What forces North Koreans to open fire on Russian border guards

On the eve of relations between Pyongyang and Moscow was hit. When trying to detain North Korean poachers, they opened fire on Russian border guards. As a result, three FSB Border Guard officers were injured. What prompted the inhabitants of the DPRK to show such a clear aggression against our law enforcement officers, despite the generally friendly relations between the countries?




Yesterday in exceptional economic In the Russian zone in the Sea of ​​Japan, two fishing schooners from North Korea were discovered that were openly poaching. On one there were 21 people, on the other 45. The command of the first vessel calmly surrendered to the Russian border guards, but the second - put up armed resistance, injuring three of our compatriots.

This is a serious matter. North Korean poachers have been detained, a spokesman for the DPRK Foreign Ministry has been summoned to the carpet on Smolenskaya Square. Moscow demanded that Pyongyang take all necessary measures to avoid the recurrence of such incidents. However, there is reason to believe that soon other, or even the same fishermen, will continue their illegal fishing in our waters.

The fact is that this is far from the first case when poachers from North Korea fish in the Russian economic zone, resisting when trying to detain them. So, in 2016, fishermen attacked an inspection group of our border guards, after which they had to open fire on them for defeat. It is enough to get a license for legal fishing, but not rich North Koreans count on luck.

There are other ways to get around the restrictions. For example, this year Pacific squid is in special demand. Experts explain:

Squid is a valuable object, which is in great demand in North Korea and Japan. It happened that foreign fishermen acquired a license for one object, and themselves, in violation of the law, were engaged in the squid trade.


Violations can be detected only during the search of vessels, which is what poachers are trying to prevent. In case of detention, fishing schooners are arrested, and their owners are subject to severe fines. But heavy life circumstances force the North Koreans to shoot at the border guards, which, of course, is not an excuse, but explains a lot.

DPRK is one of the most closed countries in the world. Since 2017, it has been under the next package of economic sanctions. Unfortunately, for North Korea, 2019 was a very lean year due to the abnormal heat and drought. The sanctions that limited the supply of fuel, fertilizers and spare parts for agricultural equipment. According to the UN, 43% of the country's inhabitants are starving. Rations for North Korean state employees are now cut to the level of 311 grams of grain per day.

Is it any wonder that fishermen from the DPRK go into illegal fishing into other people's waters and provide desperate resistance when trying to detain them?
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  1. Bulanov Offline
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 18 September 2019 14: 32
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    Russia may well hire part of the Korean fishermen, if their own fails, to replenish Russia's fish stocks. Compared with prices in the USSR, pollock, for example, has risen in price by 500 times.
    1. Pishenkov Offline
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 18 September 2019 16: 48
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      ... this is actually quite problematic. There, all these gesheft with workers abroad are engaged in serious mafia clans with a state roof, and it is not a fact that these people themselves will ultimately remain profitable from this ...
    2. Yuri Nemov Offline
      Yuri Nemov (Yuri Nemov) 18 September 2019 21: 02
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      Tell the people of North Korea how we feel bad here, maybe they will sympathize ...
    3. Joe Cook Offline
      Joe Cook (Joe Cook) 19 September 2019 08: 51
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      Russia cannot hire North Korean workers. International laws and regulations do not give.
      1. Bulanov Offline
        Bulanov (Vladimir) 19 September 2019 08: 56
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        So you need to blame these international laws for the manifestation of genocide and segregation to people of a certain group. Why can homosexuals be hired, but not North Koreans? Are they worse under international law?
        1. Joe Cook Offline
          Joe Cook (Joe Cook) 19 September 2019 16: 05
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          I agree with you, but then Russia will have to leave the UN. The world, as in a crooked mirror, has become, unfortunately. But Korea should not behave this way. Now their justification is hunger, then how they will be full, they will want butter and caviar. And after that, nuclear missiles and territories themselves, which already, begin to be considered their own.
    4. Piramidon Offline
      Piramidon (Stepan) 20 September 2019 12: 27
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      Quote: Bulanov
      Compared with prices in the USSR, pollock, for example, has risen in price by 500 times.

      This is how you thought stupidly on the numbers on the price tag? Then count those according to the same principle as how many pensions have increased. In the USSR there was a pension of 75 rubles, and now 15000
      1. Vasily Krutov Offline
        Vasily Krutov (Vasily Krutov) 20 September 2019 12: 48
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        Well, a pension of 15000 rubles is only in Moscow, in the suburbs it is, for example, only 9k. It is usually considered over vital products. And so your pension was 75 rubles, but now 9000, it has grown 120 times. Bread cost 18 kopecks a loaf of white (21 kopecks cut) is now an average of 35 rubles, an increase in price of bread by an average of 190 times. So the products still grew stronger in price. and if you take the same fish, the ratio will be even worse. Previously, cats were fed fish, now not everyone sees this fish on the table.
        1. Piramidon Offline
          Piramidon (Stepan) 8 October 2019 12: 38
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          Quote: Vasily Krutov
          Well, a pension of 15000 rubles is only in Moscow, in the suburbs it, for example, is only 9.

          I live in Vologda. Okay, I have a military pension, and my wife has a teacher's 16000 with a penny. So, someone who has 9-000 years of experience or a disability pension may have 10.
  2. Marzhecki Offline
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 19 September 2019 06: 53
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    Quote: Yuri Nemov
    Tell the people of North Korea how we feel bad here, maybe they will sympathize ...

    In Russia, some people live very nothing wink
    1. Savigne Offline
      Savigne 19 September 2019 20: 05
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      In Russia, some people live very nothing

      You will probably be surprised, but such "some" in Russia are at least a dime a dozen. Much more than loafers who do not want to work, but want to take everything away and share.
      1. Vasily Krutov Offline
        Vasily Krutov (Vasily Krutov) 20 September 2019 12: 59
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        You drive the usual balabol. Standard reply: all around idlers and do not want to work. I agree that there is a job in which the salary depends on your work hard and it’s called: I get rid of the money. But there are a lot of professions, such as a salesman, cashier, security guard, junior medical staff, cleaning lady, and so on and so forth, it’s impossible to do all of these professions, right? you must admit that they are vital, even security guards cannot be without them. On all these vacancies people and millions of them work. And what is the salary in these sectors? 7000-12000 thousand in the country and 20K in large cities? And what about such people? Do you call them loafers? Is it urgent for everyone to go real estate agents, managers or wave a sledgehammer in the face? Of course, a person will grumble for power and for the whole world, when the communal utility costs 7 thousand with such a salary, it’s impossible to approach many products, they have taxed them from all sides. Therefore, it is necessary to regret it is their own, Russian citizens, and not the quick-eyed poachers.
        1. Savigne Offline
          Savigne 20 September 2019 13: 29
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          Quote: Vasily Krutov
          On all these vacancies people and millions of them work. And what is the salary in these sectors? 7000-12000 thousand in the country and 20K in large cities? And what about such people? Do you call them loafers?

          Real loafers (up to a certain age, of course). Which are too lazy to tear your ass from a chair, go to another region of Russia or abroad and find yourself a job with decent pay.
          Guest workers can find work in Russia with those who arrange their salaries.
          Loafers from among Russians can’t find a job in Russia with a salary that suits them. And above all, because they are loafers. They wait, sitting in one place exactly when they bring everything to them on a silver platter.
          But they are mistaken, they will not bring. So they will sit in poverty on beach bags and whine on the Internet about "how good it was in the USSR." Yes, such in the LATE (exclusively in it) the USSR was good. They were fed a little better than now. And they didn’t make them work. It was enough just to go to work, lounging there, as they go now.
  3. Savigne Offline
    Savigne 19 September 2019 20: 02
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    According to the UN, 43% of the country's inhabitants are starving. Rations for North Korean state employees are now cut to the level of 311 grams of grain per day.

    And they could live like people.
    South Korea today is economically 2,5 times more powerful than Russia. And this means that if the USSR were preserved, it would have been many times more powerful than him too.
    The average South Korean is now more than 7 times richer than the average Russian. And it is part of a group of countries with a SECURE population (together with the population of Spain and Finland). But the average Russian is much richer than the average citizen of the USSR.
    But "the help of the Korean comrades" came from the west and north. And plunged half of Korea into poverty and slavery.
    Sorry sight.
    A sad sight.
    1. 123 Online
      123 (123) 19 September 2019 22: 39
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      Perhaps you are right, but if the Americans didn’t come there with their bases, perhaps the “Holodrans” would not have to interfere. Everything could be different. The origin of the numbers and how the conclusions were drawn is not entirely clear. Could you decipher the phrase -

      South Korea today is economically 2,5 times more powerful than Russia.

      South Korea’s GDP is less than Russian, both in PPP and in nominal terms. What exactly do you mean? The thesis that

      ..with the preservation of the USSR, it would be many times more powerful than him too. "

      What is the basis for such a conclusion? South Korea

      included in the group of countries with a SECURE population.

      - in the list of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita, South Korea is at 29th place ($ 41351), Russia at 49th place (29267). This is 1,4 times more, but not 7. Do you have other data or thought differently? Which country ends the list of these very countries with the "wealthy population"? Apparently, "thirty." Just Korea is at 29th place, Spain is at 30th in this list, New Zealand is at 31st, the numbers are almost the same, is it also included or not? What has she done? If this, of course, is not just a phrase from Wikipedia ... If you mean salaries, then I found the following numbers: -South Korea - $ 2 a month, Russia - $ 365. This is more than 769 times, not in any way 3, and this is in the nominal value, excluding purchasing power parity. Of course, I understand that the comparison is not in our favor, but I do not see the point of exaggerating this gap. Somehow pessimistic it turns out. Unless, of course, you did not want to speak in style

      ... everything is bad with us, everything is lost, we can’t do anything, we are ruining everything, Russia has remained a scoop.
      1. Savigne Offline
        Savigne 19 September 2019 23: 19
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        but if the Americans didn’t come there with their bases

        "Americans with their bases" were not there. There were UN troops, the bulk of which were American troops. But these were "blue helmets", to use the modern language.

        The origin of the numbers and how the conclusions were drawn is not entirely clear.

        This is professional analytics. If you are not prof. economist, I would not recommend that you delve into this. What for? Just read and accept (or disregard) the note.

        Could you decipher the phrase "South Korea is now economically 2,5 times more powerful than Russia."

