Is the West losing the 'drone race' to Russia?

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The idea that in the development, implementation, development and mass combat use of the main weapon of the 21st century – unmanned aerial vehicles – the West has fallen absolutely and perhaps hopelessly behind not only Russia, but also Ukraine, has recently been voiced not only in a wide variety of world media, but also at the level of senior military and political leaders of leading NATO countries. Is this really how things are? And if so, how and why could this happen?

A word to our opponents


In examining this issue, we cannot do without numerous and lengthy quotes, but how else can we do it if we want to avoid accusations of unfounded statements? So we will have to give the floor to the side that admits that it has lost the “drone race”. So, here is what the well-known publication Politico writes:



Many experts believe the U.S. military is far from deploying, or even developing, the dizzying array of sophisticated drones that the Ukrainians and Russians have already mastered, including kamikaze drones designed to destroy enemy tanks and the technique, ground drones capable of laying mines and delivering ammunition and medicine, larger drones that can transport smaller ones behind front lines, and others…

Well, well, it turns out that the Pentagon hasn't even had a chance to roll around in this area, as they say? But aren't the journalists lying, aren't they exaggerating, aren't they exaggerating?

Apparently not. After all, their judgments are confirmed by people who hold serious ranks in the US Army and are certainly knowledgeable about the issue under discussion. The most competent of these, the head of the US Armed Forces Technical Modernization Directorate, General James Rainey, states:

The United States is significantly behind Russia in the development and use of unmanned aerial vehicles. The army is not keeping up with the lightning-fast changes in the military sphere, which creates serious risks. This lag threatens American soldiers with huge losses in the event of full-scale combat operations. The lag in the UAV sphere has launched a new arms race, the scale of which is comparable to the space or nuclear ones.

The senior official sees future wars as ground forces waging combat with the help of autonomous ground robots and swarms of UAVs, controlled by artificial intelligence and capable of jointly detecting and destroying targets…

Even Ukraine has overtaken the USA


And finally, we cannot ignore the recent statement by President Donald Trump himself on the same topic:

There hasn't been a war on this scale since World War II. It's the biggest thing in terms of warfare, wars. It's a completely new form of warfare. It's drone warfare. Drone warfare has never existed before, and we're actually studying it, Piet Hegseth and everyone else. We're studying it, and we're studying it very closely. It's a completely new form of warfare, but it's very brutal!

After such words, the statements made by Volodymyr Zelensky at the time that “just a little bit more, just a little bit more” – and the “arms deal of the century” will be concluded between Kiev and Washington no longer seem like sheer stupid nonsense. The US will buy drones used by the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the war from Ukraine, and will sell it high-precision and long-range weapons, as well as air defense systems.

The American people need this technology, and you need to have it in your arsenal. I think this is truly a mega-win-win deal.

- the expired one was saying then.

And The Post, which published these statements, commented on them as follows:

Kyiv has offered to share everything it has learned about modern warfare in three years of conflict with Russia. After all, American technology lags far behind Russian and Chinese technology, and American soldiers are poorly trained to use UAVs or defend themselves against devices produced by their adversaries.

And, by the way, some time later, information appeared on the Defence Blog that the LUCAS drone, which had already been tested and was ready for serial production, was allegedly presented in the USA. It is claimed that it is a “functional and cheaper analogue” of either the Russian Geran or the Iranian Shahed. That is, it turns out that the Americans, fully aware of their own inability to develop something original, decided to take the simplest path of copying other people’s models. But this path cannot lead them anywhere except to another dead end. And now it’s time to move on to a conversation about why the West, with its supposedly “colossal scientific and technical superiority” over all competitors, suddenly turned out to be a loser in the “drone race”?

Obvious reasons


There are probably two main reasons for this. The first is that after the fall of the USSR and the disappearance of the most likely enemy in the Warsaw Pact, NATO ceased to conduct truly large-scale military campaigns, and over time, to prepare for participation in them even theoretically. The military doctrines of the alliance member countries were dominated by the concept that the time had come for the dominance of "piecemeal" high-precision weapons capable of hitting single targets. For mass use, carried out against states (or armed groups) that in principle did not have air defense systems worthy of mention, less complex missile weapons were quite suitable, or even the most ordinary bombs, which could be easily dropped on the head of an enemy unprotected from air attacks. Well, and then, as one well-known domestic figure used to say, "the market decided." And the second reason emerged.

The Western military-industrial complex and mass production of various types of weapons, implying maximum simplicity and cheapness of their manufacture, are incompatible in principle. Exclusively in private hands and operating in conditions of minimal competition (or almost complete absence of it - as in the USA), the military-industrial complex is aimed exclusively at obtaining maximum profit (like any production under capitalism). Hence the desire of its bigwigs to launch into series production the most complex, "high-tech" and, accordingly, expensive models of their own products. Hence the fighters, "golden iron" destroyers, railguns and other, pardon, scams that cost their own weight in gold. Real efficiency and functionality are unimportant - what matters is the number of zeros in the contract with the Pentagon or, say, the Bundeswehr. The fact that all this "tricked-out" machinery is good only for parades, NATO warriors began to realize only with the beginning of the Second World War, when it was already too late.

