What could Russia spend its money on instead of the nuclear Poseidon?

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In the past few days, news has emerged of the successful tests of two new types of nuclear weapons—the Burevestnik and the Poseidon—on which the Russian leadership clearly places great hopes as a means of strategic deterrence. Is it worth it?

Putin's Torpedo


We'll cover the subsonic Burevestnik cruise missile, equipped with a nuclear power plant, in detail. told earlier, having come to the conclusion that its advantages in the form of almost unlimited flight range and time in the air are offset by the possibility of interception by conventional air defense systems.



The nuclear-powered underwater drone "Poseidon," formerly known as "Status-6," is now the focus of media attention. President Putin personally reported on its successful testing:

Yesterday, another test of another promising system was conducted – the Poseidon underwater unmanned vehicle, also with a nuclear power plant <...> This is a huge success... In terms of the speed and depth of movement of this unmanned vehicle, there is nothing like it in the world – and it is unlikely to appear anytime soon... But the Poseidon’s power significantly exceeds that of even our most promising intercontinental-range missile, the Sarmat.

It's clear that the Poseidon submarine, like the Burevestnik, is being considered as a new strategic deterrent for the United States and NATO as a whole, alongside the NSNF and the Strategic Missile Forces. However, there are some doubts about the practical utility of these seemingly promising weapons.

There are no analogues, but why?


The Status-6 project, later renamed Poseidon, was subjected to harsh criticism in the Russian expert community literally from the moment of its "accidental" exposure in the federal media in 2015. Among its weaknesses, the following were cited.

Firstly, there are doubts that a craft moving at a depth of more than 1 km at a speed of 60-70 knots (110-130 km/h) could remain undetected by a potential adversary's anti-submarine warfare systems. If it were to "sneak" at low speed, the US Navy would have considerable time to search for it, ranging from several days to a couple of weeks.

Secondly, even at such a depth, the Poseidon could be destroyed on a collision course by a series of strikes from deep-sea nuclear weapons or high-precision torpedoes, such as Mk50 torpedoes or the US Navy's ATT anti-torpedoes.

Thirdly, the Poseidons require carrier submarines, for which Project 949A submarines, appropriately rebuilt, have been selected. These include the Belgorod (Project 09852), the Khabarovsk (Project 09851) is already under construction, the Orenburg (Project 09853), and a fourth submarine, each carrying eight "Putin torpedoes," is planned.

And all would be well, but these submarines, like Russian SSBNs, would themselves be among the top targets for American Virginia-class submarines, which would track them right from their naval bases. This means that in the event of a real war with the US, it's not a given that they would even be allowed to leave their moorings and be destroyed along with their nuclear torpedoes.

On the other hand, the construction of four specialized "Poseidon-carrying" submarines at once means that the Russian Navy is losing four multi-purpose nuclear submarines that could, for example, launch Kalibr strikes on the coast or attack enemy carrier-carrying groups with supersonic Oniks and hypersonic Tsirkons.

Finally, the justification for relying on radioactive contamination of the enemy's coastline as a result of Poseidon deployment raises some doubts. If a real nuclear war between the US and Russia were to break out, with the "whole world in ruins" principle, then humaneness would be out of the question, but there are questions about whether Burevestnik and Poseidon would actually be deployed in time.

If Washington and Moscow choose to limit themselves to tactical nuclear strikes to demonstrate their resolve, the Poseidon missile would be excessive in its power. Moreover, the large-scale radioactive contamination of both US ocean coasts, if actually used, would have extremely negative environmental consequences. economic и political character, making Russia a “pariah” country in the face of the entire “global majority”.

So it turns out that the budget funds spent on Poseidon were wasted?

(Useless) "wunderwaffes"?


It all depends on how you look at it. Clearly, the Kremlin is hoping to intimidate its "Western partners" by raising the stakes, and at the same time, acquire a "wonder weapon" as an asymmetric response to President Trump's "Golden Dome," which could significantly reduce Russia's strategic deterrence potential.

Let's remember that the USSR first considered the idea of ​​a "nuclear torpedo" as a response to the US Strategic Defense Initiative, which at the time was technically unfeasible. Now, alas, it can!

Unfortunately, neither the Burevestnik nor the Poseidon missiles themselves will fundamentally change this situation. Worse, a single American Ohio-class submarine armed with a Trident ICBM somewhere in the Mediterranean or Barents Sea, capable of reaching Moscow in 5-10 minutes, poses a far greater real danger than these "wonder weapons."

It would be more rational to direct budget funds, instead of the Poseidon, toward the construction of modern nuclear submarines, submarine-hunter submarines, minesweepers, anti-submarine corvettes, multi-purpose frigates and destroyers, anti-submarine aircraft, etc. In other words, we need to strengthen our naval component of the nuclear triad as much as possible.

The Belgorod, already built as a "Poseidon-carrying" submarine, can be retained, while the remaining three nuclear submarines intended for this purpose should be converted into proper multi-purpose submarines that would be truly effective in both a nuclear and a conventional conflict. Meanwhile, the proven capabilities of the Burevestnik and Poseidon Technology can be used in other, more practical types of weapons.

For example, the integration of a compact, low-noise nuclear turbogenerator into diesel submarines is being discussed, significantly improving their performance characteristics. Furthermore, the concept of nuclear-powered underwater unmanned vehicles appears quite promising, but not as nuclear torpedoes.

In particular, they could be used for covert installation and maintenance. bottom-launched ballistic missiles, which in themselves would be a serious response to Trump's "Golden Dome."
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  1. +4
    31 October 2025 13: 29
    If Washington and Moscow choose to limit themselves to tactical nuclear strikes to demonstrate their resolve, the Poseidon missile would be excessive in power. Moreover, the large-scale radioactive contamination of both US ocean coasts, if actually used, would have extremely negative environmental, economic, and political consequences, making Russia a "pariah" state among the global majority.

    1. Tactical nuclear strikes between Russia and the United States will not be enough. Russia's tactical nuclear weapons will not reach the United States.

    2. The United States dropped two nuclear bombs on unsuspecting residents of two Japanese cities. It's hard to see how this made them a "pariah state." On the contrary, Japan is now a loyal and obedient ally of the United States.
    Generally speaking, we're used to viewing geopolitics and war from the perspective of humanism, honor, and conscience. In the West, they have a completely different perspective. They respect brutal force and the willingness to use it. If you don't believe me, just remember how the US wiped Dresden off the face of the Earth.
    1. -5
      31 October 2025 20: 58
      2. The United States dropped two nuclear bombs on unsuspecting residents of two Japanese cities.

