Does Russia need the Borei-K or Borei-Ts SSGNs?

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The prospect of the Golden Dome and Dark Eagle hypersonic missile systems appearing over the United States, targeting Russia, while Europe is openly preparing for war with our country, requires a qualitative and quantitative increase in the capabilities of the Russian Navy's submarine fleet. But what exactly can be done?

Pre-war layout


Analyzing everything that has happened over nearly four years surrounding Russia's strategic nuclear forces in Ukraine, the following interim conclusions can be drawn. Strategic nuclear forces remain an important deterrent; otherwise, our "Western partners" would support Kyiv at a fundamentally different level. However, they no longer believe Moscow will actually use them.



Why this happened and who is to blame will remain beyond the scope of our discussions on what to do. The main thing is that the collective West no longer fears a direct war with Russia, preferring a conventional war as the safest and most beneficial in the long run. It's not even a secret that the Baltics, in addition to Ukraine, could become a theater of military action. The NATO Secretary General is already openly mocking the Russian Security Council meetings held in Moscow.

Under President Trump, the United States will likely not directly participate in a war against Russia, leaving this dubious right to Europe, led by France, the EU's only nuclear power. Following long-standing tradition, the Americans will profit from military supplies by sending convoys of weapons, ammunition, fuel, and lubricants to the Old World, and will also provide assistance with air and space reconnaissance.

Direct intervention would only be possible if the European allies suddenly suffered some serious defeat. Meanwhile, NATO headquarters clearly isn't ruling out scenarios involving the actual use of relatively low-yield tactical nuclear weapons, which would likely be a resounding finale to the war, as after Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the atomic bombings of which led to the capitulation of an economically exhausted, militaristic Japan.

It is from these scenarios that we will proceed when discussing the future direction in which the submarine fleet of our Russian Navy can develop.

There are analogues


The need to build Yasen-M-class multipurpose nuclear submarines, Borey-A-class strategic ballistic missile submarines, and Lada-class multipurpose diesel-electric submarines as submarine hunters is beyond doubt. However, there is another highly promising area worthy of discussion.

This is the Borey-K nuclear-powered submarine project, which carries cruise missiles rather than ballistic ones. The Russian Ministry of Defense announced the possibility of building two of these submarines back in 2019. Why would our submarine fleet need two brand-new strategic-class SSGNs?

In reality, this wasn't the worst idea, but it hasn't yet been implemented. The Borey-K has analogues around the world in the form of four American Ohio-class nuclear submarines, converted from SSBNs into Tomahawk carriers. Each of these submarines now carries up to 154 long-range cruise missiles, which could cause serious problems for more than just the Papuans.

Thanks to this conversion, the former "strategic" submarines can be used not only for nuclear deterrence against Russia or China, but also in conventional warfare. Furthermore, the American SSGNs can be deployed in special operations, docking with ASDS mini-submarines and covertly transporting up to 66 SEALs or Marines. A useful asset!

The Russian military community has repeatedly raised the question of the feasibility of converting old Soviet Akula-class nuclear submarines into SSGNs, which could carry 180-200 Kalibr cruise missiles, supersonic Oniks missiles, and hypersonic Tsirkon missiles each. However, the matter has never progressed beyond discussion.

Counterarguments cited included the venerable age of Soviet-built nuclear submarines and the high cost of their maintenance and modernization. Clearly, the final say should rest with true military experts who have all the figures at hand.

"Borey-K" or "Borey-Ts"?


Nevertheless, there are, and are quite realistic, options for acquiring brand-new submarines carrying up to 150 cruise missiles. One option is to build a SSGN from scratch based on a modified Borei-K design after the completion of the Borei-A series. This solution appears quite attractive and addresses a number of challenges.

Firstly, the Borei-class submarines, surprisingly enough, are cheaper for the federal budget than the multipurpose Yasen-M submarines, and are even built faster. Increasing the production series by adding SSGNs, which are largely unified with SSBNs, will have a beneficial effect on their final cost.