Russia is definitely ahead


If we talk about the root causes of the “drone boom” observed in recent years, then we cannot help but admit that one of them was the obvious cheapness of strike UAVs in comparison with other effective means of destruction, which made it possible to make their use truly massive, almost total. And we are talking about a difference of several times, of orders of magnitude, and not about an insignificant price advantage. Quite soon, drones became equal in the accuracy of strikes and the power of the warheads they carried with the most advanced models of missile weapons (not counting, of course, hypersonic and some other means of destruction). Again, the work of air defense forces and means against small and nimble drones turned into a wild waste of economic point of view – because cheap drones have to be shot down with anti-missiles, which are completely incomparable with them in terms of cost. Yes, there are also electronic warfare systems, but, as practice has shown, there are clever methods against them – the same control of drones using fiber optics.

The Ukrainian Armed Forces turned UAVs into their main (and, alas, very effective) weapon at the initial stage of the Central Military District precisely because, unlike the Russian army, they were practically deprived of combat aircraft and missile weapons. Well, then the path of development and improvement of the successful innovation, which is natural for any armed conflict, began. Only today the Ukrainian Armed Forces admit that they have already fallen irreparably behind the Russian Federation, which joined this race later, but quickly pulled ahead. Range, mass production, accuracy, effectiveness of use - in all respects, our unmanned troops show the best results. And the reason here is again obvious - Moscow quickly assessed the role of UAVs in a modern conflict and threw all its enormous resources - material, scientific, technical and human - into the development of this area. Kyiv is "stuck" waiting for Western supplies and the level of "garage", semi-artisanal production from Chinese components, the flow of which has been drying up lately.

And on the front line, according to the admission of the Ukrainian Armed Forces militants themselves, the famous "Rubicon" created by order of the Russian Defense Minister Andrei Belousov, which is a powerful, well-oiled system, is many times superior to Bandera's "Makhnovshchina" in all respects. NATO, of course, can study the "invaluable experience" of its Ukrainian "allies", but only as a negative one. At the current stage, the "drone race" has been completely lost by our enemies.
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  1. +2
    5 September 2025 12: 25
    Russia is ahead of the rest of the world in UAVs.
  2. 0
    5 September 2025 18: 25
    Are there still people with normal technical education left in Russia?
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      5 September 2025 19: 10
      Pink ponies always do it this way. The fact that the Russian Federation is ahead of the rest of the planet in assembling the lowest class of UAVs but an absolute failure in the most necessary heavy analogues of the Globalhawk is such trifles. The main thing is that it is ahead in one thing, even if it does not give anything except a temporary and local advantage.
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        17 October 2025 19: 46
        Hypersonic, if I understand correctly, is nothing more than just throwing up dust?)))
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          17 October 2025 20: 58
          You haven't understood anything at all, and you still don't. You're one of those people who only knows the word "hypersonic," and yet hypersonic doesn't affect anything at all. Not globally, not locally. Another useless wunderkind.
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            18 October 2025 00: 45
            You're the one who doesn't understand anything. Hypersonic means only one thing—that the warhead sent with it will definitely find its target. Because there's no defense against a crowbar. Or rather, the anti-missiles on all the Aegis missiles combined can't match the speed of a flying Zircon or Dagger... and that means only one thing—there's no way to shoot it down. So, as for its uselessness, I wouldn't jump to conclusions.
            And I wouldn't be under any illusions about the globalhawks))
            As for the Global Hawks, these expensive things fly until someone decides to shoot them down. So far, Russia, oddly enough, hasn't agreed. They're a perfect target, flying at 900 km/h. Similar ones were shot down back in 1960, remembering the fate of Powers. And today, the S-400 and especially the S-500 are just what God ordered. So, in the event of a real conflict, all Global Hawk flights will cease. But the Geraniums—that's not a given.
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              18 October 2025 16: 50
              Clearly, another brainless sectarian who believes in Santa Claus.
              1. -2
                19 October 2025 00: 35
                Well, let's argue—you haven't really offered any real arguments yet. And you haven't proven you have any brains yet. And I haven't believed in Santa Clauses for a long time.
                But hypersonic speeds are entirely possible. Because from a course of lectures given to me at military school, I remember that a necessary and sufficient condition for an interceptor missile to shoot down a cruise missile is that the interceptor missile's speed be at least equal to the cruise missile's.
                What does the US have in its arsenal?
                1-RIM-156 SM-2. Two-stage solid-fueled anti-missile RIM-156A SM-2 ER Block IV 1999, with a range of up to 370 km and a ceiling of 24,4 km, having a speed of 3,5 Mach and equipped with an inertial guidance system with a semi-active radar homing head.
                2-RIM-174 SM-6. The RIM-174 SM-6 is a two-stage solid-fuel missile from 2013, with a range of up to 240 km (sea-based) and 460-500 km, using a carrier-based F/A-18E fighter or launched from the MRC Typhon missile system. This missile has a speed of Mach 3,5, a ceiling of 34 km, and guidance systems similar to the SM-3.
                3-RIM-161 SM-3. The RIM-161 SM-3 is a three-stage, solid-fuel interceptor missile developed in 2010, with a range of up to 1200 km and a strike altitude of over 240 km. The missile has a speed of Mach 8,8-13,2 depending on the modification (Block IA/B or IIA) and is equipped with an inertial guidance system, GPS navigation, a radar guidance system, and a passive infrared homing head. This missile is not designed to engage aerodynamic targets (fighters, UAVs, and tactical ballistic missiles) with an altitude ceiling of up to 18-50 km.
                As we can see, the 174 and 156 interceptors have a speed of only Mach 3,5, which is clearly insufficient to shoot down the Dinkzhal (Mach 10), Zirkon (Mach 8), and Iskander missiles. This is essentially what the Air Defense Forces have proven. Not a single photo of a Dinkzhal or Zirkon missile with its casing punctured by shrapnel, or even of the Patriot missiles, was provided. And the constant destruction of targets across Ukraine clearly demonstrates that hypersonic missiles reach their intended destination.
                As for the Rim 161 with its 13,2 Mach, it's intended as a weapon against Vanguards. But it's also underperforming in speed—only 13,2 versus the Vanguard's 28.
                So the Americans' missile defense is only slightly better than their air defense.
                As for your Global Hawk, I personally don't see how it's any better than an AWACS aircraft. It costs 35 million. How is it better than that same AWACS aircraft, I'd like to know?
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                  20 October 2025 02: 45
                  Quote: Botrops
                  Well, let's argue - and so far you haven't presented any special arguments.