      By that time, American aircraft had been bombing Japanese cities for several years and the residents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki did not suspect anything?

      Somehow it doesn't seem to make them a "pariah state".

      Remember, Japan invaded the United States, not the other way around. It conquered part of China and all of Southeast Asia, committing monstrous atrocities along the way. The atomic bombing led to Japan's surrender and ended the war, saving millions of Japanese who would have died had it continued. The United States brought democracy to Japan, and as a result, Japan is thriving. Why should they hold a grudge against the United States?
      1. +1
        31 October 2025 21: 24
        Quote from Pembo
        By that time, American aircraft had been bombing Japanese cities for several years and the residents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki did not suspect anything?

        The bombing of cities consisted of raids by dozens of bombers. Such an armada was visible from afar, and fighters were usually dispatched to intercept it.
        Stop being so clever, Pembo, and just read the chronicles. It's all described in detail, how the residents of Hiroshima ignored a single bomber... Most of them never understood what happened.

        Quote from Pembo
        Don't forget that Japan attacked the United States, not the other way around. And it conquered part of China and all of Southeast Asia, committing monstrous atrocities along the way.

        Japan was a Nazi state and an ally of Nazi Germany. So you're saying that the use of nuclear weapons can be justified, right?

        Quote from Pembo
        The US brought democracy to Japan and as a result Japan is thriving, why should they be offended by the US?

        The 20th century was a period of the collapse of monarchies and people's desire for freedom. A historical breakdown. This was a rather arbitrary event, largely due to the emergence of the USSR, which forced the elites of other countries to implement social reforms. In the modern world, democracy has already become degenerate. However, this is a very broad topic, and I'm not prepared to delve into it here.

        The United States didn't invent democracy and has never brought it anywhere. And if you don't believe me, just count the number of dictatorships that were beneficial to Washington, fully supported by the US government, with the help of CIA agents. And some bloody dictatorships actually arose thanks to the CIA's activities.

        A direct question to you: in what specific case do you justify the use of nuclear weapons?
        1. -2
          31 October 2025 21: 31
          A direct question to you: in what specific case do you justify the use of nuclear weapons?

          I justify its use at locations where nuclear weapons carriers are based and where they are stored.
          1. +1
            31 October 2025 21: 41
            Quote from Pembo
            I justify its use at locations where nuclear weapons carriers are based and where they are stored.

            Thank you for your reply. The next question is for you (honest and truthful): Japan had no nuclear weapons carrier bases or storage facilities. Does this mean the US committed a war crime?
            1. +2
              31 October 2025 21: 58
              You're a demagogue. I explained to you in simple terms why I think the use of nuclear weapons was justified back then. Because it stopped the war. And war means death and destruction from conventional weapons no less monstrous than from nuclear weapons.
              1. -2
                31 October 2025 22: 10
                Quote from Pembo
                You are a demagogue

                Everyone here is a demagogue, including you.

                Quote from Pembo
                I explained to you in simple terms why I consider the use of nuclear weapons to be justified at that time.

                You wrote: "because Japan attacked"... that's all. So, in response to aggression, nuclear weapons can be used, even against cities.

                Read the definition of aggression in modern international law. It's not limited to direct attacks. For example, an act of aggression includes allowing one's territory to develop and operate for terrorist organizations whose actions are directed against another state. Similarly, training and deploying reconnaissance and sabotage groups into another state's territory is considered an act of aggression. All forms of preparation for war are also considered aggression. This includes increasing military production, which disrupts the balance of power in the region, developing and advancing military infrastructure toward the borders of another state, and accumulating military potential on the border of another state.

                Quote from Pembo
                I justify its use at locations where nuclear weapons carriers are based and where they are stored.

                In a massive nuclear weapons exchange, one side takes the lead. According to science, it launches a counterforce strike against "basing and storage sites" (as you put it), attempting to reduce the enemy's retaliatory strike potential.
                The other side is now launching a counterattack, a so-called "counter-value strike." The fact is, attacking "basing and storage sites" (as you put it) is no longer meaningful; the enemy's missiles have left their silos... the strike is aimed at industrial, energy, and, most importantly, human potential... simply because a real war won't end with an exchange of massive nuclear strikes; it will begin with them. Then the survivors will continue to wage war with the remnants of their armies, weapons, and logistical resources.
                So, in the doctrines of all countries possessing nuclear weapons there is a plan for both striking at “basing and storage sites” and at other “potentials” of the enemy.
                Well, something like that.
                1. 0
                  31 October 2025 22: 13
                  Hiroshima and Nagasaki were simply sacrificed. You could say it was a Holocaust. The result? The real perpetrators escaped trial, and the United States gained control of Japan. am
                  Yes, they also tested nuclear weapons and scared others.
                  1. 0
                    31 October 2025 22: 15
                    Quote: isofat
                    The real criminals escaped justice, and the United States gained control of Japan.

                    The real criminals were the ones who gained control of Japan... laughing
                    1. +1
                      31 October 2025 22: 18
                      I'm talking about the Japanese "comrades" who weren't touched.
                      1. 0
                        31 October 2025 22: 20
                        Quote: isofat
                        I'm talking about the Japanese "comrades" who weren't touched.

                        I understand you perfectly. But the Japanese criminals are just a trifle. The US is the biggest predator on planet Earth, and the Japanese are mere children in comparison. The US has its roots in England. And these guys have committed genocide on half the world... laughing
                      2. -1
                        31 October 2025 22: 35
                        The United States is not a state at all. It is a social organism, an artificial one. Yes
                      3. +1
                        31 October 2025 22: 35
                        Quote: isofat
                        The United States is not a state at all. It is a social organism, an artificial one.

