The Baikal project is being closed: An-2 decided to be replaced by another aircraft

August 25 2019 44

The project of a single-engine aircraft TVS-2DTS “Baikal”, developed by the Siberian Research Institute of Aviation on the basis of “Kukruznik”, which was supposed to go into production in 2021 at the Ulan-Ude aircraft plant, was finally closed.

This is evidenced by the statement of the press service of the Ministry of Industry and Trade, made for RIA News".

As follows from the statement, on the basis of the development of the Baikal project, a new regional aircraft will be created, designed for 9-12 passengers, which should replace the outdated An-2 "corn-picker".

Also, the Ministry of Industry and Trade noted that TVS-2DTS “Baikal” served as an experimental model for testing new of technologieson the basis of which a new regional aircraft will be created.

It is planned that the technical documentation for the prototype will be created before September 2020, and the prototype aircraft for static tests - until December.

Thus, with the closure of the Baikal project, the launch of a new regional aircraft in the series is postponed for at least a year, and air traffic in the regions will have to be provided with the same old, but reliable "corn farmers".

Recall that in Russia, more than 28 thousand settlements do not have ground communications, and in 15 regions of the country, small aircraft are the main means of moving from one point to another.

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Sapsan136

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25 August 2019 14: 46

But was it not wrecking ... They didn’t release An-3, now it is ... But they’re buying all second-hand junk in the West, for kickbacks ...
1. businessv
  
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  25 August 2019 22: 07
  
  Quote: Sapsan136
  But is it not wrecking ...
  
  Wrecking clear water, colleague! After all, an official to receive money for lobbying for someone’s product offered today is much more important than people living somewhere in the outback! Therefore, the number of bureaucrats increases with unimaginable speed! 12 years ago there were almost 2 times less. Power for them provides these very places. You - to me, I - to you!
  1. Sapsan136
    
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    25 August 2019 23: 17
    
    It’s for sure ... I remember that the entire Swiss government is only a dozen people, and they rule as an example to the governor of any region of the Russian Federation with hundreds of bureaucrats-parasites in addition ... It is time to reduce official positions by three times ... for sleeping in the State Duma, getting 350000 rubles per month - this is too expensive for the Russian Federation.
    1. Nick
      
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      26 August 2019 16: 56
      
      Quote: Sapsan136
      That’s for sure ... I remember that the entire Swiss government is only a dozen people, and they rule unmatched by the governor of any region of the Russian Federation with hundreds of bureaucrat-parasites in addition ...
      
      The number of officials at the federal level only in Switzerland is about 36 thousand per 8,5 million people.
      The number of federal-level officials in Russia is 50 per 146,7 million people.
      1. Sapsan136
        
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        26 August 2019 19: 51
        
        Don’t tell me ... where there is one parasite under the USSR, now there are a dozen.
        
        Nikolaevich I
        
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        27 August 2019 01: 11
        
        "Statistics" reports that the number of officials in the Russian Federation is 3 (!) Times greater than there were in the USSR (15 republics!) With an incomparably more "powerful" economy! ...
        
        Nick
        
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        28 August 2019 03: 09
        
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        "Statistics" reports that the number of officials in the Russian Federation is 3 (!) Times greater than there were in the USSR (15 republics!), With an incomparably more "powerful" economy! ...
        
        According to the Central Statistical Office of the USSR, the highest level of managers in the Soviet Union, excluding the party apparatus, reached 1985 million in 2,03. But the apparatus of the CPSU under the Constitution of the USSR was part of the administrative apparatus. In addition, employees of the Komsomol and the All-Union Central Council of Trade Unions participated in the management of all levels. Total, about 100 thousand managers. In total, about 2 million 130 thousand managers are obtained in the USSR. In Russia, there are now 2 million 173 thousand. More than in the USSR, but not three times, but 1,02 times.
        
        Sapsan136
        
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        28 August 2019 20: 26
        
        Then I’m adding here all the EP ... Young Guard and other lackeys, who, by the way, are not there on convictions, but for money from the budget and privileges for themselves ... such as criminal immunity for persons with a dubious reputation, who generally then this is not the place ... and it’s time to remove this immunity, and reduce salaries (servants of the people), otherwise many who want to sleep and play computer games for 350000 rubles or more per month have divorced, and they even have the audacity to shout not enough ... Let them go to VASO to work for 15000 rubles a month, otherwise days did not work ... parasites.
        
        Nick
        
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        6 September 2019 15: 10
        
        Quote: Sapsan136
        Then I’ll add here all the EP ... Young Guard and other lackeys, which, by the way, are not convinced there.
        
        It is not correct. United Russia is not mentioned in the Constitution of Russia as "leading and directing", and indeed it does not mention political parties and movements.
        
