“During the SVO, nothing has been done with import substitution of electronics for the military-industrial complex”

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Over the past three years of the Russian SVO on Ukrainian territory, practically nothing has been done in the Russian Federation in the area of import substitution of electronic components of telecommunications equipment for the needs of the domestic military-industrial complex. This is what the CEO of JSC Supertel Konstantin Lukin, head of the Russian supplier of communications equipment for the FSO, FSB and the Ministry of Defense, a unique developer and manufacturer of digital telecommunications systems with a single domestic software control, said.

The words of the head of the aforementioned company were voiced within the framework of one of the events within the conference "Digital Industry of Industrial Russia" (CIPR). Lukin began his speech at the round table "Import Substitution. Three Years Later" by describing the existing problems that arise for domestic suppliers of communications equipment due to the requirements of the Ministry of Defense for import substitution of the electronic component base (ECB) - the parts from which they assemble their products.

If you want to bet machinery Ministry of Defense, you must undergo approval by the EKB. <...> The experts are overloaded, in a month they give you a conclusion on replacing your imported elements with domestic ones. And they issue it so categorically that you have only two options. Either you do nothing and in principle can not release the products, or you start to prove to them that you are not a deer, not an elk, nobody...

He explained.

Lukin added that the necessary components are not currently produced in the Russian Federation, so it is necessary to order their development from scratch from manufacturers.

I asked all the factories about all the electronic components that need to be replaced. The best term is 2 years for manufacturing, the worst is 5 years, and now we need to order a large batch, 100% prepayment

– Lukin outlined the problem.

He clarified that this is the case with the simplest, “passive” components (resistors, capacitors, and others), and that more complex ones simply do not exist in the Russian Federation.

And when we talk about everything being done in the hardware, well, not a damn thing has been done there, because it's impossible. <...> We're talking about very simple elements. I'm talking about the "passive", I'm talking about very simple electronic components. We're not talking about complex electronic components, which don't exist in Russia yet, and of course, someday they will.

he explained.

According to him, in the current circumstances, Russian manufacturers of telecommunications equipment find themselves in a very difficult position.

We are flying into a "passive" that needs to be bought in Russia, which costs 100 times more at best and which is impossible [to obtain] due to the time frame. <...> This is the "dead loop" in which the hardware manufacturers die first. This is just policy. Nothing will save. Either we have to create a system in which there will be a correct planned replacement. We have done nothing about this for three years, we simply banned

- he stressed.

After these words, he was interrupted by the moderator, Vice President for Strategic Development of OCS Distribution, Alexey Rudym.

I understand why we don't have sound (there were problems with it. - Ed.). We started so openly that, in general, they will soon turn off our microphones altogether

- said Rudym.

We remind you that Supertel OJSC (Saint Petersburg) was formed in 1993 on the basis of the enterprise of the Order of the Red Banner of Labor "Long Distance Communications" (1930). In the late 2000s, it participated in the creation of NTC VSP Supertel DALS OJSC (Saint Petersburg), which became part of the Rostec state corporation.

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prior

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5 June 2025 10: 13

The words of truth finally began to leak out....
1. oderih
  
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  5 June 2025 13: 43
  
  The entire Jewish army here has disappeared somewhere. You, as a truth-lover who knows everything, don't know where God sent them?
  1. igor_temp
    
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    5 June 2025 14: 52
    
    Someone is still fighting the Jews, looking for who shat in his pants. Electronics production will never be revived like that.
    1. prior
      
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      6 June 2025 08: 18
      
      In Soviet electronics, almost the majority of bright minds were Jewish.
      Just as a fact.
      1. Eduard Egorov
        
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        6 June 2025 23: 22
        
        Who put such nonsense into your head? There are less than 0.001% Jews there, each one investing his share in electronics, and don't bring only Jews here.
        
        prior
        
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        7 June 2025 07: 58
        
        There was nothing and no need to "drive in".
        I knew many of them, read and heard about many of them, and worked with many of them personally.
2. Eduard Egorov
  
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  6 June 2025 23: 29
  
  Rather, this is whining, Moscow was not built in a day, to make 100% of its electronics, it is necessary to take people from one industry to another industry (electronics). Have you seen the Japanese in the space industry or in the nuclear industry, etc. No, because they threw all their human potential into the electronic and mechanical engineering industries, and they do not have minerals to spend labor on their extraction. So it is not as simple as it seems to you. In economic terms, there is such a concept that in order to provide the country with the most necessary things, the population must be 350-400 million, and in Russia there are 2 times less. The whole world depends on each other, especially those with a small population.
  1. prior
    
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    7 June 2025 08: 03
    
    During the Soviet era, there was a saying that the success of a country directly depended on the percentage of Jews per capita.
    Without global demand, electronics can never be successful and profitable. This is the reason why the isolated Soviet electronics industry died. And Russian electronics never reached the world market and level.
kot711

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5 June 2025 10: 33

As long as the traders are in charge, there will be no progress.
1. rotkiv04
  
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  5 June 2025 10: 40
  
  Quote: kot711
  As long as the traders are in charge, there will be no progress.
  