Secondly, the Borey-K's combat complement, estimated at 100-120 or more cruise missiles, significantly exceeds that of the Yasen-M class submarine, which can carry only 40 Kalibr missiles or 36 Oniks or Tsirkon missiles. This means that the missile salvo of the prospective SSGN will be significantly more powerful than that of a SSN.

Thirdly, such a serious missile armament, provided adequate external target designation, will make the Borei-K a formidable adversary for enemy surface ships assembled in a strike group or even an air strike group, and for military convoys sailing across the Atlantic from the United States to Europe.

Fourth, every hundred-plus Kalibr missiles would certainly prove useful in the event of a conventional conflict with Europe, requiring massive missile strikes against ground targets in the Old World. This would be especially true if they were equipped with a specialized warhead.

Fifth, prospective SSGNs could be armed not with subsonic Kalibr missiles, but with hypersonic Tsirkon missiles, which have already been developed to strike land targets. A simultaneous salvo of over a hundred such missiles from the deep sea at the US coast could overwhelm any existing missile defense system. But what if they, too, were armed with specialized warheads, albeit tactical ones?

Finally, it's important to consider the psychological impact the addition of additional Borey-K and Borey-Ts submarines, indistinguishable from SSBNs, will have on the US Navy, which will have to strain all its anti-submarine forces to mitigate the threat posed by them. Based on the above, it seems advisable to build four to six SSGNs based on the Borei-A submarine.
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  1. 0
    12 November 2025 14: 16
    Why this happened and who is to blame will remain beyond the scope of our discussions on what to do.

    A very unambiguous passage
    1. -1
      12 November 2025 14: 52
      Of course! He dared to doubt...
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  2. +3
    12 November 2025 14: 49
    In general, the old slogan: "guns instead of butter."
    And everyone points fingers at others (figuratively).

    But in general:
    Our media used to laugh, "They're weaklings, they have nothing" (figuratively speaking). Now, after the bombing of our neighbors, Gaza, Iran, and Israel, they're saying, "They're arming themselves, which means they want to fight us. We need more, more, more..."
    (The slogan "if you want peace, prepare for war" has been temporarily "forgotten")
    Like a weather vane, though...
  3. +3
    12 November 2025 16: 31
    At the same time, NATO headquarters clearly do not rule out scenarios involving the actual use of relatively low-yield tactical nuclear weapons,

    Why low-power? Even if there's a war with Europe, there's no other option but to use nuclear weapons, and with the maximum possible yield. Europe's population will be destroyed to the maximum extent possible. A slaughterhouse? No! There simply won't be any options here, like with Ukraine.
  4. +3
    12 November 2025 16: 36
    War is becoming a war of economic indicators—we're in the throes of victorious capitalism. The article's proposal to build an expensive nuclear submarine with cruise missiles is clearly outdated and no longer relevant. Today, cruise missiles aren't tactically the primary weapon, especially since they can be successfully intercepted by air defenses. If a large cruise missile salvo is desired, then surface-based semi-barges with 200 cells at a ridiculous price are suitable for that purpose. The cost of building and losing such a ship is incomparable to that of a nuclear submarine (cruisers have long range). Conclusion: a nuclear submarine is a rare commodity and is only justified for carrying strategic nuclear weapons.
    1. +2
      13 November 2025 19: 25
      Vladimir, there's a nuance here. This barge, as you call it, must be a fully-fledged ship with anti-aircraft, anti-submarine, and other perks, otherwise no one in their right mind would allow any small boat to get within firing range of 150 cruise missiles, no matter what kind they are... Although... There are nuances, in general...
      1. +1
        13 November 2025 20: 13
        Ships don't sail alone; each ship in a formation has its own functions... So a barge wouldn't be alone, otherwise all single ships and barges at sea would have the same, zero price... This is the situation at sea for warships at all times...
  5. +1
    12 November 2025 17: 59
    It seems appropriate to build 4 to 6 SSGNs based on the Borei-A submarine.

