The State Duma approved a law that could be a step towards the abolition of pensions

March 13 2019 39

The decision made by the Russian authorities last year to raise the retirement age entailed many problems for the residents of the country. The concept of “citizens of pre-retirement age” appeared, that is, men who have reached 60 years of age, and women who have crossed the 55-year mark.

Previously, these people were supposed to receive pensions, but after last year's “pension reform”, everything changed. It’s no secret that it’s quite difficult for people of age to find work - young people are in great demand in the labor market.

In this regard, the State Duma of the Russian Federation passed a law according to which citizens of pre-retirement age will be able to receive alimony from their children, as well as from former spouses. On March 12, the lower house of parliament adopted it in the third, final reading.

At the same time, many experts, and deputies, fear that this law may be the first step to the complete abolition of pensions. Supporters of the bill believe that it will protect the rights of people near retirement age to social security.

Today, only those who have reached retirement age have the right to collect child support. This bill preserves in this case such a right from 55 years for women, from 60 years for men

- quotes "Russian newspaper" the words of parliamentarian Andrei Isaev, deputy head of the United Russia faction in the Duma.

The deputies from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation have a completely different position. So, the deputy Alexei Kurinnoy said that in this way the state shifts part of its social obligations to the children of Russian citizens. At that, Oleg Shein, a parliamentarian from Just Russia, noted that the authorities intend to index pensions at the cost of reducing the number of pensioners. The law adopted by the State Duma is only a transfer of responsibility for maintaining a person to his relatives.

Indeed, if we take into account that the children of 55-year-old Russians and 60-year-old Russians often have their own children, then the obligation to keep parents without a pension will hit the living standards of the younger generation.

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Monster_Fat

+7

13 March 2019 11: 23

Yes, that's right, to file alimony for their unemployed children who have worn out their legs trying to find the promised "25 million high-paying, high-tech jobs."
1. Victor N
  
  -4
  
  13 March 2019 14: 13
  
  This will somehow bring up responsibility in children, many of whom are comfortable sitting on their parents' necks. And parents will become more strict about their offspring.
Sergey Latyshev

0

13 March 2019 11: 34

then the obligation to keep also parents without a pension will hit the standard of living of the younger generation.

this is not a younger generation. 35-40 years old. Here they are lucky .....
1. elenagromova
  
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  13 March 2019 12: 18
  
  And they have their own children, whom they must feed and from whose ration alimony will be deducted
Monster_Fat

+4

13 March 2019 13: 22

There is one positive side to this - the "electorate" will finally be able to understand (or may not understand) that the socially oriented state system in Russia prescribed in the Constitution is a lie. In Russia, a clan, bureaucratic-oligarchic system was finally formed and consolidated.
1. Victor N
  
  -4
  
  13 March 2019 14: 18
  
  From empty funds, social benefits will not spill over. You need to take care of yourself. And in Russia, HALF of the population withhold taxes - unhappy.
  I don’t think that many will begin to demand child support through the courts.
2. Victor N
  
  -2
  
  14 March 2019 13: 03
  
  How you got yourself! Talent! Join, or what?
Victor N

-3

13 March 2019 14: 22

In the USSR, all party workers lived happily ever after from the incomes of other people. Still sobbing sweetly.
Digital error

+3

13 March 2019 15: 02

Quote: Victor N
You must take care of yourself

I agree. But it is necessary to warn about the cancellation / reform of pension provision 20 years before the expected completion of working age (to have time to type "fat"), and not simultaneously with the start of the World Cup and from next year... I consider this fact indicative in terms of the real attitude of decision-makers towards the people. And apparently, some officials see the situation in the same way, since at first they allow themselves to speak out on topics like "macaros", and in response to fair criticism they demand unconditional respect for themselves.
1. Victor N
  
  -6
  
  14 March 2019 12: 58
  
  By the age of 30, a normal person is already accustomed to rely on himself and does not need special warnings - he acquires wisdom. In reality, there can be no warnings. Raising age - a solution that is unpleasant to everyone, but inevitable - one can only calmly reflect on it. Attacks on the authorities are pleasantly known to anyone ......
bonifacius

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14 March 2019 00: 20

... young people are in great demand in the labor market.

