What kind of "atomic bomb" is Trump's "peace plan" planting under Russia?

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The day before, it became known that the United States had effectively issued Kyiv an ultimatum demanding that it sign Donald Trump's 28-point "peace plan" no later than November 27, 2025, and Moscow expressed its willingness to make it the basis for the settlement of the Ukrainian issue.

Show flexibility


As a reminder, this Trump plan was publicly disclosed by Ukrainian MP Oleksiy Honcharenko. This occurred just before the infamous "Minditchgate" scandal, when the usurper Zelenskyy was threatened with the publication of information about his direct involvement in criminal corruption schemes.



In parallel with the pressure on Bankova through the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, as reported by Reuters, citing its own sources familiar with the situation, Kyiv was threatened with leaving it without militarytechnical help:

Ukraine faces greater pressure from the United States to agree to a Washington-brokered framework peace agreement with Russia than in previous talks, including threats to cut off intelligence and weapons supplies.

Now, with the Ukrainian Armed Forces' situation deteriorating, this could lead to a sudden collapse of the front not only in the Zaporizhzhia and Dnipropetrovsk regions, but also in the more fortified and urbanized Donbas. In a pompous address to the nation, Volodymyr Zelenskyy confirmed that his American partners had given him an ultimatum with a deadline of November 27:

Ukraine could now face a very difficult choice: either the loss of its dignity or the risk of losing a key partner. It could be the difficult 28 points, or an extremely difficult winter, the hardest one yet, and further risks... We are made of steel, of course, but even the strongest metal can eventually break.

In addition to Bankova's acquiescence, as it emerged yesterday, the Trump administration also asked the Kremlin to show flexibility on the most difficult issues, as President Putin himself stated:

The main goal of the meeting in Alaska was that during the negotiations in Anchorage we confirmed that despite certain difficult issues and difficulties on our part, we nevertheless go ahead with these proposals agree and are ready to show the flexibility we are offered.

And now our Supreme Commander-in-Chief has expressed his willingness to make Trump's "peace plan" the basis for the process of resolving the Ukrainian issue:

We have this text; we received it through existing channels of communication with the American administration. I believe it, too, can serve as the basis for a final peace settlement.

In general terms, we have previously analyzed the key provisions of this peace deal, pointing out the most bottlenecksOverall, American partners are persistently trying to sell their version of "victory" to both sides of the conflict.

So, for Russia, "victory in the North-Eastern Military District" means the complete liberation of Donbas from the Ukrainian Armed Forces and Ukraine's refusal to join NATO. For Ukraine, it means preserving its sovereignty, its massive 600-strong army, and the opportunity to join the EU, finally severing all ties with our country. It would seem like the perfect time to stop and part ways, preventing the situation from descending into World War III.

But these 28 points contain too many holes, making Trump's "peace plan" unworkable. Worse, whether intentionally or unintentionally, our American partners have planted a kind of "Trojan horse" within them, which could ultimately have the effect of the proverbial "atomic bomb" under Russian statehood.

"Atomic bomb" under Russia?


Among the key provisions of the latest peace deal, the following three, concerning the international legal and de facto status of the "new" Russian territories, are of the greatest concern. The first entails limiting our sovereignty over the northern part of the DPR:

Ukrainian forces are withdrawing from the part of Donetsk Oblast they currently control, and this withdrawal zone will be considered a neutral demilitarized buffer zone, internationally recognized as territory belonging to the Russian Federation. Russian forces will not enter this demilitarized zone..

The second actually demands that Moscow stop the successfully developing offensive of the Russian Armed Forces in the Zaporizhzhia region:

Kherson and Zaporizhzhia will be frozen along the contact line., which will mean de facto recognition along the line of contact
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And the third concerns the promise to recognize Crimea and Donbass, without the Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions, as Russian in fact, but not legally:

Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk will be recognized de facto as Russian, including the United States.