        Net (namely they) assets of Russia as of 01.01.2019 amounted to 694,6 billion dollars. South Korea's 1739,5 billion.

        GDP

        GDP is a rattle for economic suckers. The indicator is certainly interesting. But not very significant.
        PPP GDP is a double rattle for economic suckers. Specially developed so that the suckers were not so offensive that they are suckers.

        The thesis "that, if the USSR were preserved, it would be many times more powerful than him, too," is the rationale for such a conclusion?

        The USSR was an economic dwarf (in spite of the screams screaming in RuNet). If it were preserved, South Korea would still be economically more powerful than it at times.

        in the list of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita

        For PPP GDP, see above.
        As of January 01.01.2019, 34,0, net assets attributable to one resident of South Korea amounted to 4,8 thousand dollars. And for the average Russian - XNUMX thousand dollars.
        On average in the world - 26,7 thousand dollars. Therefore, 34,0 thousand dollars, this is a relatively low indicator. Such a population is called "wealthy", but not "rich."

        Which country ends the list of these countries with the "wealthy population"

        In Finland. Next comes Portugal, but these are already countries of the intermediate (middle) group. Neither fish nor fowl. World average level.

        Just Korea at 29th place, Spain in this list at 30th place, New Zealand at 31th place,

        South Korea at 13, Spain at 15, New Zealand at 25.

        If you mean salaries, then I found such numbers: South Korea $ 2 a month, Russia $ 365. This is more than 769 times, not at all 3, and this is in the nominal value, excluding purchasing power parity.

        Salaries are also not taken from scratch. But they, of course, are not directly dependent on the economic power of the country per one of its inhabitants.

        Somehow pessimistic it turns out.

        Looking with whom to compare. If with the Balts, then not really. And if with Ukrainians or Kazakhs, then very much nothing.
        One must understand that with such a legacy as the legacy of the USSR, as it is now, it’s very good. After all, even 30 years ago (and even earlier, too), the population of the USSR was generally in the ass. Loser country (failed states if scientifically).

        Russia has remained a scoop. "

        This is a very, very complicated topic. Russia in the 90s made an attempt to get away from the scoop. But I could not do this for a number of reasons. And she didn’t come back. Therefore, Russia is now in interphase. Which chews and wrinkles it (this is the usual state of states in the interphase). Therefore, states intuitively try to slip the interphase as quickly as possible.
        But in Russia, everything is different. One interphase after another (I mean the interphases of the beginning of the 20th century). Good those interphase did not end. I’m afraid that this good will not end.
        1. 123 Online
          123 (123) 20 September 2019 02: 35
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          "Americans with their bases" were not there. There were UN troops, the bulk of which were American troops. But these were "blue helmets", to use the modern language.

          There is a fair share of cunning. If we argue in such a plan, then there were no “Holodroots” there at all, only separate small volunteer detachments (several million each). Libya, too, with the most noble goals was torn, and everything seems to be in accordance with a UN resolution. No matter what they were called. In Iraq, Libya, Syria, it was called a "coalition." The composition is about the same, mostly Anglo-Saxons. Those same "UN troops" got into the civil war. There are geopolitical interests of countries. The USSR and China could not allow the Americans to strengthen at their borders. You do not think that Stalin attacked Finland simply out of bloodthirstiness?
          Prof. analytics, of course, is good, but I prefer not to go deeper into faith, not to accept anything. The assets of Korea, the assets of Russia, look just fine. Let's get it right. State assets - currency funds, consisting of convertible currency, shares of multinational corporations and other means of payment.
          Economic power - the real ability of the economy to meet at a given time the needs of society. It is determined by the material goods actually created in the country.
          Don't you think that you are replacing concepts? All these “securities” have little in common with the economic power of the country, especially since their real value is difficult to determine. Stocks may plummet, enterprise capitalization changes, etc. Not a very convenient tool for determining economic power, don’t you? I think I will not be mistaken if I say that from the point of view of the availability of assets, Monaco does not look bad, but the language will not be called “economic giant”. Moreover, the needs of society are not only banal household consumption, but such things as national security. So, all these asset twists, the noodles that the "cunning" economists hang to substantiate their need. In my opinion, GDP, especially in PPP, reflects the country's economic power much more accurately. You will not argue that after the ruble fell from $ 30 to $ 60, Russia's economic power has fallen by half?

          The USSR was an economic dwarf.

          Are you seriously? And can you justify? Or just believe and not delve into? Do not be offended, but at this point I had doubts about your adequacy. Perhaps this is a professional deformation, everything is measured by stocks. Of course, I understand that the distortions in the economy were terrible, but the “economic dwarf” is an overkill.
          The list of “wealthy countries” is also a crafty thing and the evaluation criteria are determined arbitrarily. There are such concepts as the top three, the top ten, one hundred. And on this list, how many countries? The list can be made, depending on the objectives pursued, so that, for example, Mozambique will also be included in it, or it is possible that Germany will not be included. I am sure, without even seeing the list, that the outsiders of this "golden" list did not really break away from the countries following them. Where is this border and who defines it?
          By the way, I do not share your optimism regarding the Baltic states, if I am not mistaken, from next year there will be much less subsidies from the European Union, I am sure that in the near future we will see the real economic power of the Baltic Tigers.
          You are right, the topic of “scoop” is complex and rather philosophical, I don’t think it’s worth going deeper. Like the theme of the “failed state”, the more so - in my opinion, you are considering the whole of the XNUMXth century, that is, you mean not only the USSR, but also Russia. In my opinion - debatable. The topic is complex and requires separate consideration.
          1. Savigne Offline
            Savigne 20 September 2019 16: 32
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            Quote: 123
            There is a fair share of cunning.

            Why so? The Americans were there in accordance with UN decisions. What is cunning here?

            Quote: 123
            If you argue in this regard, then there were no "Holodroots" there at all, only some small volunteer detachments (several million each).

            Yes, the USSR was engaged in extremely unseemly affairs. And not only in Korea. The evil empire is not a metaphor, it is a historical fact.

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            Libya, too, with the most noble goals was torn, and everything seems to be in accordance with the UN resolution

            Gaddafi was a completely foreign body in Libya. While he had money, he bought Libyan society. As the money ran out (blocked accounts), Libyan society kicked him. It could not be otherwise. To seize power in the country of mind he had enough. And to hold this power firmly in the hands, no. Because not all dictators do it. That's all.

            Quote: 123
            Those same "UN troops" got into the civil war.

            One of the functions of the UN troops is the separation of the conflicting parties in conflicts such as "civil war". And punishment of the aggressive side, if necessary.

            Quote: 123
            The USSR and China could not allow the Americans to strengthen at their borders.

            End justifies the means? Somewhere I already heard this slogan.
            In fact, the USSR and China in Korea were engaged in clean water ...., just in case, I won’t tell you what, but you can guess for yourself. The result of this activity was the DPRK. Which today is a shame on the world community and the entire earthly civilization as a whole.

            Quote: 123
            You do not think that Stalin attacked Finland simply out of bloodthirstiness?

            Dzhugashvilya attacked Finland because he was a Bolshevik. Those. extremely aggressive, cynical and uneducated tipscher.
            It is understandable, before the Bolshevik coup it was an ordinary criminal robber (in fact, not ordinary, but the leader of a gang of criminal robbers). He did not give up his habits even after this coup.

            Quote: 123
            I think I'm not mistaken if I say that from the point of view of the availability of assets, Monaco looks good

            You are mistaken. Looks bad.

            Quote: 123
            In my opinion, GDP, especially in PPP, reflects the country's economic power much more accurately

            And once again, this information is nothing. Yes, it is interesting, but nothing more.
            I'll tell you, be interested in such an indicator as NFA (net financial assets). Another interesting indicator is NFA per capita. These data are not widely available, but with some persistence you can find them on the Internet.

            Quote: 123
            You will not argue that after the depreciation of the ruble from 30 to 60 dollars, Russia's economic power has fallen by half?

            Rubles to the NFA have nothing to do. This indicator is estimated in money. Those. in US dollars. Today, there is no other money on planet Earth. Although much is called by that word, money.

            Quote: 123
            "The USSR was an economic dwarf." Are you seriously?

            Конечно.
            The total share of the economies of the countries of the former republics of the USSR in 2018 amounted to approximately 0,5% of the global level. At the same time, many states (and especially the Baltic states) have increased their economic indicators. And sometimes very significantly. The same Latvia today is economically quite comparable with Ukraine. And Lithuania is also more powerful than Ukraine (economically).
            But the main percentage still belongs to the Russian Federation.
            The main export items of the Russian Federation are no different from those of the USSR. Moreover, by export we mean export. Those. not just shipping goods on credit (to “friends”), but selling them for money.
            But there are differences. For example, in the USSR, what is called “import substitution” was very developed. Those. production of surrogate goods that allowed the USSR not to buy goods of similar purpose abroad. This is the so-called “Soviet aircraft”, “Soviet tractors”, “Soviet combines”, etc. etc. Even the "Soviet pants." All these products existed exclusively in a closed market, and as soon as the barriers were removed, she instantly “died”. Because in an open market could not exist.
            Scoops the release of "Soviet products" (except for the extraction of raw materials) is given as a clear sign that the USSR was an industrialized state. Which, of course, is ridiculous, it’s enough to see what happened to the “Soviet products” after the fall of administrative bans.
            I will not develop this topic, since this is already the subject of special studies. Those. will be long and tedious. And for the sake of simplicity, I’ll take the NFA per capita level of Lithuania (Lithuanians will be a little worse than all the Baltic states, besides, obviously no one will argue that the Lithuanians after the collapse of the USSR and accession to the EU began to live MUCH better) and multiply by the number of inhabitants in the states , the former republics of the USSR on 01.07.2018/XNUMX/XNUMX Of course, the figure will turn out clearly very (very significantly) too high, but quickly.
            So, having done all these manipulations, we get that even if the NFA per capita fellow citizens are increased to the cosmic heights of the modern inhabitants of Lithuania, we get for the USSR as a whole only 1,792% of the global level. And this is today the 8th place in the world, between Italy and Canada.
            But this, I repeat again, is a very high figure.
            If we take all the same and apply the NFA per capita of Russia (and in my opinion this figure is too high, although not so much already), then we will get 0,699% of the global level. And this is today the 17th place in the world, between Brazil and Belgium.
            A much more realistic figure for the USSR is approximately 0,5% of the global level, but today I will not insist on it, because it's a long time.
            I can easily go on about scoops and can deduce the NFA per capita figure of the conditional USSR arr. 2018, as an average between 1,792 and 0,699%. Those. how to agree (solely for the sake of simplicity) with the figure of 1,245%. But today it is the 10th place in the world, between Taiwan and India.
            Those. whatever one may say, but in the real world (not the shovels) the USSR was an economic dwarf and NEVER entered the top ten leading economies of the world. Despite all the howls and assurances of scoops. But it couldn’t be different, an economy based on the principles of slaveholding OEF (and “Soviet socialism”, this is one of the varieties of slaveholding OEF) couldn’t be at least somehow effective and comparable with economies built on other, more advanced bases, feudal and capitalist.
            At the same time, no balls darting in space, Squirrel, Strelka, Gagarin and the atomic bomb prove anything (and this is the favorite "evidence" of scoops). The bomb has India, Pakistan, and the DPRK too. But you can’t name them the leading countries of the world.