So it’s much more correct to emphasize - more or more.
Victor N

-4

14 March 2019 12: 49

The author has rich imagination! Rather, even a perverse one.
rusich

+5

14 March 2019 15: 43

Why do I need such a state. Taxes to the state, and children should feed. I’d better give my taxes to my child.
Dzafdet

+6

14 March 2019 16: 08

It is high time for this State Duma to dissolve and announce early elections.
Pishenkov

-4

14 March 2019 17: 25

The State Duma approved a law that could be a step towards the abolition of pensions

Lord, what nonsense again! In general, I understand why they want to regulate the Internet and criminalize "fake news". This kind of crap may well cause popular discontent! Maybe at first it was worth giving at least a link to the text of this draft law so that people could get acquainted with it, and then make such provocative stuffing? But this is unlikely, because there is nothing of the kind in the law, and the article will immediately seem like a complete mess ... And so people have this topic, apparently, a sore one, because the need for this step (pension reform) is apparently not everyone still gets it. Well, not all of us have the basics of financial literacy and are able to think more than five years ahead and beyond their own plate. But apparently there is not enough discontent of people for someone, they want to inflate, they are beginning to scare the cancellation of pensions ... And if at least a "five" of the general regime threatened for such garbage, so maybe some would think ...
1. 2cool
  
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  14 March 2019 18: 38
  
  First look at the average life expectancy in the Krasnoyarsk Territory!
  First raise the level of life expectancy, and then retirement age.
  1. Pishenkov
    
    -2
    
    14 March 2019 19: 46
    
    And you look what it was like when these pensions were introduced. And how many years went into working professions (I will tell you - at 15-16 years). This lifespan has already been raised for you. Long. Everyone goes to work 5 years later, their work experience is shorter, they live 10-15 years longer. Maybe it’s logical that you need to work for 5 years more?
    1. Pishenkov
      
      -3
      
      14 March 2019 20: 04
      
      PS ... in, quickly minus Conclusion: I don’t want to work ... And a pension would be good, and not 5 thousand rubles, but like abroad. Only there already wherever there is a state pension system, is this the most retirement age raised. Negative on health. Just as Putin said about missiles, I’ll say about pensions - COUNT ... in 10-15 years, there will be no pensions at this rate.
2. Digital error
  
  +3
  
  14 March 2019 21: 58
  
  Quote: Pyshenkov
  start and the abolition of pensions already scare ...
  
  Alexey, who is right - time will tell. Personally, I can see (and not only from the sofa) that our welfare state is systematically throwing off the burden of social guarantees, so the complete abolition of pensions looks to me quite a logical next step. A question for you - have you felt the "25 million new, high-tech jobs by 2020" promised to the country back in May 2012? Me not. Meanwhile, in connection with an increase in the retirement age among young people, unemployment will increase, which means crime. How we are going to fight poverty, Rosstat has already announced in the spirit that the current methodology for assessing poverty is subject to revision as archaic. Therefore, I do not exclude that for some desperate "five" of the general regime may well become a way out - there at least for food and housing and communal services there is no need to pay, as well as make responsible decisions.
  1. Pishenkov
    