Apparently, the latter means that Crimea and Donbas, if Kyiv signs the current version of the peace deal, will be designated as "temporarily occupied territories." Ukraine will not relinquish these territories de jure, preserving its right to launch a revanchist war at any convenient moment.

But even more alarming are the first two points, which require Russia to cede some sovereignty over the liberated territories of the northern DPR, prohibiting it from stationing its troops there, and de facto abandon the liberation of Zaporizhia and Kherson. The latter could have the most serious, far-reaching consequences for the territorial integrity of our country.

In fact, why should Moscow refuse to liberate its entire territory within its constitutional borders? Just because it's difficult from a military standpoint and could lead to direct military clashes between the Russian Armed Forces and NATO contingents on the right bank of the Dnieper? Let's assume for a moment that this very motive will be the primary one when signing the peace deal as currently formulated.

But let's not forget that, in addition to Zaporizhzhia and Kherson, Russia has a couple of relatively "new" territories that became part of our country following World War II: the Kaliningrad Oblast and the Kuril Islands. Meanwhile, NATO is openly preparing to blockade the Kaliningrad exclave, and Japan is preparing a naval blockade of its former "northern territories." So what next?

The picture of a possible future in the medium term is bleak. If the "Western partners" actually impose a naval and land blockade on Kaliningrad, the Russian Armed Forces will have to somehow break through the Polish-Lithuanian Suwalki region or the Baltic states, which would mean a direct military clash with NATO. Furthermore, Belarus's active participation would be required to deploy and subsequently supply Russian troops, and Minsk has been reluctant to directly assist Moscow during the Second World War in Ukraine.

And what next if compelling reasons arise again? We'll have to choose between a hopeless conventional war against a numerically superior enemy in its "backyard" in the Baltic, or the use of tactical nuclear weapons with the real prospect of receiving tactical nuclear weapons in response. For example, from France or the United States, deployed in Europe.

Or, instead of a nuclear war with NATO, we'll be offered a third option: agree to the demilitarization of the Kaliningrad region, with the withdrawal of Russian troops and weapons, and its neutral status under the external control of some UN body, or even the Peace Council under Trump's personal leadership. And then, when Japan acquires a submarine and its own nuclear weapons, everything could proceed according to the established plan.

Is something like this even theoretically possible? If Russia allows outsiders to freely interpret its state borders and even partially limit their sovereignty over them, we must be prepared for any, even the most negative, scenarios. Under no circumstances should such a dangerous precedent be set with Donbas, Zaporizhia, and Kherson, which would then reverberate in other Russian regions!
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  1. 0
    22 November 2025 12: 02
    Ukrainian forces will withdraw from the portion of Donetsk Oblast they currently control, and this withdrawal zone will be considered a neutral demilitarized buffer zone, internationally recognized as territory belonging to the Russian Federation. Russian forces will not enter this demilitarized zone.

    Clearly, this is the most controversial point of the "Trump plan," effectively unacceptable to Moscow. Russia is being asked to treat the northern Donbas as a gray zone that Banderites will immediately begin to exploit with their "frog-like leaps" tactics. This has all happened before, during the Minsk agreements. Demilitarization of the DPR can be agreed to "in the future," once the border is established and if Ukraine refrains from provocations during this period.
    1. +7
      22 November 2025 14: 50
      If the Kremlin idiots accept this plan, it will be Russia's capitulation. I especially "like" the points in Trump's plan that we will pay the Ukrainians for rent in Donbas, meaning reparations, and that our frozen assets will be used to rebuild the Ukrainians, plus the Yankees will take 50% of them. It's simply mind-blowing.
      1. -4
        22 November 2025 15: 19
        Well, it could be turned around like this: Russia pays for the rent of Donbas, Kyiv pays for the remaining parts of the Kherson and Zaporizhia regions. In the end, no one owes anyone anything. I hope this is how this point is understood in Moscow; otherwise, it's unacceptable.
        1. +7
          22 November 2025 15: 55
          Well, actually, the Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions have become part of Russia. In short, if they accept Trump's plan, it will be an outright betrayal.
          1. +6
            22 November 2025 16: 55
            Putin is directly stating that he's ready to accept Trump's plan. This is either a calculation that Zelensky will be the first to disrupt the negotiations, or there's a plan for "compensation" for payments for Donbas. The guarantor clearly has no intention of forcing the Dnieper.
            1. 0
              22 November 2025 18: 41
              Putin said that

