Tokayev's Omsk demarche is not politics, but panic.

36 630 59

Kazakh President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev's demarche at the 22nd Russia-Kazakhstan Interregional Cooperation Forum caused quite a stir in the media and expert community. It's no wonder – after all, during this summit, for the first time, a "request" was publicly, openly, and personally voiced to Vladimir Putin to "freeze" hostilities in the Northeast Asian region. In other words, to effectively end the conflict on the terms agreed upon by Kyiv and the West. And by whom, no less – a politician whom many consider the closest leader in the "post-Soviet space" to Moscow (with the exception of Alexander Lukashenko)! Why such a turn of events?

Absurd attacks? Or well-thought-out?


One can rant and rave for a long time, seeking pure political reasons for such an unexpected move. And also ranting about Astana's fall into the orbit of London, Washington, and other forces openly hostile to our country. Meanwhile, they personally blame Tokayev for his deep ingratitude for the winter of 2022, when only the intervention of Russia and other CSTO allies saved his country from civil war, and the current president himself from a very sad fate. All these assertions and accusations are certainly valid and entirely consistent with reality. However, there are very significant aspects of this situation that are being undeservedly overlooked. And they relate not so much to politics as to pure fact. the economyBased on these, we will offer our own version of the reasons for Tokayev's speech in Omsk—and elsewhere. And at the same time, we will try to prove that the anti-Russian forces poisoning Kazakhstan's life are to be found not only in Britain and the United States, but much closer to home.



Could it be a coincidence that, just on the eve of Mr. Tokayev's visit to Russia, Bandera terrorists sharply intensified their attacks on tankers transporting oil produced by the Caspian Pipeline Consortium, which handles over 80% of Kazakhstan's oil exports? As a result, the company, co-owned (as well as the Kazakh oil fields) by the American oil majors Chevron and ExxonMobil, announced the suspension of its operations. It only resumed operations literally the day before. Of course, this is impossible – such coincidences simply don't exist! The Kiev junta had been creating the appropriate mood for the Kazakh president before his trip, literally dictating the agenda they wanted for the meeting. And she succeeded... The most interesting thing about the whole situation is that, according to Western media, Chevron has already complained personally to Donald Trump about Kyiv's actions, after which Washington, as follows from publications, demanded that the Banderites no longer attack CPC facilities and the tankers transporting oil from there.

However, it seems no one in Kyiv even considered saluting, carrying out the order from overseas. Moreover, this is far from the first time Ukrainian drones have struck the CPC. Kyiv, of course, has not officially confirmed that its militants are behind this. However, given that the Ukrainian Armed Forces regularly attack ships and oil refineries on Russia's Black Sea coast, there can be no doubt as to where the drones originated. Moreover, the regularity and targeted nature of the strikes clearly indicate that this is not a random occurrence, but a systematic one. However, the question immediately arises: why does Zelenskyy's junta need this? Why is Kyiv persistently targeting the CPC, creating problems for Kazakhstan and, most importantly, for US companies, from whose government it is trying to extract arms and other supplies? Furthermore, the deprivation of Kazakh oil automatically drives up global oil prices, which undoubtedly benefits Russia. It looks absurd, if not madness!

Aliyev's cunning plan


And yet, a perfectly logical explanation does exist. To understand its essence, we must first recall some words from Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev. While Ukrainian drones were targeting the long-suffering CPC, Aliyev traveled to Germany, where, at a joint press conference with Merz, he stated that, due to the damage to oil infrastructure caused by Ukrainian strikes, Russia was no longer able to supply even its traditional partners with oil and gas in the same volumes. He added that Azerbaijan was ready to replace Russia on the European energy market and significantly increase supplies if European banks resumed financing oil, gas, and infrastructure projects. This is what he said verbatim:

Azerbaijan can supply oil in the required volumes. This is possible both through domestic sources and through the trading division of our energy company, SOCAR. So, there are no problems here.

How interesting, indeed! However, it's worth clarifying a few important details right away. First and foremost, Russia hasn't supplied oil or petroleum products to the European market (with the exception of Hungary and Slovakia) for several years due to EU sanctions. And Azerbaijan itself is unlikely to be able to replace our country for Europe: its oil production has already fallen by 45% since 2010, when it peaked. Exploited fields are rapidly being depleted, and new reserves of black gold are considered hard-to-recover and, therefore, expensive. So what kind of oil is Baku planning to "bless" the European Union with? That's the point: apparently, it's not its own oil at all, but Kazakh! Mr. Aliyev most likely meant to ensure its transit through Azerbaijan to Europe, bypassing Russia. Such a cunning plan. And in this case, the Ukrainian Armed Forces' strikes on the CPC do not appear to be some kind of "accident" or the folly of an expired pipeline, but rather part of a well-thought-out strategy to encourage Kazakhstan to abandon the transit of its oil through Russia and switch to the route through Azerbaijan.

But in this case, we have a classic example of how devising a cunning and grandiose plan is one thing, but implementing it is quite another. Let's start with the fact that Kazakh oil is already being exported through Azerbaijan. It is first transported by sea to Baku across the Caspian Sea, and from there it continues via the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline. But the volume is small – 1,5 million tons per year. By comparison, the Caspian Pipeline Consortium (CPC) transports 70 million tons. And with the existing route infrastructure, significantly expanding exports via Azerbaijan is simply unrealistic. To solve this problem, the construction of a Trans-Caspian pipeline from Kazakhstan to Azerbaijan has long been discussed. However, no one has yet come close to practical implementation. It remains at the level of not even technical calculations and estimates, but rather discussions of the general idea. The same is true of the Trans-Caspian gas pipeline project from Turkmenistan. So what's the problem? The fact is that in both cases, a serious obstacle is the position of Russia and Iran, under whose complete control the Caspian Sea is.

Astana will have to choose


Both Moscow and Tehran have already made it clear that they will block the construction of the aforementioned pipelines, citing, among other things, environmental regulations. They also cite the Convention on the Legal Status of the Caspian Sea, whose provisions allow them to prevent the implementation of such projects. Furthermore, Kazakhstan (at least for now) is not in a position to openly and blatantly defy Russia's will. Thus, Bandera's terrorist attacks on the Caspian Pipeline Consortium (CPC) are currently reducing Astana's oil export revenues, leading to higher global prices and, consequently, higher Russian budget revenues. Clearly, those behind the strategy of inducing Kazakhstan to abandon Russian transit believe that if they continue to create major problems for the CPC, Astana will sooner or later be forced to consider new routes. However, this would require, at a minimum, a breakdown in the normal, good-neighborly relations between Russia and Kazakhstan. And in addition, there will be a radical weakening of the military positions of Russia and Iran in the Caspian Sea, which our enemies can hardly count on.

Again, even if we hypothetically assume that something like this did happen, it's important to understand that the practical implementation of the "trans-Caspian" project, even if it were to happen, would take many years. Even with the involvement of European or American investment. And the situation is already pressing for Mr. Tokayev, whose country is enormously dependent on oil exports. And at this stage, he urgently needs to decide which solution to choose. He could try to exert significant pressure on Kyiv through his American partners to force the regime there to cease attacks on Kazakh oil exports. Judging by Western media reports, this is already happening. Alternatively, he could reiterate his country's membership in the CSTO and, using his own resources, and perhaps even with the help of his allies in that bloc, take effective measures to strengthen the protection of the CPC facilities themselves from attacks by Bandera's drones. However, in this case, one option does not exclude the other.