    -1
    
    14 March 2019 22: 55
    
    Eugene, I understand the concerns of people that everything is not quite as we would like. But it will never be like that. Something is always not enough for a man. Such a creature. But there will be no abolition of pensions, for so many reasons that I am tormented to list them. The abolition of pensions in the horizon from 15 to 30 years completely threatened without this reform. There is generally a lot of complicated things. The Russian Federation is not a social state, where did you get this? Social is when socialism. And when capitalism does not happen. By the way, this is generally nonsense social programs under capitalism, it is against its essence, therefore, it does not get along well together. Now the boundaries have been erased altogether - like capitalism is almost everywhere, and at the same time, developed states, where this capitalism is just the most developed, take on some social obligations (this is also the case with us now). The people who hopped and rejoiced in perestroika wanted blue jeans, Japanese electronics, Marlborough and foreign cars in the late 80s, now they have received all this, but not in their hands, but in the market - go buy it if you can ... And many cannot . But they want to. They want a car like that of a German, but productivity and quality of labor, like that of a German, do not give out ... And they don’t want to. And they want a car ... And they want a pension, like a German’s, and they are sure that this is fair. And the fact that these Germans have long been retiring this pension later also is of no interest to anyone. Give me a pension. Everyone got the capitalism that they wanted, not realizing what it was, but they continued to exist in the belief that someone should give something to them. Then again the revolution must be done. You are welcome. All revolutions are made on promises of a better future, though those who promise do not usually say that they mean (possibly) the next generation + themselves. After revolutions, there is usually a collapse and for a long time then nothing at all, not to mention pensions ...
    Nowhere in the world did raising the retirement age have any effect on jobs for young people, everywhere in these countries, on the contrary, is full of migrant workers, as well as in the Russian Federation. That is, there is work if foreigners have enough, but they don’t want to do it already ... This is another question why. High-tech jobs just mean a reduction in labor, but this is also a different issue, not for pensions ... How can you say that you are right, you can also count on different things ... And this is also a problem ... But, again , not with pensions, no matter how you count, it was necessary to raise ... As 2x2 - how many do not turn over, anyway 4 will come out ...
    It’s hard to explain ... in a couple of lines it’s even useless.
    There was nothing to destroy the welfare state to whine now ... And then for such little articles they gave just the terms, and not 5 "general" ones, but even more abruptly ... Again, someone did not like it, there was little freedom ... shortage ... And now both freedom and goods, but they wanted social benefits ...
    We have a certain part of the people who stubbornly do not understand that it’s impossible to fuck and eat fish at the same time, although it’s very hunting ...
    1. Digital error
      
      +2
      
      15 March 2019 07: 53
      
      The Russian Federation is not a social state, where did you get this?
      
      Alexei, well, do not dissemble - I still won’t believe that you didn’t read the Constitution (Article 7, Clause 1):
      
      The Russian Federation is a social state whose policy is aimed at creating conditions that ensure decent life и free development people
      
      And something tells me that the desire to revise the Constitution is connected precisely with the removal of this norm from it (the pension "maneuver" is now being contested in the Constitutional Court - do you know? It's another matter that the judges of the Constitutional Court are appointed by the President and not for life, as in the United States, but why should we adopt the experience of a potential enemy ), and not doubts about the current rule of priority of international law over domestic (Article 15, paragraph 4). And by the way, Article 15, Clause 4 of the Constitution is exactly "what happened to the country, what happened," in your words. This (to the results of the lost cold war) can be attributed to Article 13.2 of the Constitution that no ideology can be established as a state or mandatory - it was the struggle of ideas that forced Western capitalists at one time to give social guarantees to their citizens. Now, in the absence of a state system competing with capitalism, all social guarantees are gradually taken away from the working people, reducing "costs" (nothing personal). Reproaching me for "whining" you are self-deceiving, it seems to me. However, regardless of which of us is right, we both have the right to be wrong. Do you agree with me on that?
      1. Pishenkov
        
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        15 March 2019 11: 05
        
        Incidentally, I did not specifically blame you for anything, you do not whine, but state your thoughts. You indirectly answered your own question about the Constitution - it was written explicitly in puffs, on the ruins of what happened, and without versions of what will happen. A lot of crap there, right? And about the ideology, and about the law, and about the social state. You can write anything, but capitalism is in the country, and the fact is in the oligarchic and harsh form that the West has gone a long time. And then, when he passed it, there were no social guarantees there either. You can write anything on the fence, but it’s not this, but the fence, regardless of what is written on it. Whose Crimea? In my opinion, and in fact it’s Russian, but everyone else says it’s not. Yes, and because of this, including in Crimea itself, there are problems, as well as because of disagreements with our Constitution and reality, which was written in the early 90s. Need to rewrite. Like a map of the world. But time is needed apparently. What did you want to write there in 1993? That we are not a social state, go to capitalism and renounce all the gains of socialism? Then the White House would be demolished already to hell and finally, but those who were sitting in it really did not want this ...
        There is a lot of talk now that Russia is a separate civilization. I agree. Apparently, we are sculpting our own social system as well. How they blinded themselves to Christianity in their own image and likeness, how they almost completely overturned Marxism and built a state on this basis. Let's see what happens now. If you don't like it, go to fight, or at least fight the system. But what revolutions lead to is known, and I already wrote this above. If you don't want revolutions, wait for what will come out of what we have already done for ourselves ... I remember very well (again, this is not about you specifically, but in general) how exactly those people who are now so worried about the question of their moved close pension, proudly walked in T-shirts and watches with the words "perestroika", "glasnost", clapped to Gorbachev and happily enthusiastically read all sorts of previously forbidden books, even though they often contained complete nonsense ... Everyone was happy about "freedom", the end dictatorships, these are mainly those who are now retiring ... Then they forgot about everything, because at least somehow they had to survive. And now they were pulled out of this shit, which they initially applauded, and they suddenly remembered that someone owes them something ... I apologize for a long time ... This topic hurts me. Because I saw and remember all this myself. And for some, here's how the memory was knocked out, in nature ...
Oleg RB

