ROC: The death of Soviet soldiers during the Second World War - "a sacrifice for godlessness"

25 2019 June 40

Bishop of the Russian Orthodox Church (ROC), Metropolitan of Belgorod and Stary Oskol John (in the world of Popov) called the deaths of servicemen of the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army (Red Army) during the Great Patriotic War (WWII) “a victim for atheism”. He made this statement at the commemoration evening of the beginning of the Second World War, emphasizing that the baptized people won the war. The corresponding video was published on the official YouTube channel of the Belgorod and Starooskolsky diocese.

The baptized people won the war, those who were called to spiritually defeat this machine, well-functioning

- said the metropolitan on June 22, 2019.

He noted that the dead unbaptized soldiers of the Red Army - these are sacrifices made for godlessness.

In the first months of the war, almost more than 60 percent of the Red Army, that is, young soldiers who were born in godless times, most of them were not baptized, they were killed. It was a disproportionate sacrifice, it was a sacrifice that was made for godlessness

- clarified the metropolitan.

These words caused an ambiguous reaction. Many netizens have come to the conclusion that sometimes clergy of the Russian Orthodox Church make frankly unnecessary statements. For example, they absolutely do not understand "for the glory of what" one million soldiers of the tsarist army died during the First World War. And it should be noted that periodically, representatives of the Russian Orthodox Church really surprise with their conclusions.

For example, in April 2019, when one of the symbols of France, the Notre Dame de Paris paris, burned down in Paris, the head of the Russian Orthodox Church under the Council of Europe and the European Union, hegumen Philippe (in the world of Ryabykh), rector of the parish of All Saints in Strasbourg , saidthat the fire should be perceived as a sign and a call to repentance. And in May 2019, Metropolitan of Yekaterinburg and Verkhotursky Cyril (in the world Nakonechny) compared "Bad protests" in Yekaterinburg with the shooting of the last Russian Tsar Nicholas II and his family.

We want to note that Russia is a multinational and multiconfessional country, so we need to think before making loud statements. By the way, in addition to the image of the royal crown of Prussia (since 1847), and later the coat of arms of fascist Germany (since 1933), the inscription “Gott mit uns” was engraved in the semicircle on the buckles of the German military’s belt in the semicircle, which means German "God is with us".

It must be added that on September 4, 1943, Joseph Stalin received Metropolitans Sergius (Starogorodsky), Alekii (Simansky) and Nikolai (Yarushevich). During the conversation, it was decided to elect a Patriarch, to open theological educational institutions, and agreed to establish a body for interaction between the Russian Orthodox Church and the government - the Council for Russian Orthodox Church Affairs at the Council of People's Commissars. As a residence, the Patriarch was given the building of the former residence of the German ambassadors to the USSR.

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Rinat

+5

25 June 2019 18: 24

Some church leaders simply drive the "blizzard", mercilessly stupid. One gets the impression that they are divorced from reality or are driving propaganda. In this example, anti-Soviet propaganda starts from afar, let's see what they are driving at.
Shelest2000

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25 June 2019 18: 25
Bishop of the Russian Orthodox Church (ROC), Metropolitan of Belgorod and Stary Oskol John (in the world of Popov) called the death of military personnel of the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army (Red Army) during the Great Patriotic War (WWII) - “a victim for atheism”

In general, it is not surprising if we recall how the representatives of the Russian Orthodox Church joyfully greeted the Nazis on our land and collaborated with them. These lick, deeply and affectionately, of any power that we are now observing in Russia.

Here, this topic is interestingly revealed.
https://www.yaplakal.com/forum2/topic1906290.html
1. gorbunov.vladisl
  
  +3
  
  26 June 2019 17: 20
  
  ... if you recall how the representatives of the Russian Orthodox Church joyfully greeted the Nazis ...
  
  It is not necessary in individual cases to judge the entire Russian Orthodox Church.
  The same Vlasov from the atheists scored an entire army.
  The metropolitan of course said without thinking. I think the older ones will fix it.
  1. A.Lex
    
    0
    
    26 June 2019 22: 01
    
    Vlad, wow single! You take a look at the photo! Yes their crowd is there. And this is only ONE OF.
    1. gorbunov.vladisl
      
      +3
      
      27 June 2019 08: 16
      
      You take a look at the photo!
      
