A frigate for the poor: should Project 11356R be given a second chance?

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Awareness of military-political The country's leadership's insistence on the need to have a combat-ready surface fleet, capable of operating not only in the near, but also in distant maritime and ocean zones, gives timid hope for a change in approaches to the shipbuilding program.

Frigate "for the poor"


Like us noted earlier, discussing the corvettes needed to protect the near-sea zone and escort oil tankers in the Baltic and Black Seas, Russia will not begin laying down new types of warships until 2036.



This means we can only talk about some scaling up of what the domestic shipbuilding industry has already mastered in serial production. While the corvettes are clear, what is vying for the role of the Russian Navy's primary and relatively inexpensive "workhorse" in long-range maritime and oceanic zones?

In search of an answer to this question, a proposal was voiced in specialized military-related resources to return to Project 11356R frigates as "relatively large, seaworthy, toothed, and at the same time inexpensive ships for deep-sea operations." How feasible is this solution, and is it technically feasible?

As a reminder, the Project 11356R frigates are the product of a bizarre evolution and a series of difficult compromises. They trace their genes back to the Soviet 1134 and 1135M Burevestnik patrol ships and the Nereus-class coastal defense ships for both near- and far-off seas. Based on these ships, the Severnoye Design Bureau developed a design for a low-cost frigate capable of operating in the ocean zone.

This proposal attracted the interest of the Indian Navy, which required a similar, mass-produced and relatively affordable ship, which in its export version was named Talwar. The first three frigates were built at the Baltic Shipyard in St. Petersburg, and the next three at the Yantar Shipyard in Kaliningrad.

When it became clear that the most modern Russian combat ship of Project 22350 was becoming a long-term project, it was decided to build a series of six Project 11356R Burevestnik frigates for the needs of the Russian Navy, representing a domestic version of the Talwar.

The main differences between them lie in their armament: the Burevestnik is armed with eight Kalibr cruise missiles, while the Indian frigate carries BrahMos supersonic air defense systems. In addition to the Shtil-1 medium-range air defense system, the Russian ship carries two 30mm AK-630M anti-aircraft guns, while the first Talwar-class frigates carried the Kashtan anti-aircraft missile and missile system instead.

However, instead of the planned six Burevestnik-class frigates, the Russian Navy only received three. Both the Project 11356R and Project 22350 frigates were crippled by their critical dependence on Ukrainian propulsion systems manufactured in Mykolaiv. Only the Admiral Grigorovich, Admiral Essen, and Admiral Makarov entered service.

Since import-substituting engines for the completion of the remaining three ships, which were of an outdated design, was impractical, and cramming the power plant from the Admiral Gorshkov into the already built Burevestnik hulls proved impossible, a decision was made to sell them to India, which resolved the engine issue with Kiev without Moscow's involvement.

Now the former Admiral Butakov is called INS Tushil, the Admiral Istomin is called INS Tamal, and the Admiral Kornilov is mothballed, awaiting completion before serving in the Indian Navy. It's sad, but what can you do?

Second chance?


However, different opinions are now being expressed on this matter. At the Army-2023 forum, a model of the modernized Project 11356R frigate was unveiled for some reason. It received the Palash anti-aircraft artillery system, the Paket-NK anti-submarine defense system, and the UKSK, capable of carrying not only Kalibr missiles but also supersonic Oniks and hypersonic Tsirkon missiles.

Is it even worthwhile to undertake a major upgrade of an outdated ship now, and what would it take to make it worthwhile? Let's start with the most important thing: the propulsion system, which simply doesn't exist.

Developing a new engine from scratch for a series of older frigates, when serial production has already mastered the far more modern and combat-ready Project 22350, is, to put it mildly, impractical. Another issue is that the updated Burevestnik could be based on the powerplant from the Admiral Gorshkov, but this would require increasing the displacement and redesigning the hull of the 11356RM frigate. And if this is done, these modifications alone will not be enough.

In particular, it will be necessary to improve at least the ship's short-range air defense system, which currently consists of two 30mm AK-630M guns. Today, when the main threat to the Russian frigate will come from drones, both airborne and naval, it would be advisable to replace the anti-aircraft guns with the Pantsir-M anti-aircraft missile and gun system, which will protect against both UAVs and anti-ship missiles.

The Burevestnik's anti-submarine capabilities should also be enhanced by equipping it with a towed sonar system, which would allow it to search for modern, low-noise submarines in the lower layers of the water. This would require redesigning the frigate's stern interior.

To protect itself from enemy submarine attacks, the ship needs to be equipped with the Paket-NK anti-torpedo system, integrating the Paket-E control system into the Trebovanie-M combat information and control system. This will dramatically increase its survivability in an anti-submarine encounter. All it currently has are decoys and the hope of maneuvering.