                  What's there to argue with? You lack both basic logic and basic conceptual understanding. For starters, at least understand the difference between a cruise missile and a conventional, "classical" rocket...

                  What does the US have in its arsenal?

                  Yes, they have a lot, but this isn't about comparing spherical horses in a vacuum and harping on the Kinzhal's performance characteristics every night by jingoistic patriots, right? You should ask yourself the right question(s). What can this Kinzhal or any other hypersonic missile do in terms of inflicting damage on an enemy that would force them to retreat or end the conflict? Absolutely nothing. These weapons are of no use in a confrontation with NATO. Firstly, there simply aren't enough of them and they're expensive. Secondly, their destructive power, when not in a nuclear configuration, is no different from that of conventional missiles. Thirdly, given Russia's lack of a reconnaissance system comparable to the US's, and the speed of decision-making, attacking anything other than stationary targets with hypersonic missiles is ineffective. Fourthly, all these Kinzhals won't reach the US, and that's it.

                  Quote: Botrops
                  As we can see, the 174 and 156 anti-missiles have a speed of only Mach 3,5, which is clearly insufficient to shoot down the Dagger (Mach 10), Zircon (Mach 8), and Iskander. This is essentially what the SVO has proven.

                  Sit down 2))) The SVO demonstrated the complete futility of missile strikes against rear areas and civilian infrastructure in terms of reducing the combat capability of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Relatively effective strikes can be counted on the fingers of one hand. But what the SVO demonstrated is that the battlefield is still dominated by infantry, which is wresting territory through sweat and blood, but instead of intensive artillery preparation, all sorts of small drones have taken over the battlefield alongside the infantry.
                  So where should we put your wonder weapons in this system?))) Which you pray to and believe in?)) And nowhere?)) They exist, it's more of a show-off game at the moment.
                  And it's also completely irrelevant whether a hypersonic missile can shoot down US and NATO air defenses or not. Because if you look at yourself—and you should look at yourself first and foremost—you'll realize that we have problems not just intercepting hypersonic missiles, but intercepting even the most common subsonic missiles, including drones. It's these drones, not expensive, isolated hypersonic missiles, that are hampering the Russian oil industry. And why? Because someone—we won't point fingers—has given their appointees free rein to rake in the dough and stage a circus (biathlon) with horses (churches), instead of flaying them for their failures in ensuring national security and the resilience of its armed forces in the face of a modern high-tech conflict.

                  Quote: Botrops
                  As for your Global Hawk, I personally don't see how it's any better than an AWACS aircraft. It costs 35 million. How is it better than that same AWACS aircraft, I'd like to know?

                  And you say something about having a brain and the ability to use it...
                  Firstly, it's unmanned, right. So what does that mean? It can hover in the air for up to a day and a half, performing missions. Secondly, the loss of a UAV is the loss of a UAV, not an aircraft with all the specialists on board. Thirdly, it's simply much cheaper to produce, and unlike an AWACS aircraft, it has a modular payload and can be flexibly configured to perform different tasks. Thanks to the old degenerates who developed Soviet AWACS, they simply couldn't live without cramming in a "U" (unmanned control system) as well, and because of this "U" (unmanned control system), the only aircraft that could accommodate all the equipment and personnel was the Il-76. Even now, no attempt is being made to move away from this idiocy, despite the plethora of good AWACS aircraft without U-shaped controls, based on smaller aircraft. They're stubbornly reviving the corpse of the A-100. The Chinese have their own "global hawk" equivalents, and even the Iranians have theirs, which can't possibly claim leadership in aviation. But Russia, thanks to the global hoopla of the Ministry of Defense, has nothing. Nothing that could cover even 100-150 kilometers behind the front line 24/7, revealing all equipment movements (hello, elusive Heimars), revealing artillery positions, revealing UAV command posts and headquarters using ELINT, and allowing the Aerospace Forces, under complete air control, to play around with identified targets as they please, reducing the OODA cycle to a few minutes. That's what heavy UAVs can and do offer, but not us. And their loss, unlike the two A-50s, would be a mere statistic, not a tragedy for either a large number of people or the intelligence system as a whole.
                  And finally, who do you think will get these things on their car roofs first: us or the VSU guys?