        Sapsan136
        
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        7 September 2019 18: 41
        
        I’m telling you about the actual, and you tell me about the formalities that are only on paper ... But paper - it will endure everything ...
        
        Nick
        
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        7 September 2019 19: 56
        
        Quote: Sapsan136
        I’m telling you about the actual, and you tell me about the formalities that are only on paper ... But paper - it will endure everything ...
        
        The Constitution is not a formality, but a fundamental document of the state system. The highest law of the country.
        
        Sapsan136
        
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        9 September 2019 12: 24
        
        And what, did something change from the change in GDP in the seats of the prime minister and president? The Criminal Code is also not a formality, but according to Article 280 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation no one has been imprisoned in the Russian Federation yet ... Nobody, or will the GDP simply ignore its direct responsibilities? So let him come, I will quickly find if he has problems with his eyesight and conscience ...
        
        Nick
        
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        11 September 2019 12: 44
        
        Quote: Sapsan136
        The Criminal Code is not a formality either, but according to Article 280 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation no one has been imprisoned yet ... Nobody, or will the GDP simply ignore its direct responsibilities?
        
        Do not transfer the duties of your regional prosecutor to the President. If there are facts, contact your prosecutor's office, and do not write demagogic nonsense.
        And yes, Article 280 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation provides not only for landing, but also fines.
        
        Sapsan136
        
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        13 September 2019 17: 09
        
        But doesn’t the GDP appoint governors and is it responsible for those whom it appoints? To complain? I have several friends who regularly run around the courts, as employers do not pay salaries. So what? They will pay part of the money in court and again for their own ... It’s also difficult to prove something ... As if the GDP doesn’t know that there aren’t enough places for official employment in the Russian Federation ... He knows and is silent, which means he’s happy with it , and people work where they can, so as not to die of hunger ...
        
        Nick
        
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        14 September 2019 17: 12
        
        Quote: Sapsan136
        But doesn’t the GDP appoint governors and is it responsible for those whom it appoints? To complain? I have several friends who regularly run around the courts, as employers do not pay salaries. So what? They will pay part of the money in court and again for their ..
        
        Again and again. There are facts - to the prosecutor, forward. Do not sit here with Claudia in an embrace. To the prosecutor !!!
        
        Sapsan136
        
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        19 September 2019 15: 02
        
        Is the prosecutor blind? Or are all blind in the FSB? I am sure they are reporting on the situation to whom it should be ... At the Voronezh Rudgormash plant, workers have been regularly suing the company management for several years because of wage arrears ... and what, Moscow does not know that ?! He knows, but does nothing to restore order in the country and revoke the licenses of people doing business in Russia, frankly, by bestial and illegal methods ... And there are plenty of such enterprises, so don’t tell me your tales about the prosecutor ... And it’s not the prosecutor who decides such issues, but the State Duma and the president, and they don’t care about the mess in the country.
        
        Nick
        
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        28 September 2019 07: 57
        
        Quote: Sapsan136
        For several years now, workers at the Voronezh Rudgormash plant have regularly sued the company's management because of non-payment of salaries ... and that Moscow does not know about that.
        
        An inspection on the appeals of employees of Rudgormash LLC and RGM-Komplekt LLC left-bank prosecutors conducted in the spring of 2017.
        
        Read more at RBC:
        
        https://chr.rbc.ru/chr/freenews/5914898a9a7947178b6f593c
        
        Quote: Sapsan136
        Is the prosecutor blind? Or are all blind in the FSB? I am sure they report on the situation to whom it should be ...
        
        The Investigative Department of the Investigative Committee of the Voronezh Region has opened two criminal cases of non-payment of salaries totaling 22 million rubles to LLC Rudgormash and LLC RGM-Komplekt. The reason for the appearance of cases was the materials of the inspection of the regional prosecutor's office, which the supervisory authority transferred to the TFR in early April.
        
        Read more at RBC:
        
        https://chr.rbc.ru/chr/freenews/5914898a9a7947178b6f593c
        
        Nick
        
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        28 September 2019 08: 03
        
        Quote: Sapsan136
        And it’s not the prosecutor who decides such issues, but the State Duma and the president, and they don’t care about the mess in the country.
        
        Yes, this is not a mess in the country, but a mess in your head.
        
        Sapsan136
        
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        28 September 2019 15: 02
        
        Well, in this case, the conversation is over, just don’t be surprised that people like workers of Rudgormash, such as you, hate ... There’s somehow something for that ... And RBC and tales from all kinds of Stepanov Demur, which never came true, is not an argument at all.
        
        Nick
        
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        29 September 2019 07: 41
        
        Quote: Sapsan136
        Well, in this case, the conversation is over, just do not be surprised that people, such as Rudgormash workers, such as you, hate ...
        
        This is in vain. Sin, if so. They do worse for themselves. Hatred destroys health.
        
        Quote: Sapsan136
        That somehow there is something ...
        
