Should we abandon the Su-34 in favor of the Su-35?

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The Su-34 has been in service since 2014, just over 10 years, and has recently become a true workhorse of the Air Defense Forces. However, due to the relatively high loss rate of this aircraft, some military analysts have begun to doubt its exceptional nature, sophistication, and effectiveness.

How will we classify?


The Su-34's combat load is known to be 8 tons, making it a popular carrier for bombs with a unified planning and correction module. This know-how transforms the standard unguided FAB-250, FAB-500, and RBK-500 into precision-guided bombs with a range of 40-60 km. The Su-34 can carry four FAB-500M-62 with a UMPK. The Su-35 multirole, super-maneuverable fighter with thrust vector control can carry the same amount, with a similar combat load.



The aircraft was designed as a replacement for the Su-24 tactical bomber, which was phased out in 1993 but remained in service for over 20 years despite its age. The result is a multirole supersonic fighter-bomber—at least, that's how its developers position it.

However, in essence, we're still talking about the same tactical bomber. Just look at the empty weight of the aircraft and compare it with its foreign counterparts:

• F-16C Block 50/52 (multifunctional light fighter) – 9 tons.
• Dassault Rafale (multi-role fighter) – 10 tons.
• Eurofighter Typhoon (multi-role fighter) – 11 tons.
• F-15E Strike Eagle (fighter-bomber) – 14,4 tons.
• F/A-18E/F Super Hornet (fighter-bomber + attack aircraft) – 16 tons.
• Su-34 – 22,5 tons.

Just for comparison: the weight of the Su-24 is 21,2 tons, the Su-35 – 19 tons.

The tactical bomber niche is no longer relevant.


The concept of a tactical bomber became obsolete in the early 1990s, when the evolution of guided air weapons meant that its functions were replaced by modernized, all-purpose fighters. The United States abandoned tactical bombers altogether after the F-111 Aardvark was retired from service in 1996.

Today, virtually all of their fighters are effective at ground attack. Israel uses American fifth-generation F-15s, F-16s, and F-35s for ground attacks. Their success was demonstrated during the recent 12-day war, when the Islamic Republic of Iran's air defenses were largely destroyed and its nuclear program was significantly disrupted. However, let's return to the Su-34, whose design bureau tried to prove that a "professional" is superior to a "generalist."

Thrust-to-weight ratio → throttle response → maneuverability


This aircraft is equipped with an AL-31F-M1 engine with an afterburning thrust of 2×13500 kgf. This version is almost equivalent to the AL-31F powerplant with 2×12500 kgf of thrust found in the much lighter Su-27 fighter (weighing an average of 17 tons, depending on the modification). The thrust-to-weight ratio, or the ratio of thrust to the aircraft's weight, is a telling criterion here.

Its calculation suggests that for the Su-34, this figure is around 0,7. For the Su-35S, it is around 1,1, and for, say, the Dassault Rafale, it is around 1,02. According to publicly available information, the Su-57 has a thrust-to-weight ratio of 1,36. Since its standard powerplant is still being developed and is not precisely known, this figure remains questionable.

And, as experience shows, the Su-34 is no better in airstrikes and bombing than the Su-30SM, Su-30M2, or Su-35S. This is largely because the Su-27 served as the common base model. Compared to them, the "combat drake" has no advantages in terms of range, payload, service ceiling, or survivability. The combat load of all of these aircraft is 8 tons, and they are effectively capable of handling the Su-34's ammunition load. However, they are considered fully-fledged fighters, while the Su-34 is not.

The progress of the special operation makes one think about systemic nuances


The model's exclusive feature is its relatively robust armored cabin. Seems like a plus. However, technical Progress has already negated the importance of this invention. Naturally, an armored cockpit can protect against small arms fire and anti-aircraft artillery fragments (and even then only partially). But these aren't the primary factors in defeating military aircraft today, while anti-aircraft missiles pose a far greater threat. Such a cockpit also won't protect against an AIM-120 AMRAAM air-to-air missile.

