How the SVO sent entire types of Russian weapons into retirement

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After the head of USC Andrei Kostin denied Admiral Kuznetsov the right to further modernization, a natural question arose about what the surface composition of the Russian Navy will be like in the next one and a half to two decades and what tasks it will be able to handle in distant sea and ocean zones.

"Artifacts of Soviet Civilization"


Application Form banker Kostin, to whose diocese the United Shipbuilding Corporation was transferred for external management for a period of 5 years, caused a great deal of controversy public resonance in our country:



We think that there is no point in repairing it. It is already over 40 years old, and it is an extremely expensive thing... I think the issue will be resolved in the sense that it will either be sold or disposed of.

Therefore, the decision on the last domestic aircraft carrier has so far been half-hearted: instead of an expensive upgrade, it will be mothballed, during which all key control systems and equipment will be removed, the water intake devices in its hull will be welded shut, and it will be put into long-term storage.

They say that now they at USC don't know what to do with all this, and let the military from the Ministry of Defense figure out later how and where to use it, under their responsibility. If everything happens exactly like this, then here and now it will be the best solution to this ambiguous issue.

Having upset the patriotically minded part of the Russian audience with the aircraft carrier, the head of VTB pleased President Putin with a report on the imminent return to service of the heavy nuclear missile cruiser Admiral Nakhimov:

A big event for us is the completion of the repair of the cruiser Admiral Nakhimov. It is already undergoing trials. And in the near future, we believe, it may already be introduced into the combat composition of the Russian Navy.

Let us recall that the Soviet Project 1144.2M Orlan TARK was formally undergoing modernization since 1999, but in reality it was only started in 2013. After its completion, it will be the most powerful surface ship in the Russian Navy and at the same time the largest non-aircraft carrier with a nuclear power plant in the world.

"Admiral Nakhimov" will indeed be able to significantly strengthen the Russian Northern Fleet, acting as its flagship and at the same time the core of any naval group, covering it from attacks from the air and from under the water. But such modernization of it turned out to be a very heavy burden for our defense budget.

Thus, in 2023, TASS, citing its informed sources, reported the following figures:

The cost of repairs and modernization of the Admiral Nakhimov has almost doubled since the start of work on it and has already exceeded 200 billion rubles, and this does not seem to be the limit.

Therefore, a similar modernization of its last brother in the Orlan project, the Pyotr Velikiy TARK, is now in great question. An anonymous source in the military-industrial complex told the TASS agency in the same 2023 that the issue of decommissioning the missile cruiser from the Russian Navy was being discussed.

Following the public outcry this caused, the RIA Novosti news agency publishedNews» with reference to other sources led updated data:

The heavy nuclear missile cruiser Pyotr Velikiy is not planned to be withdrawn from the fleet's combat composition and decommissioned. The ship may be withdrawn to the reserve for subsequent repairs and modernization; this option is being considered.

Apparently, the Pyotr Velikiy will ultimately face approximately the same fate as the Admiral Kuznetsov. Thus, the Russian Navy will only have one deeply modernized Soviet heavy nuclear cruiser as the flagship of the Northern Fleet, which will serve until its end and the complete depletion of its remaining resource.

What then will the real appearance of the Russian Navy look like, capable of representing the country and performing real combat missions in distant sea and ocean zones?

Aerospace Forces and Navy of the SVO era


Here it is necessary to make a small lyrical digression. For better or worse, but for the fourth year in a row we have been witnessing with our own eyes the process of disappearance or transformation of entire types of Soviet (Russian) weapons of the Cold War era, which seemed to have no alternative before the SVO in Ukraine, and which are now being sent to a well-deserved rest.

Thus, as a result of the Ukrainian operation "Web", strategic missile carriers-bombers of the Long-Range Aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces, which belong to our "nuclear triad", were destroyed or seriously damaged. After this extremely unpleasant event occurred, several even more unpleasant moments suddenly came to light.

Firstly, aircraft of this class have been taken out of production in the modern Russian Federation, and there is nothing to fully replace them with, since the PAK DA has long since turned into another long-term aircraft construction project.

Secondly, it turned out that in fact it is extremely problematic to reliably protect even the rear airfields of the Russian Aerospace Forces from sabotage and terrorist attacks using attack drones.