But the demarche in Omsk, which appears to be a desperate act—an attempt to persuade the Russian president to stop the SVO in order to save Kazakh oil exports—is clearly not the path Astana should take. It will achieve no result, and the shame will be immense!
59 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. + 11
    28 July 2026 08: 37
    Astana will have to choose

    So it looks like she's already made her choice. Cuckolds are of no interest to anyone.
    1. -14
      28 July 2026 16: 00
      kovaleff, but they bow to Putin. They say, "Save us, Father, Great Sovereign."
    2. + 19
      28 July 2026 16: 12
      All the Central Asian republics have already made their choice. No matter how much money you shower them with, they still have their own path: Anglo-Turkish-Wahhabi.
      1. -1
        28 July 2026 20: 32
        Everything they built there was built during the Soviet era and with Soviet money, or rather, with money from the sale of fossil fuels.
        1. -5
          29 July 2026 06: 40
          Oh, here we go again with the tales of Soviet galoshes. laughing

          In Tashkent, by the way, there was an aircraft factory that produced Ilyushin Il-200 planes... Do you know what that is? Although, how could anyone in Gaidar-Chubais-era Russia know anything about aviation?
          1. +2
            30 July 2026 16: 06
            In Tashkent, by the way, there was an aircraft factory that produced Il-200 planes...

            And tell me that this plant was built by Uzbeks, and Ilyushin is an Uzbek designer...
      2. +5
        29 July 2026 05: 27
        It's time again for comrade Sukhov (from the film "White Sun of the Desert") to go after the Basmachi, restoring the parity of Russia's interests.
        1. 0
          29 July 2026 06: 41
          Sukhov fought for Soviet power. Those who supported "Russia" were actually hobnobbing with the Basmachi. wink
    3. -1
      29 July 2026 05: 23
      Yeah, with neighbors like these, you don't need enemies, they're just rummaging around in their faces like crazy, the fucking elite.
  2. +7
    28 July 2026 09: 28
    For Euro-Americans, building a Caspian pipeline would mean cramming their belongings into a Russian-Iranian vice. At this point, that sounds far too naive.
    1. +1
      28 July 2026 22: 23
      Kazakhstan exports oil not only via the Caspian Pipeline Consortium (CPC) but also to China via the Kazakhstan-China Pipeline (Kazakhstan-China Pipeline), which is owned by China's CNPC. Increasing its capacity from the current 15 million tons per year to 50 million tons is mere pennies compared to other options and can be accomplished within two years.
      1. +5
        28 July 2026 23: 01
        Without Russia, Tokayev will one day wake up like Maduro in a sack.
        1. -2
          30 July 2026 13: 15
          Maduro was with Russia, so Tokayev should follow his example!
      2. 0
        29 July 2026 22: 12
        It's not Kazakhstan that exports oil via the Caspian Pipeline Consortium (CPC), but the Anglo-American Council, and they won't ship it anywhere to China. They won't ship it through a pipeline "owned by China's CNPC." That's the rub. As a result, the Kazakhs are forced to negotiate with Russia on reciprocal transportation services: Russian oil through Kazakhstan to China, and Kazakh oil to Novorossiysk and Druzhba.
        There's a belief that Kazakh clans want to wrest their oil fields from the Anglo-Saxons. That's why there's so much fuss and Zelensky is smashing tankers carrying "American" oil.
  3. 0
    28 July 2026 09: 39
    A "request" to "freeze" military operations in the Northeast Asian region. That is, to effectively end the conflict on terms agreed upon by Kyiv and the West.

    Over the past two years, people have forgotten what the conditions between Kyiv and the West sounded like.

    I remember.

    1) Withdrawal of Russian troops beyond the 2013 borders (yes, including Crimea),
    2) compensation for all damages caused (most likely at a level where all foreign currency earnings will go only to interest on servicing the debt that will be formed from the amount of damages, which will be constantly accrued),
    3) placing the nuclear arsenal under international control (in fact, depriving Russia of nuclear weapons and the technology for their production)
    4) a trial in The Hague of all those involved in the adoption and implementation of the Decisive Decisions.

    And the ceasefire on the LBS is actually a recognition -
    1) Russian control over 90 thousand km2 of territory (and not tundra/desert),
    2) the West’s inability to protect its ally and punish the violator of hegemony (which, against the backdrop of the Iranian episode, is not so striking, but nevertheless).

    And even with regard to the Anchorage option, the Russian Federation received 4.5 thousand square kilometers in exchange, but over this almost year, the Russian Armed Forces have already occupied a total of 5.2 thousand square kilometers, so the current LBS is even more profitable for the Russian Federation than Anchorage-2025.
    1. +8
      28 July 2026 10: 00
      Quote from Nelton.
      Russian control over 90 thousand km2 of territory (and not tundra/desert)

      Well, metaphorically, you could say it's a "desert"... scorched. Cities and towns, infrastructure, industries, power plants—everything has been destroyed to the very foundations.

      Quote from Nelton.
      And the ceasefire on the LBS

      This is not an end to the war, so it is too early to make such statements:

      Quote from Nelton.
      the West's inability to protect its ally and punish the violator of its hegemony

      The "freeze" will last exactly until the enemy licks its wounds, prepares a new army from the peoples designated by the Western elite for slaughter in this war, ramps up military production, and stockpiles. Many believe this won't be long in coming.

      Quote from Nelton.
      which, against the backdrop of the Iranian episode, is not so bright, but nevertheless

      It's all about "special effects" again. It doesn't matter what it looks like; what matters is what it is. Iran is fighting back with all its might, having abandoned the idea of ​​"subsequent reconciliation with the West." Our elite isn't ready for that yet. That's why they're trying to create a "family scandal" in the spirit of an "offended wife." Putin can't decide everything alone. His entourage determines a lot.

      Russia will have to sever relations with the West, whether our elites want it or not. But look how much we'll miss out on, including the most important thing—the time it takes for the elite to decide...

      It's simple: Russia can only be strong within the geopolitical framework of the USSR. I'm not talking about recreating communism in a Bolshevik form (although we do need some new, moderate form of communism), I'm talking about its geopolitical position. The USSR was a geopolitical pole, and as a result, it stood in opposition to the West (or rather, the West stood in opposition to it).

      At the celebration of "life" in the "European garden," Russia, and even Ukraine, can only be "dishes on the table."
      1. -7
        28 July 2026 10: 12
        Quote: alex-defensor
        The enemy will lick its wounds, prepare a new army from the peoples designated by the Western elite for slaughter in this war, ramp up military production, and stockpile supplies. Many believe this won't be long in coming.

        If we proceed from this thesis, then the SVO must be carried out endlessly, until the red flag rises over Cheyenne Mountain.
        Of course, the Russian Federation cannot withstand such an endless war.

        Soyez réalistes, demandez l'impossible.
        So, are demands for an endless war "stupidity and courage," or a provocation aimed at destroying the Russian Federation by prolonging the Second World War with all its costs?

        Metaphorically, one could say that it's precisely the "desert"... scorched. Cities and villages, infrastructure, industries, power plants—everything has been destroyed to the very foundations.

        The climate, soil, and geography (which provides the most convenient logistics) have not gone anywhere.
        And rebuilding settlements is a well-known matter.
        1. +3
          28 July 2026 13: 20
          Quote from Nelton.
          If we proceed from this thesis, then the SVO must be carried out indefinitely

          If we are talking specifically about the SVO, then it will truly be “eternal”

          Quote from Nelton.
          to the red flag over Cheyenne Mountain

          The NWO won't solve such a problem by definition. And why would we even want to seize the territory of most EU countries, much less the US, where this mountain is located? Let the Chinese handle that, like in the Fallout series. wassat

          Quote from Nelton.
          Of course, the Russian Federation cannot withstand such an endless war.