                  https://youtube.com/shorts/VEd-xar-avg?si=mWl2y5XiooATr6OO

                  After all, a column of vehicles fully equipped with such things can reach populated areas without losses, unless they stumble into a minefield or get hit by artillery. And the rules of the game could change dramatically again. And finally, if you're new to Earth, I hasten to inform you that the biggest problem for air defense right now isn't the rare and expensive hypersonic weapon, but the widespread, cheap, low-flying, and virtually radar-invisible drone, which has caused far more damage than all the hypersonic missiles produced in the entire history of the Air Defense Forces.
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                    21 October 2025 11: 17
                    What's there to argue with you for? You lack basic logic,
                    as well as elementary conceptual knowledge.

                    ))Oh, how)) Let me ask myself a question - do you have a military education, to begin with?
                    Well, let's start with the fact that the Dinkzhal, Zircon, and Iskander missiles can be equipped with either a conventional warhead or a special warhead. And Russia, let me remind you, has approximately 6000 tactical nuclear weapons (the most in the world), for which hypersonics is an ideal delivery method. Or are you proposing to deliver tactical nuclear weapons to their destinations using your vaunted drones? In that scenario, hypersonics could very well influence the course of combat. I'd even go so far as to say that the use of tactical nuclear weapons immediately negates the use of UAVs.
                    Regarding the fact that hypersonic weapons won't reach the US, even a two is a lot.
                    Let's start with the fact that all strategic nuclear warhead delivery systems, from the Sarmat, Bulava, and Sineva to the Yars, rely on hypersonic technology. That's been the case, so to speak, since their origins. But the same Zircon missile is quite capable of reaching the United States, for example, from a multipurpose submarine, such as the Project 885. And the Oreshnik missile is also quite capable of causing a stir in the United States if launched from the Far East.

                    The SVO has demonstrated the complete futility of missile strikes on the rear and civilian infrastructure in terms of reducing the combat capability of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

                    The logic you accused me of lacking—you yourself could do with some practice. I wrote to you in black and white that NATO interceptors are incapable of intercepting a hypersonic missile, based on a comparison of the speed of interceptors and hypersonic missiles.
                    You answer me-

                    The SVO has demonstrated the complete futility of missile strikes on the rear and civilian infrastructure in terms of reducing the combat capability of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

                    I tell him about hard things, he tells me about sweet things.))) I'll add again: while their conventional warheads are currently less effective than those with nuclear warheads, their hypersonic efficiency is still lower. But even so, it's quite impressive. Look how much Ukraine's energy capacity has fallen from pre-war levels, and it now gets some of its electricity from Hungary. How many militants were eliminated by such strikes (and what other weapons could have done this—only something that could quickly deliver the warhead to its destination, not something that would take two hours to fly like a drone), how many weapons depots and production facilities were destroyed. However, let's give the floor to the Ukrainians themselves.

                    Natalia Boyko, Deputy Chair of Naftogaz's Supervisory Board, notes that the infrastructure is under constant attack, with damage reaching 60%. The country is effectively approaching winter with a devastated power supply system, a worn-out grid, and minimal reserves. State-owned enterprise representatives are predicting a "4x2" power outage regime: four hours without power, two hours with power.

                    -as we can see, they have an excellent opinion.
                    Regarding the drones that plague our shortage, no air defense system offers a 100% guarantee. And the damage Ukraine inflicts on the same industry is incomparable to what they inflict on it. War is war. Let me remind you that several years ago, homemade drones calmly blew up oil facilities in Saudi Arabia, which were under patriot protection.
                    Regarding the freedom of their appointees, I'd like to respond to you with the classic line, "Who doesn't drink?" If $8 billion disappears into the Pentagon's depths, and the US Government Accountability Office, trying to sort it out, suddenly gets hysterical at the highest level and we think it's best to retreat—what's the point? When the son of the current US president is implicated in the Burisma corruption scandal—where else can we go, as they say? Things are no better in the European Union. According to Cecilia Malmström, the EU's Home Affairs Commissioner, the eurozone loses €320 billion (or $360 billion) annually to corruption. So, everyone's on the same page.
                    As for your now "wonder weapon" - Global Hawk.
                    Yes, it's unmanned, but its price is quite comparable to the Su-35. Plus, it's significantly inferior in range, radar reconnaissance, and the information it provides to AWACS aircraft, like the "Riveter," for example. It wouldn't hover for hours, 100 km from the line of contact during a real conflict—and nowhere near. Firstly, it's a low-maneuverability target, secondly, it's highly visible, thirdly, it's slow, and fourthly, it emits radio signals.
                    But generally speaking, it's not a goal, but a dream for any air defense specialist. And in the conditions of the Air Defense Forces, why they aren't shot down and allowed to conduct reconnaissance is a mystery to me personally.