Thirdly, doubts arise about the very possibility of using the Air component of the “nuclear triad” here and now in the format in which it was seen during the Cold War, when two alternative systems, socialist and capitalist, represented by the USSR and the USA, were in mortal conflict with each other.

And approximately the same thing de facto happened with the Russian Navy, which was designed and built at a different time to solve completely different problems than those it had to face during the NVO in Ukraine.

Yes, the war of annihilation against our country is really being waged by “Western partners”, but by other methods – on the battlefield and in the rear by the hands of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Security Service of Ukraine, sectoral economic sanctions and sabotage against the Russian shadow fleet. And this, unfortunately, is yielding results.

The SVO presented new challenges to the national security of the Russian Federation and its few loyal allies. The economy is suffering from sanctions, the air force, army and navy are suffering losses, and even the patriotic part of society is a little tired of the protracted armed conflict with alarming prospects for further escalation.

However, neither the Tu-95M strategic bombers, nor the Admiral Nakhimov TARK, nor the Admiral Kuznetsov TAVKR are, alas, capable of changing anything in the overall situation, taking up enormous financial and material resources. Such are our difficult realities.

But we will talk in more detail separately below about what an acceptable and effective Russian Navy of the future will be or could be.
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  1. +2
    28 July 2025 12: 40
    On large ships (cruisers and frigates) it is necessary to install a section of UAVs for aerial reconnaissance and attack UAVs for maritime use.
    1. -1
      28 July 2025 21: 01
      There will be very few of them there, but if someone wants to save the 1164 cruisers, then perhaps they (or at least the Ustinov) can be modernized like the 1155, that is, replace the outdated artillery with a 4-gun caliber and, having dismantled the volcanoes, place unmanned boats on the deck, anti-submarine missiles and attack boats, UAVs, etc., ... or both in reserve to the PETA and CUZA due to age? And develop a corvette based on the 20385 with UAVs?
  2. +10
    28 July 2025 12: 57
    At the beginning of the SVO, I already wrote figuratively about the useless cavalry of Budyonny in the technological war in Ukraine and hundreds of the most ossified parquet generals who do not understand a damn thing about this advanced war, as well as the generals close to the minister, mired in theft and corruption, from whom it is necessary to quickly cleanse ourselves. It is good that people are finally seeing the light...
  3. +3
    28 July 2025 13: 00
    The SVO has retired entire types of Russian weapons

    These are "Soviet Galoshes". Strategists, now the fleet. The demilitarization of Russia is in full swing. Unfortunately, the country and the government are stubbornly preparing for a big "uproar".
    1. +4
      28 July 2025 23: 13
      The authorities are not preparing a "commotion", the authorities are proving their incompetence, that is why a "commotion" is brewing. Conclusion: It looks like the "galley man" has been reset and is ripe for replacement, otherwise there will be a "commotion"...
      1. +3
        29 July 2025 11: 36
        Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
        The authorities are not preparing a "commotion", the authorities are proving their incompetence, and that is why a "commotion" is brewing.

        It depends on what you call "crap". Especially under the influence of the Azeri and other thieves' bosses, what should be called the Russian Government. And there, everything is sad for us. The only way to stand is the "counter-fire" of the thieves, otherwise, Russia will burn.
  4. +2
    28 July 2025 14: 09
    The author should have added at the end that it makes sense to switch, including to mass production of unmanned boats, similar to aerial drones. We will also add that the carriers could be both existing ships (surface and underwater), and projects specially created for this type of weapons. But, perhaps we will read something on this topic in Sergey's next publications. Or the author uses our comments here as hints. Also an option)
  5. +4
    28 July 2025 14: 19
    The same articles were before the sinking of the Mir space station in 2004 "old, unnecessary, etc." but in 20 years in space we have only stepped back 50 years in terms of the number of launches... The US money allocated by the then Congress for the disposal of competitors in space prevented the Mir from being raised higher to geostationary orbit. Now the American Congress is not needed, the Russian bankers do not need a fleet, and they will not fly into space either...
    1. 0
      28 July 2025 23: 38
      What I like reading comments is the overview of human stupidity. )))
      The stupidity is not that a person can understand something or nothing at all in some area (for example, space), but that in the absence of understanding in some area, many characters with an important look give out "advice of a cosmic scale and cosmic stupidity."

