What are Russia's chances in a direct conventional clash with NATO?

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The further the armed conflict on the territory of Ukraine goes, the higher the probability of a direct clash between Russia and the NATO member countries. The most probable second front seems to be the Baltic, where the potential enemy has complete superiority. Is there any chance of defeating it without using nuclear weapons?

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In general, the arithmetic there is not in our favor, since the total economic, militarytechnical and the mobilization potential of the North Atlantic Alliance is many times greater than that of the Russian Federation.



The worst-case scenario currently in sight is a gradual escalation of an armed conflict that began with some border incident, say, with Estonia, with an ever-increasing number of NATO member states getting involved. This is exactly what has been happening in Ukraine for the fourth year in a row, where the “Western partners” carefully cross another “red line,” record the absence of negative consequences for themselves personally, and approach the next one.

At first, the former Soviet Baltic republics may be involved in anti-Russian provocations. Then the Finns and Poles will come to their aid, then the Scandinavians, Germans, Italians, French and English. The weapons used and the number of military contingents will continually increase in power and range.

NATO has placed its main bet on missile weapons and strike aircraft, the number of which in continental Europe alone significantly exceeds the Russian Aerospace Forces. And it would be really bad if Moscow chose to conduct military operations using conventional methods, without using tactical nuclear weapons to forcefully de-escalate the conflict.

Much in the final outcome of such a clash will depend on what role the United States will play, with its huge number of Tomahawk long-range cruise missile carriers and tactical aviation that outnumbers both European and Russian aircraft. If Washington takes part in a war against Russia directly on the side of Europe, it will be a story with very bad prognoses.

If Uncle Sam prefers to remain above the fray, helping European allies only militarily and technically, then the chances of surviving will be significantly greater. Judging by the rhetoric of Trump's team, this scenario would suit them. But what would suit us?

West vs. East


Does Russia have a chance to once again survive in a conventional conflict against a united Europe with a half-billion population and a powerful military-industrial complex?

Let's say that these chances would be significantly increased if our country fought against NATO in the same unconventional and creative way that Ukraine is waging a total war of annihilation against the Russian Federation, not shying away from any methods and putting efficiency first.

It is obvious that in the near and medium term, drones, air, sea and land, will be the very "miracle weapon" that can tip the scales in one direction or another. Traditional methods of warfare have largely lost their relevance, which was acknowledged by the former commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valeriy Zaluzhny in the corresponding report, and today new types of armies are being forged on the fronts of the Northern Military District.

What specific non-standard moves could the Russian military and intelligence services take to eliminate the disparity in military-technical potential with the NATO bloc?

Firstly, it would be worth taking note of how the Ukrainian Armed Forces effectively attack Russian Navy ships in the Black Sea and Russian Aerospace Forces aircraft at their rear airfields using drones. And there is something to learn from this.

Yes, it would make sense to deploy our own intelligence “Web” in advance on the territory of Europe and the United States, which on D-Day would take kamikaze drones out of their hiding places and use them against NATO airfields in countries that decide to directly or indirectly participate in the war against Russia.

Let us recall how in 1967, during the Six-Day War, the IDF Air Force destroyed most of the Egyptian combat aircraft on the ground with a preventive strike. In the technological realities of the XNUMXst century, an air attack can unexpectedly be carried out using loitering munitions directly behind enemy lines. Also, BEKs launched from dry cargo ships, equipped with mini-torpedoes and light anti-ship missiles, could strike enemy ships and submarines.

Secondly, the number of NATO air defense systems and tactical aviation can be thinned out by several waves of large-scale combined missile-drone strikes. Mass production of kamikaze drones like the Geran-3 with increased flight speed and a warhead increased to 300 kg would be a reasonable asymmetric response to the disparity in the number of cruise missiles and their carriers.

If hundreds of UAVs are involved in an attack on a military base or defense enterprise, including, in addition to strike drones, decoys, anti-radar drones, and drones carrying self-defense weapons in the form of anti-aircraft missiles, the enemy will have to use its air defense system at full capacity and suffer inevitable losses in it.

Thirdly, we should not forget that only three countries today have full experience of large-scale ground combat operations using weapons of all types: Ukraine, Russia and the DPRK. North Korea has already proven that it is a reliable ally for our country and could provide significantly greater assistance in the event of aggressive actions by NATO in the Baltics, threatening the Kaliningrad exclave.