      The presence of a cross, beard and cassock does not mean belonging to the Russian Orthodox Church.
      On the outskirts of such clowns is immeasurable.
      The photo may well be their predecessors from among the ukronatsiks.
      Here is one of these clowns. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrey_(Sheptitsky)
Pishenkov

+8

25 June 2019 18: 37

I have always said that faith, religion and the church are three different things. Moreover, the last two are invented and managed by people exclusively for their own good. Not always the smartest and most decent people, by the way, as this metropolitan proves. All that can be said is once again proved by this citizen that in the ranks of the clergy (and at the highest level) there are just not smart people, and an outspoken bastard.
1. A.Lex
  
  +2
  
  26 June 2019 22: 03
  
  That's it, that bastard! Who gave him the right to say such things? Or is he a provocateur, albeit at such a high post?
BoBot Robot - Free Thinking Machine

+4

25 June 2019 19: 46

Atheist-not godless, this is all abstraction, and in kind The Stalinist army was poorly trained and therefore suffered huge losses in the initial period of the war. So shake it off, generals! As the ancient Roman Consuls said, the army should STUDY, STUDY и STUDY! To a bloody sweat!
1. Pishenkov
  
  +2
  
  26 June 2019 22: 30
  
  The army of the USSR before the start of the Second World War was well trained, highly motivated, armed better than the German and surpassed it numerically. This is an open statistic. And all this KA lost as a result of retreats of the beginning of the war, including a high moral state. And retreats and losses occurred mainly due to what no one in the Russian Federation wants to talk about now ... They were not preparing for defense initially and were not mentally attuned to it ...
  1. semsemch
    
    -6
    
    26 June 2019 22: 54
    
    Quote: Pyshenkov
    The army of the USSR before the start of the Second World War was well trained, highly motivated
    
    And nothing that in 1941 about 3 million "highly motivated soldiers and commanders of the Red Army" surrendered to the Germans. With weapons, equipment and ammunition.
    
    Quote: Pyshenkov
    armed better than German
    
    Atas! Comparing German weapons with Soviet ones is like comparing Porsche to Constipation. And to find constipation "undeniable benefits".
    The Red Army, and later the SA, never had good weapons at all. They were not allowed to do the level of technical and technological development of the USSR.
2. Rinat
  
  +2
  
  27 June 2019 07: 23
  
  The Stalinist army was poorly trained and therefore suffered huge losses in the initial period of the war.
  
  In many respects, the Red Army was sufficiently well prepared for war, in many, but not in all. In 37, the enemies of the people among the generals were not cleaned up, "sunk to the bottom". In 41, this circumstance backfired with a series of treacherous actions on the part of these awakened, as they say now, "sleeping" utyrki. But, since the traitors gave themselves away by their actions, they were identified, arrested and in October 41, 25 heads were shot.
  By the way, in May 41 large-scale military exercises were held in the western military district. The Wehrmacht received a great advantage due to the actions of the undefeated traitors among the high command of the Red Army. The liberals and urapatriots are trying to shift all responsibility for the catastrophe of the outbreak of war onto the Soviet leadership, in the person of the government of the Communist Party and personally Stalin, and this conflicts with the real events of those days.
  1. Pishenkov
    
    +2
    
    27 June 2019 11: 24
    
    Rinat, we can partly agree with you, but if, as you write yourself, "1941 heads" were identified and executed by traitors in 25, then you yourself understand that for an army of several million this can hardly be a decisive factor in such huge defeats. I think the Germans would have found that many among the command staff even then. Regarding the purges of 1937 and, in general, who these people were and what real posts they occupied, despite their rank of brigade commanders, army commanders, etc., this is generally a very ambiguous story. And one can hardly say with certainty whether the state of the army worsened all this, or vice versa.
    It seems to me much more interesting that you mentioned the fact of conducting large military exercises of the Western Military District of the USSR. From the memoirs of the Soviet commanders themselves, it follows that similar exercises of various sizes on the western borders of the USSR were carried out massively and regularly in the winter of 1940/41 and in the spring of 1941. Particular attention should be paid to the goals and objectives of these exercises, the troops involved and their deployment at that time. In the overwhelming majority of cases, it was precisely offensive actions and combat operations in adjacent territories that were worked out. This is open Soviet data. But there is practically no mention of active and serious preparation of the defense in the same period and in the same places. Conclusions can be made.
    1. semsemch
      