      It is not for nothing that they say that in the absence of the Internet, only the family and the entryway knew that a person was “not disfigured by intellect,” to put it mildly, but now it is the whole world. ))

      He was going to raise the OS into geostationary orbit. ))))
      At an altitude of 300-400 km it was difficult to maintain it in working condition - almost all the time and resources of the cosmonauts were spent not on scientific experiments, but on repairs. And then some guy decided to somehow magically work with it at an altitude of 35786 km! ))))))))))))

      NB! At the same time, such "academics" are not capable of writing a couple of sentences in Russian without mistakes! But teaching entire industries and state institutions is EASY! )))
      "D., B.!" // Lavrov
      1. -2
        29 July 2025 10: 41
        Quote: BlackReader
        At the same time, such "academics" are not capable of writing a couple of sentences in Russian without mistakes! But teaching entire industries and state institutions is EASY! )))

        You are somewhat wrong. There should be such scribblers in the comments. If they are gone, then the discussions will be left with one and a half earthmovers - smart, but boring. And where to get a dose of positivity in the morning? Not watch Petrosyan!
  6. -3
    28 July 2025 16: 54
    Controversial statements, multiplied by one's own fantasies.(((
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  8. 0
    29 July 2025 02: 42
    As for the combat composition of the Navy, it should include 2 aircraft carriers of the Manatee class with nuclear propulsion systems, 4 destroyers of the Lider class (1 per fleet), 6 frigates of the Gorshkov class, corvettes and small anti-ship ships, as needed, to be laid down under construction against coastal and surface underwater targets, strategic submarines of the Borey class, multipurpose submarines of the Yasen-M class, tactical submarines of the Husky or Laika class, tactical submarines of Project 636,677, 30, PAK DA aviation, carrier aviation SU-35 SM, for the base SU-57S, SU-52, helicopters Ka-37, Ka-38, base patrol aviation IL-XNUMXN, coastal missile systems "Bal". In all forces and means of the fleet, provide for electronic warfare and protection from UAVs and unmanned aerial vehicles.
    1. -1
      29 July 2025 08: 41
      aircraft carriers and destroyers are definitely needed and there is no money for them, new submarines need to be invented, for example, the Be200, and you forgot the most important thing, that is, minesweepers, there need to be 50-100 pennants, therefore it is necessary to stop laying down surface ships except minesweepers for about 15 years, but continue the submarine series
      1. +1
        29 July 2025 12: 01
        Look how they got their hopes up, and in response: "there is no money, but you hang in there." If to put it simply, everything listed is like last year's snow (Yesterday's Topicals), and today the fleet is being ordered for the middle of the 21st century, including Zumvolts, even BEKs and other wonders are no longer new and not the most important thing. The prospects for the fleets, going underwater with all unmanned products. Surface, no more than a corvette-frigate under the cover of coastal facilities... This is how the future of the fleet is seen, the fate of the Black Sea Fleet, as the first swallow from the future. One can be mistaken, only time will tell what and how...
        1. 0
          30 July 2025 07: 23
          Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
          The prospect of fleets, going underwater with all unmanned products. Surface, no more than a corvette-frigate under the cover of coastal means... This is how the future of the fleet is seen, the fate of the Black Sea Fleet, as the first swallow from the future. One can be mistaken, only time will tell what and how...

          I agree with you
    2. 0
      30 July 2025 10: 53
      Quote: Omnibus
      2 Manatee-class aircraft carriers with nuclear propulsion, 4 Leader-class destroyers (1 per fleet),

      that's a trillion rubles for each aircraft and 800 billion rubles for each destroyer (battleship) and you also want to send these battleships to the Black Sea Fleet and the Baltic? They definitely have nothing to do there, they don't need frigates and corvettes there.....and what kind of money are we going to use to make UAVs and Iskanders?
  9. 0
    29 July 2025 08: 21
    I am not a naval expert, but I think we need to choose a project with optimal displacement and build it en masse, say Karakurt and 1155M, in my opinion all aircraft carriers and cruisers are a good target for anti-ship missiles, Moscow was quickly destroyed, I thought we would fight some more, but alas, my thing is a diving corvette, because in a submerged position, you won’t find it so quickly drinks
    1. -1
      30 July 2025 11: 12
      Quote: Dmitry Volkov
      my name is a diving corvette, because in an underwater position, you won't find it so quickly