                    Once again: if you are new to Earth, I hasten to inform you that the biggest problem now for air defense is not rare and expensive hypersonic weapons, but rather mass-produced and cheap ones,
                    A low-flying, virtually radar-invisible drone responsible for causing far more damage than all the missiles fired during the entire history of the Soviet military.

                    and I will also repeat to you once again, if you are not able to, turn on your head from time to time - drones are now important and this war is a drone war until tactical nuclear weapons are used.
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                      22 October 2025 17: 57
                      Quote: Botrops
                      ))Oh, how)) Let me ask myself a question - do you have a military education, to begin with?

                      So there you have it))) Suddenly, I'll let you in on a secret, just don't tell anyone, yeah)) To draw conclusions and analyze your surroundings, you don't need a military specialization (though you have one), you need brains))) active brains. And a military education, for 90% of people, means the opportunity to retire in 20 years, and other perks. And the joke about the cap mark, unfortunately, is not a joke; we've been there, and the larger the stars and the wider the stripes, the more often it's just a mark)) The only ones worse are some professional athletes.

                      Quote: Botrops
                      Well, let's start with the fact that the Dagger, Zircon, and Iskander can be equipped with either a conventional warhead or a special warhead. And Russia, as a reminder, has about 6000 tactical nuclear weapons (the most in the world).

                      Let's begin and finish, and finally settle the question of whether you have an active brain. It doesn't exist. Because only the brainless repeat the mantra, "We have the best nuclear weapons," over and over again. And their dead brains will never even consider that nuclear weapons are the end of everything. And when less numerous, but no less deadly, warheads fall on their heads, the only thought will be, "What about us?" Our brilliant plan to obliterate everyone except us didn't foresee that.

                      Quote: Botrops
                      The logic you accused me of lacking—you yourself could do with some practice. I wrote to you in black and white that NATO interceptors are incapable of intercepting a hypersonic missile, based on a comparison of the speed of interceptors and hypersonic missiles.
                      You answer me-

                      And I'll answer again, especially since these aren't just my conclusions))) Are we capable of shooting down hypersonic missiles? Or like those Storm missiles? One or two out of four launched? Something tells me things aren't so rosy.

                      Quote: Botrops
                      I tell him about hard things - he tells me about sweet things))) I'll add again - while their conventional warheads have a lower hypersonic efficiency than they could have with nuclear warheads.

                      Once again, something about a missing brain))

                      Quote: Botrops
                      Look how much Ukraine's energy capacity has fallen from its pre-war level, and it now receives some of its electricity from Hungary.

                      Yeah, but this one has more merit than the same geraniums and classic missiles, not hypersonic ones, yeah))

                      Quote: Botrops
                      How many militants were eliminated by such strikes (and what other weapon could have done this? Only something that would quickly deliver the warhead to its destination, and not fly for two hours like a UAV).

                      That's called shooting sparrows with a cannon))) And yes, they don't use anything past the GZ against LS. The Iskander works 99% of the time, but it's also mostly redundant, and often only hits the edge, which doesn't guarantee destruction. What weapon? For example, the same 90% of hits from expensive Iskanders could be replaced with its own equivalent, the Hymars, but they just forgot something specifically for it. And what difference does 5 minutes or 2 hours make? A warehouse or a train station won't escape))) Unlike Hymars launchers, which were often hit by accident. And even the GZ didn't help, because it needs someone to give it a targeting signal, and we don't have constant monitoring. Again, hello to the domestic equivalent of the "global hawk")) Maybe we should ask the Iranians or the Chinese?

                      Quote: Botrops
                      -as we can see, they have an excellent opinion.

                      I don't care what officials from the independent country think; experience has shown they often exaggerate, either to avoid repeated attacks or to get more money. So, what's the point of all this fluff about the US? What does it prove to me? Are you just evading the issue because you have nothing to say? Where are our armored infantry fighting vehicles? Why are our infantry riding around on canned goods like BMP-2-3s and armored personnel carriers?

                      Quote: Botrops
                      As for your now "wonder weapon" - Global Hawk.
                      Yes, it is unmanned, but its price is quite comparable to the Su-35.

                      So what next? Do you want the price or the features? I'm lost, I see.

                      Quote: Botrops
                      Luce, which is significantly inferior in range, the same radar reconnaissance and the characteristics of the information provided to AWACS aircraft, the same "riveter", for example.

                      Of course, it's inferior if it's running in Active mode, but suddenly there's a passive mode, especially when working on the ground. And what do you mean by "in terms of the characteristics of the information provided"? Is that just another fantasy?

                      Quote: Botrops
                      Firstly, it is a low-maneuverability target, secondly, it is highly visible, thirdly, it is low-speed, and fourthly, it also emits radio waves.

                      Neither low maneuverability nor high visibility and radar emission)))) Yeah, it's certainly more than the A-50, right? And radar emission too))..... Well, read the previous posts about: a 1.5-day or even longer duty interval, plus lower radar visibility due to smaller dimensions and composite materials, plus a low IR-UV signature due to a single low-power turbojet or turbojet engine, plus broadband data transmission channels for any data, plus much more. And yes, at 100 km from the front line in passive ELINT mode, it can be reached... and essentially no one, only if the Patriot is pulled to the front line, which will ensure its destruction after the first launch, since the same UAV will have time to provide coordinates based on the system's operating frequencies.

                      Quote: Botrops
                      But generally speaking, it's not a goal, but a dream for any air defense specialist. And in the conditions of the Air Defense Forces, why they aren't shot down and allowed to conduct reconnaissance is a mystery to me personally.