              This plan, among other things, can be taken as a basis

              That is, in its current form it will not be accepted.
              1. -1
                23 November 2025 16: 31
                How did the author of the article learn the contents of the 28-point "Trump Plan"?
                I would like to receive a link to review... bully
      2. 0
        24 November 2025 15: 35
        If the Kremlin eccentrics accept this plan, it will be Russia's capitulation.

        How could it be otherwise? The West is convinced of the Kremlin's inability to achieve the stated goals of the Central Military District. For four years, Russia has convinced the West of its indecisiveness and the mere declarativeness of its red lines. How many times has the West violated them? In response, we have gestures of goodwill, grain deals, the Kursk shame, unpunished intimidation, assassinations and assassinations of key figures, attacks on the nuclear triad... The outside world has managed to convince the entire world that the Russian Armed Forces are incapable of large-scale combined arms operations... The fifth column is out of reach, the oligarchy suffers from the deprivation of its opportunities, and there is already a general fatigue from the lack of clear and unambiguous results, for example, the liberation of the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) has still not happened in four years, etc. And suddenly, understandably, they're becoming brazen—confident that time is on their side—they want to humiliate and even demolish the Kremlin towers. It's probably clear to many that the SVO can't continue in its current format. The question of "What to do?" is on the agenda. Time is running out.
    2. 0
      24 November 2025 12: 55
      Quote: Colonel Kudasov
      This is obviously the most controversial point of the Trump plan.

      The entire plan is controversial, if only because it was submitted to Ukraine for approval but was not submitted through an official channel for Russia's consideration. Diplomatic history is replete with cases where, once agreement was reached, an agreement took on almost the opposite meaning. Putin, however, is satisfied with it only as a framework. This doesn't constitute agreement on its content. It's simply a framework that will be the subject of debate.
  2. +16
    22 November 2025 12: 17
    Putin: "Lenin planted an 'atomic bomb' under Russia"

    Let me note that in Lenin's time, atomic weapons didn't yet exist. And there was 70 years to correct the mistakes.
    But by attempting to negotiate with Trump and sign a "peace plan" for Ukraine, Putin will truly be planting a nuclear bomb under Russia. And there won't be a moment left to fix anything.
    Why?
    Because the day after the signing of the "peace plan" for Ukraine, without Ukraine's inclusion in the EU and NATO, NATO troops will enter its territory along with all the weapons they have.
    And then what?!
    All that remains is to declare: "We have been deceived again...."
    1. +10
      22 November 2025 13: 14
      Quote: prior
      Putin: "Lenin planted an 'atomic bomb' under Russia"

      Lenin did what he had to do. His option was the only correct one at the time. Otherwise, restoring the state to virtually its 1914 borders would have been impossible.
    2. +2
      22 November 2025 14: 14
      Quote: prior
      Because the day after the signing of the "peace plan" for Ukraine, without Ukraine's inclusion in the EU and NATO, NATO troops will enter its territory.

      7. Ukraine agrees to include in its constitution a provision that it will not join NATO, and NATO agrees to include in its charter a provision that Ukraine will not be admitted in the future.
      8. NATO agreed not to deploy troops in Ukraine.
      1. -6
        22 November 2025 14: 37
        It's just that some people here aren't readers, but writers. Just like your opponent. And many have forgotten (or perhaps never knew) that "a bad peace is better than a good war."
        1. +4
          22 November 2025 15: 04
          Quote: k7k8
          A bad peace is better than a good war.