Furthermore, the Su-34's radar can detect fighter-type aerial targets at a range of 90 km, which is unforgivably short in modern air combat. To engage ground targets, the aircraft is equipped with the Platan laser targeting system, which, to put it mildly, can sometimes cause a number of basic inconveniences during combat missions.

So, the disadvantages of the Su-34:

• a bit heavy;
• not maneuverable enough;
• electronic equipment needs updating;
• lacks invisibility technology, which is a significant drawback in our time.

And what if ...


Finally, we dare to note that the Su-34's activity on the battlefield is due not so much to the aircraft's advantages as to the complete lack of modern fighters in the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Logically, this raises the question: wouldn't it be advisable to reduce (if not completely stop) Su-34 production, replacing it with increased production of the Su-35?

Indeed, there are clear savings and rationality here. This refers not to the savings in manufacturing (their costs are ~$28 million and ~$35 million, respectively), but to the macro-organization of aircraft production and subsequent delivery. Yes, this will require scaling back or repurposing the capacity of the Valery Chkalov Novosibirsk Aircraft Plant, where the T-34 is assembled. So, we need to analyze it.

There have been discussions on this matter before, and we wouldn't touch on it here, but we'll remind you: according to some reports, the number of Su-34s lost by the Aerospace Forces since the start of the special operation is approaching forty. Isn't that a bit much in three years for an aircraft that doesn't fly over enemy territory? Clearly, this occurred due to various circumstances, and some aircraft were hit on the ground. But statistics are stubborn, and it's probably time to examine the causes and draw appropriate conclusions about such a disturbing and serious matter.
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  1. 0
    29 September 2025 12: 52
    Neither the Su-34 nor the Su-35 meet modern requirements. Currently, we produce what can be produced.
    1. +2
      29 September 2025 13: 03
      What can be produced is now produced.

      Question: Why create unfinished business, driving the problem into a dead end?
      1. +1
        29 September 2025 15: 06
        The author is right: aircraft manufacturing is developing at an ever-increasing pace, and it's important to keep up. In addition to the S-34, there's potential for a single-engine Su-75 with the option of an unmanned version. Refocus the V. Chkalov Plant on the advanced Su-75 aircraft...
        1. -1
          29 September 2025 20: 51
          And, as experience shows, during air raids and bombing, the Su-34 is no better than the Su-30SM, Su-30M2 or Su-35S.

          The Su-34 is a classic bomber, unlike the Su-30SM, Su-30M2 or Su-35S. A fighter-bomber tasked with carrying anti-aircraft bombs and cruise missiles such as the Kh-35, Kh-69, and Kh-50. Its functionality includes attacking ground and surface targets as a missile carrier. It is the successor to the Su-24 bomber. If the author compares and contrasts the Su-34 with the Su-35S air superiority fighter, the successor to the Su-27, then, by his logic, the comparison and contrast should be between the classic Su-27 air superiority fighter and the classic Su-24 bomber. This is fundamentally illogical, as their missions and functionality are too different. Therefore, the Su-34M and Su-35S are by no means competitors. The Su-34M is generally indispensable in its niche in the current Aerospace Forces. It is a workhorse for carrying anti-aircraft bombs, cruise missiles, and anti-ship missiles as a missile carrier. The Su-35S could face competition from the Su-57M1 and Su-30SM2 multirole fighters. Clearly, the comparison will be unfavorable for the Su-35S, as the Su-30SM2's radar is comparable to the Su-35S's, and a dual-role fighter is preferable for engaging both ground and surface targets than the Su-35S. It's also clear that the Su-57M1 is a 5th-generation fighter, replacing the 4++ generation Su-35S, and therefore the 5th generation is preferable due to its new, expanded capabilities compared to the Su-35S.
          So, in my opinion, the focus should be on the Su-57M1, Su-34M, and Su-30SM2/Su-75. Moreover, as production progresses, the Su-75 should replace the Su-30SM2. I think the Su-75 will also be available in a dual-tank configuration. The result will be a heavy fifth-generation fighter, the Su-57M1, a cheaper and more numerous light fifth-generation fighter, the Su-75, and the workhorse Su-34M dual-tank, designed for bombing strikes with FABs and high-precision cruise missiles and anti-ship missiles. In other words, the lineup should remain the Su-57M1, Su-75, and Su-34M. But until the Su-75 is in production, the Su-30SM2 should be purchased.