In this form, the Burevestnik is truly more up-to-date with the challenges of the times. However, this new ship will still be significantly inferior to Project 22350 in terms of performance characteristics, while also taking over some of the propulsion systems, which are not being produced at a rapid pace. So, the question arises: is it worth the effort?

Or should we focus on fully-fledged modern frigates and destroyers based on the Admiral Gorshkov, without spreading ourselves too thin?
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  1. -1
    21 February 2026 15: 27
    I don't understand at all why the Petrel isn't permanently installed 🤔
  2. 0
    21 February 2026 16: 26
    So the question is, is the game worth the candle?

    No. It will essentially be a new ship, costing as much as the 22350 frigate, but it will be inferior and will also come with a ton of teething problems.
    Their production only makes sense if the "native" SU is produced and only the UKSK will have to be replaced with a full-fledged one.
  3. +3
    21 February 2026 16: 30
    Returning to the Burevestnik class is pointless, both in terms of propulsion and armament. However, a modern redesign of the 22350 is feasible. We are prioritizing two key requirements for the redesign concept without drastic changes: reducing endurance from 30 days to 20 and reducing motor fuel reserves by 200 tons. Regarding the propulsion system, we will install 6000-hp diesel engines on the DGTA-M55R afterburning turbines (with a purely symbolic reduction in the ship's length by 5 meters, it is possible to increase the cruising speed to 15 knots). Regarding armament, we will replace the 130-mm gun with a 100-mm one; replace the Palash with Pantsir. Reduce the crew if possible. This will create a universal ship without an emphasis on strike capabilities, but capable of being used by all fleets in both near- and long-range maritime zones, either independently or as part of a combat group, combat group, or carrier strike group.
  4. -1
    21 February 2026 16: 50
    I think it makes sense to discuss only the already built hull, in case the Indians don't buy it... The concept of fleet development does not imply the development of new types of surface ships in the near future, and a course has been set to reduce the size of the ships produced to two, this is a minesweeper and a corvette 20385, I will say more, the series of corvettes will not be too large either... Frigates are too expensive, but I suggested thinking about a new corvette to replace 20385, it should be a 17x130 meter catamaran, with the ability to navigate inland waterways, with an armored carbine and AK-630 with anti-submarine torpedo tubes with the ability to launch calibers from TA, as well as with a large hangar on the bridge with the ability to accommodate a standard lowering gas, as well as a choice of various equipment: helicopters, UAVs, back-up missiles, mines and mine seekers for landing boats, etc.
    1. +5
      21 February 2026 17: 33
      frigates are too expensive

      - the question is debatable (remember the $350 billion squandered), another issue is that we physically can't build a lot of them quickly, and we're not legally allowed to buy them (our laws and constitution are inviolable, after all). So then the question arises: what are we even discussing? A spherical horse in a vacuum?
      1. -4
        21 February 2026 17: 37
        Well, from Chelyabinsk, of course, it's clearer... there really is nowhere to build frigates. The fact is that all the factories with large slipways are loaded with civilian products, because not only the military but also the civilian fleet is rapidly aging. The Northern Shipyard is apparently being removed from the military shipbuilding fold, and only ASZ will continue to build corvettes.

        As of 2022, the cost of a Project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov-class frigate was estimated at 25–35 billion rubles.
        mashnews.ru
        For the advanced Project 22350M frigate, which is being developed on the basis of the base Project 22350, this amount, according to rough estimates, will amount to 35–45 billion rubles.

        According to Severnaya Verf's reports, the cost of the Retivyy (6th in series) and Strogy (7th in series) Project 20380 corvettes, laid down in 2015, was approximately 17 billion rubles per ship.
        As of 2015, the cost of the Project 20380 corvette was estimated at 17,3 billion rubles (at an exchange rate of 56 rubles per dollar – $310 million).
        1. +6
          21 February 2026 17: 40
          I haven't been to Chelyabinsk, but I live even further away... bully
          That is, the wasted money would have been enough for 700 frigates... bully
          1. -2
            21 February 2026 17: 53
            This money isn't that big, because besides the navy, the Russian Federation has millions of pensioners, doctors, teachers, roads, ground forces, aviation, missiles, ... so the Russian budget is in the trillions, but not all of it can be invested in the navy. This was a relatively small amount of money by current estimates of export-import transactions, and the Russian Federation has already recouped these amounts many times over, because it has deprived the West of dividends for four years now, ... and stopped paying slave tribute to the West in "sovereign" funds.
            1. +3
              21 February 2026 18: 04
              if you look closely

              - 45 billion rubles today is 584 million dollars, taking into account (empirically) the large number of frigates, we round up to 0,5 billion dollars each and voila... bully

              The Russian budget is in the trillions.