          If he does not allow the start of the next war.
          1. +2
            22 November 2025 17: 51
            It's time to emerge from the world of illusions. Peace will never last forever. Just as no war can last forever. Any peace is a system of compromises. And remember the Roman proverb

            Want peace - get ready for war
            1. +2
              22 November 2025 18: 51
              Quote: k7k8
              Peace will never last forever.

              Peace is a relative concept.
              I wrote that only the army, not a piece of paper, can guarantee the security of the state.

              Quote: k7k8
              Just as no war can last forever.

              Yes, of course. But there's always a loser, if not militarily, then geopolitically and economically.
              1. +1
                22 November 2025 19: 37
                Quote: vitgusin
                I wrote that only the army, not a piece of paper, can guarantee the security of the state.

                How does this change the fact that it’s time to end the carnage in Ukraine?
                1. +2
                  22 November 2025 20: 08
                  Quote: k7k8
                  How does this change the fact that it’s time to end the carnage in Ukraine?

                  It doesn't completely cancel it, but rather prevents it. The "slaughter" should have been ended after the failure of the Central Military District, when it turned into a war and it became clear that it would bring no gain other than damage to anyone.
                  If you read the 28-point nonsense, then point number 1 is always written
                  "Immediate cessation of hostilities" And they completely forgot about this.
                  But they didn't forget about financial compensation from the United States.
                  Read on and you will understand that the time we spend discussing this nonsense is more valuable than the paper it is written on.
                  1. 0
                    22 November 2025 22: 43
                    Quote: vitgusin
                    point number 1 is always written
                    "Immediate cessation of hostilities"

                    Who told you this nonsense? Or are you deliberately not telling the whole story? It must be
                    "Immediate cessation of hostilities, subject to... and beginning with..." And what you wrote is the text of capitulation, i.e., immediate and unconditional.
                    1. +1
                      22 November 2025 22: 54
                      Quote: k7k8
                      Immediate cessation of hostilities

                      "Capitulation" is written as the first word in the line surrender
                      A ceasefire or ceasefire on both sides is a sign that they are ready for the negotiation process.
                      1. 0
                        22 November 2025 23: 29
                        Once again, for the stubborn: an immediate ceasefire is subject to conditions. Your formulation is nothing less than capitulation, no matter how you wrap it up.
                      2. 0
                        23 November 2025 10: 54
                        Quote: k7k8
                        Once again for the stubborn

                        Ceasefire — is a temporary or complete cessation of hostilities between opposing parties. This may take the form of a formal treaty, an informal agreement, or a truce brokered by a third party. The main goal is stop aggression and create conditions for peace negotiations or humanitarian measures.
                        Surrender — the losing side simply ceases resistance, the troops surrender their weapons and equipment to the victors and march in orderly ranks to prisoner-of-war camps, and control of the state passes into the hands of the victors
      2. +4
        22 November 2025 14: 59
        The entire modern history of NATO is a history of unfulfilled promises towards Russia.
        1. -4
          22 November 2025 15: 03
          Quote: BMP-2
          The entire modern history of NATO is a history of unfulfilled promises towards Russia.

          Why did only NATO sign the Budapest Memorandum on security guarantees?
          1. 0
            22 November 2025 15: 27
            So who didn't do it first?
            1. -2
              22 November 2025 15: 57
              Quote: BMP-2
              So who didn't do it first?