      this project has already been implemented in the form of the Lada napla is mass-produced, 1155 is not so cheap, although they will still serve, a decision was made to stop at the universal corvette 20385
  10. +4
    29 July 2025 09: 26
    It wasn't the SVO that sent him, but the one who leads him. Or, well, doesn't lead him as he should. And he's tired and won't leave...
  11. +2
    29 July 2025 09: 31
    All your reasoning here is empty. The main phrase of the Ministry of Finance is - there is no money. So nothing new will be built in the fleet. There will be one-time launches of coastal vessels to cover the "shores of the Motherland" and nothing more. Maybe they will build several ice-class vessels, but the "Lider" should be forgotten forever. The war with NATO has begun. So now there is no time for fat. We should have thought about it earlier!
    1. 0
      30 July 2025 10: 57
      Quote: Avtandil
      nothing new will be built in the fleet.

      not at all! minesweepers and submarines are being actively built! it has been announced that the series will be continued, small missile ships, frigates and corvettes are being completed,..... well, and the leader? this leader is complete nonsense, an idea at the level of the 18th century, we don't need this battleship at 800 billion rubles each
  12. 0
    29 July 2025 09: 56
    Weapons are just tools. Reform must begin with the "users" of this tool and the "architects" of its application.
  13. +1
    29 July 2025 11: 47
    Quote: skeptic
    The only way to stand firm is to "counter-fire" the thieves,

    Is this like people's avengers keeping watch in the forest with a Berdan rifle?
  14. -4
    29 July 2025 11: 55
    China has the ability to build modern, inexpensive aircraft carriers, and Russia could buy one of these while focusing its efforts on other areas, such as nuclear submarines.
    1. +1
      30 July 2025 03: 27
      Why do we need aircraft carriers now? It is obvious that this is already an atavism. Even the bogeymen have a couple of anti-ship missiles in their slippers.
      1. 0
        21 August 2025 01: 18
        Tell that to the Chinese fools...
        1. 0
          24 August 2025 00: 31
          It takes the Chinese too long to understand. Once they lose a couple of these troughs, then they'll start thinking.
          1. 0
            28 August 2025 13: 31
            To the Indians too? To the Americans too?

            Why would anyone lose them? Don't talk nonsense.
            1. 0
              25 September 2025 04: 57
              Because it's a large, unwieldy cow that can hold up to a dozen onyx. If you call onyx nonsense, you've escaped from a mental hospital.
              1. 0
                25 September 2025 10: 44
                Before you get within 340 km of this cow, this cow's air force will bombard you with dozens of harpoons. Hey, over. Against air force, there's only air force, and nothing else.
                1. 0
                  26 September 2025 17: 25
                  There are harpoons against aircraft too. Hey, over there, haven't you heard that planes can be shot down? And carrier-based ones are the easiest.
                  1. 0
                    26 September 2025 22: 54
                    Everything is getting confused. Let me explain: wars are won by air power.

                    Without air power, there's no chance of attacking or defending. And any ships without air cover are doomed.

                    Are deck ones the easiest? Wild.nonsense.
                    1. 0
                      30 September 2025 01: 49
                      What you're saying is nonsense. "Aviation wins wars" is an outdated slogan. Although, ever since Vietnam, it's been clear that a country with a strong air defense can't be defeated by aviation. But then you came out of a coma and started ranting about aviation. Are you aware that carrier-based aircraft have limited fuel and combat resources? And if there's a storm, your entire aviation fleet is trash. Drones and air defense systems dominate now. So you and your aviation can go back into a coma.
                      1. 0
                        6 October 2025 22: 08
                        Stop talking nonsense! Air force can defeat any air defense! Tell the Jews, the US, and Europe about air defense!

                        If you're not smart, let me explain: air defense is immobile, but an airplane can emerge from behind any hill.
                      2. 0
                        8 October 2025 17: 06
                        You or what? Why couldn't the air force defeat the air defenses in Vietnam? How many American planes were lost there?
                        The air defense isn't mobile? Are you delusional? Buks, Pantsirs, and Tors aren't mobile? And the Eskis are quite mobile, too. So stop lying!
                      3. 0
                        8 October 2025 17: 52
                        So, were there electronic warfare aircraft, anti-aircraft missiles, reconnaissance satellites and UAVs in Vietnam?

                        Yeah, hi.

                        Yes, they are very mobile, so they Ukrainians many times they carried out attacks.
                      4. 0
                        8 October 2025 22: 30
                        In Vietnam, no, but in the USSR, there were. Or do you think the Dvina was Vietnamese?