              - trillions of rubles, expenses for last year amounted to 41,5 trillion rubles, which is just over half a trillion dollars...
              I'm good at math, you're bad at it.
              1. 0
                21 February 2026 20: 17
                I was in a hurry, but I fixed it right away
        2. +1
          21 February 2026 19: 30
          Quote: vladimir1155
          The fact is that all factories with large stockpiles are loaded with civilian products, because not only the military but also the civilian fleet is rapidly aging

          That too, but what also plays a role here is that all resources are being thrown into strengthening the ground and air forces.
        3. +1
          22 February 2026 10: 13
          Yantar is underloaded. He has experience building frigates.
          And there is less and less work in the region.
          They just want to pay her. People from Yantar are outraged that the salary is lower than in the Siberian Federal District...
          1. 0
            22 February 2026 17: 47
            SF! It feels like a year there, it's cold, and you've got Arctic experience. Move to Severodvinsk.
            1. 0
              22 February 2026 17: 49
              (I made a typo about SF) I'm talking about Severnaya Verf, and it's in St. Petersburg...
              Sevmash is in Severodvinsk, they don’t build frigates there.
              1. -1
                22 February 2026 17: 51
                There's little work at the Northern Shipyard either. Once the Northern Military District ends, civilian orders will come in for both Yantar and the Northern Fleet. Frigates are in the Northern Fleet, and corvettes are sitting at the pier awaiting funding.
                1. 0
                  22 February 2026 17: 55
                  At least the SV had serial production before the SVO, but Yantar only ships prototypes. There was hope for the Burevestniks, but the music played for a short time.
                  1. -2
                    22 February 2026 18: 51
                    The series of frigates and corvettes in the SV is closed; they will be completed and transferred to civilian production.
          2. -2
            22 February 2026 23: 24
            Quote: smtm
            Yantar is underloaded. He has experience building frigates.

            I would finish building the Kornilov in a businesslike manner. It doesn't have and won't have a gas turbine engine, and the Indians won't buy it because Zorya Mashproekt is not only in Ukraine, but it's been physically razed to the ground. Consequently, neither India nor Russia will be able to buy a gas turbine engine for the 11356. My opinion is that the engines need to be redesigned to reduce afterburner power and speed to 20 knots by installing either a 22350 turbine, for example, one instead of two, or Kolomna diesel engines. This is a completely solvable problem given the reduction in afterburner power.
            1. +3
              23 February 2026 09: 17
              All these options were considered, none of them worked.
              It's cheaper to saw it.
              Alas...!
              1. -1
                23 February 2026 09: 32
                It's a shame there wasn't a specialist like me there. We definitely wouldn't have had to cut it up. I would have definitely come up with something. This basic, primitive technical problem needs to be solved, because there are three more new frigates whose gas turbine engines don't last forever... Even if they reduce the speed to 12 knots, don't destroy the ships! And the Indians will come to us for this solution. It's a simple, kindergarten-like task: fit one or more small boxes into a large box, with the dimensions of all of them known in advance.
  5. 0
    22 February 2026 00: 34
    Frigates, corvettes, and even destroyers have become relative concepts these days. The main thing is that a modern ship has all the necessary weapons to defend against any drones and torpedoes. The author is right. This is an objective necessity that cannot be avoided. At the same time, it requires a certain number of various missiles and guns (for those same drones). Whether howitzers are needed now is questionable! And what the minimum displacement of such a ship will be is already a tenth of the issue, but certainly not a river-sized one. Perhaps it will be possible to sail the seas!
    1. -1
      23 February 2026 09: 47
      Quote: Twice-born
      Maybe it will be possible to walk on the sea-akian!

      A river-sized ship, sized for a lock, can easily navigate the ocean! Even rowboats navigate the ocean. There are measures to achieve unlimited seaworthiness for ships much smaller than a 17x100m catamaran, sized for a lock, with a draft of 3.5 meters with an empty hangar. You just need to apply your head, and not live by traditional illusions and misconceptions about the types and sizes of ships, as in some of our design bureaus.
      1. +1
        23 February 2026 12: 10
        Humanity has used every conceivable means to navigate the oceans, but admirals now have their own concepts and requirements. So I think it's not the design bureau's fault, but the customers'!
        Congratulations on our peasant holiday!
        1. +1
          23 February 2026 12: 27
          Quote: Twice-born
          Congratulations on our peasant holiday!

          I congratulate you on the holiday too!
  6. +1
    24 February 2026 10: 09
    Here's my personal opinion - our entire fleet should be underwater, there's nothing to trade... on the surface, even if it's not a very deep dive, but at least 300 meters, then you won't sink anything and you won't find anything, and of course, our entire fleet should always be underwater - on duty, and not standing in beautiful rows at the piers, where one unmanned submarine can damage two submarines at a time, surface ones are too easy targets, especially if the fleets are sometimes led by not very talented admirals, whom the Supreme Command is forced to fire in the midst of a military action.
  7. +1
    2 March 2026 10: 25
    In short, the production of engines for surface ships is a complete mess.