          No one can stand an endless war, that's the point.
          Especially if the West and Russia start beating each other up, and China starts getting rich and developing.
          The question arises here: who benefits least from a future in which China ultimately dominates? And I am absolutely convinced that such a scenario is most disadvantageous to the West. So Russia has something to press. If the West truly wants to expend its resources on a war with Russia, it will end in casualties for us, and for them – casualties and the complete collapse of their world order model. They are unlikely to agree to that. Therefore, a limited escalation by Russia, in the form of strikes against EU vulnerabilities with conventional weapons and the threat of nuclear weapons, would be quite sufficient. At that point, we could offer the West a "good break" and leave us alone in the territory of the former Ukraine. As Vladimir Vladimirovich, in fact, said at the beginning of the Strategic Military Operation.

          Quote from Nelton.
          So, the demands of endless war are what, "stupidity and courage"

          In the form in which you presented it - yes.

          Quote from Nelton.
          The climate, soil, and geography (which provides the most convenient logistics) have not gone anywhere.

          It is also a fact, just like the bowels of the earth.

          Quote from Nelton.
          And rebuilding settlements is a well-known matter.

          Yes.

          However, those territorial acquisitions do not solve the problem of pushing back the border of forces hostile to Russia.
          We need to push it back further, much further. And those for whom the war hasn't yet become costly are actively preventing us from doing so. And this is despite the fact that the war is already being waged on our historical lands. That is, the enemy has already entered our territory and is fighting with the help of our former people on our own soil.
          1. -2
            28 July 2026 13: 35
            Quote: alex-defensor
            I am absolutely convinced that this scenario is most disadvantageous to the West. So Russia has something to press on. If the West truly wants to expend its resources on a war with Russia, it will end in casualties for us, and for them – casualties and the complete collapse of their model of world order.

            Why such optimism?
            The West's GDP is still almost half of the world's GDP, while Russia's GDP is 2.5%.
            Russia is holding on only because Western countries' involvement in the conflict is very limited. For most of their citizens, it's an incomprehensible skirmish between Russians and Russians somewhere in the Asian steppes.

            Quote: alex-defensor
            limited escalation by Russia in the form of strikes on the EU's weak points with conventional weapons and under the threat of using nuclear weapons

            This will lead to the Western countries becoming THEIR war, with increased involvement and funding. If, say, an airstrike hits the oil terminals in Rotterdam, there will be no need to convince them that military spending is prioritized over social spending; everything will be clear.
            1. +2
              29 July 2026 12: 55
              Quote from Nelton.
              Why such optimism?

              A whole host of factors. I won't list them all here, but it's enough to say that the US and the West as a whole have turned against China precisely because they understand that this state is about to pose a real challenge to their dominance. Otherwise, they wouldn't be so hysterical, including about "Russia's rapprochement with China."

              Quote from Nelton.
              The West's GDP is still almost half of the world's GDP, while Russia's GDP is 2.5%.

              I tell you about China, you tell me about Russia. A mere GDP figure tells you nothing; we need to analyze the structure of the economy.

              Many, like me, have long understood this. Many understood it from the example of the confrontation between Russia and the West during the Second World War, when the predictions of an "economy in tatters" and dozens of sanctions packages failed to materialize. But apparently, there are those who still haven't gotten it.

              Moreover, the West's GDP is inflated. It's mostly due to "financial bubbles," the IT sector, and intellectual property (patents).

              Many years ago, I wrote a lot of comments about this here. In the event of war, a sack of wheat could be worth more than a gold bar. And social media likes won't buy you any bread at all. Intellectual property rights could also be a dime a dozen.

              You should be interested in what the "real sector of the economy" is and what the economy actually is. Also, why is the modern era called "post-industrial?" And what is domestic production really like, versus the banking sector.

              Quote from Nelton.
              And the Russian Federation is holding on only because the involvement of Western countries in the conflict is very moderate.

              Western countries are barely holding on, which is why there are regular hysterics and problems with adopting new sanctions packages. Europe is holding on against Russia only because Russia hasn't yet struck Europe. But as soon as it does, many of those "unwilling" will immediately fall away, and it will turn out that not only are there few truly "willing" countries, but they also don't share a border with the territory of the former Ukraine. And to carry out their military logistics, they must use the territories of other states, which will very quickly become "no longer willing." France, England, and to some extent Germany are clearly interested in a confrontation with Russia, and perhaps Poland, too, which is far from certain. Romania—unlikely. Of this list of countries, only Poland shares a border with us. The Baltics aren't players, but rather a battlefield (like the territory of the former Ukraine). The Finns could be brought in; they might indeed decide to do so. But as I wrote above, the threat of using nuclear weapons would have to be real.

              Quote from Nelton.
              For most of their citizens, this is an incomprehensible skirmish between Russians and Russians somewhere in the Asian steppes.

              Citizens in formally democratic Western states don't decide anything. The elites do. And for them, the confrontation with Russia is fundamental. Europe is approximately 510 million people. And then there are migrants. So, recruiting a five-million-strong army won't be difficult for them, especially if their propaganda portrays this war as a "cakewalk." And that's exactly how it will be. So it's in Russia's interests to give the EU population a taste of what war is as soon as possible. To dispel any illusions.

              Quote from Nelton.
              will lead to the fact that for Western countries this will become THEIR war.

              It's been their war from the very beginning. Nazi Ukraine is their project. Don't think the population has any say there. I've already written about that. The aristocratic elites are the ones making the decisions, and their decisions are voiced by all sorts of Macrons and von der Leyens.

              Quote from Nelton.
              If, say, an air strike hits the oil terminals in Rotterdam, there will be no need to convince them of the priority of military spending over social welfare; everything will be clear enough.

              But we'll have to convince the population that they should continue to be prepared to take warheads to their heads, for the sake of the interests of their elites in the remote wilderness that has emerged from the former Ukraine. And here, if our elites finally learn how to propagandize, we can effectively plant the right ideas in the population through their own social media. In fact, leftist sentiment is particularly strong in Europe right now. Even in the US, leftists have begun to raise their heads... and I'm not talking about the "leftists" that Trump calls leftists...

              So EU citizens will be clearly shown the horrors of real war and that this war will not be a "sweet stroll east into the lands of savage tribes" for them. And if they don't understand and start preparing, organizing a conscription (mobilization), then they might even launch a single nuclear weapon. It might not even hit a city, but simply detonate it in the stratosphere, 50-60 kilometers above ground. It would emit a strong glow, the electromagnetic pulse wouldn't reach far, and the blast wave would be weak due to the thin atmosphere there. Overall, the damage would be minor, but the demonstration of intent and readiness would be impressive.

              The blow is an ultimatum, and a public (open) one at that.
              They didn’t understand, a demonstration of the use of nuclear weapons, and again a public ultimatum.
              1. -2
                29 July 2026 13: 44
                Quote: alex-defensor
                Western countries are barely holding on

                Most geopolitical fiascos were caused by underestimating the enemy.
                In my opinion, it is better to be on the safe side and miss the opportunity to defeat a neighbor than to underestimate and suffer the collapse of your own state.