      -6
      
      27 June 2019 13: 57
      
      Quote: Pyshenkov
      It seems to me much more interesting that you mentioned the fact of conducting large military exercises of the Western Military District of the USSR. From the memoirs of the Soviet commanders themselves, it follows that similar exercises of various sizes on the western borders of the USSR were carried out massively and regularly in the winter of 1940/41 and in the spring of 1941.
      
      There were no "major exercises" in May 1941.
      On April 10, 1941, it was decided to put the military districts in the west of the country on alert from May 1, 1941. This was what happened in May.
      On May 6, Dzhugashvili took over as Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars. Those. already officially concentrated in his hands all the power in the country.
      The country was READY for war. But what kind of war, offensive or defensive, is the question.
      And even the configuration of the troops was built correctly. Against the German tank groups (attacking troops) were Soviet defensive (rifle) divisions. But they most often did not want to fight for the Bolsheviks and Dzhugashvili. Therefore, in the summer of 1941, what happened happened. And already in the fall of 1941 (closer to the 2nd half), the Bolsheviks took control of the situation. Chaos basically ended.
      ---
      Unfortunately, many are not interested in declassified documents now. And they retell what they were taught back in the USSR in history lessons.
      1. Pishenkov
        
        -1
        
        27 June 2019 18: 23
        
        And in the quote, which he himself singled out and answered to it, is there the word "May" somewhere? And you don't know how to read, uneducated fool ...
        
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        Pishenkov
        
        +2
        
        27 June 2019 20: 11
        
        Have you invented a new "nickname"? And brains and style give out ...
        The answer to whom? That's who wrote about May, and answer that.
        
        A.Lex
        
        +2
        
        27 June 2019 21: 46
        
        Alexei, this, along the way, is the same 9999th. Painfully similar vocabulary! You did not see what he wrote to me in one conversation - the Bolsheviks LIED that there was an intervention of 18-21 years of the last century! in general ... With this provocateur, I stopped discussing - a liar.
        
        Pishenkov
        
        +2
        
        28 June 2019 00: 16
        
        Yes, I'm not discussing with him, it makes no sense. It's just a call to attention to an already blatant non-sympathy ... Quotes like me, but criticizes the phrase of another person. And about 9999 (Kim, Trampoline instructor, Sweetest guy, etc.) you are right, apparently the "dragon" has grown our next head. But in terms of their brain functions, they all do not differ from one another ...
        Have a good evening.
  2. semsemch
    
    -6
    
    27 June 2019 13: 47
    
    Quote: Rinat
    Today, 07: 23
    
    One word, a rascal.
    1. semsemch
      
      -6
      
      27 June 2019 13: 58
      
      The Bolsheviks should somehow be punished for justifying the genocide of the population. And even more so it is necessary to punish for calls to deepen and expand this genocide.
      This is some kind of ghoul, not a user. I do not think that he is mentally problemless.
  3. A.Lex
    
    0
    
    27 June 2019 21: 48
    
    Ranaat! You should not have entered into a polemic with a provocateur and a liar ...
Oleg RB

+3

25 June 2019 20: 06

This article offends my feelings of unbelievers
Sapsan136

+7

25 June 2019 20: 24

And the death of Russian soldiers in the First World War and the Russo-Japanese is that a victim for the insanity of the royal family and courtiers, including priests ?! By the way, how faith in God is combined with spending on personal needs (gluttony, expensive cars, mansions) of parishioners' money, which, in my opinion, should be used to help the suffering (orphans, sick, old people), and not to make the priests float with fat in Mercedes and lived in luxurious mansions ...?! I look at such people and understand that these types of priests have nothing to do with God, this is a shame for the church ...
1. A.Lex
  
  +2
  
  26 June 2019 22: 05
  
  Here in the USSR, priests sat on "starvation rations" - it was there that they thought more about their direct "work".
  1. Pishenkov
    
