"Turkish Stream" still found a way to Europe

They say you can’t enter the same river twice. But Gazprom will try. The Russian gas company is once again ready to contact Bulgaria, through whose efforts South Stream was buried five years ago. Will this decision of the “national treasure” be a second jump on the old rake?




The South Stream gas pipeline was started long before the Maidan. Even then, the Kremlin “suspected something” and wanted to diversify supplies in order to reduce critical dependence on Kiev. Up to 63 billion cubic meters of gas were to be pumped annually through the Bulgarian Varna along the bottom of the Black Sea. The project cost was estimated at 16 billion euros.

The benefit of Bulgaria was obvious. Sofia not only provided itself with guaranteed supplies of “blue fuel”, but also received a good profit from transit. However, local authorities began to behave "in Ukrainian", that is, to act to the detriment of themselves. The construction process was constantly delayed. After a meeting with US representatives, the Bulgarian government in 2014 suspended all work "until the comments of the European Commission are eliminated."

This was the last straw in Moscow’s patience, and the South Stream was curtailed in favor of the Turkish Stream. Now our new “best friend” is Turkey, but even that is not all right. On the one hand, Ankara proved that it is capable, unlike Sofia, of defending its national interests even in the confrontation with Washington. On the other hand, Turkey intends to squeeze everything out of its transit position by knocking out maximum discounts from Gazprom for its domestic market.

Unfortunately, things are not limited to Turkey; it was necessary to choose a transit country for the subsequent laying of the pipeline to Europe. And then the choice again falls on Bulgaria, and, the performer selected another "great friend" of Russia, Saudi Arabia. Head of Government Boyko Borisov said:

While some of us asked about relations with our neighbors, with Russia, with Saudi Arabia, an agreement was signed today. 90% of the pipes for the Balkan Stream have already been delivered to Bulgaria from Russia, and tomorrow we will begin to deliver them along the highway, financing has been secured.


Instead of the “South Stream” through the territory of Bulgaria, the “Balkan” will go, already of lesser capacity and poorer conditions than it was in 2014. Is this a wise decision?

For cooperation are arguments such as the "Slavic brotherhood" and our common history. If you look at modern Russian-Ukrainian relations, the arguments are so-so. Against the arguments more.

At first, Bulgaria - a member of NATO (like Turkey, by the way), a military bloc of anti-Russian orientation.

Secondly, the course towards revising Sofia’s ideas about the history of the Second World War is clearly marked, and this is a matter of principle. More recently, the Bulgarian authorities called the "dubious" thesis about the "liberation of Europe by the Soviet Union."

Thirdly, in Sofia, at the helm there are exactly the same people who closed not only South Stream, but also the Belene NPP construction project, as well as the promising Burgas-Alexandroupolis oil pipeline to the detriment of their own country.

Where are the guarantees that the next American will not arrive at the start of the pipeline political landing, and the gimp will not start again? Now, instead of Ukraine alone, for the sake of gas transit, we have made a whole bunch of new friends - Bulgaria, Turkey, Saudi Arabia - with any of whom hardly anyone voluntarily "went into reconnaissance."
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  1. Joe Cook Offline
    Joe Cook (Joe Cook) 19 September 2019 15: 45
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    If once an Indian fools a pale-faced, then the Indian has a radish. If the Indian for the second time deceives the pale-faced, then the pale-faced radish himself.

    Ancient American saying.
  2. gorenina91 Offline
    gorenina91 (Irina) 19 September 2019 17: 39
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    -What is there to discuss?
    - Everything has already been spoken and negotiated ... and personally by me ...
    -Gazprom Russia itself, for its own money and ..., now in a monstrous "receivables" to its own Russian people, which the people as always will forgive and shoulder on their "taxpayers shoulders" and will repay all this from their own resources .. .--- I got into even more adventurous and costly business ...
    -Do you think ...- Well, new hospitals with the necessary modern medical equipment will not be built; well, the education system will not receive new upscale educational institutions; well, tens of thousands of small Russian towns where people live in wreckage and have been waiting for new housing for decades ... - and says goodbye to their dream of a new well-being; well, pensioners will remain at their minimum ... to live out their lives; Well, ... Well, ... Well .., ... and so on and so on .. -Total and business something ...
    -Well, in short ... I’ll just repeat it again ...:
    -Russia, by Gazprom’s efforts, simply got into another trap, a trap, a trap ...- this is what you call anyone ... -I personally wrote about this many times ... -One trap already exists is a trap in Western Europe, and it will be a "Turkish trap" ...
    -And in the east of Russia, the "Chinese" is already ready ... -And all these "traps" ... are the "home-made" products of our Gazprom ... -Sorry ...
    1. Badger Offline
      Badger (Dmitriy) 21 September 2019 10: 46
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      You did not push at the Swamp speech, it seems to me that you will be welcomed there. Where did you get such nonsense?
  3. Pishenkov Offline
    Pishenkov (Alexey) 19 September 2019 17: 45
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    Where are the guarantees that the next American political landing will not arrive in Sofia before the start of the pipeline’s work, and the gimmick will not start again?