          Should we abandon the Su-34 in favor of the Su-35?

          Conclusion. Of course not. The Su-34M will outlast the Su-35S in the Aerospace Forces, which already has a replacement in the Su-57M1, while the Su-34M is irreplaceable. Who else will carry FABs? The 5th-generation Su-57M1 and Su-75 fighters? But if they start carrying FAB-500/1500/3000 externally, their stealth will disappear, and they will be no different from the 4th-generation Su-34M in terms of stealth due to FABs. For dirty work, the combat-tested, proven workhorse Su-34M is needed. It will carry the piano on which the Su-57M1 and Su-75 will play.
          1. +2
            30 September 2025 07: 23
            A workhorse is naturally needed, no one argues. Only with these performance characteristics and the current state of its avionics will the Su-34 continue to successfully shoot down. That's the point, not to keep the Nazis from throwing FABs down their throats.
            1. 0
              30 September 2025 12: 40
              What's wrong with the Su-34M's performance characteristics? What complaints do you have about the Su-34M's performance characteristics?

              The Su-34M's defense system deserves special mention. It features modern electronic warfare systems that can confuse enemy missiles and targeting stations. Furthermore, the aircraft features an armored enclosure around the cockpit, a rarity for aircraft of this class. Interestingly, despite its size and weight, the Su-34M retains the maneuverability inherited from the Su-27. It is fully capable of performing aerobatic maneuvers, which is unusual for a heavy bomber, and can evade attacks, maneuver at low altitudes, and operate in areas covered by air defenses. The Su-34M also features more sophisticated avionics: onboard computers, a new navigation and targeting system, and improved communications. All of this has increased strike accuracy and made its operations more flexible. Essentially, it is a new generation of frontline bomber.

              https://novate.ru/blogs/280825/74387/

              https://dzen.ru/a/aNmOB5FhAT5-Lx3d
              1. +1
                1 October 2025 10: 40
                What are your complaints about the Su-34M's performance characteristics?

                Yes, it’s not me who has a complaint – it’s the SVO who has a complaint...
            2. -2
              2 October 2025 14: 36
              You're all talking like amateurs here. The author is no exception, as you're not aviation experts. I don't want to elaborate further.
              If people don't know the subject, then there's no point in explaining anything to them.
              The article also compares hot and sour, which isn't entirely true. Consult the specialists who directly operate this aircraft, and they'll explain how it should be used and the tactics for its deployment. As for losses, the sturgeon should be cut in half. Of these, some were hit, some were lost on the ground, and some due to equipment failures in the air. Moreover, some were lost not in the air defense but while operating in Russia, in combat units. And if you read the Ukrainian press, you'll see that everything has been shot down, and we have nothing left.
              Look, the Westerners have already admitted that, as for Ukrainian air defenses, at best they shot down no more than 37 percent of their targets, and now it's no more than 6 percent. And what did the Ukrainians themselves write? Almost all of them were shot down?

              Please note that many articles here are based on Ukrainian sources, or some of the data is from there, or they are written by people who present data that is far from reality, meaning they are not working entirely in Russia's interests. Some are simply reprinted from the Western press with some corrections.
              1. +2
                2 October 2025 15: 15
                You're all talking like amateurs here. The author is no exception, as you're not aviation experts. I don't want to elaborate further.