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            There are such concepts as the top three, the top ten, one hundred. And on this list, how many countries?

            In the list of countries whose residents live above the global average in 2018, there were 22 countries. Residents of 2 more countries (Portugal and Norway) balanced exactly at this average level. Of course, residents of various sultanates, Monaco and other Liechtenstein are not considered.
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            Savigne 20 September 2019 16: 33
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            Quote: 123
            I am sure, without even seeing the list, that the outsiders of this "golden" list did not really break away from the countries following them.

            The difference between the average American (leader) and the average Kazakhstani (outsider) of the list of significant economies in the world in 2018 is 324 times. Those. the average American has approximately the same holdings as the 324 average Kazakhstani.
            The average Finn (the “poorest” of the “wealthy”) is 49 times richer than the average Kazakhstani with a penny.
            But one should not think that the Kazakhstanis are somehow extremely poor. The list consists of 53 countries and covers 67,2% of the world's population.
            There are countries with a significant population, but a microscopic economy. Those. with a really poor population. They are not on the list.
            There are highly developed countries with a microscopic population. They also did not get on the list.
            Exceptionally significant (in absolute) world economies are considered. And there were 2018 of them in 53. The most insignificant (in this list) in 2018 was Serbia (0,004% of the global level). Anything less than it (in absolute terms) was not considered.

            Quote: 123
            in relation to the Baltic states, if I’m not mistaken, from next year there will be much less subsidies from the European Union,

            I have been hearing these mantras for about 20 years, I guess. And even more. Nevertheless, the balts bloom and smell.
            In 2018, the average Lithuanian was richer than the average Russian (and the average Russian is the richest of all the other states of the former USSR, except for the Baltic states, I will call them CIS countries) by 2,5 times.
            Average Latvian, more than 3 times.
            And the average Estonian, almost 4 times. At the same time, the average Estonian (along with the Czechs and Chileans) was already quite close to the group of “average” (Portuguese and Norwegians). And it doesn’t take an hour after a couple of years to get there.
            So here they are “rotting” and “degrading”.
            But even if some passions happen and the Balts drop to the level of the average Romanian (the poorest in the EU), it is still 117,1% of the average Russian. Those. very enviable for the CIS (name obsolete) level.

            Quote: 123
            You’re right, the topic of “scoop” is complex and rather philosophical,

            Well no. The scoop theme is as simple as the corner of a house.
            But the theme of Russia (RF) and the scoop, it is really complex and ambiguous.

            Quote: 123
            You are considering the entire twentieth century, that is, you mean not only the USSR, but also Russia.

            No, by writing failed state I had in mind exclusively the USSR.
            Although the USSR itself is also not homogeneous. During the period of “Soviet power” (this is after “war communism”, but before “Soviet socialism”), the Bolsheviks (old, of course) had a chance to make something more or less tolerant of the USSR. But they spoiled this chance, having surrendered to the USSR Dzhugashvile and his gang of "new Bolsheviks". And this has become a major disaster. Although the deeds of the old Bolsheviks during their seizure of power and “war communism” also fit into the term “disaster”. But the Dzhugashvili disaster was, of course, much larger.
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              123 (123) 20 September 2019 22: 25
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              The resolution on Korea was adopted only because the delegation of the USSR was withdrawn, so it was possible to give legitimacy to the invasion. I naively thought that the peacekeepers should be engaged in the breeding of the parties, and here we have the participation of the Anglo-Saxon coalition in the civil war on the side of South Korea. The existence of a UN mandate does not change the essence of the matter. If a policeman is engaged in robbery and shows a certificate, this does not mean that he is right. This is cunning.
              The war in Korea began on June 25, 1950. On September 15, the Americans arrived, on October 8, they crossed the border of North Korea and only a week after that did the Chinese come. Just such a sequence.

              The USSR was engaged in extremely unseemly affairs. And not only in Korea. The evil empire is not a metaphor, it is a historical fact.

              Did white and fluffy Americans sow exclusively good? After Korea, Vietnam was flooded with napalm and chemicals, a coup in Iran, Lebanon, Cambodia, Grenada, Panama, Somalia, Iraq, Yugoslavia. To all these countries and not only to them, the “empire of good” brought peace and prosperity. Were these all specious? In the context of tough confrontation, there were no angels. So let's not play naivety and read morality.

              Gaddafi was a completely foreign body in Libya. While he had money, he bought Libyan society. As the money ran out (blocked accounts), Libyan society kicked him.

              You naively pretend that you don’t know who and how helped "Libyan society to kick the dictator." The statement that Gaddafi was able to seize power, but could not hold, was directly amused. He was just trying to maintain power, some miserable 42 years. FORTY TWO YEARS, but could not ... ..

              Dzhugashvili attacked Finland because he was a Bolshevik. Those. extremely aggressive, cynical and uneducated tipscher.

              It’s even hard for me to comment on these words. Either you are extremely naive, or pretend. In anticipation of the war, it was necessary to move the border from Leningrad, Finland was offered an exchange of territories, lengthy negotiations, refusal and further war. To be honest, I'm just in shock (this is the most harmless and censorship word that I could pick up).
              GDP information about anything? You did not read what I wrote? Not happy with the proposed definition of economic power? Maybe suggest another? I repeat, this is the real ability of the economy to meet the needs of society at a given time. Producing hypersonic rockets and providing yourself with food is often more beneficial than having a cabinet full of bonds. You won’t eat paper, you won’t beat off shares from enemies.

              U.S. dollar. Today, there is no other money on planet Earth. Although much is called by that word, money.

              The dollar, of course, is a strong currency, but not the only one, besides its former power is declining. Although the share of the dollar in gold and foreign exchange reserves is more than 63%, in international payments through SWIFT it is already about 43%, the share of the euro is almost 37%. I think the Europeans will not agree that their money is just “candy wrappers”. And not everyone is satisfied with the dominance of the dollar, the Americans themselves chop the branch on which they sit, limiting payments in dollars. The share of trade in national currencies is slowly growing.

              USSR economic dwarf.

              The second world economy, 20% of world industrial production - a dwarf?

              The total share of the economies of the countries of the former republics of the USSR in 2018 amounted to approximately 0,5% of the global level.

              I’ll tell you a secret - since 1991 the USSR is no more. Therefore, it is a little strange to compare its specific gravity in 2018. If you imagine that it did not fall apart, although history does not know the subjunctive mood, perhaps there would not be a sharp drop in production, a break in economic ties, it is likely that the economy would be much larger. Why 0,5% of the world level? Of course, there is nothing to brag about, but the share of Russia alone is about 1,2% -1,5% (unfortunately I do not remember the exact data). Nominal GDP - 1,52 trillion., PPP - 4,01 trillion. You can calculate it is not 0,5%. Or are you again measuring everything in capitalization? This technique does not give a real idea of ​​the state of the economy. The Russian stock market is underestimated. A familiar expression?

              States (and especially the Baltic states) have significantly increased their economic indicators.

              They have increased indicators, but what does this have to do with reality? Industrial and agricultural production declined, the service sector grew, but transit from Russia is steadily declining (and this is also services). Baltic “tigers” receive from the EU subsidies about five times more than they contribute to the general budget. Starting next year, the volume of subsidies from the European Union is declining. In the USSR, on subsidies, they also looked good at a general level. Do you think it is correct to compare the economy with Ukraine in its current situation? Ukraine is now very close to the definition of “failed state”. After the coup in 2014, the economy collapsed by 50%.
              The main export items of the Russian Federation are no different from those of the USSR.

              Why aren't they different? According to the Ministry of Economic Development for 2018, the share of non-primary exports is 52,3% and it is growing. I do not remember that the USSR exported wheat. But the share of oil and gas in imports is large, there is something to sell.

              Not just shipping goods on credit (to “friends”), but selling them for money.

              First, selling on credit is a worldwide practice. I don’t see anything scary that, for example, Rosatom is building nuclear plants on credit around the world, which is better than the bankrupt Westinghouse. Arms, for example, are sold on a competitive basis, and not like in the United States; all NATO is only obliged to buy from them. Excuse me, do you subtract from all countries from the total export share “deducting goods on credit to friends” or only from us? It is still unclear who, among the DPRK and Venezuela, are among the “friends”? I see nothing bad in import substitution. Exports are growing, imports are declining. Surplus, jobs, taxes, etc. There is no fair competition anyway.

              Lithuanians after the collapse of the USSR and accession to the EU began to live MUCH better.

              Are the inhabitants of Lithuania up to date? If so, why are they dumping them from the country? What does Lithuania really produce besides the “indicators”? I do not argue that they have more salaries and pensions, but everything needs to be compared in detail.
              I’m not going to protect the USSR with foam at my mouth, since there were a lot of distortions and inefficiencies. In general, I am not a supporter of the Communists. But, in fairness, not many "more efficient" countries were able to fly into space, and this, you see, is a sign of an industrialized country.

              Capitalism and feudalism are more advanced bases.

              I strongly disagree, but we will not discuss it, and so soon dozens of pages will go. The topic is separate.

              The difference between the average American (leader) and the average Kazakhstani (outsider) of the list of significant world economies in 2018 is 324 times.

              It is difficult to discuss, without seeing the list itself, share a reference, I will be grateful, then we will discuss, and so the conversation between the deaf and dumb.

              I have been hearing these mantras for about 20 years, I guess. And even more. However, the balts bloom and smell.