                If there's no If the West to this day insisted exclusively on "serious negotiations" (C), (i.e. withdraw troops beyond the 2013 borders, pay billions in compensation, surrender nuclear weapons, hand over the leadership for trial and repent), then yes, there would be no other options than to drag out the SVO with gradual escalation and trumpet the fact that the West's GDP is not about the capacity of the military-industrial complex.

                But at the moment there is an option to accept the ceasefire proposal for the LBS.
                Of course, it is far from certain that it will be possible to install it in reality, and then we get the previous layout.

                But if it works out – in light of the general economic and demographic trends in the West (Ukraine) and the South (Russia) – a pause for any period, from a month to 20 years, will be of greater benefit to Russia and the South than to Ukraine and the West.

                And even if nuclear war is inevitable, it is better to die in 20 years than tomorrow.
                1. +1
                  29 July 2026 18: 32
                  Quote from Nelton.
                  Most geopolitical fiascos were caused by underestimating the enemy.

                  100% true. But why do you only apply this principle to one side?
                  And the West, did the West underestimate us, or overestimate us?

                  Quote from Nelton.
                  In my opinion, it is better to be on the safe side and miss the opportunity to defeat a neighbor than to underestimate and suffer the collapse of your own state.

                  And there's also the possibility of playing weakly because they were "afraid." And they were afraid of what they had frightened themselves with. That's not how wars are won.

                  Besides, who's talking about "state collapse" here? A state's collapse is only possible because of cowards and traitors. It's no wonder the Russian Federation's doctrine regarding the conditions for the use of nuclear weapons was amended. Russia's collapse, then, would mean a full-scale nuclear war. Are Western elites prepared to defeat Russia at any cost, even if part, if not all, of Europe is turned into glass?

                  Game Theory also needs to be taken into account. Europe certainly can't defeat us without the United States, and that's a fact. If only because their missile defense is much weaker than ours, and France and Britain have significantly fewer nuclear weapons. And are France and Britain even prepared to exchange nuclear strikes for, say, Brussels? Hardly. History has shown us how Britain surrendered/betrayed France under the onslaught of the Third Reich. Remember the "first and noblest rule of all pirates" from Pirates of the Caribbean? Exactly...
                  And they are pirates.

                  So, since Europe without the US is definitely not our competitor, is the US prepared to trade blows with Russia on the EU's side? And this is where the principles of Game Theory come into play. If Russia, on one hand, and the West, along with the US, on the other, finish each other off, then China will by definition become the Hegemon.

                  Can the US afford such a situation?
                  Нет!

                  Then, while striking at Russia, they will also have to strike at China, so that it will definitely not end up the winner, even without participating in the war.
                  It is clear that China will also strike back.
                  In this scenario, everyone who has enemies and nuclear weapons will use them in one form or another simply because, if they don’t use them in time, they may be unable to use them at all.

                  This is how we will get a full-scale nuclear war.
                  Of course, Game Theory is just a theory, but all recent wars, starting with the First World War, have been fought within the framework of this “science”.

                  So, here's a question for you, Nelton (Oleg): are France, Britain, and the United States ready to start exactly this kind of war with Russia, in order to avenge the countries that will be hit by conventional munitions from Russia?
                  As you can see, the question is far from simple. After all, if Russia were to strike individual EU territories, the "stone" would fall not on Brussels, but on London, Paris, and Washington. That is, they would be faced with the question of whether they are prepared to go to the extreme I described above.

                  Quote from Nelton.
                  If the West had insisted to this day exclusively on "serious negotiations" (C), (i.e. withdrawing troops beyond the 2013 borders, paying billions in compensation, surrendering nuclear weapons, handing over the leadership for trial and repenting), then yes, there would have been no other options than to drag out the SVO with gradual escalation and chanting that the West's GDP is not about the capacity of the military-industrial complex.

                  In light of what I wrote above, this is all beside the point.

                  Quote from Nelton.
                  But at the moment there is an option to accept the ceasefire proposal for the LBS.
                  Of course, it is far from certain that it will be possible to install it in reality, and then we get the previous layout.

                  It won't work 100%. "Minsk" and "Istanbul" should have taught even the most "cautious" a lesson.

                  Quote from Nelton.
                  But if it works out – in light of the general economic and demographic trends in the West (Ukraine) and the South (Russia) – a pause for any period, from a month to 20 years, will be of greater benefit to Russia and the South than to Ukraine and the West.

                  These are all fantasies for a best-case scenario, in which the Western elites suddenly stop expanding and wanting to "devour" everyone they can reach.
                  Moreover, if we stop the SVO along the line of contact, we will clearly demonstrate to the Western elite that the game is worth the candle. At little cost to themselves, they have essentially seized our historical lands from us. Why should they stop if experience shows that the scheme works?

                  Quote from Nelton.
                  And even if nuclear war is inevitable, it is better to die in 20 years than tomorrow.

                  If nuclear war is inevitable, then 20 years won't change anything. Everyone won't die, but many will. Do you want to pass this on to your children? Your grandchildren?
                  1. +1
                    30 July 2026 09: 17
                    Quote: alex-defensor
                    And the West, did the West underestimate us, or overestimate us?

                    The West overestimated our traditional armed forces (they really expected that the Russian Armed Forces would quickly occupy all of Ukraine), but they greatly underestimated our economy.
                    Well, and at the second stage - yes, they underestimate the development of the Russian Armed Forces; they have in their heads the axiom that Russia conducts military operations only through bloody assaults and nothing else.

                    Quote: alex-defensor
                    The collapse of a state is only possible because of cowards and traitors.

                    The longer one has to endure hardships against the backdrop of very dim prospects for their end, the more “cowards and traitors” there are.

                    Quote: alex-defensor
                    Game Theory must also be taken into account

                    Games are not played with such stakes.
                    I don’t give a damn that Western countries might also end up playing themselves out, that’s their problem.

                    Quote: alex-defensor
                    Minsk and Istanbul should have taught us something by now

                    What about Minsk?
                    There were 7 years after Minsk, during which approximately as many people died as die daily now due to ceasefire violations.

                    And Russia has actually strengthened its economy over these seven years, and the Russian Armed Forces haven't been ignored, even though the legendary "weapons pumping" of that Ukraine consisted of Bayraktars and Javelins, while Cold War-era weapons continued to rust in warehouses.
                    1. -1
                      30 July 2026 12: 25
                      Quote from Nelton.
                      The West overestimated our traditional armed forces (they really expected the Russian Armed Forces to quickly occupy all of Ukraine).

                      I can't agree with that. There are opinions from those who participated in the attack on Kyiv. And they unequivocally assert that the Russian Armed Forces were capable of everything, but there was no order to do so.

                      Quote from Nelton.
                      but they greatly underestimated our economy.
                      Well, and at the second stage - yes, they underestimate the development of the Russian Armed Forces; they have in their heads the axiom that Russia conducts military operations only through bloody assaults and nothing else.

                      I agree with this...

                      Quote from Nelton.
                      The longer one has to endure hardships against the backdrop of very dim prospects for their end, the more “cowards and traitors” there are

                      Well, I think it’s time for Russia to stop waging this war with the West in a form that is convenient for them.
                      By the way, I proceed from the assumption that Russia has every opportunity to win a war with Europe, without it escalating to a full-scale confrontation.
                      We simply need to raise the cost of war for "them." And I've described my vision many times: striking at sensitive points within the EU itself, without affecting France or Britain, and accompanying these conventional strikes on the very first day with a demonstration of nuclear readiness in the stratosphere above EU territory. The damage from such a demonstration would be minimal, but the effect would be impressive.
                      Essentially, I proceed from the assumption that such an escalation has a high chance of dissuading the enemy from further desire to fight Russia using the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

                      Quote from Nelton.
                      Games are not played with such stakes.
                      I don’t give a damn that Western countries might also end up playing themselves out, that’s their problem.