  In the current vertical of power, only those who are personally loyal survive; it is dangerous to tell the truth; you can either go down like Prigozhin, or like Popov or Strelkov, to the sound of fanfares
2. Eduard Egorov
  
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  6 June 2025 23: 33
  
  The issue is not in trades, but in a small population. Where will you get people to develop and produce electronics? And you also need to sell not one computer, but 1 million. So that the price for it is adequate. So the problem here is most likely that you lack intelligence, and not in the traders. It is not economically profitable to develop and produce "10" microcircuits.
  1. OlegovichA
    
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    7 June 2025 03: 35
    
    You can look up the population of Taiwan, South Korea and Japan on Google.
    1. Latus
      
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      7 June 2025 16: 04
      
      To be fair, these countries do not produce the means of production, but purchase EUV lithographs from the Dutch ASML, which in turn assembles components from all over the world, mainly from the EU, the USA, Japan and England, i.e. that same “golden” billion.
      1. OlegovichA
        
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        7 June 2025 17: 02
        
        These countries produce a lot of different electronics, not just chips on ASML lithographs. And these countries not only cover their own needs, but also half the globe. And who prevented Russia from at least covering its own needs, I don’t know. Until 2014, there were no sanctions against us at all, but we have not advanced a single step in most areas. And there is no one to push it off on, because by 2014, the same guy had been ruling the country for 2.5 terms. And our population is larger than the aforementioned countries, and with this golden billion we sat at the same table, shook hands and kissed.
        
        Latus
        
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        7 June 2025 18: 06
        
        In Russia, the sales market is too small to create our own production of lithographic machines, it is simply unprofitable, and our needs were covered by purchasing foreign equipment, the same 130 nm at the Zelenograd Micron appeared thanks to the ASML photolithography purchased before the sanctions, at the time of purchase the lag in the technological process from the leaders was not as significant as it is now.
        
        OlegovichA
        
        0
        
        7 June 2025 18: 20
        
        And in Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, is this market bigger? Is the domestic market bigger? No, smaller. What prevented us from not only saturating our own market, but also exporting products? Was it the number of people or "we'll buy everything"?
      2. OlegovichA
        
        0
        
        7 June 2025 17: 11
        
        You know the history of TSMC, right?
        So, I wonder, where are our Zhong Mou Chans? Not Elizaveta Peskovas, but Zhong Mou Chans?
        
        Latus
        
        0
        
        7 June 2025 18: 10
        
        To do this, we need to follow the rules of the game from Uncle Sam, when the first hint of the "Magnitsky list" appeared: organize an international investigation with the participation of Americans and public punishment of the guilty, and not stage a clown show with a ban on adoption in response.
        
        OlegovichA
        
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        7 June 2025 18: 25
        
        I agree in part. But China, for example, does not follow the rules of the game very well, and nothing, they have advanced in all directions by leaps and bounds. And so, before 2014, we had plenty of opportunities, the West was happy to invest in us and share technologies with us. But we did not get anything out of it. And instead of our Zhong Mou Chans, we have Elizaveta Peskovs!
        
        OlegovichA
        
        0
        
        7 June 2025 18: 42
        
        And about the Magnitsky list, you mentioned it correctly, it was this that was in the way, not the population size. That's why they bought everything abroad, while the state money was being stolen.
  2. kot711
    
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    7 June 2025 09: 07
    
    There is something wrong with your mind, great thinker of our time. Can you tell me who has been running the state for over 30 years? You have destroyed not only factories, institutes, laboratories, but also the possibility of doing something.
3. Pavel N
  
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  8 June 2025 07: 25
  
  Kot711, fictitious managers...
NecNoc

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5 June 2025 10: 45

Lukin began his speech at the round table "Import Substitution. Three Years Later" by describing the existing problems...