              I'll leave that to you to decide.
              I'll just give you the facts.
              In the agreement, Ukraine gave up its Soviet-era nuclear arsenal in exchange for security guarantees, including respect for its independence, sovereignty, and existing borders.
              Key points of the agreement
              The United States, Great Britain and Russia have pledged to respect the independence, sovereignty and existing borders of Ukraine.
              The signatories agreed to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine.
              The memorandum also included a commitment to refrain from economic coercion that would subordinate Ukraine's rights to the interests of another state.
              In exchange for these guarantees, Ukraine agreed to give up its nuclear weapons and joined the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) as a non-nuclear-weapon state.
              And now my opinion.
              All guarantees written in modern society equal to -0
              There is only one guarantee that will ensure the integrity of a sovereign state. That is the state's modern armed forces.
              1. +3
                22 November 2025 17: 32
                Well, well, well. And the overthrow of the current government in 2014, as I understand it, is for you a "show of respect for Ukraine's independence and sovereignty." What a funny idea.
          2. 0
            22 November 2025 15: 57
            Has the memorandum been ratified by Russia? And by Ukraine?
            1. +1
              22 November 2025 16: 02
              Quote: ser-pov
              Has the memorandum been ratified by Russia? And by Ukraine?

              According to the Memorandum, Ukraine transferred to Russia 1900 strategic warheads, 176 intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) and 44 strategic bombers.
              1. 0
                22 November 2025 16: 42
                Well, of course she wouldn't have passed it on... There, both we and the Yankees put so much pressure on the crests that they almost turned to jam.
              2. +5
                22 November 2025 16: 43
                According to the Memorandum, Ukraine transferred to Russia 1900 strategic warheads, 176 intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) and 44 strategic bombers.

                This was a Soviet nuclear arsenal, not Ukrainian. Russia is officially the sole legal successor to the USSR. So Ukraine had to hand it over no matter what.
                1. +4
                  22 November 2025 18: 43
                  Quote: Beydodyr
                  It was the Soviet nuclear arsenal, not the Ukrainian one.

                  Well, everything there was Soviet, not just the nuclear arsenal.
                  The issue was different. The fear of its use affected both Belarus and Kazakhstan. This is something that the West still fears today.
          3. 0
            22 November 2025 17: 57
            You forgot to mention that a memorandum isn't a contract, but rather a memorandum of intent. It has no legal force and doesn't obligate anyone. Its fulfillment or non-fulfillment is no more than a manifestation or non-manifestation of goodwill. The ink and paper needed to create it are worth more than the document itself.
            1. +1
              22 November 2025 18: 57
              Quote: k7k8
              It has no special legal force and does not oblige anyone to anything.

              A memorandum is defined as a diplomatic document setting out factual, documentary or legal side of any issue.
              1. 0
                22 November 2025 19: 40
                Yes, you're right. You've defined a memorandum of intent. It doesn't have the characteristics of a contract, as it doesn't define the parties' rights and obligations, their liability for compliance/non-compliance, terms of validity, dispute resolution procedures, etc.
                1. +1
                  22 November 2025 19: 51
                  Quote: k7k8
                  because it does not define the rights and obligations of the parties

                  1 USA, Great Britain and Russia committed respect the independence, sovereignty and existing borders of Ukraine.
                  The signatories agreed to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine.
                  In exchange for these guarantees, Ukraine agreed to give up its nuclear weapons.
                  And she fulfilled her part of the agreement.
                  This is what any paper is worth, no matter what you call it.
                  Once again, a guarantee of the integrity of any sovereign state is her army!
                  1. -1
                    22 November 2025 22: 38
                    Why are you jabbing me with a separate clause? Once again, the agreement has a ton of mandatory sections. If even one of them is missing, there's no agreement. Is that clear? So, Moscow and Washington agreed to something, and Kyiv committed to something. So what? Where's the expiration date? Where are the parties' obligations to fulfill it? Where are the parties' responsibilities? Where is force majeure? Nope? Get lost with your protocol, Mr. Tsypsa.
                    1. +2
                      22 November 2025 23: 01
                      Quote: k7k8
                      Well, Kyiv committed to something there.