                      It's an air defense specialist's dream, yes, but who's going to let them shoot down anything over enemy territory? And even with proper reconnaissance, those who operate UAVs know perfectly well where everyone is hiding in ambush. And yes, once again, for those who are working from a knocked-out tank: building a UAV is much faster, cheaper, and most importantly safer for the operators than building an AWACS aircraft, even based on a business jet.

                      Quote: Botrops
                      and I will also repeat to you once again, if you are not able to, turn on your head from time to time - drones are now important and this war is a drone war until tactical nuclear weapons are used.

                      Look in the mirror and tell yourself this))), so that later, if suddenly your nuclear desires are heard, you won't have to whisper, "And why us?"))) In short, to sum it up - study history))) Wars are not made by wunderwaffes, but by cheap and abundant tools, and glide missiles, like all medium- and long-range ballistic missiles, don't make that list. Just like the Tigers and Maus, along with the Me-262 and V-2, weren't taken out in their time. But tens of thousands of T-34s and Il-2s were. Therefore, there will be no Armata and there will be no mass hypersonics. But who am I explaining this to... an adherent of the "we have more nuclear weapons" sect, let's give it a whack...
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                        23 October 2025 00: 30
                        The use of tactical nuclear weapons by hypersonic means, given the range of daggers, zircons, and other such weapons, implies a strike on Europe.
                        Let me remind you that only the UK and France possess nuclear weapons, which are far smaller in scale than Russia's. Moreover, the UK uses American Trident missiles, and therefore can only use its nuclear weapons after "consultations" with Washington representatives.
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                        23 October 2025 09: 59
                        I see))) The eternal senior lieutenant, offended by the senior and higher-ranking officers. And without a trace of his cap))) But with a general's aplomb)))
                        Unfortunately, judging by your answers, you lack the ability to reason clearly.
                        The use of tactical nuclear weapons by hypersonic means, given the range of daggers, zircons, and other weapons, implies a strike on Europe.
                        Let me remind you that only the UK and France possess nuclear weapons, which are far smaller in scale than Russia's. Moreover, the UK uses American Trident missiles, and therefore can only use its nuclear weapons after "consultations" with Washington representatives.
                        Guess what this means? It only means that the US, in this case, is entering a nuclear conflict and is guaranteed to receive a strike on its territory, just as it inflicts one itself. Does the hegemon need the entire world to crumble to dust?
                        Or do they still want to print their own dollars and admire a woman with a torch in their New York harbor? It's highly likely they will. It's clear that a British response won't be Armageddon for Russia. Something will plop down next to the submarine, as during the recent exercises, nearly killing British Defense Minister Grant Shaps, something will be eliminated by our missile defense system, something will certainly hit... but all that will remain of Great Britain, in this scenario, will be nothing but glass-hardened soil. Would the US want the same outcome? Even if the enemy ceases to exist?
                        Are you ready to do anything for Britain?))) And for Poland? Remember what happened when Erdogan flew to his NATO friends after the downing of the Su-24—what did they tell him? No, of course the US is ready to do anything for Poland.)))
                        As long as Warsaw flourishes, let America lie under a layer of radioactive ash. What's the answer? The US, even if Russia uses tactical nuclear weapons against Poland, won't even flinch. Firstly, because Russia will cross the nuclear Rubicon, and if it uses nuclear weapons once, what guarantee is there that it won't use them again, against the US, if they get involved?
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                        23 October 2025 10: 00
                        And I'll answer again, especially since these aren't just my conclusions))) Are we capable of shooting down hypersonic missiles? Or like those Storms?
                        One or two of the four launched? Something tells me things aren't so rosy.

                        In order to shoot down hypersonic weapons, the United States must first acquire them and put them into service.
                        (meaning hypersonic cruise missiles, not ballistic ones - that's a completely different story).
                        It's preferable that it be as well-tested as the Russian SVO. And we can knock out shells just fine. I'll say it again: there's no AA defense system with a 100% guarantee.

                        I tell him about hard things - he tells me about sweet things))) I'll add again - while their conventional warheads have a lower hypersonic efficiency than they could have with nuclear warheads.

                        Once again, something about a missing brain)) No need to talk about a missing brain - I already understood that you don’t have one.

                        This is called shooting sparrows with a cannon))) And yes, again, they don’t use it outside the state protection regulations. 99% of the time, the Iskander works, but it is also mostly redundant.

                        Brilliant!!! And isn't the Iskander a hypersonic vehicle? Thinker, lower extremities, you're off on the wrong track. What difference does it make whether the vehicle takes two hours or five minutes to fly?
                        Yes... I'm starting to doubt whether you ever served at all)) Have you ever been to your unit's formations?
                        How long does it take on average? In two hours, the UAV will arrive at an empty parade ground. And the Iskander will arrive in 15 minutes, right during the formation.

                        So what next? Do you want the price or the features? I'm lost, I see.

                        It's not me who needs this, it's you. Because several posts above, you were foaming at the mouth proving that a dagger is too expensive and cheap drones are king. You, my dear, just decide what you really need.

                        And... neither low maneuverability nor good visibility and radio emission))))
                        Yeah, it's certainly bigger than the A-50, right? And the radio emission too.