        But in fact, not at all.
        
        Quote: Sapsan136
        But RBC and the tales from all sorts of Stepanov Demur there, which have never come true, are not an argument at all.
        
        Yours is definitely not an argument.
        
        Sapsan136
        
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        29 September 2019 09: 48
        
        And you thought people love the lousy, stealing leadership? You are mistaken! And this behavior leads the hands of the drivers directly to the chopping block! The people - he suffers for a long time, and then takes the hatchet and tambourine over the bosses who have snickered ... You need to recall how many heads of stupid parasites have been chopped off in France, who shouted that - After them there’s even a flood .... They drowned them, they themselves drowned him spawned, by his reckless behavior ... Clever learns from the mistakes of others, a fool from his ...
        
        Nick
        
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        1 October 2019 01: 22
        
        Quote: Sapsan136
        And you thought people love the lousy, stealing leadership?
        
        So you closed the topic. Okay. Nobody has love for the stealing leadership, only the stealing self has pity. You can steal yourself, but others, especially the bosses, no, no. No, comrade, that won't work. Start with yourself.
        
        Quote: Sapsan136
        To remind you how many heads of stupid parasites have been chopped off in France, who shouted that - After them, at least a flood
        
        And you do not forget how then they chopped off the heads of those who started this headache. The French Revolution then devoured their own children. As, however, and Russian.
        
        Sapsan136
        
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        1 October 2019 01: 41
        
        Only Madame de Pompadour didn’t get any easier ... Think about it ...
        
        Nick
        
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        6 September 2019 15: 16
        
        Quote: Sapsan136
        This time should be removed, and salaries (servants of the people) should be reduced, otherwise there are many who want to sleep and play computer games for 350000 rubles. and more than a month, divorced, and even have the audacity to shout that they are not enough.
        
        I agree.
        
        Quote: Sapsan136
        Let them go to VASO to work, for 15000 rubles a month, otherwise they didn’t work for a day ... parasites.
        
        I do not agree. There will be no sense from them in VASO IMHO. And for 15000 only a cleaner can work at VASO. Specialists and skilled workers need to pay salaries at times, or even an order of magnitude higher.
        
        Sapsan136
        
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        7 September 2019 18: 44
        
        Unfortunately, now VASO does not have cleaners working for 15000 rubles a month, it’s the salary of a test fitter of the 5th grade ... It’s necessary, but they don’t pay after all ... Personally, I consider those who offer to work for such pennies today as fascists how this money is neither enough for medicine, nor for the rest, even if you live very modestly, abandoning trips to the theater and fur coats ...
        
        Nikolaevich I
        
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        29 August 2019 13: 12
        
        Failed nevertheless, zhurnalyugi! I also came across such "numbers" that I indicated ...
        
        Nick
        
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        28 August 2019 02: 44
        
        Quote: Sapsan136
        Don’t tell me ... where there is one parasite under the USSR, now there are a dozen.
        
        The number of officials in Russia as of January 1, 2018 amounted to 2 172 900 people. But this is taking into account the employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Prosecutor's Office, the Courts of all levels, regional and municipal entities. Officials at the federal level - 50 thousand. Such information was provided by Rosstat (www.gks.ru) in early 2018.
2. Conn
  
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  25 August 2019 23: 30
  
  Right! A wonderful aircraft was created, beautiful, at last, but ... THERE IS NO BABLA budget, which could be cut, so they came up with a "new" concept with the old end!
Brother

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25 August 2019 16: 05

Hmm ... one gets the impression that just Russia ... is no longer capable ... of creating a modern "AN-2" ...
1. Igor Newsky
  
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  25 August 2019 17: 41
  
  No, just created. Only, apparently, someone’s pocket is too big ...
  1. A.Lex
    
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    25 August 2019 19: 50
    
    Igor, and into this pocket, most likely, "small money" is dripping from the "bins" "from behind a puddle" for the further bringing down of Russia. So that Russia will lose the remnants of personnel that can still do something. They can create a technique that surprises the world. They can create equipment that is superior to "foreign counterparts", BUT ... in single copies that do not affect the entire situation as a whole.
    And the situation is that the message with
    
    ... more than 28 thousand settlements that do not have ground communications, and in 15 regions of the country, small aircraft are the main means of moving from one point to another.
    