    ... there are no such guntions. And, as it turns out, after the events surrounding OPAL there are none of them anywhere, and, apparently, will not be anymore ... That is, you have to trade gas under the new conditions. By the way, the states through which the Nord Stream flows are also NATO members and all, as one, are far from our friends ... And in these very “new” conditions, in my opinion, Russia should think about its pride in the position of a "reliable supplier" in any conditions. Somehow it doesn’t really help in business anymore. And the partners, as you can see, do not differ in reliability. It’s time to act on the principle of a house manager from a famous movie:



    ... let them freeze, maybe they will grow wiser. In the right amount and quickly anyway, they have nowhere to take it for now, and this should be used. You can’t do everything according to the rules, in boxing gloves against brass knuckles and pistols ...
    1. Savigne Offline
      Savigne 19 September 2019 22: 14
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      ..Let freeze, maybe wiser. In the right amount and quickly anyway, they have nowhere to take it for now,

      It feels like you're stuck somewhere at the end of the last century.
      Fully now in Europe cheap gas. So they hacked South Stream, and North Stream 2, too, seems to be hacked. They don’t need Gazprom’s gas. Expensive.
      It seems that Gazprom will have to sell gas at a loss to maintain its position in Europe. Guess who pays the difference?
      1. Pishenkov Offline
        Pishenkov (Alexey) 19 September 2019 22: 27
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        Full now in Europe cheap gas

        Yes you? And where, if not a secret? You tell this to the Slovaks, who a couple of years ago, when the problems were with Ukrainian transit, in some places they really drowned furniture ... they laugh.
        And what are they all, doctors, then who is building a gas pipeline from Russia, who is a terminal for receiving imported liquefied gas, if they themselves have it all, and even cheaply? request
        1. Savigne Offline
          Savigne 19 September 2019 22: 40
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          Yes you?

          Yes, I am. Your fears for Europe are somewhat exaggerated.

          And where, if not a secret?

          Almost from everywhere. Middle East, America, Scandinavia. Recently, a pipeline was launched from Turkmenistan through Azerbaijan and Turkey.

          in some places they really drowned furniture ... they laugh.

          I always wondered where all sorts of stupid stories of Runet come from?

          And what are all of them, doctors, then who is building a gas pipeline from Russia

          And what kind of gas pipeline are they building? They cut off the southern stream, and Nord Stream 2 is not in a hurry to finish building.

          who is the terminal for receiving imported liquefied gas

          Build, why not build?

          if they have it for themselves completely, and even for cheap?

          And who told you that ITS? Have you come up with?
          Not his own, but ANOTHER. Not Gazprom.
          So clearer?
          1. Pishenkov Offline
            Pishenkov (Alexey) 19 September 2019 22: 56
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            ...you said...

            Full now in Europe cheap gas

            But the Middle East and America, this is not Europe, and this gas is not there, but still very far away, and not at all cheap.
            Deposits have been exhausted in Norway and the North Sea, with a service life of up to 10 years with today's consumption. But even that is unlikely ...
            About the fact that someone hacked, go see - in Germany, for example, everything is being built at full speed, while everyone is barking because of prices and politics. I personally observed this for the last time in late August. In the south there are problems, in Serbia, for example, but, as they have now opted for OPAL, everything will go there again ...
            I don’t know where the Runet tales come from, I’m not interested in them; I don’t care about where I live, all these reports from Slovakia were personally seen in the main news on television. Very, you know, then Europe was worried ...
            And you, if you really want to say something in essence, speak with facts, not with slogans. And so you become like propaganda of a scoop so not beloved by you ...
            1. Savigne Offline
              Savigne 19 September 2019 23: 59
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              But the Middle East and America, this is not Europe, and this gas is not there, but still very far away, and not at all cheap.