                        laughing
                      4. +2
                        31 October 2025 22: 45
                        Don't laugh. I'm almost serious. Wasserman calls them something else too.
                        But the theory of social organisms is only in its infancy. smile
                      5. +1
                        31 October 2025 23: 19
                  2. -1
                    1 November 2025 15: 35
                    Isofat, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not "mere victims." During World War II, Hiroshima housed the headquarters of the 59th Army, the 5th and 224th Divisions, and the headquarters of the Second Command—a force commanded by Marshal Shunroku Hata that was to meet Allied forces in the event of their landing in southern Japan. At the same time, the city served as an important strategic port, industrial, and military center, producing components for the air force, navy, and small arms. Nagasaki also enjoyed the status of a major strategic seaport during World War II, and was home to major shipbuilding, weapons, and steel factories. Therefore, a strategic strike aimed at the complete destruction of military installations was more than justified from a military perspective. Whether the methods used were justified is still debated, but as Elchin Safarli once said:

                    Everyone has their own truth, but the truth is always one

                    The truth is that it was precisely after these bombings that the Emperor of Japan signed the capitulation.
                    1. +2
                      1 November 2025 15: 38
                      The destruction of Japanese cities was sacrifice, or the Holocaust! am am
                      1. 0
                        1 November 2025 16: 46
                        https://ibirzha.kz/yadernyj-holokost-2/
              2. +6
                1 November 2025 13: 01
                Read History. The war was stopped by the Soviet Army. The nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki had no impact on the outcome of the war. The results of the war showed that the United States, despite its might, could not have defeated Japan without the intervention of the USSR, even with the use of nuclear weapons. Read the primary sources of history.
                1. -2
                  1 November 2025 13: 43
                  Read History. The war was stopped by the Soviet Army. The nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki had no impact on the outcome of the war.

                  Wow! What you won't learn here!
                  1. +2
                    1 November 2025 14: 57
                    Quote: AlexZN
                    Wow! What you won't learn here!

                    You'll find out more here. And this is the most neutral article on Wikipedia, which has long been compromised in terms of politics and sociology.

                    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Дискуссия_о_целесообразности_атомных_бомбардировок_Хиросимы_и_Нагасаки
                    1. -4
                      1 November 2025 15: 51
                      New knowledge again! I managed a very large, world-class archive for a long time and had access to a great many documents... Now they're suggesting I read Wikipedia)))
                      1. 0
                        1 November 2025 15: 55
                        Quote: AlexZN
                        New knowledge again! I managed a very large, world-class archive for a long time and had access to a great many documents... Now they're suggesting I read Wikipedia)))

                        I didn't notice from behind the monitor, did you beat your chest when you wrote this?
                        And yet, against the backdrop of the active activity of telephone scammers from the territory of a former neighboring state, we have somehow significantly reduced our trust in words... but you try, suddenly someone will fall for it... laughing
                      2. 0
                        1 November 2025 16: 04
                        but you try, suddenly someone will get caught...

                        And will he believe that the earth is not flat?
                      3. +1
                        1 November 2025 16: 16
                        Quote: AlexZN
                        And will he believe that the earth is not flat?

                        Were you giving physics lessons here? I didn't see it, could you show me where?
                        When there's nothing to object to in terms of content, they start nitpicking spelling and punctuation. I'm not saying there's no difference between whose bomb fell on an apartment building and whose on a factory full of workers. I'm saying that the actions of the Anglo-Saxons (and other Europeans, for that matter) have always been precisely this cynical and cruel. But for some reason, it's Russia that the "liberal public" calls on to uphold moral standards and humanism, and they're especially vocal when they need to find something to blame Russia for.

                        But if you're so keen to continue this pointless dialogue, you could go over the war crimes and genocides committed by the US and Britain throughout their history. But why waste my time on that when we have the "whole" manager of the largest intergalactic data archive right here?

                        On the other hand, if you're not engaged in propaganda or politics here, but are competent and ready to present historical facts, then write an article with references, as is expected in academia. Then everyone will immediately understand what a top-notch specialist you are. Right now, all you're doing is picking apart meaningless inaccuracies in details. On the other hand, thank you, I've learned more about the bombing of Dresden. Has this changed my overall position? No! The US and Britain committed war crimes and genocide.
                      4. +1
                        1 November 2025 17: 00
                        The US and Britain committed war crimes and genocide.

                        Like all world powers, Russia, among others,
                      5. +1
                        1 November 2025 17: 06
                        Quote: AlexZN
                        Like all world powers, Russia, among others,

                        Yes, Russia is certainly not an angelic state and never has been, but don't generalize; be specific. You resort to a lot of polemical ploys (if necessary, I could list them all here, but is it really necessary?). So, the false equation (placing the USSR on the same level with Nazi Germany, or modern Russia with the United States) is just as much of a polemical ploy. The USSR was a highly controversial state, but there can be no comparison with the crimes of Nazi Germany. The same applies to the historical activities of the United States and Britain. These most successful of the Europeans actually grabbed two whole new continents for themselves, wiping out the local populations. Britain's exploits through the then-private military companies of the East India Company in India and China are a no less extensive topic. So I suggest we avoid resorting to false comparisons...
                      6. +2
                        1 November 2025 17: 19
                        Well, it wouldn’t occur to me to put fascist Germany and the USSR on the same level.
                        The morality of Russian colonialism versus the immorality of the Anglo-Saxons? I wouldn't exaggerate the morality of the former, although the immorality of the latter is undeniable. The immorality of the Japanese in today's narrative is even more striking, but we can't view events out of context! Otherwise, we can't understand why Spartacus didn't abolish slavery, and why the slaves of Rome didn't demonstrate with the slogan, "Long live the feudal system—the bright future of all humanity."
                      7. +1
                        1 November 2025 17: 57
                        Well, finally, a normal dialogue has begun. But I don't have time to talk right now. Overall, the way you expressed your thoughts is very general – I agree with what you wrote. But, as we all know, everything is revealed in the details. However, I don't have time for that right now, so this is my last reply for today.

                        Since we are all most concerned about the current state of affairs, I will allow myself to make a few declarations, but I will not prove them here right now (since I have written about this many times on this site).

                        1. In many republics of the former USSR, Western intelligence agencies installed pro-Western governments and relied on ultra-nationalist forces, which they financed and organized. They turned a blind eye to discrimination against the local Russian population. These are clearly unfriendly actions.

                        2. Sabotage groups operated from the territory of the former Ukraine and the Baltic states, meaning the leadership of these states provided territory for rest, treatment, and training before being deployed to Russian territory (but especially from Ukrainian territory). There is evidence of this. This is an act of aggression and a casus belli.