+3

14 March 2019 18: 10

It seems to me alone that power and authority are simply, of course, offensive.
1. Pishenkov
  
  -3
  
  14 March 2019 20: 47
  
  The coexistence of the hellish bydlya part of the Lyakhtarat, judging by the mustache, is off scale! Well, a hundred times ush yim, and they explained, and they counted ... Well, don't get the fuck! Well, stupid, what should they learn from them? ... That I’m thinking - well, damn it, thank God it’s not in the majority! Trying to get along and complain, those who didn’t get it right now couldn’t even see ... well, fucking with him ...
Digital error

+4

14 March 2019 22: 09

Quote: Pyshenkov
Conclusion: I do not want to work

You’re a smart person, Aleksey, and you write nonsense. Separate right work from duties. Yes, I didn’t plan (I didn’t want - as you please) to work after and had the right to do so. And on October 3, 2018, I have this right taken away without any compensation. And I agree with this only when they introduce a system of progressive taxation for those who are trying to teach me how to love my homeland and whom I must respect.
1. Pishenkov
  
  -3
  
  14 March 2019 23: 03
  
  I personally am not for taxation, but for confiscation in general. Moreover, everyone knows what and everyone knows ... but this, again, has nothing to do with pensions. These are not those resources and not there.
  And they didn’t take anything from you. Yes, not nice. I’m also not 18. But I understand that it’s better to work more, I can after all. Than later, when I definitely can’t, I just won’t get anything at all and maybe I will be dependent on children ...
  1. Pishenkov
    
    -1
    
    14 March 2019 23: 37
    
    PS ... there is one good Russian proverb "Better late than never" - it just fits the situation with pensions. The fact that many do not get it is understandable. What even those who did not like it is also understandable. But there is, besides like - not like, there is also an objective reality. What happened to the country happened. And you have to live with it. Personally, after some serious life difficulties, I learned to enjoy what I have. And do not be sad that I do not have. I wish everyone the same - you will be healthier and happier. And you will live longer in a pension you might not have at all. For example, if in the early 2000s they did not start to tighten the nuts ... For many things, of course, it was already too late, but at least that way ...
    1. Digital error
      
      +1
      
      15 March 2019 09: 39
      
      There is one good Russian proverb ...
      
      There is another (I can not vouch for the context of the original - atheist) -
      “By their deeds (fruits) you will know them.” (Matthew 7:20).
    2. Digital error
      
      +2
      
      15 March 2019 13: 01
      
      Quote: Pyshenkov
      And you have to live with it. After some serious life difficulties, I personally learned to enjoy what I have.
      