                      Ukraine made the commitment and fulfilled it.
                      You are a very unsuccessful "lawyer"

                      You are to blame for the fact that I want to eat
                      1. -1
                        22 November 2025 23: 30
                        There were a lot of promises there. How many of those promises were kept? And given those formulations, Kyiv had nowhere to go. Your Washington screwed everything up.
                        Bored with you.
                        Bye
                      2. 0
                        23 November 2025 11: 09
                        Quote: k7k8
                        Bored with you.

                        Yes, but this is not the case!
      3. +4
        22 November 2025 15: 16
        8. NATO agreed not to deploy troops in Ukraine.

        Have individual NATO members agreed to this? For example, will France or the UK be able to send their own non-NATO troops there separately?
        It's immediately obvious that VVP studied law at Leningrad State University.
        1. +2
          22 November 2025 16: 06
          Quote: Beydodyr
          And did individual NATO members agree to this?

          There's a strange discussion going on about something that hasn't been read. "I haven't read it, but I condemn it."
          Maybe it was necessary to publish 28 points and only then start discussing them.
          My opinion is that all the points were written by an inadequate person.
          1. +2
            22 November 2025 16: 41
            There's a strange discussion going on about something that hasn't been read. "I haven't read it, but I condemn it."

            Why not? The text was published by Ukrainian MP Goncharenko.

            My opinion is that all the points were written by an inadequate person.

            Trump has no idea what he's getting himself into. And Kiryukha Dmitriev is scrambling to sign something and get his kickback from the tunnel to the US before following Chubais to the West.
            1. 0
              22 November 2025 19: 05
              Quote: Beydodyr
              Why not? The text was published by Ukrainian MP Goncharenko.

              Goncharenko, a very reliable source.
              And you assume that everyone who writes comments here has read it?
              I wrote that it wasn't published here on the site, but everyone was vying with each other to comment on it.
  3. +8
    22 November 2025 12: 32
    Russia slept through all the Maidan protests on the outskirts and its pull into the orbit of the West and NATO. Hydrocarbon prices were good, and they even allowed people to keep their money there for later withdrawal. But these are minor details compared to the troubles that await them in the future for their position—maybe they'll resolve themselves. Now NATO is worried about the fate of its favorite toy against Russia and has rolled out some kind of peace plan that Russia supposedly can't refuse. Everything depends on those patriots in the Kremlin who have been trying to make peace with the West since 14, and there's little hope for them.
  4. +3
    22 November 2025 12: 56
    The so-called Trump Plan is a complete hoax.
    This is not a document, but just a set of phrases.
    All 28 points are nonsense, a relic written by anyone,
    but not by specialists or diplomats.

    The question is... why is this taken so seriously then?
    Answer: It's a pre-planned circus.
    We will see very soon why this is necessary.
    1. +5
      22 November 2025 14: 26
      The question is... why is this taken so seriously then?

      Because the Kremlin doesn’t know what to do with Ukraine.
      To make peace is not to make peace.
      To occupy (to liberate) - not to occupy.
      If you release, which part?
      To colonize or not to colonize.
      What kind of government should be established in Ukraine or should it be completely incorporated into Russia?
      If we turn it on completely, how can we prevent subversive and terrorist activities by a population that hates Russia?
      If we include only some of the regions, how can we ensure Russia’s security?
      The SVO was easy to start.
      But what should we do with it now?!
  5. 0
    22 November 2025 13: 03
    Zelensky is bending over backwards. Although there should be more disagreement with this plan. We need to liberate the areas that supply water to Luhansk and Donetsk. I believe the temporary border should run along the Dnieper, and no closer to us. Then we'll see.
  6. +5
    22 November 2025 13: 04
    Kyiv claimed that Russia was to blame for the Galushka corruption. Russia claimed that the United States was to blame for the Kremlin's sniveling.
  7. +5
    22 November 2025 13: 46
    What has truly left me dumbfounded is the constant terrified guess of whether the higher-ups will screw everything up or whether I'll get away with it...
    1. +1
      22 November 2025 14: 27
      If the elite are going to take this nonsense as a basis, then Russia will be crucified with the "crown of thorns" of the victor, just as Jesus was crucified in his time with the help of his "faithful" disciple.
  8. +2
    22 November 2025 14: 01
    Once again, someone is planting nuclear bombs under Russia... although, as we remember, Putin once accused Lenin of something similar (not verbatim).