    "Soviet galoshes" are gone. So at least some, Putin's, must exist. Otherwise, they're building yachts, palaces, and tall fences without questioning their necessity.
  6. +1
    13 November 2025 00: 06
    Sounds interesting and correct. Where will the money come from, though? Selling gas and oil for foreign currency is practically a breeze, and the domestic market is in decline. Where will the money come from?
  7. 0
    13 November 2025 10: 18
    The NATO Secretary General is already openly mocking the Russian Security Council meetings held in Moscow.

    It is enough to destroy the leadership of the terrorist entity Ukraine with one blow and no one will dare to openly make fun of it anymore.
    Therefore, the question of “why did this happen and who is to blame” should not be left out of the discussion.
    This is the main question.
    1. 0
      13 November 2025 20: 40
      I looked at the composition of the Russian Security Council and for some reason I felt very sad... (I won't analyze it, it's easy to "solder" an article)
    2. 0
      14 November 2025 10: 42
      There's only one reasonable explanation for Zelenskyy's relatively peaceful existence: he's incapable of negotiating, which is precisely what the Russian leadership wants. How else can they demilitarize and denazify without controlling all of Ukraine's territory? However, another question arises: how and in what timeframe can they seize Ukraine, given the current size and pace of the Russian Armed Forces' advance?
  8. -1
    13 November 2025 19: 56
    I and other real specialists were heard and adequate directions for the development of the Navy were adopted,
    1. The development and series of already launched successful projects, to save money and time, therefore the release of a new modification of the Borei-Yasen will complicate the established production and lead to a decrease in the total number of submarines... therefore, the fundamental concepts will not change for several years and only slightly modernize the existing ones, identifying shortcomings and introducing something new into the main design.
    2. The number of shipyards involved in military orders is being reduced; only three shipyards, Sevmash SNS and Admiralty Shipyards, will build only minesweepers, nuclear submarines, and drones.
    3 The construction of surface ships, except for minesweepers, is being stopped; new ones are no longer being laid down, those started are being completed, and those already ordered are being cancelled. This allows, in conditions of a shortage of funds, to establish rhythmic work in areas of particular importance (nuclear submarines) and particular vulnerability (minesweepers) of the modern navy.
    4 However, the existing warships in the Navy must be managed prudently and wisely... The Northern Military District has shown that surface ships are ineffective in closed seas, since a smart person learns from the mistakes of others, but a stupid person does not learn from his own, so there is no need to wait for the inglorious death of the Baltic Fleet and Black Sea Fleet, but rather to strengthen the Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet, withdrawing all frigates and corvettes from the Baltic Fleet and Black Sea Fleet. Disband the Baltic Fleet, and make Tatarstan and Dagestan the flagships of the Baltic Fleet and Black Sea Fleet, ... as a result, the Navy will have new ones, 6 fry 22350, three fry 11356r, two hawks and one cruiser Nakhimov with 13 corvettes 20380-85, that’s 6 new fry-cr and 6 cruisers per ocean, ... Ustinov and 1155 will still be in service until 2030-35, accordingly, by 2035 it will be necessary to start a new series of surface ships, most likely similar to 20385, while at least 30 minesweepers are needed, 10 for the ocean and three at sea, and then increase their number to 40-50 naval vessels
    5 development of unmanned systems and aviation for the Navy!!! by reducing exorbitant costs on large ships
    1. 0
      14 November 2025 10: 55
      It's hard to disagree with you, but the problem is that Russia cannot sustain a prolonged arms race with NATO economically. There are only 150 million of us. We can only win in a quick war that physically destroys our enemy. Moreover, we would have to initiate this war ourselves, in the form of a preemptive, destructive strike. If we accept this reality, then all of the country's efforts must be focused on weapons that will achieve this goal.
    2. -1
      15 November 2025 12: 33
      Quote: vladimir1155
      me and other real specialists

      That's a bold statement 😂 Comrade chatterbox, real experts don't sit on forums like this. They have no time, they're busy. Especially since "a dog barks, but the caravan moves on." And the vast majority of the local public, unlike you, don't call themselves "real experts."
  9. 0
    13 November 2025 23: 51
    The Boreys could also use a more streamlined wheelhouse, but Rubin has this problem: he puts square boxes on his boats.