              These are your thoughts. It has long been there and is very cheap.
              Of course, I understand that Runet users are not trained in languages ​​just in case. Therefore, the news they draw FIG knows where. But even in RuNet, I see analytics that gas prices in Europe are now very low. And followed by oil prices.
              But it somehow passed you by.

              with a look to where I live, all these reports from Slovakia were personally seen then in the main news on television.

              Ahhhh.
              On TV.
              Then, there are no more questions.
              1. Pishenkov Offline
                Pishenkov (Alexey) 20 September 2019 09: 13
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                Well, where else ... on TV, I didn’t drown the furniture, thank God. And in the east of Slovakia it really took place to be in some cities.
                And about gas

                long time ago and very cheap

                - this is a fact directly in the patterns of Soviet propaganda laughing It’s, you know, like “we have fried mushrooms for dinner today, but they are still in the forest, and it’s not a fact that they have grown” laughing
                And the point is not even so much in the prices, although in them, too, but in the fact that in the right quantity, that is, to replace the Russian one, it simply cannot be delivered to Europe in the next couple of years. There is no transport. Take a closer look at the analytics in your Runet, and maybe even where, if you are so well trained in languages ​​... wassat
                1. Savigne Offline
                  Savigne 20 September 2019 16: 49
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                  Quote: Pyshenkov
                  But I drowned furniture, thank God. And in the east of Slovakia it really took place to be in some cities.

                  In the cities of Slovakia, stoves are heated They do not have steam heating? Wow, how backward they live.
                  Not tired of inventing?

                  Quote: Pyshenkov
                  but in the fact that in the right quantity, that is, to replace the Russian one, it simply cannot be delivered to Europe in the next couple of years. There is no transport.

                  This is probably because, because there is no gas in Europe, Russian Ukraine does not buy and this summer refused to “Gazprom's super offer”.
                  And again, wasn’t you tired of inventing?
                2. Marzhecki Online
                  Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 September 2019 10: 44
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                  Your interlocutor was already here, judging by the comments, but under a different nickname. smile
                  He also taught all with a smart look.
                  1. Pishenkov Offline
                    Pishenkov (Alexey) 24 September 2019 11: 17
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                    I have already expelled him from the "interlocutors", by inadequacy ... About the Second World War I was especially surprised in my article about the monument - I have not seen such nonsense wassat
                    1. Savigne Offline
                      Savigne 24 September 2019 13: 32
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                      Quote: Pyshenkov
                      I haven’t seen such nonsense yet

                      Are you talking about your "article"?
          2. 123 Offline
            123 (123) 22 September 2019 23: 05
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            I did not want to interfere, but I do not like it when they carry nonsense with a smart look.
            As of August:

            A consortium of companies - European Edison Technologies GmbH, MMEC Mannesmann GmbH, Air Liquide Global E&C Solutions together with the Chinese SINOPEC Engineering Group - expressed its readiness to implement the Trans-Caspian gas pipeline (TG) project.

            BUT

            Turkmenistan is so far focused on the implementation of another strategic project - the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India IHL (TAPI).


            https://neftegaz.ru/news/transport-and-storage/480357-konsortsium-evropeyskikh-i-kitayskikh-kompaniy-gotov-postroit-transkaspiyskiy-gazoprovod/

            The pipeline must go through the bottom of the Caspian Sea, but for this, the consent of all the Caspian littoral states, including Russia and Iran, is necessary, but they are still against it.

            https://vestikavkaza.ru/analytics/Prikaspiyskomu-sotrudnichestvu-pridali-uskorenie.html

            When did you manage to build something? Have you quietly paved? Can I link to the source of information?
            And further,

            ... gas prices in Europe are very low right now. And followed by oil prices.

            The price of gas is tied to the price of oil and not the other way around.

            https://www.science-education.ru/ru/article/view?id=18276

            After the US air defense systems "brilliantly" showed themselves in Saudi Arabia, where production collapsed by 50%, and the remaining quality dropped significantly (it was just the production of light oil and there was nothing to dilute heavy oil), oil prices rose. Moreover, as always unexpectedly, winter is coming. Consequently, no reduction in gas prices is foreseen in the foreseeable future.
            Please do not write nonsense, do not disgrace.
            1. Savigne Offline
              Savigne 23 September 2019 14: 07
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              Quote: 123
              The pipeline should go through the bottom of the Caspian Sea, but for this, the consent of all the Caspian littoral states, including Russia and Iran, is necessary, but they are still against it.