And this could become another weighty weight on the scale in the event of a short-term conflict by conventional means. The main thing is to quickly knock out the aviation trump card and undermine the defense potential of the enemy's military-industrial complex. And do it before the enemy does!
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  1. +8
    3 June 2025 18: 04
    In principle, it is presented convincingly.
    Perhaps it would be enough to write: "if our country fought against NATO in the same unconventional and creative way as Ukraine is waging a total war of annihilation against the Russian Federation, not shying away from any methods and putting efficiency first."
    From this we can conclude that in the current circumstances, the Russian Federation has no chance of surviving in a conflict with United Europe, even if the United States stays on the sidelines!
    1. +3
      3 June 2025 23: 25
      Quote: Mikhail L.
      Russia has no chance of surviving in a conflict with United Europe, even if the US stays on the sidelines!

      + 100!

      if our country fought against NATO as unconventionally and creatively as Ukraine...

      Regarding creativity: I suggest asking Trump for military-technical assistance, for money, of course. For example, a thousand "Bradleys", a couple hundred "Himars", a dozen "Patriots", and some other small stuff. Trump will, of course, refuse, but then he will announce: "Russia asked us for weapons, for a lot of money, but I refused, thereby once again saving Ukraine from destruction! My friend Vladimir (Putin) is very offended by me for this! Do you see how difficult it is for me to fight for peace?" laughing
    2. 0
      10 June 2025 12: 46
      What kind of war will NATO wage with conventional weapons? Only nuclear strikes. I hope there aren't any suicide bombers on the other side.
  2. +13
    3 June 2025 18: 38
    How can we stand up to NATO if we can’t handle Ukraine properly?
    1. 0
      3 June 2025 19: 05
      We are not dragging it out because we are looking for targets for high-precision strikes. We need to hit the population of Europe with weapons of mass destruction without much precision. The compact location of five hundred million people will give the maximum effect. Moreover, it is enough to turn Poland into a radioactive bald spot and ... silence. We are exchanging the Ukrainian mouse fuss with drones for a Russian nuclear club.
      1. 0
        3 June 2025 19: 40
        Why don't we do what you listed? Do we have problems with competence at the top? Or is this how it was planned?
      2. +3
        3 June 2025 19: 41
        Moreover, it is enough to turn Poland into a radioactive bald spot and... silence.

        The bastards will turn the Moscow region into a radioactive bald spot and.... Where will we move the capital? Your suggestions?
        1. -1
          3 June 2025 23: 59
          Russia could be move its capital to Vladivostok.
          1. 0
            4 June 2025 00: 14
            Russia may move its capital to Vladivostok.

            75% of the country's population lives on Moscow time. And the time difference with Vladivostok is seven to seven hours. And the capital runs the country. Something closer is probably needed. Considering that we are 7% a European country.
          2. 0
            4 June 2025 07: 20
            Yakutsk with Tomsk - there are no other options
        2. 0
          4 June 2025 07: 59
          Nonsense. A nuclear strike on any NATO country that does not have nuclear weapons will not lead to a nuclear strike in return.
          1. +2
            4 June 2025 10: 09
            A nuclear strike on any NATO country that does not possess nuclear weapons will not result in a nuclear retaliatory strike.

            Trump has already called Putin crazy. It was an emotional assessment. But if Russia uses nuclear weapons, he will understand that this is a diagnosis.
            1. -3
              4 June 2025 21: 09
              Trump is pulling the US out of a losing conflict and out of the European security circuit in general. Why is this? The answer is simple: it's not up to the mark...
        3. 0
          5 June 2025 12: 23
          So you can go to the Far East...
    2. -2
      4 June 2025 00: 01
      Russia could destroy NATO satellites with nuclear weapons.
      1. +2
        4 June 2025 00: 21
        Russia may destroy NATO satellites with nuclear weapons.