                        3. In 2014, as a result of years of external interference in the internal affairs of another state and the subsequent armed, illegal seizure of power, the former state of Ukraine ceased to exist without legal succession. This means that the legal capacity of the new state of such an entity is questionable, and Russia certainly has no obligations to it.

                        4. As a consequence of point 3, what happened to Crimea is not annexation, but secession. You can read about this online, and this form of transition is completely legal under the current circumstances from the perspective of the Moscow Patriarchate. But I won't reveal the evidence; it would take too long.

                        5. The actions of the nationalists who came to power in 2014 in the territory of the former Ukraine outlaw their rule, if only in light of the results of the Nuremberg Trials, and also violate the norms of the UN Charter. The so-called "West" turns a blind eye to all this and commits actions that can clearly be regarded as complicity in crimes.

                        6. After the Western hybrid power came to power in Kyiv, the new state-like entity, hastily created on the ruins of the former state, was planned to be involved with renewed vigor in the buildup of military potential on the border with Russia, which, again, is preparation for war. Russia's intervention in 2014 merely significantly disrupted these plans, but did not destroy them.

                        7. Modern Russia's actions on the international stage, including those in Ukraine since 2014, and even in connection with the launch of the Joint Military Operation, are fully consistent with international law. The launch of the Joint Military Operation is a clear example of prevention. Russia's opponents have nothing to say that relies on international law. This is precisely why Western politicians who oppose Russia's actions constantly refer to some kind of "rules-based world" in the media, rather than making reasoned claims citing specific facts and violated international law. This is precisely why Britain and the United States haggle over profits and bribes instead of resolving the matter on its merits. They want Ukraine's mineral wealth, or the ports of Odessa, or something else... in short, it's all haggling.

                        P.S. This is far from all that I can declare, but I have already substantiated everything I have written many times in disputes and can substantiate it again, but I have other things to do besides correspond with one person about the article on the site.
                        PPS. Don't try to defeat Russia online; it's a waste of time, and yes, the world is heading toward total war. It can only be stopped by stopping the frenzied Western elite. Yes, Europe has reasons to fight; they have a large population (510 million) and little arable land or resources, including fuel. They don't have any gas of their own. They depleted their coal deposits during the Industrial Revolution and two World Wars. There's no more, but they need it. They'd like to grab Ukraine's lands for themselves and return Russia to its fold, its status as a "gas station." Well... history will tell how successful they are.

                        All the best to you and good luck.
                      8. -1
                        1 November 2025 18: 03
                        The first point is obvious, all the others are more than controversial and adjusted to the answer.
                      9. 0
                        1 November 2025 18: 05
                        Quote: AlexZN
                        all the rest are more than controversial and adjusted to the answer.

                        Until they are presented with evidence.
                        But you too are writing your assertions here without any evidence...
                      10. 0
                        1 November 2025 17: 04
                        Were you giving physics lessons here? I didn't see it, could you show me where?

                        I am hinting to you about corpuscular-wave duality.
                2. 0
                  1 November 2025 21: 08
                  vlad127490: You know, I wouldn't be so categorical in that opinion. That the Red Army made a huge contribution to the defeat of Japan is a generally accepted fact, and it would be foolish to deny it. But here's a well-known fact: according to historians, the size of Japan's ground forces, excluding troops stationed on the Japanese islands themselves, reached approximately 5,5 million in 1945. To this must be added approximately 2 million naval personnel, which operated exclusively against the Allies. The size of the Kwantung Army, stationed in Manchuria along the Soviet border, is estimated by historians at between 780,000 and 860,000 soldiers, with another 300,000–400,000 Japanese and Japanese-allied puppet troops stationed in various regions of China, Korea, Sakhalin, and the Kuril Islands. Don't you think the 4,240,000-strong ground force opposing the US Army and the 1,260,000-strong force opposing the Red Army are incomparable? So, you can cite the sources for your categorical convictions, and believe me, I have no intention of diminishing the role of our soldiers, especially since my grandfather and father fought in the war with Japan and received government awards for those battles.
                  1. 0
                    1 November 2025 21: 58
                    I understand your doubts. Let me explain. My father fought in three wars. For him, the Great Patriotic War began on June 23, 1941, and ended in November 1945. My wife's grandfather liberated Korea from the Japanese; he was a captain first rank, and I won't list any others. There are historians in the family who have dedicated their entire lives to the Far East and the Institute of History, so you learn a lot by hanging out with orientalists. It's not customary to write about yourself. I don't minimize the US contribution, but without the USSR, the western half of the US would have been under Japanese control. China would have been in civil war for decades. That's another topic. It's a strange question where the Russian Federation could have spent its money. It could have been drunk away.
                    1. +1
                      2 November 2025 09: 38
                      vlad127490, I completely agree with you here.
              3. 0
                13 November 2025 21: 28
                Well, if he's a demagogue (you know better), then you're a liberal (liar) liar! The USSR forced Japan's surrender by defeating the Kwantung Army. Learn your stuff, schoolkids.
      2. 0
        7 November 2025 11: 39
        Don't forget that Japan attacked the USA, not the other way around...

        The United States provoked Japan's attack by imposing an embargo on oil supplies from the Philippines.
    2. -2
      1 November 2025 13: 41
      If you don't believe me, remember how the US wiped the city of Dresden off the face of the Earth.

      What's new in history? Dresden was bombed by the Royal Air Force, not the Americans.
      1. +1
        1 November 2025 14: 53
        Quote: AlexZN
        What's new in history? Dresden was bombed by the Royal Air Force, not the Americans.

        I wrote it from memory. Well, if you went online to read it, you should have read it to the end. It was a joint raid by the British and American air forces...
        1. -1
          1 November 2025 15: 48
          I don't need to go online for this; it's the basics! The city itself was bombed only (!!!) by the British. The Americans bombed the industrial zone and the railway yards. If you've been to Dresden, you'll know where that is.
          1. +1
            1 November 2025 15: 53
            Quote: AlexZN
            I don't need to go online for this; it's the basics! The city itself was bombed only (!!!) by the British. The Americans bombed the industrial zone and the railway yards. If you've been to Dresden, you'll know where that is.

            I wasn't in Dresden, but I'm happy for you if you were. However, such details change nothing. The US and Britain are like a wave-particle duality... for Russia, it's "they"... and "they" are the enemy. And this isn't Russia's choice, it's the choice of Russia's enemies...
    3. 0
      1 November 2025 17: 08
      In general, we are accustomed to viewing geopolitics and war from the standpoint of humanism, honor and conscience.