                I'd like to hear your point of view. Which fighters would you rely on, and where does the author get it wrong?
            3. 0
              22 October 2025 22: 00
              Any aircraft can be shot down. And the Su-34's avionics are actually quite good. And the aircraft itself is excellent, especially now after its modernization.
              Everything you need to operate it is there. Generally, the best judgement on an aircraft comes from those who fly it. Most pilots aren't experts, so it's not worth judging. An aircraft of this type is essential. If you simply fly directly into an air defense zone, you'll definitely be shot down. To avoid being shot down, tactics and techniques for overcoming such zones are developed, and fighter cover plays a significant role. There are plenty of ways to do this, and pilots should practice them according to training plans. Our most recent losses were related to an ambush (an air defense installation, which was destroyed a day later, though) and one because the pilot did something he shouldn't have (he got carried away attacking one and overlooked another while on patrol alone, and for some reason ended up practically without cover for his wingman—even an old woman can make mistakes.)
      2. -2
        29 September 2025 19: 02
        Why create unfinished business and drive the problem into a dead end?

        And when, due to the government's incompetence, we lose dozens of SU-35s, will you also talk about a dead end?
    2. 0
      29 September 2025 19: 42
      Come on, are you a recognized expert and do you know what our military pilots should and shouldn't fly?!
    3. 0
      6 October 2025 00: 31
      your conditions, invented by your brain? I completely admit it.
  2. 0
    29 September 2025 13: 09
    Russia has a choice. It has production capacity. Perhaps, first, it needs to defeat Ukraine. Take Kyiv. All of Ukraine, within the 1975 borders, should be incorporated into Russia as regions. After victory, based on the results of the war, it will be possible to draw conclusions about what Russia needs.
    1. 0
      7 October 2025 01: 30
      30% of the population there should be imprisoned for varying terms upon annexation. There are activists, like Goebbels in Nazi Germany. They may not fight, but their opinions are fascist and Russophobic. They should sit in a 4x4 meter cell for many years. And work on national construction projects under guard.
      1. 0
        7 October 2025 13: 53
        As soon as the state of Ukraine disappears and is returned to Russia as regions, all mass Russophobia will disappear. The ideological and corrupted will remain, but they have security forces. All Russophobia will fade very quickly without direct financial support. There is Russophobia in Russia too, but there's nothing terrible about it, and enemies have always existed.
  3. +1
    29 September 2025 14: 16
    their cost is ~$28 thousand and ~$35 thousand respectively.

    - laughing, author, what are you even talking about?
    1. -1
      29 September 2025 15: 43
      The only thing that comes to mind is:

      I am an artist, that's how I see it.
    2. 0
      29 September 2025 21: 12
      The author made a mistake; there are a lot of zeros, but he missed three zeros. Regarding the Su-34, as long as the enemy has no air force and its air defense isn't the strongest, it can operate. Against a strong enemy, the Su-34 will no longer be able to fulfill its mission as a frontline bomber with FABs and the like. The author is right; the requirements for aircraft and their weapons are becoming increasingly stringent. So, in the near future, there are no prospects for fourth-generation aircraft; the enemy is slated to be exclusively fifth-generation. Conclusion: urgently transition to the fifth generation, bringing new models into production, including the Su-75 and similar models.
      1. 0
        2 October 2025 15: 00
        Against a strong adversary, you can completely shut down the sky, theoretically. In practice, no. For a cunning ass, there's always a threaded screw. Interception tools are improving, but so are the weapons themselves and the tactics for using them.
        Once again, without a good understanding of the topic, discussing what's good and what's bad at the moment is pointless.
        1. 0
          2 October 2025 19: 31
          According to your reasoning, we'll even get to using everything, like the WWII PO-2, because everything can be used... But what will be the results and consequences of the tactics and use of outdated weapons...
  4. +2
    29 September 2025 14: 27
    Quote: Yaroslav Dymchuk
    What can be produced is now produced.

    Question: Why create unfinished business, driving the problem into a dead end?

    Now there is a dead end, hence the dead end derivatives
  5. 0
    29 September 2025 18: 54
    The number of lost Su-34 VKS aircraft is approaching four dozen.