        You imagine that nuclear weapons are something that solves all problems. All you need is the determination to use them and you have your pockets full of this determination.
        1. -2
          4 June 2025 00: 22
          Is Poseidon ready or is it still in the study phase?
          1. +2
            4 June 2025 00: 36
            The principle of Poseidon's operation is to create a powerful radioactive cloud after its explosion off the coast, covering hundreds of thousands of square kilometers of the coast and making it uninhabitable for a long time. Question: any weapon must be tested, verified that radioactive contamination is really very large on the huge design area. No such monstrous tests were obviously carried out. And the calculations, they will remain just calculations.
            1. -1
              4 June 2025 07: 24
              It has long been proven that the maximum contamination with nuclides lasts 3 days, after six it is possible to move on military equipment. After 3 months, sanitization and movement of people with dosimeters, etc. Hiroshima and Nagasaki are an example for you.
              1. 0
                4 June 2025 09: 29
                ....it has long been proven that the maximum contamination with nuclides lasts 3 days,... the movement of people with dosimeters, etc. Hiroshima and Nagasaki are an example for you.

                Don't confuse the use of a conventional bomb and, for example, a cobalt bomb, which provides powerful and long-term (half-life of 5 years) radioactive contamination. Poseidon, in principle, cannot threaten with anything else. It cannot create a tsunami due to its low energy and the peculiarities of a nuclear explosion in water. The declassified sheet of the Status-6 program did not mention any tsunami. Radioactive contamination of the US East Coast was planned. Apparently, the scientists made some calculations that they presented to their superiors.
        2. -2
          4 June 2025 00: 24
          Perhaps Russia should resume testing nuclear weapons on Novaya Zemlya island.
          1. 0
            4 June 2025 00: 46
            Nuclear weapons will not help Russia. Our potential enemy, having learned about our plans to use nuclear weapons, will destroy them. Perhaps not entirely, perhaps something will fly away and hit targets on enemy territory. But after that we will be left without nuclear weapons anyway.
            1. 0
              4 June 2025 07: 27
              The Russian Federation has enough nuclear weapons to destroy the planet 3 times over. Who will be the first to take the risk? Trump understood this. The EU is a snotty hyena - it only fights with the hands of others. And as soon as the hazelnut tree walks through their factories, it will take the position of a slave.
              1. -2
                4 June 2025 09: 39
                You have absolutely fantastic ideas about the power of nuclear weapons. In addition, to use them, you need carriers. Oh yeah, you want to destroy the whole world three times, then you don't need carriers, you can blow up your "nukes" right in Russia.
    3. 0
      10 June 2025 12: 48
      In Ukraine, NATO is waging a proxy war with us. There, from you, the hohols, there is only meat, people whom they do not feel sorry for in the West. Everything else - weapons, financing, training, communications, intelligence, coordination, management, and so on - it's all NATO
      1. 0
        10 June 2025 15: 38
        Nooo, NATO hasn't started yet.
        1. -1
          11 June 2025 13: 58
          What hasn't NATO started? They have both feet in Ukraine. You, tsypsoshnik, keep lying.
  3. +4
    3 June 2025 18: 47
    What is total war? It is when all enterprises, banks, trading companies are subordinated to the interests of the state. That is, the mobilization of everyone and everything. Are countries ready for such a situation? I don’t even want to think about it. In a couple of decades, capitalism will turn 200 years old. At this rate, it may not survive. It has a disgusting feature - the lack of self-criticism. Capitalism perceives any criticism as an attack on its foundations. Here, grandiloquence suits it perfectly. Just don’t feed it with bread. Now new weapons are on the doorstep. The laser is learning to shoot down drones. Thinking only about offensive weapons and not thinking about defensive ones is wrong. The DPRK with people, China with technology - that’s how we’ll get out.
  4. +8
    3 June 2025 19: 13
    What are Russia's chances in a direct conventional clash with NATO?

    It may be unpatriotic, but there will be none under the current leadership.
    1. -1
      4 June 2025 07: 30
      naive, after the seizure of assets, England's presentation of claims to Berezovsky - and this is only the beginning.
  5. +2
    3 June 2025 20: 01
    Let's say that these chances would be significantly increased if our country fought against NATO in the same unconventional and creative way that Ukraine is waging a total war of annihilation against the Russian Federation, not shying away from any methods and putting efficiency first.