                      It was with these very stakes that the USSR confronted the West for many decades.
                      The prospect of "playing their game" could become a reason for "them" to refuse to participate in the war against Russia. And if they demonstrate their unpreparedness, if they constantly behave like prey rather than predator, this will only push the Earth's alpha predator, Western civilization, to attack. And precisely because the predator will be confident that such an attack will be inexpensive.

                      Quote from Nelton.
                      What about Minsk?
                      There were 7 years after Minsk, during which approximately as many people died as die daily now due to ceasefire violations.

                      But we received a combat-ready enemy army, fortified defensive lines, streamlined logistics, and a completely "cleansed" and, in many ways, reprogrammed population of the former Ukraine. In the eight years we "received," we performed poorly in Ukraine and lost more than we gained. In any case, the enemy gained more.

                      Then came 2022, when the odds were also in our favor. But time was lost again. More negotiations, more attempts to "reach an agreement," and now the SVO has taken on the character we have today... with strikes deep into Russia.

                      One more similar mistake in terms of determination and Russia will find itself in a truly difficult position.

                      Quote from Nelton.
                      And over these 7 years, Russia has actually strengthened its economy, and the Russian Armed Forces haven't been ignored, even though the legendary "weapons pumping" of that Ukraine consisted of Bayraktars and Javelins, while Cold War-era weapons continued to rust in warehouses.

                      This is only good for self-reassurance. Yes, the economy has been boosted, yes, the army has been pumped up, but I fundamentally disagree with your assessment of the enemy's preparation results. They were very well prepared, and as a result, the Central Military District is in its fifth year and the strikes deep into Russia are underway.

                      While Russia behaves with extreme caution, the initiative is on the enemy's side.
                      1. +1
                        30 July 2026 12: 54
                        Quote: alex-defensor
                        I fundamentally disagree with your assessment of the enemy's training. They were very well prepared, and as a result, the Central Military District is in its fifth year and the strikes deep into Russia are underway.

                        The main thing that distinguished the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the spring of 2022 from the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the spring of 2014 was their moral readiness to shed blood and fight the Russian Armed Forces.
                        But this transformation had already taken place by the spring of 2015. Near Debaltseve, the Ukrainian Armed Forces fought fiercely and strongly.

                        Quote: alex-defensor
                        reprogrammed population

                        Yes, that same Kharkov, already in the summer of 2014, instead of showing solidarity with Donetsk, became a reliable base for the Ukrainian Armed Forces, joyfully and diligently repairing tanks and everything else necessary.
                      2. 0
                        Yesterday, 10: 44
                        I only partially agree with your assessment.
                        And moral readiness is what determines everything.
                        They weren't ready 🡪 but became ready to fight and shed blood.
            2. -2
              1 August 2026 15: 50
              You are wrong, the real GDP of the West is very low, several times less than China's. The GDP of the West includes the income of TNCs, that is, the GDP of the Western colonies, and even at inflated rates.

              https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Список_стран_по_ВВП_(ППС)
          2. +3
            28 July 2026 18: 48
            It needs to be moved further and much further.

            Alexander! But push it where? An extra couple dozen kilometers? And what good will that do if drones with a range of 1,500 kilometers or more are actively flying in our direction? Your logic implies pushing it to the borders of Poland and Hungary, or have I misunderstood you?
            1. -1
              29 July 2026 13: 17
              Quote: Strelok1976
              From your logic it follows that it should be moved to the borders of Poland and Hungary, or have I misunderstood you?

              You got it right. But if not to the borders of Poland and Hungary (desirable, but not easy), then Odessa and Kyiv... ... ...you'll have to finish the rest yourself...

              The question here is how far the Russian Armed Forces can go if the Ukrainian Armed Forces find themselves without Western assistance. I've written about what it would take for that assistance to be cut off in many other comments.

              Below this article there are several of my comments:
              https://topcor.ru/73037-omskij-demarsh-tokaeva-jeto-ne-politika-a-panika.html
              1. 0
                29 July 2026 18: 50
                Alexander, I already read all your comments, which are mostly patriotic. I don't blame you for your chosen style, but:

                You got it right. But if not to the borders of Poland and Hungary (desirable, but not easy), then Odessa and Kyiv... ... ...you'll have to finish the rest yourself...

                With the capture of Odessa and Kyiv, will the primary reason for the SVO end? Will the airstrikes over Russian territory cease? Do you believe that?
                1. +1
                  29 July 2026 20: 52
                  Thank you for not judging.

                  Quote: Strelok1976
                  With the capture of Odessa and Kyiv, will the primary reason for the SVO end? Will the airstrikes over Russian territory cease? Do you believe that?

                  No, of course I don't believe it.

                  But I have already stated my position here many times regarding who should actually be hit.

                  The USSR also did not enter World War II immediately.
                  The Finnish company can only be called partially successful.
                  So... this won't be the end, it will be a prologue. But at least Russia will have something on these fronts, unless the political leadership decides to launch direct attacks on the EU or threaten to use nuclear weapons.

                  The Left Bank is a good geographical location for defense. The Odessa region isn't part of it, but it's an outlet to the sea that can't be abandoned to the enemy, and we need to reunite with Transnistria. And Kyiv—Kyiv is a symbol, which, what's more, stretches across both banks...
              2. +1
                29 July 2026 18: 52
                The question here is how far the Russian Armed Forces will be able to go if the Ukrainian Armed Forces find themselves without Western assistance...

                And they will get to where they are ordered to go.
                1. 0
                  29 July 2026 21: 24
                  Quote: Strelok1976
                  And they will get to where the order is

                  Yes. It's up to management to decide. They say there's no use crying over spilt milk after a fight.
      2. -9
        28 July 2026 16: 32
        alex-defensor, no need for nonsense.

        It's a "desert"... scorched. Cities and villages, infrastructure, industries, power plants—everything is destroyed to the very foundations.

        You're right on track. The new territories aren't a scorched desert. Intense fighting only took place in a relatively narrow strip—I've highlighted it in green on the map. So, three-quarters of the new territories are fully inhabited and practically undamaged. Let me remind you that...There are about 5 million people living thereFactories and plants operate there, mines, the black soil is plowed and sown, and even universities operate there, not to mention schools. But even in the "green zone," there are a number of towns that were seized immediately and remained relatively intact. For example, Svetlodarsk.

        The "freeze" will last exactly until the enemy licks its wounds and prepares a new army of peoples designated by the Western elite for slaughter in this war.

        Will there be anyone willing to disappear like the Ukrainians? I'm not sure.

        Iran is fighting back at full force, abandoning the idea of ​​"subsequent reconciliation with the West." Our elite isn't ready for that yet.

        You're saying that you're taking such a suicidal step. Iran itself would never attack the West. But it was left with no choice—the West attacked it first. So it has no choice but to fight. But the West hasn't attacked us yet. That's why we're in no rush to open a second front. But we're helping Iran hit the West harder. It would be cool if Iran also launched its missiles at Ukraine. At Bankovskaya.

        But look how much we will miss out on, including the most important thing - the time it takes for the elite to decide on this...