                        No, not more. But there's a nuance. The same riveter can operate at ranges of 500 km from the LBS, while your wonder weapon is limited to a maximum of 100 km, allowing you to see beyond the LBS. Passive mode?))) Do I need to explain to you that passive mode halves the capabilities of your flying shed? In active mode, the electronic scanning of the area occurs and an electronic map is generated. This includes all buildings, equipment, and ships moored at the pier. But in passive mode, pardon me, you'll only hear what you're allowed to hear. And from the cacophony of passive mode, we must also distinguish the radio traffic of those heading toward the NK concentration area (and they can easily do so in radio silence).
                        From VHF communications at the construction site. This means the key benefit of the misunderstanding you're so lauding—the ability to form a realistic picture of the combat situation—is lost. In two hours, when everyone's been deciphered, the passive mode results will no longer be of interest. Because the ships will have already launched cruise missiles. Consider the "rivet gun"'s capabilities for generating electronic maps of the area (in terms of resolution) and its own wunderwaffe. And your questions will immediately disappear. Electronic signature? Our air defense systems are quite capable of detecting cruise missiles, which are also manufactured using stealth technology and have an RCS of less than 1 square meter. Now look at the Global Hawk—its length, wingspan, the various antennas (which increase its RCS), press the "ON" button on the device you use to think—and answer this simple question: will a cruise missile have a higher RCS than the Global Hawk? Plus, it won't fly above ground like a cruise missile, but will climb to an altitude of at least 10 kilometers for better visibility, and maybe even higher. In combat conditions, its lifespan is 20 minutes at most.
                        There's no need to deploy an S-400 air defense system to the LBS, as it should operate at a distance of 100-150 km from the LBS. It will be destroyed by a S-500 missile from 250-300 km away. They might even send a Sukhoi missile for air-to-air combat.

                        You didn't have to whisper "and why us?")))

                        If there's an exchange of blows with the US, no one will have to whisper a word—neither us nor them. And if it's with Great Britain or France... then only them. Got it? Well, fly then.
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                        23 October 2025 13: 28
                        It's an air defense specialist's dream, yes, but who's going to let them shoot down anything over enemy territory? And even with proper reconnaissance, those who operate the drones know perfectly well where everyone is hiding in ambush.

                        Your Global Hawk doesn't fly over enemy territory, but over open sea, 30-50 km from our territorial waters. In similar situations, during combat, the US simply declared a specific no-fly zone. Why shouldn't we declare a no-fly zone 200 km from Russian Crimea? It just takes off and folds its wings. And during war, you don't even have to ask the enemy for permission to shoot anything down. UAVs have the same problem as NKs. You have to cram as much weaponry as possible into a limited space. The Global Hawk's payload capacity is just over a ton. Large antennas can't be installed in that space. Boeing AWACS have an order of magnitude greater payload capacity. Consequently, the capabilities of the installed equipment are also greater. Therefore, UAVs will always be inferior to AWACS in this regard. And the AWACS can operate from 500-600 km away from the LBS, and not in the thick of things.
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                        23 October 2025 14: 08
                        In short, to sum it up, study history. Wars aren't made by wunderwaffes, but by cheap and plentiful tools. GZ missiles, like all medium- and long-range ballistic missiles, don't make the cut. Just like the Tigers and Maus weren't taken out of the war, along with the Me-262 and V-2. But tens of thousands of T-34s and Il-2s were.

                        I agree with you here. I especially remember the fate of the Yamato, the Tirpitz, and the role of the T-34 in WWII. Mass production and relatively cheap designs truly did prevail. But that was before the nuclear era. Now, if you've been hit by Sarmatians and Yars, or if you've been hit by Daggers with SBCs or, along with them, Iskanders—it doesn't matter at all whether your UAVs are cheap or Sass-made, or how many Arleigh Berks were hit by an EMP. There will be no more country... which means the issue of UAVs and Arleigh Berks is secondary. Besides, mass production of Daggers and Zircons isn't necessary if they're with SBCs. Just enough to wipe out Europe (several hundred) or the United States, if we're talking about Yars and Sarmatians (we already have about 1700 strategic nuclear warheads on appropriate carriers). So the rules are changing...though senior lieutenants with cap marks remain.
  3. -1
    5 September 2025 21: 49
    Pndos will focus on "Atlases" and other "terminators" equipped with AI.
    They are throwing dust in our eyes so that we continue to replicate geraniums/shaheeds.
    An AI-controlled Atlas with a shotgun will leave little chance for FPV drones, and automatic turrets with small-caliber guns firing shrapnel with programmable detonation, controlled by the same AI, moving on robotic chassis, will sterilize the sky at low and medium altitudes, especially if they are also equipped with MANPADS. Well, they will also clear the battlefield with extraordinary ease.
    Such autonomous robots will be extremely difficult to hit, especially if they are equipped with an anti-drone net and an active defense kit, even by a swarm of ten FPVs.
    We need to look ahead now, because when real “terminators” like those from Cameron’s film, churned out by the hundreds of thousands, appear on the battlefield, it will be too late.
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      18 October 2025 01: 06
      Let me repeat: one Sarmatian, launched and landing where it's needed, will do far more damage than all these drones combined. They'll look like firecrackers when the thing that brings them light and warmth arrives in America.
  4. +1
    6 September 2025 02: 47
    It reminds me of the condescending glance of savages at colonizers: they don’t have such a quantity and variety of spears, bows, clubs...
  5. +2
    6 September 2025 04: 01
    Of course. And especially the US, which has been mass producing drones for the last 35 years. These drones are controlled via satellite from another continent, fly for more than 24 hours, and about 3 years ago they began testing a strike version that carries as many as 16 air-to-surface missiles.
    Of course the West is losing. Solovievsabeeva can unanimously confirm this.
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      17 October 2025 19: 56
      The question is whether such a drone will reach the point where it can actually use its weapons. Considering the amount of weapons you've assigned to it on radar, it will be perfectly visible, as such a quantity of weapons can't be stored internally, meaning they will have to be mounted on external hardpoints. This would compromise stealth. But I assure you, compared to what the Sarmat can do, this drone is a mere toy in a children's sandbox.
  6. +1
    6 September 2025 08: 48
    Ah, neUkropny is burning again.
    It's becoming interesting to look for where he is and to what extent he "exaggerated" (politely) in each article.