    +2
    
    27 June 2019 00: 16
    
    ... well, they have rations in the USSR, according to my personal observations, I was not so hungry. In addition, many worked "for 2 rates" - for "Lord God" and for the Soviet authorities. And in the 90s and to other structures, it is banal to sell the secret of confession to the one who pays more. Such were, of course, and fortunately, not all and, I hope, not the majority, but there were ...
Anatoly Urs

+7

25 June 2019 20: 54

Apparently he has an excess of mind from the lack of churches in Russia. Already got these black lassians. So these ministers are bracing our people from real faith. And where is our main pop looking, dear father. Apparently the same, if not better.
Valeriy

+4

25 June 2019 21: 32

I hate priests. Miroedy filthy!
beeper

+4

25 June 2019 22: 52

Apparently, this priest banged hard (with his head on a lectern?), Since such his own (or is it not him, but the "circular" of the Holy Synod interprets this way ??!) Broadcasts the output ??!
It is clear that this "pepper in a cassock" does not believe in God at all, otherwise he would not have thought or said such a thing!
The selection for the seminary must be toughened up so that such disgusting (flock-from God!) "Ministers" are not even allowed near the pulpit!
Ivan Nikolsky

+2

26 June 2019 03: 12

How long will these blackbirds live at the expense of the people and poison their consciousness with their opium religion?
And the people are also good, they contain these freeloaders-idlers and still endure their bullying. And how did the language turn to say this with this "holy man"?
We live in the 21st century, half of the population has higher education, does anyone else really believe in some mythical "god"?
Vladai

+4

26 June 2019 05: 42

The closer to the church, the farther from God.
Our buried priests and all sorts of metropolitans have so discredited the Orthodox faith that they themselves generate more atheists. One of them, Chaplin, if not lying, generally called for the adoption of a dress code for women - almost a ruler to measure the length of skirts. But did this fat man at least once visit our nursing homes, orphanages, drug dispensaries, where 20-year-olds are? Where is the struggle for the souls of people?
Riding in jeeps worth several million, from gold on their clothes mumbled - probably all of them have scleosis. And Christ went to Calvary in one loincloth and walked around the world in a canvas shirt.
They sin by pederasty, by flocking pocket money, squeezing buildings in the center of Moscow and renting them out to tenants - firms.
They are sawing state money allocated under a separate item from the budget for the "restoration of temples and churches." And there is no reporting - the type is separated from the state.
The only structure left with the right to duty-free import of imported alcohol and cigarettes is the ROC.
I will not even remember how these ur odes passed the anointed of God Nicholas in 1917. And during the formation of the Soviet regime, they organized sabotage and sabotage through gangs organized by them from believers "for God, Tsar and Fatherland."
Now, the common people swollen from alcohol and sleep are now called the atheists who died for their homeland. S ... ka.
Wahler

+2

26 June 2019 06: 14

Obscurantism flourishes in Russia. The church is the same Satanists only on a large scale. We just die and worms eat us. Sadly, but not fabulously, but the priests always want to become oligarchs through other gates.
Panting

+4

26 June 2019 07: 17

A thinking atheist, living in conscience, does not understand how close he is to God, because he does good without expecting a reward, unlike believing hypocrites.

Hans Christian Andersen
1. Pishenkov
  
  +1
  
  27 June 2019 00: 09
  
  It is always a pleasure to learn something new. I understand, Vyacheslav, that the phrase is not yours, but I really thank you sincerely for it. I have not heard before. Probably you can’t tell about the modern church and all this around. And if Andersen said that, apparently it has always been that way ... or at least for quite some time.
Sergey Latyshev

+2

26 June 2019 09: 15

Yes, the Russian Orthodox Church joyfully licked everyone, starting with Prince Vladimir - him, the Mongols, Peter 1, the interim government, Stalin and Yeltsin - for real estate, money, benefits.
1. semsemch
  
  -4
  
  27 June 2019 00: 26
  
  Quote: Sergey Latyshev
  mongols
  
  Tartarus.
  Mongols in Mongolia. And the ancestors of the Russians were called tartars at one time.
  Yes, and by the way, the ROC with the Tartars was in contradiction, calling the period of their rule over Holy Russia (with the capital in Kiev) "yoke". The problem was that the Tartars were mostly Muslim. While the inhabitants of Holy Russia are mostly Orthodox.
  1. Sergey Latyshev
    
    -1
    
    27 June 2019 08: 45
    
    Oh, a new chronology!
    