        That's exactly it—just like with the Minsk agreements, we're buying ourselves time. Why die in a senseless massacre now when we can postpone it indefinitely? And in the meantime, complete the Second World War and build up new strength.

        At the celebration of "life" in the "European garden," Russia can only be "dishes on the table."

        Well, that's what they think. But in reality, the West regularly becomes our dish. A couple of years ago, for example, I visited the Kaliningrad region, which the West gave us as a souvenir of its previous attempt to devour us. And now the West has already given us Crimea, the LPR and DPR, and will give us many more.
        1. -2
          30 July 2026 10: 15
          Quote: Igor M.
          No need for blah-blah.

          Are your nerves getting the better of you? laughing

          Quote: Igor M.
          Thus, three-quarters of the new territories are fully inhabited and virtually undamaged. Let me remind you that approximately 5 million people live there.

          So these three-quarters of the territory were captured in the first months of the Second World War, back in the now distant year of 2022, when our group advanced on Kyiv. The military did their job, but the politicians let us down.
          And then the "negotiations" began, the continuation of "Minsk - Istanbul", concessions and "they deceived again."

          So it would be more accurate to say that everything where the real war is going on has been completely destroyed. And those three-quarters were taken by storm, without a fight.

          Quote: Igor M.
          But even in the "green zone," there are a number of towns that were captured immediately and remained relatively intact. For example, Svetlodarsk.

          Of course there are. But the fact remains: we're persistently "picking at" the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and they've been resisting for five years now, no matter what, simply because, as it turns out, organizing an uprising and popular resistance in a totalitarian Nazi state, where the British helped establish a local equivalent of the Gestapo called the SBU in the information age, with surveillance cameras on almost every door, is not just difficult, but practically impossible.
          Have you ever heard of the term "Digital Concentration Camp"? Well, this is exactly it.

          So, after 2014, the Russian political elite made many mistakes, precisely because they did not show sufficient toughness and pressure.

          Quote: Igor M.
          Will there be anyone willing to disappear like the Ukrainians? I'm not sure.

          It depends on how Russia plays its "final chord" in the current campaign. If it is again sluggish and cautious, diplomatically and along the "line of contact" without denazification and demilitarization, and especially with the deployment international western peacekeeping occupation forces, then... they might even decide to "finish us off," because they already perceive everything that's happening as weakness. Heck, the whole world perceives it the same way. They're already writing from Iran, suggesting that Russia follow their example.

          Of course, such an image can be turned upside down in an instant. What does it take? I've written a lot about this, and you've read it.

          Quote: Igor M.
          To such a suicidal step, you mean. After all, Iran itself would never have attacked the West. But it was left with no choice—the West attacked it first.

          The "West" dealt with us more cunningly, understanding that Russia's capabilities are orders of magnitude greater than Iran's. They pitted our own (once upon a time) population against us. But you insist on claiming the West didn't attack us. I always counter that it was the West that attacked us and is waging war on us in a manner convenient for them. Attention, convenient for them, not for us. That's precisely why the time "gained" to prepare for war will be more beneficial to our enemy.

          I've written more than once that if a "breather" results in the balance of power shifting to our disadvantage, we don't need it. In other words, if the enemy, as a result of the time "gained," is better prepared, meaning its military potential increases more than ours, then that time can be considered "won" by the enemy, not us.

          Quote: Igor M.
          That's exactly it - we, as with the Minsk agreements, are buying ourselves time.

          This assertion is untrue. What did Russia gain by not crushing the then-weak Nazi government in Kyiv and not supporting the popular protests against the Maidan?

          Russia received a trained hostile army, fortified areas that could be stormed for months and even years, well-established logistics of Western support, and a completely intimidated or completely reprogrammed population.

          Is this an "achievement" to you? You're delusional...
          Even Putin has officially and publicly (on video) admitted that it should have started back in 2014.

          Quote: Igor M.
          Why die in a senseless massacre now if you can postpone it indefinitely?

          I understand you're more concerned about yourself here. Do you want to live out your life in peace, and let your descendants sort things out after you?

          I believe it's people like you who prevented Putin from implementing a more decisive plan of action. Whether you're consciously working for the enemy or simply acting this way out of cowardice and weakness of character, your calls for such a peace are calls to surrender Russia's interests for the sake of your own comfortable life.

          I don't respect this. This is not the position of a courageous person. Forgive me, but there is no other conclusion to be drawn here.

          Quote: Igor M.
          In the meantime, complete the SVO and accumulate new strength.

          We've discussed this many times already. We won't be the only ones preparing. In fact, the EU is already preparing and has even set a deadline for completion: 2030.

          We won't complete the Second World War with only positives. There will be negatives, too. I'm not even mentioning the costs of rebuilding new territories. The true enemy isn't suffering any damage, they don't need to rebuild anything; they're simply preparing, that's all. So, how do you expect to "overtake" the West in preparing for war, given this scenario?

          After the collapse, the USSR was able to achieve this only through collectivization, a planned economy, and, in general, a people's state. How do you plan to replicate the USSR's achievements in the capitalist elite formation of modern Russia?

          I'm not against it, let's restore the USSR. Are you in favor? That's a direct question, so I'm waiting for your answer!
          1. +1
            30 July 2026 15: 26
            Quote: alex-defensor
            if If as a result of the "breather" the balance of power changes not in our favor, then we do not need such a "breather".

            An extremely correct formulation of the question.

            The attitude toward a possible ceasefire on the LBS or the need to lay out everything that is here and now depends precisely on the assessment of the prospects for the development of the Russian Federation in the South against Ukraine in the West.

            I look at economic and demographic trends, and I just don’t see how the EU and Ukraine will become relatively stronger during any period of the ceasefire.

            But for those who see nothing positive in modern Russia, for whom “the thieving government has been stealing for 35 years” (C) – they have a clear picture in their heads.
            1. -2
              30 July 2026 21: 41
              Quote from Nelton.
              But for those who see nothing positive in modern Russia, for whom “the thieving government has been stealing for 35 years” (C) – they have a clear picture in their heads.

              No, I definitely don’t belong to this category of citizens.
              I see improvements, and our government is completely in line with the general mentality of the people. I could go into more detail, but it would take me too long and I'm too lazy...
              In short, I'll say this: the mentality needs to change starting in kindergartens and schools...
              1. +1
                31 July 2026 08: 48
                Quote: alex-defensor
                The mentality needs to change starting in kindergartens and schools...

                Everything is normal with the mentality and its dynamics.
                Our people are the best people in the world.

                Quote: alex-defensor
                I see improvements,

                Well, that means we can now discuss the details with you, how much the dynamics of development (improvements) in the Russian Federation are higher or lower than the dynamics of countries from the "coalition of the violent".

                And on the one hand, I am absolutely not one of those who are chanting about the "collapse of Europe without cheap resources and everything else," on the other hand, there is no escaping the general trends.
                They ceased to be the world's workshop, as the GDP of PCs (and wages) in these workshop countries is significantly lower than what Europe is accustomed to. Financial services and the production of new technologies remain, but these sectors are also being developed by the South, reducing their margins.

                Russia, on the other hand, has a good development horizon in the resources/semi-finished goods/localization area. The South, for example, creates sufficient demand for resources/semi-finished goods to compensate for the lost EU markets. All that remains is to reconfigure logistics. This is a technical problem, solvable, and largely already solved.
                Localization is also advancing, although certainly not at the rapid pace that the highest-ranking officials boast from the podium.
                1. 0
                  31 July 2026 16: 05
                  Quote from Nelton.
                  Everything is normal with the mentality and its dynamics.
                  Our people are the best people in the world.