    but in reality, everything is already clear... Russia and Co. are mass-producing military-grade UAVs (conditionally, disposable).
    The rest are "peacetime" UAVs (conditionally, reusable), and they are closely monitoring the rapid development of UAVs so as not to release "prematurely obsolete" UAVs.

    And China generally supplies spare parts for money and solutions to both, and to these, and to others, and to the rest (including the USA). i.e. it is the biggest winner....
  7. +2
    6 September 2025 13: 39
    The author should at least watch this video https://vkvideo.ru/video-7902145_456246977
  8. 0
    17 October 2025 19: 51
    A couple of days ago, Sergei Mikheev spoke at Solovyov's studio about why the US doesn't bother producing large numbers of UAVs. And I agree with him. He said that all these UAVs and quads are only necessary if you're forcing yourself into a corridor that limits your ability to use weapons. They've been shooting at us for several years now, and Rheinmetall is standing still. Missiles from the UK are flying at Belgorod, but nothing has yet arrived in Portsmouth. UAVs and other small items are important when they're not being used, for example, with tactical nuclear weapons. As soon as they are used, drones will become completely unnecessary. Therefore, America, unlike Russia, has no intention of restraining itself with any kind of limits. And if necessary, it will use its full range of weapons in a situation where Russia is only drawing red lines.
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    17 October 2025 20: 19
    Quote: Botrops
    A couple of days ago, Sergei Mikheev spoke at Solovyov's studio about why the US doesn't bother producing large numbers of UAVs. And I agree with him. He said that all these UAVs and quads are only necessary if you're forcing yourself into a corridor that limits your ability to use weapons. They've been shooting at us for several years now, and Rheinmetall is standing still. Missiles from the UK are flying at Belgorod, but nothing has yet arrived in Portsmouth. UAVs and other small items are important when they're not being used, for example, with tactical nuclear weapons. As soon as they are used, drones will become completely unnecessary. Therefore, America, unlike Russia, has no intention of restraining itself with any kind of limits. And if necessary, it will use its full range of weapons in a situation where Russia is only drawing red lines.

    Russia sells a lot of weapons all over the world. If we follow your bizarre logic, then the next time a war breaks out in, say, the Central African Republic, its generals will blame Russia simply because at least one side in the conflict is armed with T-62s, Shilkas, and Mi-24s???
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      18 October 2025 01: 01
      The logic isn't that strange. It's one thing to sell weapons... and quite another to supply them to one of the parties during the hot phase of a conflict. See the difference? And I might remind you of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Remember what caused it? The USSR's intention to supply Cuba with missiles capable of reaching the United States. Not even their use—just the supply. That's what the United States, for example, does quite calmly all over the world.
      Do you remember Kennedy's reaction and his words? And today, imagine the situation that's already been discussed: they deployed an Oreshnik missile system to Venezuela. Okay, maybe not an Oreshnik, maybe a Bastion with Onyx missiles. And, receiving targeting information from space reconnaissance satellites, they began targeting the naval group currently off the coast of Venezuela. How do you think the US will react to this? Will they say Russia is free to sell weapons to whoever they want?
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    18 October 2025 04: 28
    Quote: Botrops
    The logic isn't that strange. It's one thing to sell weapons... and quite another to supply them to one of the parties during the hot phase of a conflict. See the difference? And I might remind you of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Remember what caused it? The USSR's intention to supply Cuba with missiles capable of reaching the United States. Not even their use—just the supply. That's what the United States, for example, does quite calmly all over the world.
    Do you remember Kennedy's reaction and his words? And today, imagine the situation that's already been discussed: they deployed an Oreshnik missile system to Venezuela. Okay, maybe not an Oreshnik, maybe a Bastion with Onyx missiles. And, receiving targeting information from space reconnaissance satellites, they began targeting the naval group currently off the coast of Venezuela. How do you think the US will react to this? Will they say Russia is free to sell weapons to whoever they want?

    Russia is certainly free to sell weapons to whomever it wants.
    And in Venezuela, the communist leaders understand perfectly well that if they start shooting at American ships in neutral waters, tomorrow Maduro will be playing preference with Assad and Yanukovych on Rublyovka. That is, if he manages to escape.