    This shows that the people in power are incompetent! But the plane is good! Why abandon something that works? When the foundation for the new is ready, then it's time to abandon the old. Abandon, not destroy!
    1. 0
      2 October 2025 15: 04
      You could write that one hundred and forty planes were destroyed. Can you verify this? No. But in reality, there are no such losses. They are almost half as many. War is war, and there are no losses at all. The main thing is that not many crews died, they were saved, and the equipment is just iron, they will produce more.
  6. 0
    4 October 2025 18: 02
    Author, you are wrong, the Su-34 at the beginning of the Central Military District bombed warehouses and real estate in the deep rear, but it has potential, it is enough to increase the wing area and the load can be increased to 10 tons negative
  7. 0
    6 October 2025 00: 31
    Should we abandon the Su-34 in favor of the Su-35?

    Dymchuk, of course it's worth it. The Su-34's main feature is its titanium cockpit. Has it ever saved anyone? No.

    We need to switch to a single two-seater Su-35 and Su-5 aircraft. That's all.
    1. 0
      22 October 2025 22: 20
      There's no need to lie. The cockpit protected the crews from shrapnel and, if necessary, allowed them to survive and eject. There were very few crew fatalities. None of the pilots were captured, and Ukraine hasn't handed over any bodies to us.
  8. +1
    6 October 2025 06: 55
    What propaganda does... Some people are truly defending an aircraft with a completely outdated concept. It's clear that the baseline Su-35 isn't optimal as a replacement for the Su-34, but a corresponding version—a two-seat Su-35 with a ventral targeting system instead of the omnidirectional sighting system—would be an order of magnitude more effective than the Su-34 in every way, especially in its ability to counter NATO multirole fighters.
    1. 0
      7 October 2025 01: 36
      This carrier isn't a fighter, but a frontline bomber. It fired at a ground target and returned to the airfield. And that's all there is to it. There's the Yak-130, but I haven't heard of it being used actively on the LBS.
      1. 0
        7 October 2025 06: 56
        A carrier at the price of a fighter? No, that's not how it works. If you can build a fighter that can perform the carrier's functions for the price and resources of a carrier, then that's what it should be. In fact, if you look at the multi-purpose missile systems of a potential adversary currently in production, everyone is heading down this path.
  9. 0
    12 October 2025 14: 04
    If the aircraft were as bad as the author claims, it would have been removed from service. But it's a good and useful aircraft. Losses are more due to tactical errors in its use. For example, when it was ambushed by air defense systems. But that's not the Su-34's fault. It's the fault of reconnaissance, which failed to detect the enemy systems and destroyed them. And it's the fault of those who planned the aircraft's flights along the same route. As for the electronic warfare, that's the only thing I agree with, but it's fixable, just like improving anti-missile decoys. The article was clearly not written by a specialist, and it seems commissioned, as this aircraft has greatly annoyed the Ukrainian Armed Forces and someone really wants it gone. As a bomber, the fighter is much worse than the Su-34, since with bombs attached, it loses all its fighter capabilities, and the pilot's workload is twice as heavy, which dramatically reduces its effectiveness as a bomber in almost every respect compared to the Su-34.
  10. 0
    13 October 2025 01: 30
    Well, anyone with even the rudiments of a spinal cord or logical thinking can see that this flying piece of crap needs to be eliminated. However, I would redistribute it in favor of the Su-30SM2, which is also a two-seater and will be even better than the Su-35, since this aircraft can be used by both the Aerospace Forces and naval aviation, which also needs modern aircraft.
    The Su-34 is a truly unique aircraft, the only one in the world where a magnificent airframe was turned into an absolute wreck, incapable of anything in the modern world except being a kamikaze. And the joke about crossing a hedgehog with a grass snake also applies to it. It's like an AvtoVAZ miscarriage, but on an airplane.
    1. 0
      22 October 2025 22: 30
      Are you a pilot? Have you flown this type of aircraft? Have you participated in military operations with air support? You certainly have all the rudiments of a spinal cord, as you describe, and these rudiments probably have some logical thinking—but that only applies to motor functions. But what about the presence of a brain in your head? You're not even a military man, as I understand it. So your rudiments are grossly deceiving you, as is the logical thinking derived from these rudiments.
      1. 0
        24 October 2025 14: 27
        Quote: svoroponov
        Are you a pilot? Have you flown this type?