              Well, I don’t know, I haven’t heard before, all these years, I knew that subsidies will be cut, but what they get, so their economic successes are not impressive, as are the Polish ones.

              The Bolsheviks (old, of course) had a chance to make something more or less tolerant of the USSR.

              Excuse me, by whom do you mean? Trotsky? I repeat, I am not a supporter of the Communists, and I try to evaluate this period impartially and, if possible, objectively. I am convinced that these "old" Bolsheviks were no better.
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                The resolution on Korea was adopted, only because the delegation of the USSR was withdrawn, so it was possible to give legitimacy to the invasion

                This is an insignificant detail that does not cancel the fact of the event itself.

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                and here we have the participation of the Anglo-Saxon coalition in the civil war on the side of South Korea.

                You are wrong. The Anglo-Saxons, in full accordance with the UN mandate, tried to punish the aggressor side. Which of course were the "peace-loving communists." Who would doubt that.

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                The war in Korea began on June 25, 1950.

                Not war, but DPRK’s blatant aggression, contrary to all UN decisions on Korea.

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                October 8, they crossed the border of North Korea

                And where and how should they punish the aggressor? In Zimbabwe?

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                and only a week after that did the Chinese come.

                What is essentially an act of international terrorism. That is what it is now called.

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                Did white and fluffy Americans sow exclusively good?

                And where are the Americans? It was about the USSR. No need to translate arrows. If a neighbor has stolen three rubles from someone, this does not give you the right to also steal from someone even a ruble.

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                There were no angels in the midst of tough opposition.

                So there was no confrontation. And there was no "cold war" (and in general there are no cold wars in wildlife). These are all inventions of Sovagitprop.
                The USSR occupied (voluntarily-forcibly) the niche of the planetary patron and breadwinner all kinds of renegades, adventurers and crooks. And quite conscientiously fulfilled this role in the international division of rights and duties until his death.
                After his (USSR) demise, various US structures took on this role with great regret. By their direct tip (to save money), these odious regimes and their leaders gradually were almost eliminated from the Earth map. But some still remained. A little, but there is.

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                You naively pretend that you don’t know who and how helped "Libyan society to kick the dictator."

                But this does not matter at all.

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                He just tried to maintain power, some kind of miserable 42 years FORTY TWO YEARS, but he couldn’t ...

                I couldn’t. And finished badly. They even showed how bad it was on TV.

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                In anticipation of the war, it was necessary to move the border from Leningrad

                What kind of war? Why did the Bolsheviks foresee a war there in 1940, but not in June 1941?
                In fact, the excuse about "on the eve of the war does not roll." Because of her sheer absurdity.

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                Finland was offered an exchange of territories

                Yeah. It is as if you were offered to exchange a penthouse in Moscow City for a barn in the village of bash on bash. I would have looked at your reaction.
                The exchange was offered in advance absolutely unacceptable and absurd. Just so that later you could say that the exchange was offered.

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                and then everything turns out to be just no geopolitics .... The "aggressive Bolshevik" was attacked.

                Yes, the logic of primitive people (and the Bolsheviks were mostly poorly educated and primitive people), it is primitive. That is why advanced people very easily calculate the moves of primitive people a few steps ahead.

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                Can you suggest something else?

                Why should I offer something? Everything is proposed long before this minute. And not me.

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                I repeat, this is the real ability of the economy to meet the needs of society at a given time.

                Dear, if we translate the conversation into a more understandable plane of individuals, then GDP is salary. Vasya has a salary of 50 thousand and nothing but a mortgage for his soul.
                Uncle Petit has a pension of 15 thousand, a house in the country and a three-room apartment in the city (even if not in Moscow). Well, and some other bank account.
                By your logic (and I warned you that it was SPECIALLY DESIGNED to calm suckers), Vasya is much cooler than Uncle Petit. After all, he has a salary (GDP speaking statewide) more than 3 times that of Uncle Petit.
                But in fact, Vasya, in comparison with Uncle Petya, is a starving man (only he does not know about it because he is deceived by propaganda). And Uncle Petya is so calm, Vasya doesn’t sharpen his teeth, because he’s sure that he’s cool. In the end, everyone is happy.
                So it became clearer to you what GDP is and why is it given such importance?

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                The words “economic power” evoke associations with Kruppovskaya Steel, Boeing, Airbass, Total, Gazprom, Rosatom.

                You have the wrong associations.
                For example, Russia at the end of 2018 takes 21 place in the world ranking of economic power. And Israel takes the 20th place in the same rating. But there is neither Rosatom, nor Gazprom, nor Rosneft. Those. obviously something is wrong with your associations.
                If for some reason you do not like the example of Israel, then Singapore takes 22nd place in the same ranking. There are also no Rosatom, Gazprom and Rosneft. But there is a high place in the ranking and the highest standard of living in the state.

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                Producing hypersonic missiles and providing themselves with food is often more beneficial than having a closet full of bonds. You won’t eat paper, you won’t beat off shares from enemies.

                Sorry, but this is just plain nonsense.

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                I think the Europeans will not agree that their money is just “candy wrappers”.

                Nobody will ask them. It is in Europe they are the bosses. And in the world they are far from bosses.

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                The share of trade in national currencies is slowly growing.

                I highly recommend watching TV less.

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                The second world economy, 20% of the world's dwarf industrial production?

                I heard this soviet nonsense about the second economy of the world before. And substantively proved to you a little higher that under no circumstances could the economy of the USSR be even in the top ten of the world ranking. And most likely it was at the end of the second ten.
                But you apparently did not understand anything. It's a pity.

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                The total share of the economies of the countries of the former republics of the USSR in 2018 was approximately 0,5% of the global level. ” I’ll tell you a secret since 1991, the USSR is no more.

                Did you yourself understand what you wrote, and what did you write in response? It seems that they did not understand anything.

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                perhaps there would not be a sharp drop in production, a break in economic ties, it is likely the economy would be much larger.

                No, you obviously did not understand anything. I'm sorry that I wrote to you in such detail and a lot. It would be better lying on the couch.
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                A familiar expression?

                I don’t listen to all kinds of talkers. I'm bored of listening to them.

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                but what does this have to do with reality?

                The most direct - their standard of living has grown. And this is the main thing for which there are states.

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                Baltic “tigers” receive from the EU subsidies about five times more than they contribute to the general budget. Starting next year, the volume of subsidies from the European Union is declining.

                Yes, yes, this is a long-standing chatter of scoops. In fact, I have not heard her for the first ten years, but things are still there.

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                In the USSR, on subsidies, they also looked good at a general level.

                Are you kidding me? Already someone, but the Balts recall the times of the USSR as a nightmare. They never lived as badly as in the USSR.

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                Do you think it is correct to compare the economy with Ukraine, in its current situation?

                As of 2018 (I specifically clarified this) is correct.

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                After the coup in 2014, the economy collapsed by 50%.

                1. After the revolution of 2014. But it is still not completely clear whether it was successful or failed.
                2. If you take from 2013 to 2018, then not by 50, but by 68%. Those. almost 2/3. But in 2018, obvious signs of recovery were recorded in the Ukrainian economy.

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                First, selling credit on a worldwide basis.

                Selling on credit and shipping to “friends” of the USSR on credit are two big differences. For "shipped in debt" friends "never paid anything.

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                and not like in the USA, all NATO is only obliged to buy from them.

                This is not true, to say the least.

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                I see nothing bad in import substitution. Exports are growing, imports are declining.

                And I do not see. If imports are replaced by competitive products. If it is replaced by something like “Soviet production,” then there is nothing good about it.

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                Your “NFA per capita level” has little to do with reality.

                Not mine, actually. I do not have such power and staff to calculate this figure myself.

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                If so, why are they dumping them from the country?

                Because they have the opportunity to live and work in more fishy places. And a person, as you know, is looking for where is better.
                But from this they do not cease to be Lithuanians. Therefore, there is nothing wrong with that.

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                I do not argue that they have more salaries and pensions, but everything needs to be compared in detail.

                Everything has long been compared. For this, there are special organizations that make annual reports.

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                not many "more efficient" countries were able to fly into space, and this is a sign of an industrialized country.

                This is not at all a sign of ANYTHING. Dust in the eyes in the style of the Communists. Like, we’ll wipe our ass with newspapers and mugs, but our picking ball will be in space.
                Moreover, take an interest in who made the rockets for the picking ball, Squirrel, Arrows and Gagarin. Korolev is exactly the same vice chairman as Kalashnikov.

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                Strongly disagree

                Those. argue that the slave OEF is much more effective than the feudal and capitalist?
                Do you deny classical political economy as a science?
                Well, well.

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                as by the way and Polish.

                The Poles feel noticeably worse than the Balts. In 2018, they showed a recession, unlike the Balts, which added a lot. And the former outsiders of the EU, the Bulgarians, have already come close to them. A little more and the Poles will remain in the penultimate place in the EU, only EU outsiders, Romanians will be behind.

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                I am convinced that these "old" Bolsheviks would not be any better.

                I am not at all going to argue with you that the "old Bolsheviks" were scoundrels and scoundrels. This is an indisputable fact. But the "new Bolsheviks" (the so-called Stalinist draft) surpassed even them. These were absolutely frozen frogs.
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                  Yes of course))

                  You are wrong. The Anglo-Saxons, in full accordance with the UN mandate, tried to punish the aggressor side. Which, of course, were the "peace-loving communists." Who would doubt that.

                  Did anyone speak of peace-loving communists? And in all the other listed wars, they also tried to punish the aggressor? What no? Then this is not characteristic behavior. And it is very doubtful that this time the motive was the disinterested and noble desire to punish the aggressor. Why aren't they trying to stop the aggressor in Yemen now? There is a fierce, cynical and unprincipled struggle for spheres of influence. It’s just that the war in Korea was packed into a “beautiful wrapper”.

                  Not war, but DPRK’s blatant aggression, contrary to all UN decisions on Korea.

                  You’re just like a political instructor talking.

                  And where and how should they punish the aggressor? In Zimbabwe?

                  Well, they could stop at the border. Ours did not take Tbilisi in 2008.

                  Which, in fact, was an act of international terrorism. That is what it is now called.

                  Remember in Spain there was a civil war? Why doesn’t anyone call her an act of terrorism? But there other countries participated on both sides. So, this is still a war, if, of course, you do not get used to the role of the political officer.