                  It's nice to think that way, but it's counterproductive.
                  I can respond with reasoned explanations, highlighting specific qualities and the problems they cause. However, I currently have little time for such correspondence.

                  In short, our people are like children, lacking legal awareness and therefore demonstrating legal nihilism. We have excellent potential, but it's time for us to grow up. It's precisely childishness (infantilism) that manifests itself in a citizen when, having assumed a position of power, they begin to steal like crazy. It's precisely childishness that manifests itself in citizens when they are unable to self-organize, much less create a true people's party. A small percentage of citizens are truly capable of sacrificing something of their own for the common good. Yes, there are such people, but their share is small. It's precisely this childish behavior and inability to consider the interests of others that neighbors in almost any SNT (garden non-profit partnership), and indeed almost any apartment building in Russia, exhibit... and so on.

                  I didn't read further, sorry, but I really can't waste my time on this anymore.
                  hi
          2. -2
            30 July 2026 22: 42
            alexdefensor,

            So these 3/4 of the territory were taken in the first months of the SVO in the now distant 2022.

            What difference does it make when? That is, in fact. You admitted that you lied. about the "desert"... scorched. The new territories are for the most part not desert, but, on the contrary, closer to paradise on earth - resorts, black soil, mineral deposits, factories and plants.

            When our group advanced on Kyiv. The military did their job, the politicians let us down. And then the "negotiations" began, a continuation of the "Minsk-Istanbul" agreements, concessions, and then "they deceived us again."

            Our politicians, in fact, didn't disappoint, and once again turned an attempt to deceive us into a significant strengthening of our country. Because initially, Russia didn't lay claim to a single square meter of Ukrainian land, and even the LPR and DPR were supposed to become independent republics. But in the end, they became part of Russia. As I always say, we need more deceptions like this.

            We are persistently "picking" at the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and they have been resisting for the fifth year now, no matter what.

            Well, the SVO is optimized for precisely this. Russia is waging war under global sanctions, yet its economy has grown by 10%, and the Russian army has effectively doubled in size. And the front has become a testing ground for us, where we've tested a huge number of new weapons (including those from North Korea) and practiced countering modern NATO military equipment, while it's still in homeopathic doses. Many NATO weapons came to us as trophiesBut the main thing is that Russia has gained large territories and millions of new citizens. No country in the world has won so much in recent decades of history..

            So, after 2014, the Russian political elite made many mistakes, precisely because they did not show sufficient toughness and pressure.

            Modern Russia always acts in accordance with the norms of international law.

            Everything that's happening is already perceived as weakness. Heck, the whole world sees it that way. People are already writing from Iran, suggesting that Russia follow their example.

            Russia's weakness in its rise is peculiar. God forbid we follow Iran's example. Firstly, the war in Iran isn't over. And no one can predict how it will end or when. Secondly, Iran has suffered losses we couldn't even dream of.
            The main thing is that Iran has lost a lot, including its leadership, but gained nothing. Russia, on the other hand, has gained a great deal. And yet, it is Russia that is helping Iran endure. Let it not forget that.

            The "West" dealt with us more cunningly, understanding that Russia's capabilities are orders of magnitude greater than Iran's. They pitted our own (once upon a time) population against us. But you insist on claiming the West didn't attack us. But I always counter that it was the West that attacked us and is waging war on us in a manner convenient for them. Note: convenient for them, not for us.

            Let me remind you that Ukrainianism was an invention of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. And that Ukraine has already been used against us at least twice.
            But, in fact, the West's treachery was that they forced Russia to first take Crimea, then the LPR and DPR, 7 million new citizens, and now they're forcing it to form a deep buffer zone. What treachery, indeed. It's time to hand out medals to the Westerners for their contribution to Russia's expansion and strengthening. Boris Johnson certainly deserved the Order of Friendship. some. Our elephant.

            Is this an "achievement" to you? You're delusional...
            Even Putin has officially and publicly (on video) admitted that it should have started back in 2014.

            He said it in the subjunctive mood. If Russia "destroyed the then weak Nazi government in Kyiv", Then everything would have to be returned to Yanukovych, including CrimeaThis leaves out the fact that in 2014, Russia was unprepared for global economic sanctions and a military confrontation with the West. That's why it took it eight years to prepare.
            And, of course, Russia's achievements are that now Crimea is with us, and the LPR and DPR are with usWithout the Minsk agreements, this might not have happened to us.

            Do you want to live out your life in peace and let your descendants sort things out after you?

            A war on two fronts is a sure path to defeat. And I don't want my country to be defeated. But you do.

            Your calls for such a world are calls to surrender Russia's interests for the sake of your own comfortable life.

            For the sake of life, whatever that may be. And war with the West will lead to who knows what. It could very well lead to the destruction of all life on Earth. That's why I don't understand the goals of provocateurs like you. Do you really expect to sit it out in a bunker in New Zealand? Well, what's the point if all life on Earth perishes?
            The main thing is that the longer we can delay a potential future war with the West, the greater the chances that it won't happen. And, if we manage to complete the Second World War, we'll become even stronger.

            Moreover, the EU is already preparing and has even set a deadline for completing the preparations: 2030.

            Our military-industrial complex is now stronger than the European one, and it will be stronger in 2030.

            We won't complete the SVO with only positives. There will be negatives, too.

            The pros already outweigh the cons many times over. But the main thing is that there won't be a two-front war, which you so vehemently call for. Once the Second World War is over, Ukraine will no longer pose a threat to Russia.

            And the true enemy does not receive any damage.

            Where does Ukraine get its money and weapons? Of the 70 units of military equipment destroyed, 50 were Western. Europe has cleared out all its arsenals. That's why it's trying to increase military production. Again, many thousands of Westerners have fallen on the Ukrainian battlefields. They say up to 10 Poles have died alone. By taking Ukraine into its care, Europe has significantly weakened its economy. And then there's the ever-increasing price of oil, thanks to the US and Iran. They say the current harvest in Europe will be terrible. There's a shortage of fertilizer, and there's a drought.

            After the collapse, the USSR was able to achieve this only through collectivization, a planned economy, and, in general, a people's state. How do you plan to replicate the USSR's achievements in the capitalist elite formation of modern Russia?

            You may have missed the fact that it was precisely in 2014 that Russia effectively completed its second collectivization and industrialization of the country. For example, it is reported that in 2020, Russia's revenue from food exports exceeded its revenue from gas sales.
            1. -1
              31 July 2026 15: 47
              Well, I don’t have that much time to write entire “reports”.

              I only read the first paragraph, no offense, and didn't read any further. You've won me over with the quantity of your text, not its content.

              Quote: Igor M.
              What difference does it make when?

              There is a difference, and a significant one at that. We started the SVO "for good health," but then the adherents of the "Let's make a deal with the West" cult started interfering with the army.

              Quote: Igor M.
              That is, in fact, you admitted that you lied about the “desert”... being scorched.

              Wherever the fighting takes place, there is a scorched desert, houses are razed to the ground, logging camps are completely destroyed, which can be seen in numerous videos from the front.

              Quote: Igor M.
              The new territories are for the most part not desert, but, on the contrary, closer to paradise on earth - resorts, black soil, mineral deposits, factories and plants.