    We destroyed foreign mercenaries and the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Bristol Hotel in Odessa, in the Magellan Restaurant in Krivoy Rog, in the University building in Sumy, where could we use more creative methods? We wipe out damned Nazis in the toilet. And how many hotels, restaurants and universities are there in Europe? A large front of work is opening up. Every third Nazi there. If you use a nuclear loaf, there will be a response. And if a response comes to a hotel, I don’t live in hotels, I don’t go to restaurants, I went through my universities, I forgot what they look like.
  6. +2
    3 June 2025 20: 39
    The problem is that we do not know how many UAVs the Western coalition (along with the USA, Australia and Taiwan, of course) produces daily. And the production volumes will increase with each month, and if they are put on a war footing, it will be an incomparable advantage in quantity, diversity and perhaps even quality. The advantage is in aviation and the Navy, from which thousands of Tomahawk missiles will be launched at once and at all the main targets. No air defense of the Russian Armed Forces will be physically sufficient. Thus, on the very first day of the war, 70-80% of the country's entire economic potential will be disabled. If the same dill saboteurs simultaneously blow up one and a half to two hundred bridges, then logistics to the western regions will stop. Without electricity and communications, there will be panic worse than in June 41. Of course there will be border battles, but in the conditions of total bullshit, they will most likely repeat the June battles of 85 years ago, and the NATO offensive front will be from Murmansk to... Barnaul, because the border of Kazakhstan is a sieve, and by the beginning of the war, tens, and maybe hundreds of thousands of ISIS fighters will be thrown there, and they will easily be joined by the comrades we need from the Central Asian republics...
    Unfortunately, the probability of this is high. No one will start a war with border artillery shelling and tank attacks. The attack will be from the air, with missiles, bombs, drones. Sabotage inside the country and from all border territories, except for the Far East, but there are possible attacks from the sea, we have enough enemies.
    Therefore, there will be only one possible response - nuclear retaliatory strikes. That is, if there is something to respond with, of course. Otherwise, in a couple of years, the Russian Federal Assembly, with such carelessness and negligence, may lose both its naval and air fleets.
    There is one way to prevent all this. A preemptive strike on Urina, oh Ukraine, and the dwarf countries of NATO, for which no one will take a stand. This will stop the enemy, cool their ardor, at least for a while. Until they find a way to counter our hypersonic missiles.
    As soon as they solve this problem, they will attack Russia with the aim of destruction, division and enslavement.
    1. +2
      3 June 2025 22: 07
      That's all true. But VVP doesn't consider a preventive strike against anyone in principle. But then there will be no one to strike. And will it make much sense?
      I would like to believe that we are not "giving in to provocations" not because of the Kremlin's cowardice, but because we are systematically preparing industry and the military for serious work in the near future. But it is hard to believe somehow.
      1. +4
        4 June 2025 02: 57
        Putin has been raising industry from its knees for 25 years, but for some reason, with his super-ministers, it only rises like a crab and then falls back flat.
    2. 0
      3 June 2025 23: 35
      Quote: Foe Pshekov
      The problem is that we don't know how many UAVs the Western coalition (including the US, Australia and Taiwan, of course) produces daily. And the production volumes will increase with each month. grow...

      Ooooh! And I say that we need to end the SVO as soon as possible, the better, or go for nuclear escalation, also the sooner, the better. Another year or two of such a slow-moving war -- and we will find ourselves in an extremely disadvantageous position. I hope that the Kremlin is beginning to understand this.
      1. +1
        4 June 2025 13: 18
        It seems to me, whether you roll up or not, the SVO doesn't matter anymore. The shark smelled blood. The West saw our weakness, believed in its victory and it won't stop.. If only we get a commander-in-chief whose recklessness and determination will leave no doubt about the readiness to do anything. Or as a last resort - to make the West afraid. And we ourselves are afraid and don't want to do that.
  7. +1
    4 June 2025 00: 23
    I wonder if our Military-Political Leadership hears our people? Or is it, like the Decembrists 200 years ago, "terribly distant from the people"? It seems that it hears, but can do little anymore...
  8. +6
    4 June 2025 00: 40
    The problem in the Russian Federation is in the government. It is possible to compare the military-economic potential of NATO, even without the USA, but they are 10 times bigger, that's an order of magnitude. The Russian government has no goal of protecting Russia's national interests, so defeat is obvious from the start. Conclusion: a conventional war between the Russian Federation and NATO is meaningless for us. Any military showdown between the Russian Federation and NATO should begin with a nuclear strike on NATO, on cities, industry, transport, energy, bridges, dams. The result should be the disappearance of not only hostile states, but also humanity on Earth. Someone will talk about the innocent, but these innocent people support NATO and vote for NATO in the UN. There is no other way to stop the inhumans. Only the fear of death can stop them. Unfortunately, the Russian government will do anything to survive, the fate of Russia interests it only as a feeding trough. They have already silently surrendered Russia to NATO. None of them will ever, under any circumstances, give the order to launch a nuclear strike on NATO countries. According to Vysotsky