                  Did white and fluffy Americans sow exclusively good? And where are the Americans? It was about the USSR. No need to translate arrows. If a neighbor has stolen three rubles from someone, this does not give you the right to also steal from someone even a ruble.

                  Let me remind you of your phrase:

                  The USSR was engaged in extremely unseemly affairs. And not only in Korea.

                  But did the Americans not do the same? But can’t we talk about them? What are you so worried about them? No need to pretend that the USSR is so ugly, and America in a white tuxedo.

                  So there was no confrontation. And there was no "cold war" (and in general there are no cold wars in wildlife). These are all inventions of Sovagitprop.

                  You are almost right, the term was first used by the bright representative of Sovanitprop George Orwell in 1945. And there was no confrontation, and there was no war. You are not from Ukraine, by chance? It’s now fashionable to turn everything inside out.

                  The USSR occupied (voluntarily-forcibly) the niche of the planetary patron and breadwinner of all kinds of renegades, adventurers and crooks. And quite conscientiously fulfilled this role in the international division of rights and duties until his death.
                  After his (USSR) demise, various US structures took on this role with great regret. By their direct tip (to save money), these odious regimes and their leaders gradually were almost eliminated from the Earth map. But some still remained. A little, but there is.

                  Straight tear came. With great regret, they took on the role of patron and breadwinner of various kinds of renegades. And no doubt, morality is on top ... And then they decided to save money and soaked everyone. Moreover, mind you, they’ve been soaked not because of renegades and odious, but to save money. How does this correspond to the bright image of knights without fear and reproach, bringing democracy to lost nations.

                  But this does not matter at all.

                  (about the killing of Gaddafi). So, if the USSR or China is terrorism, then if America doesn’t matter? Double standards? Your beliefs are interesting.

                  He just tried to maintain power, some kind of miserable 42 years FORTY TWO YEARS, but he couldn’t ... He couldn’t. And finished badly. They even showed how bad it was on TV.

                  The keywords here are FORTY TWO YEARS. If it was just trying to hold on to power, then who could? The rest are pathetic losers. If, in addition to the President of Singapore, you know such political centenarians, can you name?

                  What kind of war? Why did the Bolsheviks foresee a war there in 1940, but not in June 1941?

                  And where did you get the idea that in 1941 they did not expect war? Waited and prepared.

                  In fact, the excuse about "on the eve of the war does not roll." Because of her sheer absurdity.

                  Preparing for war, Finland was not a friendly state, they wanted to push the line of defense further from a large industrial center. What is the absurdity?

                  Finland was offered an exchange of territories. Yeah. It is as if you were offered to exchange a penthouse in Moscow City for a barn in the village of bash on bash. I would have looked at your reaction.

                  I think the least thought was how Finland is pleased to do.

                  Yes, the logic of primitive people (and the Bolsheviks were mostly poorly educated and primitive people), it is primitive. That is why advanced people very easily calculate the moves of primitive people a few steps ahead.

                  These "primitive, poorly educated" people just before these events seized power in the country and won the civil war. And the "advanced", who counted their several steps, at best, were hiding abroad. The logic of events suggests that they were not so primitive.

                  Dear, if we transfer the conversation to a more understandable plane.

                  Yes, you don’t have to bring everything to a primitive, just try to clearly state the idea of ​​GDP. Also consider yourself "advanced"?

                  Vasya has a salary of 50 thousand and nothing but a mortgage is in his soul. Uncle Petit has a pension of 15 thousand, a house in the country and a three-room apartment in the city (even if not in Moscow). Well, and some other bank account. By your logic (and I warned you that it was SPECIALLY DESIGNED to calm suckers), Vasya is much cooler than Uncle Petit. After all, he has a salary (GDP, speaking on a state scale) more than 3 times that of Uncle Petit. But in fact, Vasya, in comparison with Uncle Petya, is a starving man (only he does not know about it because he is deceived by propaganda). And Uncle Petya is so calm, Vasya doesn’t sharpen his teeth, because he’s sure that he’s cool. In the end, everyone is happy.

                  In fact, Uncle Petya only thinks that he is the most cunning. Because real estate tax will be paid for 2 real estate objects, and not small, because the quadrature is not small, plus utilities, maintenance and repair of the house. Well, you have to spend a little on the road. I doubt that his small pension is enough for a comfortable life. All that remains is hope for a bank account, but as long as it is enough, moreover, the interest in the bank lags behind the inflation rate. There may still be guys who consider it unjust that Uncle Petit has such real estate and a bank account, and who dream of sharing it all “in fairness”. And Uncle Petya will live very modestly and not noticeably, like the “citizen Koreiko” from Ilf and Petrov, and he will also have to spend money on security. But he will consider himself cool, because propaganda inspired him. So you understand what is your NFA per capita? You only compare incomes, you do not consider expenses.
                  You can’t just explain everything. They say that if a person cannot explain to a small child in 5 minutes who he works with, then he is a charlatan.

                  You have the wrong associations.

                  It is not for you to decide whether I have the right associations or not.
                  Maybe share your “right” ones?

                  For example, Russia at the end of 2018 takes 21 place in the world ranking of economic power.

                  Russia ranks 6th in terms of GDP (PPP) or 11th in nominal GDP. And there are Gazprom, and Rosatom, and Rosneft.

                  Producing hypersonic rockets and providing yourself with food is often more beneficial than having a cabinet full of bonds. You won’t eat paper, you won’t beat off shares from enemies.

                  Why? Have you tried to eat paper or fight off stocks?

                  I think the Europeans will not agree that their money is just “candy wrappers”. Nobody will ask them. It is in Europe they are the bosses. And in the world they are far from bosses.

                  That's exactly what rockets are for. They have well-being, but the Americans milk them as they want. And the rich Europeans will do whatever the States say. Unfortunately, the modern world lives by the law of the jungle.
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                    Why aren't they trying to stop the aggressor in Yemen now? There is a fierce, cynical and unprincipled struggle for spheres of influence.

                    For spheres of influence in Yemen? Oh well.
                    The sphere of influence is interesting in relation to those countries that have a "fat". Where did he come from Korea after 2MB?
                    You write amazing nonsense in the spirit of Sovagitprop.

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                    Ours did not take Tbilisi in 2008.

                    Member with a finger to compare incorrectly.

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                    Remember in Spain there was a civil war? Why doesn’t anyone call her an act of terrorism? But there other countries participated on both sides.

                    Because then such a term was not in use. But in fact, Germany, Italy and the Soviet Union did just that.
                    By the way, the USSR paid for it - 50 thousand Spanish volunteers (Blue Division) arrived on the Soviet-German front with the goal of "saying thanks" to the Soviets for their "activities" in Spain. I do not know how many people died at their hands. But given the standard ratio of losses on the Soviet-German front of 5 to 1, we can assume that they destroyed about 250 thousand compatriots. Here is one more consequence of the "wise policy of the party and government in Spain."

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                    No need to pretend that the USSR is so ugly and America in a white tuxedo.

                    I already wrote to you about the incorrect translation of the arrows.

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                    And where did you get the idea that in 1941 the war was not expected? Waited and prepared.

                    It doesn’t matter if they were preparing. It is important HOW prepared. And how prepared, everyone knows.

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                    they wanted to push the line of defense further from a large industrial center. What is the absurdity?

                    The phrase "international law" for you is an empty phrase, apparently.
                    By the way, according to your criteria, it turns out that Germany also wanted only to push the line of defense to the Volga and the Northern Dvina. What is the absurdity? Or do you profess a policy of double standards?
                    Or was there still a crime in both cases?

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                    These "primitive, poorly educated" people just before these events seized power in the country and won the civil war.

                    The history is full of examples when armed gangs seized entire states and held power there for a while. The Bolsheviks are no exception.

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                    And the "advanced", who counted their several steps, at best were hiding abroad.

                    Yes, there were few Russians in Russia then. Here the Bolsheviks took power from them in Russia. And the Russians themselves were partially cut, and partially expelled abroad.
                    Those. the key point then was quantity. Very few Russians and a lot of crooks. Have you understood the "recipe for success" of the Bolsheviks?

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                    just try to clearly state the idea of ​​GDP. Also consider yourself "advanced"?

                    You do not understand anything? Then, my condolences to you.

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                    But he will consider himself cool, because propaganda inspired him. So you understand what is your NFA per capita?

                    Nah yes. The Bolshevik mantra that “being poor is good and rich is bad” in action. I am so sorry for you (and in general, everyone) with such a mentality. This is called devastation in the heads.

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                    You can’t just explain everything. They say if a person cannot explain to a small child who he works in 5 minutes, then he is a charlatan.

                    I'm not trying to explain anything. Moreover, far from everyone can explain something.

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                    It is not for you to decide whether I have the right associations or not.

                    In this case, to me.

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                    Russia ranks 6th in terms of GDP (PPP) or 11th in nominal GDP.

                    Who about what, and again you rave with the help of an uninteresting indicator.

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                    because we were talking about economic power and not about the welfare of citizens.

                    Those. you don’t understand anything. Apparently you are from that cohort who cannot understand.

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                    Why? Have you tried to eat paper or fight off stocks?

                    I have not tried. But in any case, they are much more nutritious than hypersonic missiles.
                    And the most important thing. They are liquid and can be exchanged for anything. And rockets, no.

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                    That's exactly what rockets are for.

                    Dear, missiles in themselves, this is nonsense.
                    In order for rockets to become a bonus, you need a bunch of components. Otherwise, it’s just ballast. A suitcase without a pen. See an example of Sev. Korea.
                    I do not like this example, see Pakistan example.

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                    but the Americans milk them as they want.

                    They made fun. In fact, everything happens exactly the opposite.

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                    rich Europeans will do whatever the states say.

                    Oh. What about your rockets? France and OK have them. And they have nuclear weapons. And "rich Europeans will do whatever the states say."
                    Suspicious bifurcation. Do you have schizophrenia for an hour?
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                  I highly recommend watching TV less.

                  I can reassure you - I do not abuse the TV. Do you have other data? What is the volume of trade in national currencies falling? Do not share the data?

                  The second world economy, 20% of the world's dwarf industrial production? I heard this soviet nonsense about the second economy of the world before. And substantively proved to you a little higher that under no circumstances could the economy of the USSR be even in the top ten of the world ranking. And, most likely, it was at the end of the second ten.