      The Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact is proof of this)))
      Why confuse politics with morality and ethics?
      1. 0
        1 November 2025 17: 14
        Quote: AlexZN
        The Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact is proof of this)))
        Why confuse politics with morality and ethics?

        Well, they're starting up the same old story again... It shouldn't be a secret for the "head of the great interdimensional database" what this pact was signed in response to and why. It's as if you've fallen off the moon, or haven't been out of your "great archive" for too long; this half-hearted lie has long been debunked in countless videos on YouTube and RuTube. Search for something like "lies about the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact" and enjoy. People here actually have better things to do than chat. But if you don't find it yourself, I'll post a link to the video right here for you. Happy searching and learning.
        1. -2
          1 November 2025 17: 20
          The lie has long been debunked in numerous videos on YouTube and Rutube.

          A curtain!
          1. -1
            3 November 2025 20: 53
            Quote: AlexZN
            A curtain!

            I promised, and I'm keeping it. I'm sure there are no problems accessing YouTube where you are. So watch and enjoy...
            https://youtu.be/MbP_v7PDWdo?si=wSPFZbvLsli1fDBx
      2. -1
        1 November 2025 17: 22
        Moralists from Israel are highly distrusted. laughing Yes
        What's Happening in Israel: Scandal, Soldier Arrests, and Infighting

  2. +2
    31 October 2025 13: 35
    The Belgorod, which has already been built as a Poseidon-bearer, can be left, but the other three nuclear submarines intended for this purpose must be converted into normal multi-purpose submarines,

    Yes, it's complicated. A submarine is designed for torpedoes, and converting it to carry missiles is simply not feasible. It's not like converting a freight train into an armored train. But converting an Akula into a multi-role submarine is something else entirely. The Americans converted their Ohio submarines to carry axes. And she's got a lot of them. A massive salvo. And the Akula is bigger than the Ohio; if converted, she could fit more cruise missiles. Be it Kalibr missiles, Tsirkon missiles, or the new Burevestnik missiles.
  3. +2
    31 October 2025 13: 37
    Chatter. I wish he'd written, "It would be better if they gave it to pensioners."
    1. -2
      31 October 2025 13: 41
      Quote: Petr_Yakovlev
      Chatter. I wish he'd written, "It would be better if they gave it to pensioners."

      You're right, it would be better to give it to pensioners. This waffle is only good for cutting up or putting in a museum.
      1. -2
        31 October 2025 13: 45
        The voice of TSYPSO...obviously.
        1. -2
          31 October 2025 13: 50
          Quote: Petr_Yakovlev
          The voice of TSYPSO...obviously.

          Take Pyramedon and get rid of the peritonitis! And get treatment. What's the point of these products? If they helped us reach Lviv or strengthen the air defenses, then fine. But they won't help, not at all. Tsipko, reading your... only rejoices, remembering the saying about bad roads and fools!
        2. -2
          31 October 2025 21: 01
          The voice of TSYPSO...obviously.

          The voice of a pensioner. And I join in.
      2. +1
        31 October 2025 14: 25
        Quote: Cmax
        It would be better to give it to pensioners.

        There was already one like that, a marked one – he destroyed the country, and pensioners simply died of hunger. The country is best at making weapons – well, let him do it, pensioners will be well-fed, weapons sell well.
        1. -3
          1 November 2025 09: 06
          Quote: Locksmith
          Quote: Cmax
          It would be better to give it to pensioners.

          There was already one like that, a marked one – he destroyed the country, and pensioners simply died of hunger. The country is best at making weapons – well, let him do it, pensioners will be well-fed, weapons sell well.

          During the "Gorbachev" era of the developed USSR, not a single pensioner died of hunger. No need to make things up. In some regions, sausage, meat, butter, vodka, and other "scarce" foods were available in stores with coupons. But they did plant potatoes in their gardens...
      3. -1
        1 November 2025 08: 59
        Quote: Cmax
        Quote: Petr_Yakovlev
        Chatter. I wish he'd written, "It would be better if they gave it to pensioners."

        You're right, it would be better to give it to pensioners. This waffle is only good for cutting up or putting in a museum.

        We definitely won't give it up to the Ukrainians. Don't get your hopes up. We'll need to stage a nuclear bomb ourselves. We could also nuke something closer. For example, Great Britain.
        1. -2
          1 November 2025 11: 31
          Quote: Dormidontov_Dormidont
          We definitely won't hand it over to the Ukrainians. Don't get your hopes up. We'll need to stage a nuclear bombshell ourselves.

          I'm as much of a hohol as you are a Chinese! Do whatever you want! IMHO
    2. +1
      31 October 2025 16: 09
      I also immediately thought about pensioners :-)
      1. -3
        1 November 2025 09: 03
        Quote: Asper_Daffy
        I also immediately thought about pensioners :-)

        And what about the late Alyosha Ovalny?! The earth is like glass wool to him. He, too, always thought for the best, but at the expense of foreign taxpayers.
        1. +1
          2 November 2025 16: 05
          No, I wasn't thinking about Alexey Anatolyevich. He just didn't come to mind.
          1. -1
            2 November 2025 21: 14
            Quote: Asper_Daffy
            No, I wasn't thinking about Alexey Anatolyevich. He just didn't come to mind.

            Since Ovalny's emergence in Russian politics with his negative (extremist) pro-Western agenda, I've only just learned the patronymic of this unpleasant character, who sold out tight to those very same "Anglo-Saxons" about whom another article was written on Reporter. Judging by the respectful writing, you're very upset by his death?
            1. +1
              3 November 2025 12: 35
              Quote: Dormidontov_Dormidont
              respectful writing

              I simply wrote it in Russian. That's how it's done in Russian. I can't stand it when we copy Western media and refer to people only by their first names.