              Factories, plants, resorts, and housing in areas where fighting has been going on for five years will have to be rebuilt. Russia took approximately 18% of the territory of the former Ukraine in one fell swoop, thanks to a successful military maneuver that included a push toward Kyiv. While everyone was terrified, Zelenskyy was hiding in a bomb shelter, the Europeans hadn't yet worked out a plan, and the British hadn't yet had their cup of tea, the Russian Armed Forces truly took a lot without a fight. That was a great operation. But then diplomats, politicians, and the "merchant elite," who have children and assets abroad, intervened. And the whole operation took on a different character.

              Sorry, Igor, but I can't continue corresponding with you for two reasons:
              1. A lot of text and time.
              2. Everything has already been said and repeated between us many times. We have nothing new to say to each other. You love Europe and dream of peace with it. I suppose you also appreciate everything British. Of course, how can you attack such a "civilization"? My attitude toward Europe (as a political and cultural phenomenon) is very complex and ambiguous, and believe me, there are real personal reasons for that.

              In this hi
              1. -2
                1 August 2026 00: 21
                alexdefensor,

                We started the SVO "for health," but then the followers of the cult "Let's come to an agreement with the West" began to interfere with the army.

                You are misjudging events. (i.e. you're lying a lot). Initially, the plan was to reach an agreement. Putin, even before the start of the Second World War, stated thatOur plans do not include the occupation of Ukrainian territories.".
                I don't know what you're imagining, but we did the same in Georgia in 2008. We went in, negotiated peace, and left. Why should things be any different in Ukraine? Explain.

                Where it is taken through battles

                And did you take the territories of the Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions without fighting? You don't know how to admit your mistakesThis is not a sign of courage or wisdom. But even in places where they took control later, in some places the territory remained in good condition. I cited the city of Svetlodarsk as an example. I believe the cities of Novogrodovka, Ukrainsk, and others were not yet destroyed.

                Factories, plants, resorts and housing in areas where fighting has been going on for the past five years will have to be rebuilt.

                They might not build anything there if the people don't return. Ukraine is evacuating its population from our offensive zone. Factories, plants, resorts and housing in 75% of the new territories remained intact..

                The Russian Armed Forces really did take a lot without a fight.

                There was fighting, but it didn't last very long. Remember Mariupol.
                You forgot that we got the LPR and DPR within the old borders without a fight at all - there were no Ukrainian Armed Forces there.

                But then diplomats, politicians, and the “merchant elite,” who have children and assets abroad, intervened in the matter.

                You are writing nonsense.Because the first stage of the SVO went exactly according to plan. The Istanbul Agreements are what the CBO was started for..

                And the whole company took on a different character.

                It happened after 4,5 months After the initialing of the Istanbul Accords, Boris Johnson, who had arrived in Kyiv, persuaded Zelenskyy to start a war with us, promising $500 million and military equipment.

                You love Europe and dream of peace with it.

                I love Russia and dream of us all surviving. But you, judging by your zeal for England, are encouraging Russia to start a new war without completing the Second World War.
      3. -1
        28 July 2026 18: 43
        support!
    2. -1
      29 July 2026 08: 57
      I don't give a damn about a horse's head on a collar!
    3. -1
      30 July 2026 14: 24
      Katz (Nelton) suggests surrender?
  4. +1
    28 July 2026 10: 45
    President Tokayev's "demarche" caused a furor only in the author's mind. Perhaps I missed something, of course, but I didn't notice any furor. So, Trump remains the sole leader in terms of media furor. laughing
  5. -5
    28 July 2026 11: 16
    Astana is ours! The Kazakh lands were given to us by Lenin, even during the time of Rurik.
  6. -1
    28 July 2026 15: 43
    Tokayev's Omsk demarche is not politics, but panic.

    No, this is precisely politics, and the article is panic disguised as militant determination...
    1. -5
      28 July 2026 16: 40
      Vox Populi, we have no reason to panic. A couple more settlements were liberated today. One in the DPR, the other in the Kharkiv region. Incidentally, a very sizable chunk is expected to be released in the Kharkiv region. It will float back to its home port.
  7. -2
    28 July 2026 17: 22
    If NATO constantly deceives its leader, and he's even proud of it, then why can't Tokayev do the same? He's the Sultan, after all.
  8. +4
    28 July 2026 18: 01
    Tokayev's Omsk demarche is not politics, but panic.

    Personally, I see this as an open counter-attack:

    Time's up, man. If you haven't started fighting modern warfare in five years, rather than surgically, that doesn't mean the CSTO will support such a meticulous surgeon forever.
  9. +2
    28 July 2026 18: 47
    Why this demarche, exactly? I voiced the position of Kazakhstan, a sovereign state. VV only dodged the question, saying, "I'll tell you the state of affairs later."
    1. +2
      28 July 2026 19: 54
      .... like I'll tell you the state of affairs later.

      Tokayev made his statement soon after knowing the state of his affairs for five years.
  10. -2
    28 July 2026 20: 54
    Practical preparations for the construction of the country's fourth oil refinery have begun in Kazakhstan. The future complex will be able to process up to 10 million tons of oil per year and become the foundation of a major petrochemical cluster.
    In parallel, the country will work to expand the capacity of existing refineries: at the PetroKazakhstan Oil Products plant in Shymkent from 6 to 12 million tons, at the Atyrau Oil Refinery from 5,5 to 6,7 million tons, and at the Pavlodar Oil Refinery from 5,5 to 9 million tons.
    Central Asia is growing rapidly—the population of Uzbekistan has doubled. The number of cars has tripled, and demand for gasoline and diesel fuel in Uzbekistan is significant.
    There are many cars in China, Mongolia, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan.
    Become a regional supplier of gasoline as a counterparty to the British and Americans.
    This is not a dream, this is reality... raw material export is the lot of underdeveloped countries.
  11. The comment was deleted.
  12. 0
    29 July 2026 20: 33
    Of course – after all, during this summit, for the first time, a "request" was publicly, openly, and personally voiced to Vladimir Putin to "freeze" hostilities in the Northeast Asian region. In other words, to effectively end the conflict on the terms of Kyiv and the West. And by whom, no less – a politician whom many consider the closest leader in the "post-Soviet space" to Moscow (with the exception of Alexander Lukashenko)! Why such a turn of events?

    - Who said that Kazakhstan is Russia's friend? - We already have such friends - Azerbaijan, for example... - Russia needs to choose what is more important - friends or friends' oil?.. - And Russia needs to build its policy based on this - it's simple, even the CSTO has nothing to do with it.
  13. 0
    30 July 2026 04: 07
    Nonsense. Aliyev doesn't have such capabilities, much less put pressure on his closest comrade, Tokayev.
  14. +1
    30 July 2026 07: 09
    I put myself in his shoes. A deranged neighbor, unprepared, gets involved in a war without actually fighting. He's driven the country to the brink, and now the consequences are starting to affect my economy, and very painfully. You'll be in a panic!
  15. -2
    1 August 2026 15: 57
    The world's small countries are weak, meaning they are controlled from outside, and this applies to both Aliyev and Tokayev. They are controlled like colonies, meaning they are mercilessly exploited. We learned that the Americans are exporting Kazakh oil... The curtain falls, the pipelines in Azerbaijan are also American... Thus, both Tokayev and Aliyev are replaceable puppets in the hands of the global backstage, and what they say is the West's wet dreams, that's all! ... Trade with the West is a one-way street. Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan are supposed to supply oil to insolvent Europe, but they will receive donut holes covered with green candy wrappers, preferably in the stabilization fund of these countries, located where? In the USA, of course, without rights to use, only with permission from the USA.