                  I believe that you haven’t proved anything, strange hypothetical calculations, what could be the well-being of citizens, if the USSR still existed. If there is real data on the state of the economy (I recall, we discussed economic power).

                  But you, apparently, did not understand anything. It's a pity.

                  Apparently, you do not have the gift of persuasion. Perhaps you should just lie on the couch.

                  The share of Russia in 2018 is 0,341% of the global level. 50 times already wrote this, could at least 1 time notice.

                  I noticed. There are generally accepted indicators of GDP, but you are proposing figures taken from unknown sources, calculated according to an incomprehensible method, and the assessment is based on unknown criteria that are not in the public domain. Just believe? This is for you, sorry, to the church. About faith there.

                  There are no underestimated things (including markets). Each thing costs exactly as much as you are ready to pay for it at a given time. Neither more nor less.

                  When a thing is valued at less than its real value, this is underestimation. About like in a pawnshop.

                  The most direct - their standard of living has grown. And this is the main thing for which there are states.

                  Do you think that the state exists to increase your standard of living? In my opinion, you are naive and selfish. I can offer this definition:

                  The state in modern conditions is gaining the importance of a power system in a politically organized society ... The purpose of such an organization is to ensure normal natural development based on internal economic and spiritual factors ... Such a functioning of the state should be ensured when it fully preserves the qualities of strong legal capacity power, would not lead to authoritarian and totalitarian orders, the positive potential of democracy would be revealed, normal development of society would take place.

                  S.S. Alekseev.

                  Baltic “tigers” receive about five times more subsidies from the EU than they contribute to the general budget. Starting next year, the volume of subsidies from the European Union is declining. Yes, yes, this is a long-standing chatter of scoops. In fact, I have not heard her for the first ten years, but things are still there.

                  And you do not hesitate to listen to the “scoops”, they sometimes say smart things, with the “scoop” the education was not bad. What's wrong? No subsidies? Not going to reduce? Do you have other data?

                  In the USSR, on subsidies, they also looked good at a general level. Are you kidding me? Already someone, but the Balts recall the times of the USSR as a nightmare. They never lived as badly as in the USSR.

                  Even as they lived, during the Livonian war, for example. The history of digging up examples will be much typed. I did not say. that under the USSR, the Balts lived better. I said that they also sat on grants and at the level of the rest they lived well. Given the "Soviet occupation", they have been living in subsidies for more than 90 years. It is difficult to understand what they themselves stand without recharge.

                  1. After the revolution of 2014. But it is still not completely clear whether it was successful or failed.
                  2. If you take from 2013 to 2018, then not by 50, but by 68%. Those. almost 2/3. But in 2018, obvious signs of recovery were recorded in the Ukrainian economy.

                  Yes, yes, 3,5% of recovery growth, in twenty years at such a pace will return to the level of 2013. You are so worried about the level of well-being of citizens, maybe you will give data on Ukraine from your list? And for you it is still not clear - was the revolution successful or not? The numbers do not convince you? I think that millions of Ukrainians working at construction sites in Russia and picking strawberries in Poland are sure that they succeeded, and the relatives of the 15 victims are also convinced. And whoever still does not believe, they will surely be convinced when they sell the land "at the price that they are ready to give at this moment." It is interesting about the year 000 you say - exclusively the "Great October Revolution"?

                  Selling on credit and shipping to “friends” of the USSR on credit are two big differences. For "shipped in debt" friends "never paid anything.

                  In Russia, so much is “shipped”? Do not share the data?

                  ... and not like in the USA, all NATO is only obliged to buy from them. This is not true, to say the least.

                  Tell Erdogan, otherwise he doesn’t know.

                  And I do not see. If imports are replaced by competitive products. If it is replaced by something like “Soviet production,” then there is nothing good about it.

                  Not so simple. For example, there is a huge lag in the production of electronics (even during the USSR, microcircuits were the largest in the world), in particular, processors. They started to produce Baikal. It is uncompetitive in the market, but it is released on its own, for a number of industrial purposes it is enough. In addition, the risk of "bookmarks" is minimal. Well, on this foundation, with due support, normal production can develop. Do you disagree? Do you think it's better to buy in China and not twitch?

                  If so, why are they dumping them from the country? (Baltic states).
                  Because they have the opportunity to live and work in more fishy places. And a person, as you know, is looking for where is better. But from this they do not cease to be Lithuanians. Therefore, there is nothing wrong with that.

                  But what about the “task of the state to ensure the welfare of citizens”? It does not cope with its task and it does not bother you? You are extremely inconsistent.

                  Everything has long been compared. For this, there are special organizations that make annual reports.

                  Don’t share the link?

                  This is not a sign of ANYTHING at all (space). Dust in the eyes in the style of the Communists. Like, we’ll wipe our ass with newspapers and mugs, but our picking ball will be in space.

                  Another sign. If you do not have a developed industry, then try to throw dust in your eyes. How is Singapore, maybe?

                  Moreover, take an interest in who made the rockets for the picking ball, Squirrel, Arrows and Gagarin. Korolev is exactly the same vice chairman as Kalashnikov.

                  I doubt very much that you understand rocket science and weapon design in order to make such statements. And the confidence is growing in me that you live in Ukraine. Do you think the same people made a nuclear bomb to the Americans? For rockets, I do not presume to say (as a non-specialist), but I doubt very much your version. According to AK, the level of competence allows me to say that there are different design decisions. In addition to some external similarities, they have nothing in common. Aircraft, you know, are also similar to each other, the fuselage, two wings, a tail, engines and forms are similar. No need to tell nonsense. Look ugly.

                  Those. argue that the slave OEF is much more effective than the feudal and capitalist?

                  Have you independently determined that it is slave-owning? Just like in weapons, you understand?
                  And what is more effective, of course, yes. You don’t have to go far for an example. Pay attention to the Central Asian republics. After 1991, elements of feudalism appeared there. The result is obvious. By the way, more effective than the capitalist, but with a competent combination with the elements of capitalism. Look at China. In the Scandinavian countries there are elements of socialism.

                  The Poles feel noticeably worse than the Balts. In 2018, they showed a recession, unlike the Balts, which added a lot. And the former outsiders of the EU, the Bulgarians, have already come close to them. A little more - and the Poles will remain in the penultimate place in the EU, only EU outsiders, Romanians will be behind.

                  I meant that the level of subsidies in Poland is also large and their reduction is also planned.

                  I am not at all going to argue with you that the "old Bolsheviks" were scoundrels and scoundrels. This is an indisputable fact. But the "new Bolsheviks" (the so-called Stalinist draft) surpassed even them. These were absolutely frozen frogs.

                  If they surpassed, it was only because the “old” were early removed from power, not allowed to unfold in full force.
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                    I believe that you haven’t proved anything,

                    Looking to whom. To those to whom it is impossible to prove anything, I did not even prove anything.
                    And so, the "weight" of the USSR in the world economy is shown quite graphically. Which, with all the assumptions in favor of the USSR, could not have been more than 1%.
                    And funny shovels about 20%, this is generally laughter. Today, China + Japan + OK + Germany, it is 20,74% of the world (economically). When did the USSR occupy in the world the same place that China + Japan + OK + Germany occupy now? Yes, never.
                    He never even occupied the place of modern India (1% of the modern economic world).

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                    There are generally accepted indicators of GDP,

                    So use them. I’m not going to do your enlightenment.

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                    When a thing is valued at less than its real value, this is underestimation. Like in a pawnshop.

                    You distort as always. At a pawnshop, a thing is not sold. The pawnshop provides loans UNDER THE SECURITY of a knowingly more valuable thing.

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                    Do you think that the state exists so that your standard of living would increase?

                    Not mine, but all members of society. Those. citizens of the country. Ideally, the state exists solely for this purpose. This applies to its main function. But there are also auxiliary ones: law and order, infrastructure, etc.

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                    And you do not hesitate to listen to “scoops”, they sometimes say smart things,

                    Gee-gee-gee. They made fun.

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                    with the “scoop” education was not bad.

                    Who told you such nonsense? Have you ever looked at the number of international patents and Nobel laureates in the USSR?
                    The USSR was a backward boots in a bear corner of the world.
                    Yes, there was a surge caused by the Germans in the 50s of the NTR. This gave the industrialization of the USSR (real) 60s. But in the 70s it was all replaced by stagnation (will you continue to insist on a "good education with a scoop"?). In the 80s, stagnation began. And in the early 90s, Bobby died.
                    He would have died in the 50s. But in the late 40s, the Bolsheviks were subjected to the Reich technology and equipment. As well as German specialists. This prolonged the agony of Scoop and the torment of fellow citizens of a non-slavish mentality (not scoops).

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                    No subsidies? Not going to reduce? Do you have other data?

                    I have heard these passions about the Baltic States for decades. But for today (in 2018) we have Lithuania, which is economically noticeably more powerful than Ukraine. And Latvia, a little less powerful (economically) than Ukraine. And Estonia, economically TWO more powerful than Kazakhstan.
                    And what will happen next, let's see.

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                    Yes, yes 3,5% recovery growth,

                    In fact, according to the results of 2018, + 15,1%. Despite the fact that global average growth in 2018 = 0,00%.
                    But Ukraine’s main gain was, of course, revaluation of assets, and not your favorite growth in industrial production or GDP.

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                    can you bring the data for Ukraine from your list?

                    I have already given. But again, for 2018, the penultimate place out of 53 economically significant countries and the NFA per capita indicator of 2,6% of the global average. In fact, a nightmare, of course.

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                    And for you it is still not clear whether the revolution was successful or not? The numbers do not convince you?

                    Of course not. A revolution (any), like a reactionary coup (this is a revolution on the contrary, that is, a change in the OEF with a backward movement, i.e. degradation), is ALWAYS a decline in the standard of living of the population.
                    "God grant you live in an era of change" - a Chinese curse.
                    Moreover, the success or failure of a revolution (revolution) does not play a role here.

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                    In Russia, so much is “shipped”?

                    And where does Russia come from? I wrote about the USSR.
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                    But what about the “task of the state to ensure the welfare of citizens”? It does not cope with its task and it does not bother you? You are extremely inconsistent.

                    You somehow forgot that the opportunity to live and work within the EU for Baltic citizens is precisely the merit of the Baltic states.
                    You did not notice the elephant, in short.

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                    If you do not have a developed industry, then try to throw dust in your eyes.

                    About Sev. Remind Korea?