    In reality, any plan will naturally not satisfy someone 100%.
    But loopholes can be found. (Or you might not even need to look for them, as with Nuclear Safeguards.)
    Sergei himself advocated for an "independent parallel Ukraine" that would bomb both Ukraine and NATO.
    and something similar can be done here.
    "By prohibiting her from deploying her troops there?" So let it be the troops of the "Abkhazia-Korea PMC," etc.
    Eventually, hire a couple of provocateurs, blow up an empty barn, and off we go...
    1. 0
      23 November 2025 11: 01
      Yes, this still works:
      https://dzen.ru/a/Zsx0gMAgcVd-eVER
  9. +1
    22 November 2025 14: 13
    As always, the last hope is the idiocy and stubbornness of the cocaine addict and his masters, and the Kremlin's XXPs will, as usual, outsmart themselves and, in the end, "we've been deceived again." There are even fewer roads and fools than rakes in the Kremlin.
    1. -1
      23 November 2025 09: 50
      Quote: rotkiv04
      .. in the end, "we were deceived again," even the roads and fools are now fewer than the rakes in the Kremlin

      Why is this so? No... there are many, many times more fools. And not in the Kremlin at all. It is precisely in the Kremlin that the smart people are. laughing hi
  10. +1
    22 November 2025 15: 01
    Trump's plan doesn't suit Russia, but it's even less so for V. Zelensky, who faces the prospect of being ousted from power through elections.
    Russia must agree to this compromise plan – as a respite to build up its economic muscles!
  11. +4
    22 November 2025 17: 25
    This "plan" offers nothing for Russia other than a simple freeze on the SVO. And most importantly, Ukraine will not comply with it from the very first hour.
    1. -1
      23 November 2025 00: 32
      Quote: Grencer81
      Ukraine will not comply with it from the very first hour.

      Well, that's clear to any sane person. It will be, as always, "we were deceived." sad
      1. 0
        23 November 2025 18: 16
        First, it still needs to be accepted...
  12. +1
    22 November 2025 19: 18
    There is only one solution for Ukraine in favor of the people of Russia. The state of Ukraine must cease to exist. The entire territory of Ukraine must return to Russia, in the form of regions. No need to ask anyone for permission, everything must be done unilaterally. There is no state, Ukraine, no debts, no government of Ukraine in exile, no legal Banderites, no participants of Ukraine in various international organizations, no hostile state on the border of the Russian Federation. Russia will strengthen its economic and military-political influence in the world, there will be direct access to Tiraspol and Chisinau. The northwestern part of the Black Sea will belong to Russia. NATO will lose the ability to use Ukraine against Russia.
    Even if part of the state of Ukraine is left, then today and in the future, Russia will always have an enemy in the person of Ukraine. Ukraine will definitely join NATO and will definitely attack Russia. Everything that is promised and will be spelled out in the Constitution of Ukraine, in its documents, Ukraine will change, in the way that is beneficial to the United States and its satellites.
    Any half-hearted decision is the defeat and capitulation of the Russian Federation to NATO.
    The Kremlin is willing to sign anything to return to "holy times," but it has a primal fear of losing power. Three and a half years of the SVO in Ukraine have drawn several million active Russian citizens to this issue. There's also the example of the "Prigozhin Rebellion," where events unfold quickly, spontaneously, and are supported by the population. All the media and security forces can't stop millions. That's why the government is stalling, talking, and looking for an opening. They don't need victory, they don't need defeat; they need to preserve themselves and their wealth.
  13. +2
    23 November 2025 00: 31
    Ukraine's refusal joining NATO, and for Nezalezhnaya - the preservation of its sovereignty, a huge 600-thousand-strong army and the opportunity accession to the EU