              And I was upset... well, I was just nervous that now all sorts of foreign agent scum would raise their usual stench about "bloody Riga" (which, by the way, is what happened).
    3. +1
      31 October 2025 16: 22
      I wish I'd written "It would be better if they gave it to pensioners"

      Yes, of course, we know little about Poseidon, and we can't judge its usefulness. But the question of cost does arise for me personally. What would be better for this money: one Poseidon, 10 long-range cruise missiles, or a pair of ICBMs with multiple warheads? How much does each cost? That's another question.
    4. -1
      31 October 2025 20: 35
      I wish I'd written "It would be better if they gave it to pensioners"

      Why should pensioners care? They're one of the budget's sponsors after the pension reform! And COVID-19 has allowed for significant savings by decimating the weak. Although, all this won't be enough to compensate for the 350 billion invested in the West. Such is our far-sighted and intelligent "tsar." But at least something should be achieved.
  4. -1
    31 October 2025 13: 42
    Poseidon is not needed for America... It is needed so that America will be afraid to apply Article 5 of the NATO Charter after we wash away Great Britain.
    1. -2
      31 October 2025 14: 37
      Quote: Allexander
      Poseidon is not needed for America... It is needed so that America will be afraid to apply Article 5 of the NATO Charter after we wash away Great Britain.

      Why so petty? "Poseidon" in the English Channel will "wash" France and a bunch of aggressive small fry from Benelux. And a couple, even a bunch of aggressive huskies from the EU.
      And to those "concerned about pensioners," one can say that a lot can be sent "there," but the result will be an incomparably higher inflation rate. And with such "income," one will have to die in an old sheet.
      1. 0
        31 October 2025 16: 24
        Why so petty? Poseidon will wash over France and a bunch of aggressive small fry from Benelux in the English Channel.

        The main thing is to wash Great Britain. In its place there should be only water. And peace and friendship will reign throughout the world. For centuries. With France and the Benelux countries.
        And it is precisely to ensure that America does not dare to interfere with this ablution that we have to develop and display our terrible and invincible pieces of iron.
  5. -1
    31 October 2025 14: 32
    Poseidon, Burevestnik, and other such projects are meaningless in terms of results - a consequence of the lack of expert evaluation and sufficient qualifications in decision-making.
    1. 0
      31 October 2025 16: 12
      Do you mean that they didn’t consult with you?
    2. -3
      1 November 2025 09: 09
      Quote: Tan San
      Poseidon, Burevestnik, and other such projects are meaningless in terms of results - a consequence of the lack of expert evaluation and sufficient qualifications in decision-making.

      But NATO fears those who have nuclear weapons. And on various carriers, that is, something will reach its destination.
  6. +1
    31 October 2025 14: 43
    Let them be...
    at least for the country's prestige.
    and "brains", it would be better if they came to us and not to the Secondary School of Pedagogical Sciences.
    1. +1
      31 October 2025 15: 57
      Yes, let them be...at least for the country's prestige.

      The main thing is for us not to end up puffed up once again and not make peace along the line of contact... with all these menacing iron things. Otherwise, on the contrary... it will be a global disgrace.
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  8. +2
    31 October 2025 14: 58
    So far, China's approach has been quite good. Instead of developing PR-fueled wonder weapons, it's building CNC machines, electronics, roads, mass-produced low-cost UAVs, and has effectively implemented import substitution, a multi-vector approach, and is aggressively developing logistics, transportation, and trade links with the rest of the world.
    Moreover, having developed it, he began to have enough money for aircraft carriers with aviation, for the Navy, for space, for science, for arms exports and medicine...
    Somehow he combines corporate support with the execution of thieving officials and crooked billionaires...
    1. 0
      31 October 2025 16: 13
      ... China has a pretty good approach... it... combines support for corporations and the execution of thieving officials and crooked billionaires.

      We cannot combine support with executions... otherwise, the country, in such difficult times, will be left without leadership at all, even down to the level of homeowners' associations.
    2. -2
      31 October 2025 16: 57
      China's approach isn't particularly original, and they're still a long way from import substitution (the C919 is an example). And they have far more PR-fueled wunderwaffes than we do, because besides their own, they're also trying to rip off ours (and even non-ours, too). You've simply lost your eye. It's a different story with us; we have plenty of places to kick and say "fie."
    3. +1
      31 October 2025 20: 48
      So far, China's approach is not bad.

      So, China has been working toward this for 30 years, and with the help of Western investment, no less. How can this compare with Russia's 30 years of raw materials and financial investment in the West (incidentally, some of this investment in China is also thanks to Russia; otherwise, how would the West have the funds to invest in China?) And yet, Russia is holding its own, and it's only a matter of time before it breaks the hegemon's back, but the direction has already been set.
  9. -1
    31 October 2025 15: 53
    What could Russia spend its money on instead of the nuclear Poseidon?

    - only for the even more powerful "Poseidon-2", a completely strange article, smacks of treason, and also so confidently declares that all this is useless, we have no fools sitting in our headquarters and know the capabilities of NATO more than this author, and if it were "useless", then nothing would have happened.
    1. +2
      31 October 2025 21: 14
      We don't have fools sitting in our headquarters

      The staff at headquarters aren't fools.
      1. -1
        1 November 2025 06: 01
        Yes, but in the rear there are too many smart bastards who still haven’t abandoned their vile plans to denigrate Russia and its leadership.
      2. -4
        1 November 2025 09: 12
        Quote from Pembo
        We don't have fools sitting in our headquarters

        The staff at headquarters aren't fools.