    Someone believes in Hitler’s base near Antarctica, someone in tartar, someone in Scythians!
    
    The bourgeois paradise in the mind has finally arrived!
    1. semsemch
      
      -2
      
      27 June 2019 13: 20
      
      Quote: Sergey Latyshev
      Oh, a new chronology!
      
      Which is still new? The oldest one.
      Learn history and will also be in the know.
      
      Quote: Sergey Latyshev
      someone in tartar
      
      Check out one of the ancient maps:
      1. Sergey Latyshev
        
        0
        
        28 June 2019 09: 01
        
        These cards in the internet in bulk. Have you even considered this yourself?
        
        It is clearly written - Muscovites Europeans - in Europe.
        
        As with most - the countries of Europe, then Muscovy, then Tartaria - exactly on the site of the Siberian Khanate.
        
        Pishenkov
        
        +1
        
        28 June 2019 10: 49
        
        Sergei, this is not the "person" with whom it is worth discussing - a sick person, what to take from him ... He, in my opinion, does nothing else in life, only here on the site he trolls everyone, judging by the volume of his "comments". .. one joy in life ...
        
        The comment was deleted.
        
        semsemch
        
        -3
        
        28 June 2019 11: 01
        
        Quote: Sergey Latyshev
        These cards in the internet in bulk.
        
        And why do you ignore them then? And you call Great Tartary a "new chronology"?
        
        Quote: Sergey Latyshev
        It is clearly written - Muscovites Europeans - in Europe.
        
        And also written by Tartarie Moscovite. Did not notice?
        By the way, some comedian wrote to me that Muscovy is a name offensive for scoops. Here is a proof to him that no. Muscovites Europeans, this is European Muscovy. The name of the state is this. Muscovy Europeans were later occupied by the Grand Tartarie. Then, from the point of view of the Russian Orthodox Church, the yoke came to Muscovy Europeans. Since the Tartars were Muslims.
        
        Quote: Sergey Latyshev
        then Tartaria - exactly on the site of the Siberian Khanate.
        
        Grand Tartarie is more like a slightly trimmed USSR in Europe. But it is very advanced in Asia. As I wrote earlier, the border of Great Tartary with tea houses passed along the Great Wall of China. And the Chinese (so in Muscovy and later in Russia called the modern Mongols) were part of Tartaria. They, the Chinese, under the leadership of the tartars built this wall from raids of tea houses from the south.
        If you write Grand in Greek (Mogol), then just as it turns out Mogol Tartarie - Great Tartaria.
        And of course there were no "Mongols". There were tartars. And later, under Catherine, the Chinese were called Mongols. And they were appointed from the "conquerors of Russia". Which, of course, was nonsense - the Grand Tartarie metropolis was Tartarie Moscovite. Those. Tatar (Muslim) Muscovy.
        But Catherine II built the Third Christian Rome from Russia (she never completed it). And she didn't need the Muslim past of Muscovy. Therefore, she simply falsified history, stealing her history from Holy Russia (with its capital in Kiev) and attributing it to all of Russia. So the terrible Mongols appeared, who somehow galloped to the west on their horses and conquered everyone. Moreover, there are no such great events in Mongolian folklore. It is now found there "evidence of the great past." But this is just a tourist business, nothing interesting.
        Yes, and the Mongols did not leave their genes for several centuries in Muscovy and Russia. What simply could not be.
kriten

+4

26 June 2019 09: 45

Today, godlessness is in the church itself. They made the most profitable business out of the church (it’s without any taxes, everything is black). The costs of building the temples were transferred to the state, and they arrived. Therefore, they are offended that not everywhere they are allocated free places. This is understandable: what is important for business is location ... And since there was no god left in themselves, they began to drive such a blizzard more and more often. All to us, carry grandmas.