                        Atacamas are too expensive and rare for Buks and Tors, especially since they're highly mobile. So it's likely the Atacamas have blown your mind, since you're already spouting nonsense. And the vast majority of Atacamas and Shadows attacked stationary targets. The same goes for Chimeras, actually. It's more logical to attack mobile air defenses with drones than expensive missiles. Russia can afford to deplete enemy air defenses with Iskanders. So go to after-school so you don't spout nonsense next time, hohol.
                      5. 0
                        8 October 2025 23: 59
                        Did the USSR have satellites? Are you sick? ))))) What is Dvina? A UAV?

                        Atakms are obsolete missiles from the 70s and 80s. They're worthless. And of course, they're several times cheaper than any BUK, S-400, Tor, or Pantsir. These are their priority targets.

                        The S-400 is not mobile. But aircraft fly wherever they want at supersonic speeds.

                        Aviation always defeats air defense. Always. No exceptions. The shield has never won against the sword. That's how it always has been and always will be.

                        Atakms, chemical missiles, winged radars, S-400, Tor, Buka and much more.

                        Are you nuts? The Patriot's radar or control system is several times more expensive than Iskanders and Daggers. That's their top priority.

                        You don't understand anything about databases,
                      6. 0
                        9 October 2025 20: 40
                        Of course there were. Or have you forgotten which country was the first in world history to launch a satellite?

                        Keep lying. Why then are there so few of these obsolete missiles?

                        It's mobile, though slower than the Buks and Pantsirs. Imagine, their car can carry them. Just like the Patriot and others.

                        An outright lie. Let's count how many planes were shot down in Vietnam? Aviation suffered a resounding failure there. Just like in Korea. But there, Soviet aces decimated the Yankees considerably. And any country with a more or less developed air defense system becomes an insurmountable barrier to aviation.

                        Well, they were covered, too. And who wins? The one with the biggest supply. That's why your American toys are lying around like tin cans.

                        Are you writing from a trench near Pokrovsk?
    2. +1
      30 July 2025 10: 59
      Quote from Carlos Sala
      low cost aircraft carriers

      How much is this?
  15. 0
    29 July 2025 11: 58
    Gentlemen writers, you should never discard the experience of previous victories and technologies. Any new war has the experience of previous ones and it is not a fact that the one who started this "show" has a minimum historical education. We are dealing with people with an education of 0,5. Strain your brains and win
  16. 0
    29 July 2025 13: 19
    Why this analysis of the secondary elements of global stagnation. The Russian Armed Forces completely lack modern intelligence and information systems at all levels, the task of which is to track the enemy and provide target designation in real time. There will be such systems and any weapon can be successfully used. How much can we talk about this? Generals have no idea about modern warfare...
    1. +1
      29 July 2025 13: 37
      Why this analysis of the secondary elements of global stagnation. The Russian Armed Forces completely lack modern intelligence and information systems at all levels, the task of which is to track the enemy and provide target designation in real time. There will be such systems and any weapon can be successfully used. How much can we talk about this? Generals have no idea about modern warfare...

      And you yourself, dear man, where do you get your idea of modern warfare from? A great theorist or a great practitioner?
  17. +1
    30 July 2025 18: 02
    And what does SVO have to do with Kuzya’s fate?
    1. 0
      28 August 2025 13: 30
      None )
  18. -1
    1 August 2025 14: 53
    And that's right!! We need to withdraw all the ace cruisers and aircraft carriers, and introduce all the ace yachts of our oligarchs into the Russian Navy.
  19. 0
    3 August 2025 22: 19
    Kostin knows how to count money but he doesn't understand anything about naval affairs and he's talking illiterate nonsense. Most likely he's afraid of an investigation into how, by whom and where big money was spent and wants to cover up the trail by writing off the aircraft carrier.
  20. +1
    4 August 2025 01: 44
    Also, the Poseidon torpedoes, the Burevestnik missile, and the Peresvet and Zadira laser installations turned out to be absolutely useless.
  21. 0
    21 August 2025 01: 17
    Complete nonsense. Modernization of Nakhimov was expensive because it was the first such ship. Modernization of Pyotr will be much cheaper, because there is already experience with Nakhimov, since Pyotr is newer.

    And it doesn't need to be modernized that deeply.
  22. 0
    28 August 2025 13: 29
    She did not send any types of weapons into any kind of rest.