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                    According to AK, the level of competence allows me to say that there are different design solutions. In addition to some external similarities, they have nothing in common.

                    AK is not a StG44. AK is StG44 ed. 2.
                    Simply put, the product is complemented and revised by the same "creative team" that StG44 did.
                    The "creative team" worked in Izhevsk, if you are not in the know. Strange it worked. He worked, but nothing, judging by the reports, did not work. For what for many long years they paid money (and considerable) in foreign currency, it is not clear.
                    By the way, as a specialist in this field, I can tell you that the MP43 / StG44 / AK / AK-47 / AKM were very conditionally suitable as the main infantry weapons. In the Reich they were made as a special weapon of panzergrenadiers (tank paratroopers), and not as infantry weapons. In the USSR, the UGs were pretty troubled with this, and in the 70s these products gradually flooded from the army (from the Soviet). Having distributed their stocks (and ammunition) of various kinds to “friends” and other Soviet singers. Since then, AKM has become the most common weapon in the world. Only no one bought it.
                    The sponsor of this insanity was, as always, a shaggy fellow citizen.

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                    No need to tell nonsense. Look ugly.

                    Now you are just ridiculous. Already on the topic of shooting do not write to me, do not.

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                    Have you independently determined that she is slave-owning?

                    Certainly slaveholding. By all indications. One of theocratic varieties of the slave OEF. You can still note the extreme centralization of slaveholders, but this is characteristic of pseudo-religious organizations of the sectarian type.
                    Those. simply put, the USSR was a sect, in the ownership of which there were slave-fellow citizens.

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                    Just as you understand weapons?

                    In weapons (not all) I understand prof. level.

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                    Pay attention to the Central Asian republics. After 1991, elements of feudalism appeared there. The result is obvious.

                    Dear, even Russia so far has not been able to completely transfer from the slaveholding to the feudal OEF. Although it would be necessary. And you have already recorded the Central Asian republics in the feudal.
                    You read something on this subject. You will be better off.

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                    Look at China.

                    And what should I notice there? I think you do not even approximately understand what is happening in China.

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                    In the Scandinavian countries there are elements of socialism.

                    Of course. But “socialism” and “Soviet socialism” are two big differences.
                    Approximately, as a "car" and "Soviet car". "Tractor" and "Soviet tractor". Or even "automatic" and "Soviet automatic".

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                    If they surpassed, it was only because the “old” were early removed from power, not allowed to unfold in full force.

                    I do not think that the “new Bolsheviks" (the "Stalinist draft") could be surpassed. In addition, the "old Bolsheviks" already in the 20s in some places showed signs of sanity. The New Bolsheviks never demonstrated them at all.
                    There was a second creeping reactionary coup (December 1927, December 1936) almost in a row. What followed was a “purge” (physical elimination of the supporters of the old OEF). Then in the country came a complete ass and the dense Middle Ages.
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                      It is very difficult to discuss with a person living in a fantasy world. You deny the well-known facts, substitute concepts, come up with your own definitions and evaluation criteria, distort the words. None of your statements are based on real information.
                      Just a few examples:
                      1.
                      There was no Cold War, the term was coined by Soviet propagandists.

                      (they didn’t answer about George Orwell).
                      2.
                      The economic power of the country is characterized by the actual absolute volume of production of material goods. In contrast to the economic potential, which characterizes the potential production volume, economic power is determined by the material goods actually created in the country. The most important indicator of the country's economic power is the volume of gross national product and national income.

                      For some reason, you measure the economic power of financial assets and per capita income.
                      If someone else agrees with your approach and this method of assessing the economic power of the state exists not only in your inflamed brain, please be so kind as to provide a link to the source of information. You are not even able to give a definition of the economic power of the state.
                      This technique has nothing to do with reality, it only reflects the value of assets in the stock market. And that’s all. Example:

                      In fact, according to the results of 2018, + 15,1%. Despite the fact that global average growth in 2018 = 0,00%. But Ukraine’s main gain was, of course, revaluation of assets, and not your favorite growth in industrial production or GDP.

                      The economic situation in Ukraine can hardly be called “brilliant”, incomes have fallen, entire industries have simply disappeared, tariff increases are measured in hundreds of percent, millions of citizens are forced to go abroad to work. And then a “miracle happened” - they simply took and revalued the assets and voila - economic growth of 15% with a global 0%. Surely, the inhabitants of Ukraine immediately sighed freely and realized that life was a success. By the way, please provide a link to the source of information. Or again invented? The assessment methodology is just a tool for determining the real situation. According to the system of assessment proposed by you, it is impossible to get a real idea of ​​the state of affairs. Economy separately, assets separately. How did this 15 percent growth affect the Ukrainian economy? No way. Somewhere across the ocean on the exchange, the numbers on the computer have changed and that's it.
                      I stumbled upon your comments on the site, where, it turns out, the price of oil is formed depending on the price of gas, and not vice versa, and decreases after the price of gas. Could you clarify what you rely on when making these statements? It is very difficult for me to believe that a person who does not know such elementary things understands at least something in the economy.

                      Today, China + Japan + OK + Germany, it is 20,74% of the world (economically).

                      This is by what method? If according to "yours", then it is strange, almost coincides with the estimate (GDP at PPP) of 26,05%. “Almost,” of course, with a stretch, just the rest of your numbers differ dramatically.

                      Ideally, the state exists solely for this purpose. This applies to its main function.

                      Do not tell me where you can read about it? Or again exclusively your opinion?

                      Not many "more efficient" countries were able to fly into space, and this, you see, is a sign of an industrialized country.

                      Answer: “About Sev. Remind Korea? " (It was about the fact that only an economically developed power, of which the USSR was, could launch rockets into space). Please indicate the date of the DPRK’s flight into space, the type of rocket, can you recall the name of the astronaut or the name of the satellite? In my opinion, you distort. The creation of ballistic missiles (more precisely, copying) and space exploration are not the same thing. Formally, planes rising above 120 km are also in space, but this is not the same thing.

                      AK is not StG 44. AK is StG 44 ed. 2. Simply put, the product is complemented and revised by the same "creative team" that StG44 did.

                      The supplemented and revised product is the Spanish "CETME", the continuity of the design in this case is difficult to deny.
                      The design of the AK-47 and StG 44 have nothing in common except the same concept. That the development of the AK began after the StG 44 samples were captured is no secret, the rifle was appreciated, the advantages are obvious, and decided to develop a new model. The trigger mechanism, the barrel locking mechanism, the design of the vent pipe, shutter, magazine mount, and the entire receiver, everything is different. What is one important identical detail? Moreover, available on StG 44 and not used on other samples. If the design were finalized, they would simply improve the existing structure, and not do it from scratch. Of course, Kalashnikov had the opportunity to study already created samples, including the StG 44, and borrow successful technical solutions (it would be strange if he did not, but “invented the bicycle” completely from scratch). So did all the designers.

                      The creative team worked in Izhevsk.

                      In the course, only Kalashnikov lived worked and got married in Kovrov. He arrived in Izhevsk in 1948.

                      In the Reich they were made as a special weapon of panzergrenadiers (tank paratroopers), and not as infantry weapons.

                      Managed to release and send to the army more than 400 thousand copies of various modifications. Too many paratroopers, don't you find? Initially issued in small quantities to enhance the firepower of units, approximately occupied the front of light machine guns, and subsequently they armed entire divisions.

                      In the USSR, the UGs were pretty troubled with this, and in the 70s these products gradually flooded from the army (from the Soviet). Having distributed their stocks (and ammunition) of various kinds to “friends” and other Soviet singers. Since then, AKM has become the most common weapon in the world. Only no one bought it.

                      What, and the ammunition on the AKM has changed? I learn so much new)))
                      But do not tell by chance what fundamental changes have been made to the machine, which allowed AKM to become the most common weapon in the world? Judging by your words, he became a real infantry weapon? But the AK-47 is not? It is still being bought (later modifications, of course) and released. In Bulgaria, for example, in the USA, they do. The Israeli "Galil", by the way, is an example of copying and refinement. Look at the receiver, the design is identical. So you are also not very versed in weapons.

                      Certainly slaveholding. By all indications. One of theocratic varieties of the slave OEF.

                      Doesn't fit.

                      Under the slave system there was private ownership of the means of production, people were seen as the property of the slave owner.

                      Under the USSR, I don’t remember something about private ownership of the means of production and human trafficking. But do you, in a guided manner, again have some of your “alternative” signs that are known only to you? Do not share? And about "theocracy" in the country of "triumphant atheism" to listen to just funny. Well, they would talk about Iran, but here ... ...

                      Those. simply put, the USSR was a sect, in the ownership of which there were slave-fellow citizens.

                      Can you justify, of course? So your feelings?

                      “Look at China.”
                      And what should I notice there?

                      I think you do not even approximately understand what is happening in China.

                      Do you, of course, understand? Can you tell me?

                      China is an example of the effective use of a socialist planning system, but with a competent combination with the elements of capitalism, plus financial injections and an influx of technology. Over the past 30 years, China has almost equaled the United States in terms of economy.

                      Oh yes, sorry, in your “alternative” system, the Chinese economy is nothing. I would like to tell the Chinese, otherwise they do not know. And so instead of raising the economy, they would have taken it and simply overestimated the assets.

                      In addition, the "old Bolsheviks" already in the 20s in some places showed signs of sanity.

                      Examples do not specify?
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                        It is very difficult to discuss with a person living in a fantasy world.

                        Yes, maybe it would be difficult to discuss with you. But I am not discussing with you.

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                        Deny the well-known facts

                        Well-known facts at Scoop are all lies. Totalitarian sects, they are only on total lies and hold on.

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                        None of your statements are based on real information.

                        They have a strong evidence base and rely solely on facts.

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                        For some reason, you measure the economic power of financial assets and per capita income.

                        Gee-gee-gee. I’ve been writing capital truths to you all day. But you do not understand. This is just amazing.

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                        only reflects the value of assets in the stock market.

                        Lord, what is the "value of assets in the stock market"? What are you talking about?
                        Conversation of the blind with the deaf. Please do not “think over” what I said.

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                        And here “a miracle happened” just took and revalued the assets and voila - economic growth of 15% with a global 0%.

                        You know, I won’t explain anything more to you about the economy. You don’t understand anything anyway. And the fact that you "understand" is misunderstood and misinterpreted.