    How is joining the EU different from joining NATO? Both are equally Russophobic organizations. Just don't get me started on the idea that the EU isn't a military alliance.
  14. -2
    23 November 2025 08: 43
    At whose expense will Ukraine be rebuilt? What punishment will those responsible for creating Bandera's anti-Russian regime face? The United States is among the culprits. Who will pay for all this?
  15. 0
    23 November 2025 09: 47
    The 28-point plan, already being dubbed the "Trump peace plan," was initially just a Russian proposal. However, it was leaked to the media and began to be discussed as an American plan. This was reported on Saturday, November 22, by PBS News correspondent Nick Schifrin on social media.

    P.S. Oops, what a twist! A Kyiv Jew (not Zelensky) was the one who created all this for Russia.
  16. 0
    23 November 2025 10: 11
    The ideas of those who advocate Russia's capitulation are laid out in detail, in the style of "and Katz suggests surrender." Threats come from all sides, and if we begin to resist, civilized Western countries will turn their backs on us completely. In other words, victory is impossible.
  17. -1
    23 November 2025 10: 55
    The United States never recognized the Baltic states' accession to the USSR in 1940, until 1991. But this didn't result in any "atomic bombing of statehood." The US national basketball team came to Vilnius in 1979 for a pre-Olympic tournament and even won. Baltic athletes with Soviet passports received US visas and competed in the US for the USSR team. And so on. We, too, could refuse to recognize the Klaipėda Region as part of Lithuania – what would change?
  18. 0
    23 November 2025 14: 43
    Accepting/signing this... hmm... plan would be a betrayal on our part.
  19. +1
    24 November 2025 00: 24
    It is impossible for us and Ukraine to conduct negotiations, since a legislative ban on negotiations with Russia has been introduced in Ukraine. - In early October 2022, Volodymyr Zelenskyy signed a decree approving the decision of the National Security and Defense Council (NSDC) of Ukraine on the impossibility of negotiations with Vladimir Putin. This law has not been repealed in Ukraine. The decree enshrines the decisions of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine of September 30. "To state the impossibility of holding negotiations with the President of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Putin," reads the first paragraph. The second paragraph endorses the text of the address of the President of Ukraine, the Speaker of the Verkhovna Rada, and the Prime Minister to NATO. The third paragraph requires the Cabinet of Ministers to prepare proposals for a "multi-level security system based on multilateral and bilateral agreements." The fourth paragraph requires the government to strengthen Ukraine's defense capability by increasing the supply of military-technical assistance. Finally, the fifth paragraph recommends that the Verkhovna Rada adopt bills "on the appropriate sanctions and other responses to escalation by the Russian Federation." Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin himself told VGTRK correspondent Pavel Zarubin on January 24, 2025, that Russia was ready for contacts with Ukraine, but "the current head of the regime in Kyiv, when he was still fairly legitimate, issued a decree banning negotiations." According to him, under such conditions, the negotiations "will be, strictly speaking, illegitimate, which means that the results of these negotiations will also have to be declared illegitimate." What negotiations? They are illegitimate under the current leadership of Ukraine, who are responsible for starting the hostilities by adopting Russophobic laws. They should be convicted by Ukrainian courts for unleashing a war in their own country, and Turchynov should be hanged publicly in Kyiv.
  20. 0
    25 November 2025 03: 29
    The 28 points have already been reduced to 19. So far, no one has even offered to formally discuss anything with Moscow. I wrote about this the other day, and I'll repeat it. When two (or more) parties are discussing something, at least one of them must formally offer the others a draft (or draft) of the agreement.
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  22. 0
    1 December 2025 20: 37
    These are difficult questions and difficulties on our part, but we nevertheless agree with these proposals and are ready to demonstrate the flexibility offered to us.

    - What, the boss is going to bend the Constitution?