    ... everything will get worse.
    And the question - the Ministry of Industry and Trade - does it represent whose interests? State or "business"? As we said earlier about "business" - it will never think at the STATE level. And for the "business" it is MORE PROFITABLE to purchase and maintain the products not of our state, but those products in which HIM will be given a BIG ROLLBACK !!!
    Here everything is very simple - the Amer state is doing everything to promote its products all over the world (including in Russia), and for this they use corruption to promote the idea of "non-competitive" goods developed and produced directly in Russia ( this is done not only in Russia, but we do not care about others, OUR country is important to us) - this is the first aspect of the war.
    Second aspect of war - Americans are doing everything to cause dissatisfaction of the people with the leadership of the country THROUGH OUR OFFICIALS (as always - corruption, s). And for this, all the tricks are good for achieving the goal.
    These are the goals solved by ONE ACTION - killing aviation production in Russia, both small and aviation in general! ... And this is one of the ways of the collapse of the country with OUR HANDS!
  2. Brother
    
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    26 August 2019 05: 08
    
    Hmm ... what's the difference, for what reason - the right plane will not be built and will not go into production ...
    "Unable" .... well, or simply - "bablos are sawing!"
    1. Nick
      
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      26 August 2019 17: 01
      
      Quote: Breard
      Hmm ... what's the difference, for what reason - the right plane will not be built and will not go into production ...
      "Unable" .... well, or simply - "bablos are sawing!"
      
      They say it’s better than the good enemy, but not always. Sometimes, for the sake of a truly better, it makes sense to abandon the good. It is impossible to condemn all officials indiscriminately, wait and see.
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Monster_Fat

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26 August 2019 02: 59

Well, everything is simple with "Baikal" - the engine is not produced in Russia, there is no Chinese one either, and the wing with the body, it seems, is made of imported plastic. They will now sculpt from what the Chinese have and can be scraped together in Russia. What will come of this? But nothing will come of it - by that time the Chinese will set up their similar aircraft and they will begin to massively purchase them to Russia, and not new ones, but already used ones, so that they will be cheaper.
1. Nick
  
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  26 August 2019 17: 02
  
  Quote: Monster_Fat
  Modeling will now be from what the Chinese have and can be scratched together in Russia. What will come of this? Nothing will come of it - by then, the Chinese will set up their planes of this kind and massively begin to purchase them in Russia, and not new ones, but already used ones to make them cheaper.
  
  Oracle?
2. underlint
  
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  26 August 2019 22: 30
  
  Before lying, they would inquire about the real situation.
Vladislav Labinsky

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26 August 2019 07: 20

An-2 "Corn" was good, but outdated and in need of replacement - no doubt. But until a receiver appears, it is necessary to upgrade the existing one.
1. Sapsan136
  
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  28 August 2019 20: 33
  
  It is, AN-3 ... but the enemies of the people, such as Chernomyrdin and the company, for kickbacks, openly ruin the domestic industry, for the sake of abroad ...
123

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26 August 2019 13: 09

Just don’t throw your slippers, I like the plane too, and it’s a pity that it will not be there. I’m not going to justify anyone, but in my opinion, according to modern safety standards, 10 engines should be installed on new airplanes, if there are more than 2 people, and personal experience traveling on a corn truck suggests that airplanes on such flights need more space, this is not a taxi and, most likely, it will also affect profitability. To the stern, the engine is American, with all the ensuing consequences. So, as the bearded daughter of an officer from the Crimea said, not everything is so simple.))))
MrBo

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26 August 2019 13: 25

Wrecking is starting mass construction of this ....
Well, why did you decide that this building is good?
In the characteristics, the designer does not indicate fuel and cargo efficiency - g / person / km and ruble / ton / kilometer and aerodynamic quality of the airframe. The only visible plus of the aircraft is that it supposedly fits into the existing infrastructure developed for the An-2, with significant changes in the engine and fuel, which will make it impossible to operate it economically.
Compare the terms of leasing, plus the operating costs of this "masterpiece" of domestic aircraft construction with foreign counterparts 20-30 years ago, and you will understand where Russia is.
For example, Pilatus PC-12 - the first flight - 1991. Asking price: $ 2,15 - $ 3,45 million. Direct operating costs: $ 668 / hour. Fixed costs: $ 210 / year.
Oleg RB

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26 August 2019 19: 55

I remember that after the TVS catastrophe in the Russian Federation at the air forum heated debate broke out about how it flies if there is no certification yet.
I don’t remember how it ended.
underlint

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26 August 2019 22: 26

Fools, as always, read only headings, and provocateurs write them. But the bottom line is that the project does not close, but rather goes into series, but with improvements.
pafegosoff

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27 August 2019 06: 38

It is planned that the technical documentation for the prototype will be created before September 2020, and the prototype aircraft for static tests - until December.

And in December 2020, the project will again be closed in favor of a new ...
Although in "Baikal" the engine, avionics, glider (materials) are imported, but the wheels are Russian! This means that the cost and operation are five times higher than that of the An-2.
Joe Cook

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27 August 2019 08: 17

Clumsy he, even the name. The same AN-2, but with a different engine. Maybe they changed the pieces of wood to plastic. Looks nothing new. Outwardly ugly became. Sweet corn is prettier. And the planes, they must be beautiful. Otherwise they will not fly.