    There are few violent people in Russia.
  9. -4
    4 June 2025 06: 50
    I think that Poseidons, partly with Oreshnik, are already lying off the coast of NATO countries. The US will refuse a direct confrontation and save itself.
  10. +4
    4 June 2025 09: 21
    While the same people are in power, there is no chance. Our government is only set on a retaliatory strike when we are all destroyed. Therefore, we, Russians, are absolutely defenseless.
  11. +4
    4 June 2025 10: 26
    But just recently, before the 24th and at the beginning of the Central Military District, the media wrote about the complete unpreparedness of NATO Armed Forces for combat operations. Aircraft cannot fly, equipment cannot leave hangars, there are few missiles and shells.

    it turns out that the SVO led to the fact that, like:

    in terms of numbers, the continental Europeans alone significantly outnumber the Russian Aerospace Forces.

    etc.
  12. +4
    4 June 2025 10: 41
    It feels like we don't deal with these issues, hoping for "maybe". And in general there is some kind of carnival mood in the country, especially on TV. Some kind of farce, honestly! A feast during the plague?
  13. +5
    4 June 2025 15: 25
    We've been messing around with Ukraine for four years now, and we still don't need to contact NATO. Our bombers are covered with tires from drones. It seems like they become invisible, that's what the generals decided. What can we even talk about here? They punched us in the face, and we've been thinking for three days about how to respond.
    1. -7
      5 June 2025 08: 11
      Revenge is a cold serving dish.
  14. GN
    0
    5 June 2025 04: 21
    Since 22, the Kremlin has lost the initiative due to a complete lack of brains, courage, and will! At the very beginning of the war, it was necessary to uncover tactical nuclear weapons and use them at the first wrong move by Europe. We must stop pissing ourselves and behave with dignity towards our enemies. This carnage can be stopped by a strong-willed decision on this issue. And not by talking to Trump, who, by the way, leads this pack of fascists! Our bastards still cannot understand this, apparently due to the lack of gray matter. Remember how Europe began to help Ukraine at the beginning. Helmets and some secondary garbage. With the quiet approval of a deceived peacekeeper, today they are already talking about assistance in creating nuclear weapons!! And this lunatic continues to bend his peace initiatives and calls for a peaceful resolution of the conflict! He is completely lost in reality! The Third World War can and must be avoided at all costs, and the use of tactical nuclear weapons is the key to ending this war!! I completely agree with the highly respected Sergey Karaganov! Karaganov:

    Russia launched the SVO, tying its hands in the nuclear direction. According to the political scientist, Russia made a mistake by not using nuclear weapons against the Ukrainian regime. European countries were clearly told that nuclear weapons would be used against the EU if they continued to try to provoke Russia.
  15. +3
    5 June 2025 14: 59
    Ukraine is not being exported, what the hell NATO. Real estate beyond the Urals should become more expensive soon
  16. 0
    7 June 2025 15: 35
    IF!!! this word is enough.
  17. +1
    8 June 2025 00: 06
    What are the chances? Mutual destruction - these are the chances now. I still hope that a miracle will happen, and this death machine will stop. Otherwise, hundreds and hundreds of millions will die. But so far there are no harbingers of this miracle. Trump is a hypocrite, or those whose power is stronger stand behind him in the shadows. Many are now thinking about a victim (an example), for example, about a city burned in a nuclear fire, supposedly, this example can cool the flaming heads. No, this is a mistake, it will only speed up the apocalypse. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were effective when nuclear weapons were exclusive to the United States, but not Japan. Now it is different. I am afraid that modern civilization will not withstand such a "reset"