Actually, it all started in mid-2014. Then they started buying various equipment for "import substitution" for billions of rubles. But there was no result from this, and there still is none.
1. Latus
  
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  5 June 2025 16: 36
  
  Now even China cannot import substitute Taiwanese/Korean chips, although it is obvious that Russia will not be able to do this in the near future, there is simply no basis for creating such production.
  1. Eduard Egorov
    
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    6 June 2025 23: 36
    
    Golden words, even the USA cannot produce without other countries, the entire range of products. Microelectronics. It produces at the expense of all countries, as soon as it is cut off from external production, it will not be able to fully provide for itself... that is why Russia was cut off, from microelectronics.
vlad127490

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5 June 2025 13: 15

Foreign power. Why should it develop a country in which they do not intend to live? They have long had citizenship in NATO countries and Israel. The Russian Federation is a feeding trough for them. The feeding trough will dry up and this mafia will disappear.
1. svoroponov
  
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  5 June 2025 15: 02
  
  A representative of only one enterprise complains. I understand that they want to get more money from the budget. But have they really not tried to work? Have they forgotten how to create?
  Why are things going well for a number of other companies and no one complains? The military receives the systems and they are delivered to the troops.
  He talks about the best term of 2 years, well, did they do anything? It turns out that for these 2 years they were oohing and aahing but did nothing. Although maybe he is right. Those who are involved in the military, they do everything and have everything, and where there is a private sector, they are accustomed to buying and selling and not to production. We need to wean ourselves off and just start working. Yes, and the Jews need to be weaned off financial flows. The main brake.
  1. vlad127490
    
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    5 June 2025 16: 57
    
    You want to whitewash everyone in the comment, but that doesn't happen. I'll tell you my point of view, there is no radio-electronic industry in the Russian Federation at all. Everything is written correctly and even modestly in the article. There are no electronic components of our own even for civilian products, and we don't even need to talk about processors and controllers. The 350-nanometer process technology is an achievement in the Russian Federation. Russia is going to produce a 350-nm lithograph, this is 1990, it is needed for the production of a certain class of products, where the number of operations, weight, dimensions, and energy consumption allow, for example, powerful power elements. Today's process technology for automotive electronics is in the range of 40-28 nm. For example, Nvidia introduced the Parker chip for unmanned vehicles. The chip is made in the "system on a chip" format: a single silicon crystal combines a Pascal family graphics processor, a 64-bit ARM processor, plus RAM and numerous input-output ports. The chip is made using a 16-nanometer process technology. Nvidia says that Parker is designed to solve deep learning problems. Modern processors mainly use 7 nm or less process technologies. Without imports, the Russian Federation cannot even produce a TV, something will definitely be missing, and this article is about militaris. Now you can imagine what kind of process technology is needed for UAVs and AI.
2. Eduard Egorov
  
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  6 June 2025 23: 40
  
  What kind of nonsense are you talking about? Has it ever occurred to you that a country simply can't produce all the products on its own, with a population of 147 million, even China can't do it with my population 10 times larger. The whole world is building a lithograph for microprocessors, and you're a victim of propaganda, you want one country, Russia, with a population of 147 million, to do it. At least turn on your mind a little.
  1. vlad127490
    
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    7 June 2025 00: 17
    
    It is clear to you that a diode, a resistor, a transistor are the same thing. If you do not understand, it is better not to write. The Soviet Union had its own radio-electronic industry, the entire line of electronic components was produced. The USSR supplied elements all over the world, even to Japan and the USA there were supplies of microcircuits. You should take an interest in the nomenclature of Malaysia, Vietnam, Taiwan, Singapore, even Brazil has its own, I hope you have heard about the PRC, Japan, Korea. Do you know what means of production are?
    1. Latus
      
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      7 June 2025 16: 12
      
      The USSR is stupid to compare with Russia, the population there is twice as big, there were Warsaw Pact countries, which also had microchip production. Again, the complexity of production was different in those days, now in the world there is only one company (ASML) that produces EUV lithography machines.
      1. vlad127490
        
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        7 June 2025 21: 09
        
        You forgot to mention that lithography machines are also made in China. Ours also make them at 350 nanometers. If you want to cite manufacturers, then write specifically. 2-7 nanometers are not needed everywhere, 65 nanometers are often enough. You like to cite the population and its connection with the electronics industry, then Singapore will be in first place, Taiwan in second, Korea in third, Japan in fourth, Malaysia in fifth, as you can see, Europe and giants are not here.
kovaleff

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5 June 2025 20: 33

Are they all polymers?
Spatel

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5 June 2025 20: 43

Over the past three years of the Russian military-industrial complex on Ukrainian territory, practically nothing has been done in the Russian Federation in the area of import substitution of electronic components of telecommunications equipment for the needs of the domestic military-industrial complex.