      As one smart person (I. Rogotnev) recently said - a tricky move was invented to control people - politicians and psychoanalysts divided zones of influence. Politicians never talk about meanings and appeal only to the rational interests of the voter, and psychoanalysts appeal only to the subconscious / unconscious and assure everyone that all problems are there - either in difficult childhood, or other psychological injuries and that the structure of the surrounding reality is an unchangeable order things and you have to put up with it and drink antidepressants .... At the same time, society receives the illusion of comfort and peace, while politics and psychoanalysts get loot.
      1. Pishenkov
        
        0
        
        15 March 2019 13: 06
        
        I am not a politician or a psychoanalyst, I just share my thoughts. I don’t believe that the problems are all in childhood injuries and the subconscious. I believe in objective reality, which if you can’t change, then you need to adapt and live in what is.
  2. Digital error
    
    0
    
    15 March 2019 08: 05
    
    If this is important to you, it wasn’t me who minus - we have a kind of freedom of expression
    1. Pishenkov
      
      -1
      
      15 March 2019 11: 16
      
      no, it’s not very important, I’m not particularly upset about this although thank you ... We are writing this so that someone reads .... And if there is a minus, then someone read, although I do not agree.
      
      PS and you wrote the answer above
Oleg RB

+1

15 March 2019 06: 19

Well, generally a disgrace what the country was brought to
1. Pishenkov
  
  0
  
  15 March 2019 11: 13
  
  Right. And it will be even more correct if you say it while looking in the mirror.
  And then all the time the king is bad, then the party, then the president ... and we have nothing to do with it ...
Digital error

+2

15 March 2019 13: 39

Quote: Pyshenkov
I believe in objective reality

Alexey, objective reality is a tree. Here it grows, whether we like it or not. But the color of the tree is already controversial, since it is determined by the structure of the eye (whether human, animal or insect), namely, its ability to perceive a particular wavelength of electromagnetic radiation. You and I are trying to comprehend the objective political reality around us (specific personalities and their statements are objective in their existence) through the prism of our own life experience and "a sense of beauty." And in this perception there is nothing objective anymore - with all due respect to your experience. So you and I are both right, and at the same time you and I are both wrong. This is, if I may say so, "dialectics" ...
1. Pishenkov
  
  0
  
  15 March 2019 13: 57
  
  The thought is deep, correct, but its correctness has its limits. try to tell yourself many, many times (as psychoanalysts advise) that you don’t need a pension at all, you are doing well, and take it that way but I think it won’t help either, because it’s not enough for food and utilities, as you don’t convince yourself that everything is OK. That is, there is still some kind of objective reality, independent of our perception of it? It is cold in winter, the water is wet, the birch is white, and the oak is brown ... You are an atheist. They should know this ... This is our reality, this is an axiom. Anyone can say anything, but this reality remains reality. Perhaps insects perceive the colors of the trees in a different way, but they sometimes have a life cycle of several tens of hours ... and we are not them, they have their own reality and no pensions at all, and they also live somehow
  In general, thanks for the dialogue, it is always nice to talk with someone who really thinks about things, and is not limited to the slogans that he heard on TV ...
  1. Digital error
    
    +1
    
    15 March 2019 14: 19
    
    as psychoanalysts advise
    
    Yeah! Also faced with them?
    
    who heard on tv
    
    I don’t watch TV since June 17 - that day on TV I saw social advertising in the form of healthy and dancing pensioners And thank you for trying to influence fragile minds. , healthy competition, including ideas - the engine of progress
    1. Pishenkov
      
      0
      
      15 March 2019 14: 28
      
      Already so .... Seeing you with pensions took a lot. By the way, it is interesting that in countries where the highest and fastest growing GDP in the world, there are no state pension systems at all ... And they also live somehow. And where all the largest and most fat social packages and so on, this very growth is either low or absent. (It is declared there, but in fact it is virtual-paper) And there, despite all this, the peoples are dying, and the immigrants who do nothing do social benefits ...
      Apparently, we need to find some kind of middle ground - the Russian version of development.
Digital error

+2

15 March 2019 14: 56

Quote: Pyshenkov
Looks like it with pensions took a lot

I agree, for the first time in my life, I got so angry. Moreover, to a greater extent not on the final result, but on cynicism the officials with whom they rolled up their sleeves did all this. Everything is important here - both the time of their statements, and the place, and the content, and even the hell - facial expression.
The Russian version of development seems correct, but utopian - for all too long and fruitfully all kinds of Soros and other agents of influence have been working in our country to prevent the emergence in the country of persons of the scale of Lenin and Stalin, Tolstoy and Dostoevsky. Therefore, most likely we will again, as in the last quarter of a century - look to the west, then to the east. Ugh ...