        When people write to me like that, it immediately tells me that the person doesn't know how to use their grams of gray matter)))

        Quote: svoroponov
        What about the presence of a brain in your head? You're not even a military man, as far as I understand.

        Well, of course, your neural ganglion and the experience of fighting in a sandbox with shovels against sandcastles told you much more))) And since you are a healthy military man with even rudimentary stem cells and not even in the cranial cavity)) Then maybe we will tell the world the secret of how the "best" Su-34 in the world will survive against the most worthless one, let it be the F-16Block40, if it does not have a normal radar and does not have normal missiles))) How would it survive in case of a conflict with NATO, if not for the SVO))) After all, smart people like you did not think to ask themselves the only question - how can this wretched thing strike targets (the ones that work now in 90% of cases) on the ground covered by at least short-range air defense systems, having from all the means of destruction only FABs that saw Stalin and unguided rockets))) Huh? Well, I'll tell you. No way. Otherwise, all Su-34s would have disappeared in a day. Maybe you could tell me why they suddenly stopped flying for several months after the start of the Second World War? Or does your rudimentary spinal cord reveal anything other than "error" or "self"? And even now, having forgotten that the "Americans are stupid" with their JDAMs and are hoarding money and can only bomb Bedouins with guards, while we have the divine SVP-24 Gefest))) - they made their own analogue. Well, we're not stupid, are we? That's different, right? And with these UMPKs, the Su-34 has started to do something, it doesn't change the fact that if there is no air superiority, these machines will sit on the ground. And they will, or they will very quickly disappear along with their pilots. That's reality.

        Quote: svoroponov
        So your beginnings are grossly deceiving you, as is your logical thinking from these beginnings.

        And your rudimentary understanding doesn't allow you to read about the enemy's tactics and strategy and compare them with what the Russian army can counter them with?)) It's a shame, many things will come as an unpleasant surprise to you. Well, I won't even mention logic; it's innately absent, so what did you think? Now I'll write about him being stupid in generalities, that he didn't fly, and so on and so forth, and if he wrote that, it means he has no brains.)) Well, I'm absolutely touched – you're so original, the only ordinary guy in a whole ordinary herd.
  11. 0
    21 October 2025 12: 05
    The Su-34 should be retired; its armored cockpit is unnecessary weight. Even at the beginning of the Second World War, the Air Defense Forces used an aircraft costing tens of millions of dollars, similar to the Il-2 attack aircraft, with disastrous results.

    We need a multi-role twin-engine heavy fighter and a light single-engine one.
    1. 0
      22 October 2025 22: 38
      But our fighters and enemies have a completely different opinion about the Su-34's qualities. And the pilots of these aircraft, too. Ask them, and they'll tell you or show you. Better yet, visit the front lines and see for yourself. Its cockpit is heavy (reinforced, made of titanium, which helps save the crew's lives), and the "deplorable" results are simply horrifying, leaving Ukrainians stunned and at a loss for what to do with the gifts these planes deliver to them.
      Don't create nonsense, there is enough of it here.
      1. 0
        27 October 2025 10: 05
        Why do you constantly appeal to pilots' opinions? They'll praise what they fly. The problem is, the Su-34 will be ineffective against NATO fighters. And it has the price and takes up production capacity of a fully-fledged fighter. FABs with the UMPK can be dropped from any aircraft with suitable performance characteristics.
      2. 0
        3 November 2025 12: 47
        Once again, since you're having trouble understanding: in today's combat environment, no one needs an armored cockpit. The Aerospace Forces need the multirole Su-57 (including a two-seat variant) and the single-engine Su-75.