - by the number of republics), now, thanks to Russophobic speeches in the former republics of the Union of the Russian Federation, it will take back all its lands, which, once inherited from the RI / USSR / RF "breadwinners", but the RF will not be alone in this, many neighbors of the former Central Asian republics of the Union, will find something to "return" to themselves, incl. from Kazakhstan ....
  Neither NATO, nor Turkey separately, will be able to do anything with the PLA, and the Russian Federation, having taken northern Kazakhstan and part of the coast of Kazakhstan, will react with understanding to the actions of the PRC and its "silk road" ...
  China will not give a damn what the writing will be of its vassals - Kazakhs, based on the Latin or Cyrillic alphabet, gee ....
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2. sbarm
  
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  14 July 2018 16: 48
  
  You cannot allow us or not, you have been our slaves for 300 years, we have independently entered the Russian Empire, no one has conquered us, then we, as allies, supported the Russians after the revolution and after the collapse of the USSR, but you are not grateful, here is the result , you support modes, not allies. you just forget the lessons of history, Kazakhstan is a former Ulus of Jochi, i.e. The Golden Horde, it was the Kazakhs who enslaved you for 300 years, and not the Mongols. The Mongols were a small group, the basis of the horde was Kazakhs, therefore the Horde language was Turkic, it was your princes who went to us for the Labels to the board, we allowed you to live or die, you forgot, we will remind you nothing!
  1. Makar.M
    
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    3 October 2019 13: 54
    
    From your golden horde there was only dust on our shoes.
Areg babadjanyan

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24 June 2018 00: 53

After the words of Maidan in Armenia, it became clear that the author sucks information from his own fingers, and maybe not only from his own. There is no pro-Western Maidan in Yerevan and there was none. Any pro-Western opposition in Armenia traditionally fails.