              When you use some information just in case, take an interest in its relevance. At least sometimes.
              What you describe was relevant for a long time. And quite a long time ago, the Caspian countries divided its waters. And after this, the consent of all countries for laying the pipeline is no longer required.

              Quote: 123
              When did you manage to build it? Have you quietly paved? Can I link to the source of information?

              TANAP. Turkmens are also smacked into it.

              Quote: 123
              The price of gas is tied to the price of not oil, and not vice versa.

              The fact of the matter is that this is ideal. But in reality this is not always the case. Now gas prices in Europe are very low. And that is why oil prices are forecast to fall. Expect a price balance. But nobody expects a rise in gas prices (for a price balance).

              Quote: 123
              oil prices have risen.

              This is a short-term temporary phenomenon caused by force majeure.

              Quote: 123
              Consequently, gas prices will not be reduced in the foreseeable future.

              Not expected, prices are already low. But the decline in oil prices is just in sight.

              Quote: 123
              Please do not write nonsense, do not disgrace.

              Do not make me laugh. You do not understand half the writing. Apparently not a horse feed, you are either poorly educated, or even worse. Therefore, it is certainly not for you to determine who writes nonsense and who is a disgrace.
      2. voronok Offline
        voronok (Ilya Vorontsov) 20 September 2019 22: 47
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        Quote: Savigne
        Full now in Europe cheap gas

        Therefore, when you travel across Poland in the heating season, you can clearly see how they are heated by firewood.
        And since when is shale American gas cheaper?

        Bulgaria is quite possible to play again according to the previous scenario and stutters about the nuclear power plant. But Russia didn’t lose anything in Belem - it received for the work it had done in court
        1. Savigne Offline
          Savigne 20 September 2019 23: 06
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          Quote: voronok
          therefore, when you travel across Poland in the heating season, you can clearly see how they are heated by firewood

          Not with wood, but with special briquettes. This is a waste of woodworking. Cost at the price of garbage.

          Quote: voronok
          and since when is shale American gas cheaper?

          Yes, probably six months already. Maybe a little more.
          Now in connection with this and oil prices are predicted to fall. But while petrochemicals still support it afloat. But this is temporary.
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        Badger (Dmitriy) 21 September 2019 10: 51
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        They just need our gas, it is cheaper than any other! Otherwise, they would not have started building, and they would not have created an international consortium!
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          Savigne 23 September 2019 14: 08
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          Quote: Badger
          They just need our gas, it is cheaper than any other!

          What is your gas?
          Are you the owner of Gazprom? Or what are you the owner?
    2. Badger Offline
      Badger (Dmitriy) 21 September 2019 10: 49
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      Then how will we be better than them? After all, their main friend and ally of the United States does just that.
  4. Screw Offline
    Screw (Gennady) 20 September 2019 12: 25
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    It is developing successfully - Poles, the Czechoslovak mafia with the Americans will pay for Russophobia.
    And Ukrainians are forgivable - since ancient times they have been living in the framework of the category "Katz ...- hoh ...", no bad thing!
  5. Marzhecki Online
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 September 2019 10: 42
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    Quote: Savigne
    Quote: voronok
    therefore, when you travel across Poland in the heating season, you can clearly see how they are heated by firewood

    Not with wood, but with special briquettes. This is a waste of woodworking. Cost at the price of garbage.

    Quote: voronok
    and since when is shale American gas cheaper?

    Yes, probably six months already. Maybe a little more.
    Now in connection with this and oil prices are predicted to fall. But while petrochemicals still support it afloat. But this is temporary.

    Where is it cheaper? IN USA? Maybe. And after delivery across the ocean and regasification in Europe?
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      Savigne 24 September 2019 13: 33
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      And after delivery across the ocean and regasification in Europe?

      Take an interest in what's happening in Europe with gas prices. Very surprised.
  6. Marzhecki Online
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 September 2019 11: 20
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    Quote: Pyshenkov
    I have already expelled him from the "interlocutors", by inadequacy ... About the Second World War I was especially surprised in my article about the monument - I have not seen such nonsense wassat

    This is the next reincarnation of the "complete liberal" who knows best how to live correctly.
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      Savigne 24 September 2019 13: 37
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      Quote: Marzhetsky
      the reincarnation of a "complete liberal" who knows best how to live properly.

      Is it me that is a "complete liberal"?
      You do not know much about social science and political economy.