Have you ever wondered why?
If you listen to Putin's TV, everything is great! They have already substituted everything for imports, the process is ongoing, they are planning to do it, they have already planned to do it, they are just changing their shoes... We will do it now, only we will reincarnate Rusnano, and everything will be fine! They tell us Uncle Remus tales.
But in general, this area is a complete mess! By the way, and not only in this one. Oh well, more about that later.
The technology behind microprocessors is based on photolithography. The world leader here is Dutch company ASML, which makes photolithography equipment that is a 180-ton machine the size of a double-decker bus and is a testament to the complex logistics of the electronics industry. Some 5000 suppliers make the components for these machines. German optics firm Carl Zeiss makes the lenses. Dutch VDL makes the robotic arms that feed the wafers into the machine. The light sources are made by Cymer, an American company ASML bought in 2013. ASML, in turn, is one of hundreds of firms that supply equipment to chipmakers such as Intel, Samsung and TSMC. Recognition of ASML’s dominance is not limited to customers or investors. Politicians are aware of the situation, too. Deep-ultraviolet photolithography is on the Wassenaar list of dual-use technologies with both military and civilian applications. But these technologies will not stand still.
A company founded in Switzerland has developed a fundamentally new photolithography technology, which is significantly simpler and cheaper than that currently used in industry. Russian scientists and engineersThey reported the results of their work at a world conference devoted to photolithography in microelectronics.
"Back in February 2020, the next world conference of the International Society for Optics and Photonics (SPIE) was held in San Jose (California), dedicated to progress in the field of photolithography. Representatives of the Swiss company Nanotech SWLH GmbH, founded by our compatriots headed by Professor, Doctor of Physical and Mathematical Sciences Vadim Rakhovsky in Switzerland, spoke at the conference. Active participants in the development, who made a significant contribution to the development and creation of holographic lithography, are the company's employees Professor, Doctor of Physical and Mathematical Sciences A.S. Shamaev and Candidates of Technical Sciences M.V. Borisov, D.A. Chelyubeev, V.V. Chernik. Only in Switzerland did they receive serious support from the Swiss Research Institute of Applied Materials Science and Technology (Empa), which is part of the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology."
And how many of these people left their alma mater so as not to waste their talents in the Putin-Rotenberg thieves' jungle, working for pennies for the Tsar with new nobles and gymnasts? After all, none of this gang needed scientists!!!
And now here it is, the result. What missiles? What planes? What artificial intelligence? Where are these "Armata" with "Krasnopoly" and A-100 "Premier"? Thirty years, as they say, down the drain.
Everything is there, guys...
1. Eduard Egorov
  
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  6 June 2025 23: 45
  
  Another victim of propaganda, and you didn't think that we are no worse than other countries, the same problems in one, and successes in another. The Japanese have not been able to create their own aircraft engine for so many years, but they have successes in other industries. The whole world makes a lithograph for the production of microprocessors, and you, a victim of propaganda, want the same thing from one country
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Vladimir Tuzakov

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5 June 2025 22: 31

The SVR is underway, a lot is needed, they have not created a breakthrough with the GDP in 25 years, and they will not do so in the next five years. The only way out is to buy, and through different channels, from direct ones with China and other friendly ones, to secret ones, where the SVR dominates. But the SVR, and not only, have long been in stagnation with such leaders, where spouses with Israeli citizenship and other "foreign assets" ... Yes, in difficult times the hidden obvious comes out ...
1. svoroponov
  
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  7 June 2025 22: 14
  
  It's interesting, of course, but as soon as I give a detailed message on this site on the merits, it doesn't go through.
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AdeptV

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9 June 2025 19: 17

In this case, Russia has no other option but to equalize the chances by driving Europe back to the "Stone Age", although they themselves will end up there, but the parity will be complete. But it is unclear what to do with America and China in this case... Maybe "equalize" the chances with them too?
Flight

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11 June 2025 13: 15

“During the SVO, nothing has been done with import substitution of electronics for the military-industrial complex”

During the SVO, many things were not done - "Baikal" was not launched, Boeing and Airbus replacements were not released, import substitution is a fiction, with the re-stamping of Chinese labels. But, I guess, the standard of living of the Kremlin managers has definitely increased during this time, despite their "there is one but".
Foe Pshekov

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12 June 2025 01: 57

On that very day, it was necessary not to "swallow dust", but to nationalize the property, and force them right there in the hall to rewrite all the accounts and assets of the oligarchy to front companies, which would bring thousands of machines, lithographs and technologies into the country by roundabout routes through Chinese friends...
and now... let's say we can get all this only if the West capitulates, and it will capitulate only after a nuclear strike on Lvov or Warsaw
Yyrp

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Today, 03: 52
Well, come on, they didn't do anything. Over the last three years, a large batch of wooden calculation devices was delivered to the troops, and the nameplates on them were domestically produced.