        Are the idiots on social media working off grants from the State Department and Soros?
    2. 0
      13 November 2025 21: 50
      Yes, Marzhetsky used to be such a sweetheart and patriot, and then he suddenly fizzled out.
  10. +4
    31 October 2025 16: 47
    The Poseidon and Burevestnik systems do nothing to stop the enemy from shelling our cities, oil refineries, warehouses, and so on. What's the point of spending huge sums of money on this useless wonder weapon when the front lines lack basic communications and protective equipment, and so much more? It's a stupid and unnecessary waste; in the old days, such gadgets would have gotten you shot.
    1. 0
      31 October 2025 19: 53
      Perhaps, Joseph (Ivan), this is what they said about Nikita Khrushchev when he was designing cruisers and building missiles. It was Khrushchev's once-cursed missiles that have preserved the Russian Federation to this day. The same is true with the Poseidon missiles; they represent a significant addition to the missile arsenal for the preservation of the Russian Federation. Conclusion: the Poseidon and the Burevestnik nuclear engine represent a landmark advance in Russia's strategic armament over the 35 years of the new Russia.
      1. 0
        31 October 2025 20: 23
        "A major advance," a "significant increase"—it's not funny to even think about it. I'm tired of this chatter and useless pathos. And they even crushed that incompetent Khrushchev, the destroyer of Stalin's legacy, overnight, for his leadership and "crushing of cruisers" that his own comrades, horrified by the scale of his failures and stupidities, sent him into retirement.
        1. -3
          31 October 2025 20: 30
          Iosya, it remains to be stated: don’t talk nonsense... (there’s nothing to analyze in your baseless “chatter”).
          1. +1
            31 October 2025 22: 39
            It remains to be seen that the "brilliant" Khrushchev's admirer, the Tuzik, has lost his temper.
            1. -1
              31 October 2025 22: 41
              You recognize a Jew by his impudent rudeness...
              1. 0
                31 October 2025 22: 58
                Yes, no, I'm a Russian, but Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin was truly hated by Jews like you, Khrushchev, their hero.
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                  1. +1
                    1 November 2025 00: 27
                    How gross. Let me remind you that the position of Central Committee Secretary was truly an elected one. It was technically impossible to become a sole tyrant there; serious party comrades who had lived through the events of 1905 to 1920 would have been instantly grounded; they were far from office hamsters. Lend-Lease helped, I admit, but it only sent 3% of the entire Soviet Union's production... Canned meat, high-octane gasoline and kerosene, rubber—were all needed, and for obvious reasons, we ourselves weren't producing in the quantities we needed, but writing "that it was only with the help of these supplies" is somehow not even serious. Regarding the repressions, the party trusted people too much, and as a result, "comrades" with nefarious inclinations infiltrated the leadership of the then-FSB equivalent, hoping to hasten 1991, and, in order to discredit the existing government, began terrorizing the population. The Party and concerned comrades saw that the FSB wasn't working quite as planned and brought everyone they needed to the highest level of social protection. They then sorted out who was guilty and who wasn't. Rokossovsky, for example, was acquitted and later became Chief of the General Staff and Deputy Minister of Defense under a bloody regime. Regarding the lost Soviet lives—well, it was the Germans, Italians, French, Spaniards, and other rabble from all over Europe who killed them, and not Koba himself who personally gnawed at every single one of them. Your logic is somehow flawed. Was that why Stalin invited the invaders to visit? Or was he not preparing for a major war while pursuing industrialization and collectivization? Riddles in the dark...
                    1. 0
                      1 November 2025 11: 06
                      Briefly. Propaganda was relentless (newspapers, radio), so there was no room for any other thinking. And to this day, most citizens still don't. With the collapse of the USSR, the doors opened a crack, and skeletons came out of the closet, as Vysotsky put it:

                      When he is a little bit that way, then we will know the whole truth about him

                      The only thing is that with the advent of Stalin's dictatorship, Soviet power as such ended, leaving behind no real function as a Soviet government other than to carry out the Great Leader's orders. Many have already forgotten the fear and uncertainty of saying too much, of being arrested at night, that reigned in cities for decades. All that remains, from all those nightmares, is a colorful portrait of the leader for a generation that no longer remembers those times.
                      1. -1
                        1 November 2025 11: 39
                        That vile anti-Stalinist, anti-Soviet, nameless punk is yapping again for crumbs from the master's table, and at whom... at I.S. Stalin, hilarious. Don't forget to delete the post with your feces, like you did with the previous one.
                      2. 0
                        1 November 2025 11: 48
                        Well, yes, under Stalin, the punishment for obvious statements was even worse: you were branded an enemy of the people and thrown up against the wall... Of course, breaking cliches isn't something everyone understands; it's easier out of habit...
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                      4. -1
                        1 November 2025 21: 48
                        The state and its citizens need to recover from their long history of slavery, and the medicine is always bitter. We must be thoughtful and understanding citizens, and until the servile nature is eradicated, we will be pushed around for as long as we can... The editors removed the statement, which they deemed too critical...
                    2. +1
                      1 November 2025 13: 20
                      Most people here don't know what primary sources are and rely on materials written by liberals and know-it-alls. There are reliable sources, broken down by year, and 96% of all prisoners and camp inmates executed under Stalin were convicted under criminal law. During WWII, those executed were sentenced by tribunals, which means they were war criminals. Modern liberals harbor a visceral fear that, according to Soviet law, they should all be shot. They hate the USSR with a passion and do everything they can to ensure that people have negative thoughts about it.
                      1. +1
                        1 November 2025 13: 33
                        Exactly! And 90% of the Victory's marshals were enemy spies, including those of Germany and Japan! All by the same courts' decision. And the Tupolevs and Korolevs were also enemies of the people... But they weren't executed...
                      2. +1
                        1 November 2025 13: 42
                        Now all the cases are open. If you're interested in the article that caused the arrest, just take the file and read it. Failure to complete or ignoring an assignment was considered a crime back then.
                      3. -1
                        1 November 2025 13: 47
                        Aha! Rokossovsky disobeyed and ignored orders from German headquarters? The case allegedly accused him of espionage. In the open cases, hundreds of people dug tunnels under the Kremlin to assassinate Comrade Stalin.
                        They've written worse things on fences! The Communist Party of the Soviet Union's program even states that communism arrived in the 80s. Should we believe what it says?
                      4. 0
                        1 November 2025 13: 43
                        That's not entirely true. For military personnel and ordinary citizens, Article 58—anti-Soviet activity—predominated, accounting for more than a third of those in the 40s. (From membership in anti-Soviet organizations to espionage for Japan and other causes.) There were plenty of embezzlers and plunderers of state and collective farm property—common criminals. Pure criminals were a minority. In the Gulag, 90% of camp commanders were Jewish. (That's why the rare Jews in the Gulag occupied "cushy" positions.) A closer look at these times reveals many interesting facts... Propaganda, both in the USSR and later, always turned everything on its head, so it's important to look and understand. You should try to find out before writing such propaganda lies.
                    3. 0
                      13 November 2025 21: 52
                      +100500, more is possible!
  11. +1
    31 October 2025 21: 11
    Bravo, Sergey Marzhetsky. I'll refrain from commenting so as not to make matters worse. But you've already said it all.
    1. -2
      31 October 2025 22: 00
      The author has confused the concepts of strategy and tactics. Submarines and nuclear-powered submarines, with their familiar array of weapons—missiles, torpedoes, cruise missiles—are something entirely different, something the author ignores. Conclusion: don't confuse chickens with ducklings...
      1. 0
        31 October 2025 22: 04
        The author has confused the concepts of strategy and tactics... Conclusion: don't confuse chickens with ducklings...