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                        By the way, please provide a link to the source of information. Or again invented?

                        I didn’t even think. Why do you need it? We are in a foreign way, and besides special terms, the meaning of which you clearly do not understand.

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                        How did this 15 percent growth affect the Ukrainian economy? No way.

                        Even as reflected. Only unless you notice this.

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                        Could you clarify what you rely on when making these statements?

                        And you too can easily clarify this by rummaging through the Internet.
                        You see, this is not a webinar. I do not teach anyone anything, and I do not explain anything to anyone. Someone wants to clarify something, perhaps the Internet is up and down.
                        By the way, you can easily not believe me. This is your right - the collective farm is voluntary.
                        But to someone and to prove something at a discussion forum is simply silly.

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                        This is by what method?

                        For all the same.

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                        Please tell me the date of the DPRK's flight into space, the type of rocket, can you remember the name of the astronaut or the name of the satellite?

                        On December 12, 2012, the DPRK entered the club of space powers, launching the Kwanmyonson-3 artificial Earth satellite into orbit. Rocket Eunha-3.
                        Such details for you for the last time. It took 10 seconds to find this information. But you, apparently, are too lazy.

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                        The design of the AK-47 and StG44 has nothing in common except the same concept.

                        Not a concept, but a weapon of the same class. Quite different, but in some ways similar. AK-47, this is not a rework of the StG44. This is a new "edition" of the same weapon. Made with the mistakes of the old.

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                        the rifle was appreciated

                        Carbine. StG44 and AK-47, these are carbines.
                        AK-74 rifle.

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                        the rifle was appreciated

                        MP43 / StG44 gave birth in the minds of poorly educated Soviet strategists BRED (weapon line on a cartridge of 7,62x39 mm). From which the USSR then got rid of since the 70s of the last century.
                        In general, some conscious actions in the field of shooting in the USSR began to be observed only from the 60-70s of the last century. And up to this point, the entire Soviet army rifle, it's just a parade of freaks. Delusions of inflamed and uneducated imagination.
                        However, not in the shooter either. Some “Soviet tanks” are worth it. Yes, and “Soviet guns,” too.
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                        In the course, only Kalashnikov lived worked and got married in Kovrov. He arrived in Izhevsk in 1948.

                        It doesn’t matter at all.

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                        Managed to release and send to the army more than 400 thousand copies of various modifications. Too many paratroopers, don't you find?

                        Not really enough.

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                        subsequently they armed entire divisions

                        Yeah. Mechanized. Those. all the same tank paratroopers.

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                        What have the ammo on AKM changed? I learn so much new)))

                        Do you understand Russian badly?

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                        But do not tell by chance what fundamental changes have been made to the machine, which allowed AKM to become the most common weapon in the world.

                        The secret to success is that he was:
                        1. From the Soviet military depots and therefore was available in cyclopean quantities.
                        2. It was distributed along with ammunition to friends for free. Rather, like, a loan that no one even planned to give and demand for a return.

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                        Judging by your words, he became a real infantry weapon

                        Yeah I'm already tired of explaining the shooter to you. What topic are you dragging about? Or not in any?

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                        in the USA do.

                        Do not write nonsense.

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                        The Israeli "Galil", by the way, is an example of copying and revision. Look at the receiver, the design is identical.

                        1. Galil, this is licensed Valmet.
                        2. And here is the design of the receiver?
                        3. Later Galili issued under the niche cartridges ("native" were not niche), for which the design was not intended.
                        4. The release of Galileo was discontinued due to their poor performance characteristics.

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                        So you are also not very versed in weapons.

                        Rarely anyone in Runet understands weapons (shooting and something else in places) as good as I do. At least I have never met such people.

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                        Under the slave system there was private ownership of the means of production, people were seen as the property of the slave owner. Under the USSR, I don’t remember something of private ownership of the means of production and human trafficking.

                        Private property is a sign of bourgeois society. Even in feudal society, there is mostly no private property (in the later phases it is in its infancy and mostly in small things).
                        In the slave-owning mode of production, only personal property took place. Private property is not even in its infancy. Which was the case in the USSR.
                        Citizens of the USSR were the property of the slave owner. At first it was Dzhugashvili personally, the founding father of "Soviet socialism." He invented it (study at the seminary went for the future).
                        Then they were members of the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee.
                        There was no domestic trafficking due to the extreme concentration of the system. Those. ministers and marshals were also slaves, but privileged. And the slave owners were extremely small and their property (after the death of Dzhugashvili) was collective (not personal).
                        But they sold foreign citizens to foreigners, and not rarely. The most widespread case, of course, is in the years of WW2.

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                        And about "theocracy" in the country of "triumphant atheism" to listen to just funny.

                        Atheism? Where in the USSR does atheism come from? A hypocritical rigid-theocratic society that called things by their own names.
                        Marxism-Leninism was not a science, but a pseudo-religion. With all the signs appropriate to this matter.
                        Actually, the behavior of the scoops after the collapse of the USSR clearly shows that we are talking about a pseudo-religious sect.

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                        China is an example of the effective use of a socialist planning system, but with a competent combination with the elements of capitalism, plus financial injections and an influx of technology.

                        Neither socialism nor capitalism is in China and never has been (maybe there was socialism under Mao).
                        The bourgeoisie fanned the Chinese bubble by exploiting the monstrous disability of the Chinese. Now that the Chinese have grown rich, they have become useless to the bourgeoisie. Next in line are the Vietnamese and maybe the Khmers.
                        Leaving China, the bourgeois will leave behind only problems. Which will have to decide comrade Xi (he had previously secured exclusive powers).
                        And the problems there are enormous. I don’t know how the Chinese get out. I'm afraid that nothing. And soon enough we will talk about China (and this is an empire) in the past tense.
                        Or another option, China will continue, but they will dig trenches again with shovels.
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                        Over the past 30 years, China has almost equaled the United States in terms of economy.

                        In 2018, China's economic strength (relative to the rest of the world) decreased by 23,1%. Not weak, right?
                        According to the results of the same year, the United States occupied 33,88% of the economic power of the global level, and China 8,38%. Where you noticed the parity, you can only see one.
                        At the end of 2019, China is likely to give up second place in the world of Japan. In 2018, Japan’s economic power accounted for 82,1% of China’s economic power. But China is falling (and very noticeable). And Japan, although slowly, is growing (103,4% in 2018). Therefore, according to the results of 2019, a change of positions in the top three is planned.
                        And if the rate of decline in China continues in 2020 (which is quite probable), then China has every chance to fly out of the top three. But this is already less likely than the castling of China and Japan at the end of 2019.

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                        I would like to tell the Chinese, otherwise they do not know.

                        Even as in the know. You have no idea how in the know.
        2. Vasily Krutov Offline
          Vasily Krutov (Vasily Krutov) 20 September 2019 13: 08
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          I have not heard such nonsense for a long time. Especially about the population of the USSR in a deep ass. You are apparently from another continent. Do you write work on life safety for the 9th grade?
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            Savigne 20 September 2019 14: 04
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            Quote: Vasily Krutov
            I have not heard such nonsense for a long time. Especially about the population of the USSR in a deep ass.

            You can not strain and do not write further. Your status as a professional loafer (lumpen) is clear. I already wrote that professional loafers in the LATE USSR were really better than now. It was enough to just go to work - it was not necessary to work there. And fed the loafers then a little better than now.
            But besides professional loafers, the country is full of ordinary people. Which, due to the demise of "Soviet socialism", have become noticeably better off. It is understandable that the slave-owning OEF (one of its varieties, "Soviet socialism", had a place in the USSR) is clearly not a reason for enthusiasm among sane and hard-working people.

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            You are apparently from another continent.

            No, I'm from a different layer of society. Not from lumpen.
            In a sense, yes, you and I are not even from different continents, but from different civilizations. Or so, from different parallel worlds.
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              Bitter (Gleb) 20 September 2019 21: 15
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              ... the country is full of ordinary people. Which, due to the demise of "Soviet socialism," became noticeably better off ...

              just a little ordinary.
              You wanted to write - a layer of society has formed from "loafers and parasites" who are not really straining to cut the loot simply ... simply because somewhere and who they know.
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                Savigne 20 September 2019 21: 21
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                just a little ordinary.

                Very wrong.

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                a layer of society has formed from "loafers and parasites" who are not really straining to cut the loot simply ... simply because somewhere and someone knows.

                There are all kinds of things. But this does not change the fact that working people have become not just better, but noticeably better.
                However, I probably agree with the fact that professional loafers (lumpen) have become somewhat worse off. And now they sob on open spaces, demanding "to return everything back as it was."
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                  Bitter (Gleb) 21 September 2019 21: 54
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                  professional loafers (lumpen) to live a little worse.

                  I do not agree. That's why they are professional, who would always be able to be needed, sit where they sat or higher. And thanks to the very democratic permissiveness, they also managed to organize entire clans and arrange their own kind in the same way - wherever needed. All these shifters from the “leaders” of the Komsomol and the party of the mind, honor and conscience of the era, they have not gone anywhere either above or below.

                  working people have become not just better, but noticeably better.

                  Well this is a regionally very controversial issue. And by the way, the pay in the envelope will not affect retirement.
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                    Savigne 23 September 2019 14: 18
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                    Quote: Bitter
                    Well this is a regionally very controversial issue.

                    Nothing controversial. Definitely got better. Those. even without options.

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                    And by the way, the pay in the envelope will not affect retirement.

                    Under the USSR, not everyone received normal pensions either. CSKA, of course, received. Citizens received. But the collective farmers with this was not easy. And there were a lot of collective farmers.
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    Anchonsha (Anchonsha) 20 September 2019 12: 22
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    Marzhetsky in the article justifies the shooting poachers from the DPRK at our border guards with their plight. Poachers, shoot better at Marzhecki and the like.
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      Bitter (Gleb) 21 September 2019 23: 06
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      As for me, it does not justify, but describes the sutuation.
      Japanese poachers probably have time to leave the fishing area on time, their equipment is better.
      Koreans are technically weak, so they are caught, what to take from the weak?
      The schooners had to be drowned, and the crews sent home on rafts, business then. The main thing is economical and no scribble.
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    Jo anne thomas (Jo Anne Thomas) 3 October 2019 12: 59
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    Recently, just our sailors have become too crowned and allow openly speaking - to attack citizens of other republics, and it is indisputable that everyone around is to blame.