        You'd better leave strategy and tactics alone and focus on your chickens and ducklings.
        1. 0
          31 October 2025 22: 08
          That's what I do on "Reporter" (joke).
          1. 0
            1 November 2025 08: 13
            Someone downvoted you. They were probably outraged by your self-abasement. The title of patriot should be carried with honor. Patriot – that sounds proud!
    2. 0
      1 November 2025 09: 14
      Quote from Pembo
      Bravo, Sergey Marzhetsky. I'll refrain from commenting so as not to make matters worse. But you've already said it all.

      Marzhetsky is a great guy!
  12. 0
    31 October 2025 21: 33
    The best weapon is to deprive the United States of influence and create a powerful bloc of pro-Russian countries... by providing them with military and economic support. Russia already possesses a multitude of terrifying weapons.
  13. 0
    1 November 2025 09: 22
    Quote: Dormidontov_Dormidont
    Quote: Tan San
    Poseidon, Burevestnik, and other such projects are meaningless in terms of results - a consequence of the lack of expert evaluation and sufficient qualifications in decision-making.

    But NATO fears those who have nuclear weapons. And on various carriers, that is, something will reach its destination.

    NATO is systematically working to mitigate potential threats, unlike us.
  14. +3
    1 November 2025 10: 50
    Both "Poseidon" and "Burevestnik" are available in single copies.
    Is it possible to defeat the NATO bloc with a few nuclear explosions?
    The answer is obvious.
    This means that both the Poseidon and Burevestnik will take their place of honor in the famous ranks of the Armata, Kurgan, Oreshnik, Lider aircraft carriers, and other wonder weapons.
    This will become the same attribute as a raspberry jacket and chain for the thugs of the nineties.
    It seems to be there, but the point is just show.
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  16. 0
    1 November 2025 13: 36
    To spend money, you need to have it. Burevestnik and Poseidon are the last weapons to be used when strategic and tactical missiles run out. Poseidon is hard to find in the ocean; those who understand hydroacoustics will understand. How will you find Poseidon at a depth of 2 km, or maybe it's going 3 km? Why would it need 100 knots? In the ocean, it would travel at 15-20 knots. There's no need to hurry. These are finishing weapons, designed to blow everything and everyone to smithereens. The warhead is 50-100 megatons.
    Such weapons do not give NATO countries hope of victory over Russia; this is what makes them afraid.
    Poseidon can be launched from bases in Kamchatka, the Kuril Islands, the North, and any oceans and seas.
  17. -2
    1 November 2025 22: 11
    Why does the author assume this is a weapon aimed at the US? There are closer targets.

    The simultaneous explosion of all these torpedoes could destroy France, Portugal, Italy, Great Britain, the Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Bulgaria, Denmark, Montenegro, Greece, Cyprus, Albania and Ireland.

    The capitals and key cities of these enemy countries are located right on the coast. If charges were placed at depth and the order to surface and detonate were given on a given day, a disarming first strike, accompanied by a missile strike, could be launched.
  18. -1
    2 November 2025 13: 03
    What kind of whining about "we'll all die and everything's lost" is all I'm reading? This is a weapon of deterrence, and as long as the enemy knows about it, it curbs their arrogance. How these pieces of iron will behave in the event of a global uproar is irrelevant...
  19. 0
    2 November 2025 18: 58
    Everything depends on whether Russian leaders consider a third global thermonuclear war a reality. If they have concluded it is inevitable, then both Poseidon and Burevestnik are ideal weapons for a first, destructive strike, as they can be launched undetected from different locations and at different times, yet strike the enemy's military and industrial structures with the necessary synchronicity. It sounds cruel, but for Russia to achieve long-term peace, it will have to destroy the United States without suffering significant damage itself. The task is incredibly difficult, but if it is not achieved, the United States will find a way to destroy Russia, as this enemy knows no compromise. This US position is based on economic prosperity by plundering the entire world, where the only real obstacle to achieving this goal is Russia. And if Russia manages to emerge victorious from this battle, then what kind of outcasts are we talking about? In that case, Russia will rule this world, and former US vassals will kneel and beg for mercy and forgiveness. Hard to believe? Yes, it seems fantastical. Nevertheless, the governments of these implacable rival countries sincerely believe in their unconditional victory. As for what actually happens, time will tell.
  20. 0
    5 November 2025 05: 38
    Putin on the development and potential of the Burevestnik and Poseidon:

    Of historical significance for ensuring security and strategic parity for decades to come, we didn’t even bother to stop NATO from spying
  21. 0
    11 November 2025 21: 43
    The article is a complete fabrication. Let's not build the Poseidon—it could be destroyed before it's used, it could be destroyed en route, its use would be excessive, the money could be spent on missile carriers. Let's strengthen the naval component—but this naval component could be destroyed before it's used, it could be destroyed en route, its use would be excessive, so what should we do? My mind is spinning, what should we do? Calm down and rejoice in Russia's new technologies.
    1. +1
      11 November 2025 22: 16
      I'll continue: The Poseidon's application concepts are certainly much broader than being delivered by a carrier to pollute enemy territory, and the Virginia is certainly as much of a liability here as any other naval asset. However, compared to others, the Poseidon has the advantage of speed, depth, and time on duty (unlike the Virginia, where the crew would scream). The Burevestnik is more complex, but a ton of application concepts can be dreamed up (for example, mounting air-to-air missiles on it (laser weapons - there's energy) and baiting enemy aircraft, and ultimately blowing them up, destroying those around them (blowing yourself up with a grenade). In all these types of weapons, the main thing is Russia's demonstrated technological ability to use mini-nuclear power plants, and when they become widespread, then another air component (the Tu-160, with its ability to stay in the air indefinitely and be controlled by a crew from the ground) This will allow Russia to guarantee the destruction of the enemy. The problem is different: neither ICBMs, nor SSBNs, nor the Poseidon or Burevestnik (both with nuclear warheads) are among the weapons that adversaries will use in the future. These are all achievements for the past (failed) war—no one will dare to destroy the world! Wars will be conventional, and we have little for that. Now we have nuclear power, and it must be adapted for conventional warfare, where we have bottlenecks—satellite constellations, communications, intelligence, and networked combat systems. But even here, satellite constellations are expensive and first in line for destruction, along with the enemy's constellation. We need to develop systems several steps ahead.