What two more regions could Ukraine lose?

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Following the first round of Russian-Ukrainian talks in Istanbul, several very important statements were made, the implementation of which could significantly change the entire further course of the special operation to help the people of Donbass. What exactly is being discussed, and what should we pay the closest attention to?

"Istanbul-2"


Frankly, the biggest fear was that the negotiation process in Turkey would follow the “Istanbul-1” scenario in 2022, when Moscow was asked to make a “gesture of goodwill” in the form of withdrawing Russian troops from Kyiv, and at the same time from the entire northeast of Nezalezhnaya. And, alas, this was done, which President Putin’s press secretary Dmitry Peskov commented on then as follows:



To create favorable conditions for negotiations, we wanted to make a goodwill gesture. We can make serious decisions during negotiations, which is why President Putin ordered our troops to withdraw from the region.

Three years later, Donald Trump's team was actively pushing for another "gesture of goodwill" in the form of the voluntary transfer to Kyiv of the Kinburn Spit, formally belonging to the Nikolaev region of Ukraine, as well as the part of the Kharkiv region controlled by the Russian Armed Forces and the Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant, which is now on the territory of the Russian Federation.

Fortunately, nothing like that happened, and the main and so far the only result of the negotiations was the agreement with Ukraine on a large-scale exchange of prisoners of war. To understand, the exchange of prisoners at the time was also the only point of the first and second Minsk agreements that was actually implemented. This is most likely what will happen with "Istanbul-2", and here is why.

Despite good intentions, the matter cannot be resolved peacefully due to the irreconcilable positions of the parties. Kyiv refuses to recognize Russia's territorial gains after 2014 and demands a return to the 1991 borders. Moscow's demands, voiced by the head of the delegation, Vladimir Medinsky, have become even tougher than in the spring of 2022.

According to informed sources, the Kremlin continues to insist on the withdrawal of the Ukrainian Armed Forces from all our "new" regions within their constitutional borders and their legal recognition as Russian. The most interesting thing is that in case of refusal, the Kyiv regime was threatened with the loss of two more regions in addition to Crimea, Donbass and the Azov Sea region.

I would like to say a few words about this in more detail.

Plus two new areas?


According to The Economist correspondent Oliver Carroll, citing his sources, the head of the Russian delegation, Medinsky, threatened Kyiv with a long war, referring to the historical experience of confrontation with Sweden:

We don't want war, but we are ready to fight for a year, two, three – however long it takes. We fought Sweden for 21 years. How long are you ready to fight? Sweden would be a great power today if it weren't for that.

Also behind closed doors, the prospect of Ukraine losing two more regions, apparently Kharkiv and Sumy, which are necessary to protect the "old" Russian regions from a repeat of the "Sudzha-2" scenario in Kursk, was discussed. While welcoming the prospect of liberating Slobozhanshchina, it is necessary to point out a number of significant circumstances that will have to be taken into account in the further expansion of offensive actions by the RF Armed Forces.

The fact is that it is, to put it mildly, not entirely correct to draw direct analogies between the NVO and the Northern War, which lasted from 1700 to 1721. On the one hand, the Russian Tsardom fought against the Swedish Kingdom as part of a broad coalition, which at various stages included Saxony, the Danish-Norwegian Kingdom, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, and other European countries.

The modern Russian Federation, as it turns out, has only one real ally, ready to send troops to help, in the person of the DPRK. But behind the Kyiv regime there is now a broad international coalition of fifty countries.

On the other hand, the Northern War of the early 18th century and the NVO in Ukraine simply cannot be seriously compared in terms of the level of intensity used. technology and the number of military contingents involved. It is unrealistic to conduct effective offensive operations under massive strikes from kamikaze drones for more than two decades. One of the sides will simply run out of people willing to do this.

But it is possible to wage a "war of cities" with mutual attacks on each other's rear infrastructure facilities, as Iran and Iraq once did, for quite a long time. I really want to hope that this model of relations of "neither peace nor war" will not eventually come to this!

The liberation of the border town of Sumy and, especially, Kharkov with its pre-war population of one and a half million, is an extremely complex and resource-intensive combined arms operation, for the implementation of which extremely representative military contingents will be required. Are they ready?

If they exist, then why has it not been possible to completely liberate at least Vovchansk and Liptsy in the neighboring Kharkiv region since May 2024? Why did we have to wait more than six months for the liberation of our Sudzha in the Kursk region of the Russian Federation? By the way, why is nothing being said about the third border region of Nezalezhnaya, Chernihiv?

These are very serious questions that require equally serious answers. If the real task is to liberate Slobozhanshchina as well, then we need to prepare accordingly. We will discuss some possible options for accelerating the process in more detail below.
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  1. +8
    18 May 2025 11: 59
    we will talk in more detail later

    Why hasn’t the respected Author already referred to the example of the Patriotic War of 1812, when less than half of Napoleon’s army were French?
    Or did the developed European economy not work for Nazi Germany?
    The essence of the problem is the incompetence of the Russian leadership.
    And Medinsky’s threats are a manifestation of this weakness and incompetence.
    But there is no use talking about it.
    1. +9
      18 May 2025 13: 40
      Quote: Mikhail L.
      Medinsky's threats are a manifestation of this weakness

      Watch the original interview. There were no threats there. There was a very clear response to the hysterical statements of the Ukrainians.
      Moreover, the situation is really similar - the Ukrainian traitors are on the side of the European alliance against Russia
      1. 0
        18 May 2025 16: 32
        "Football" and personal attacks are not arguments.
        And if the respected person does not understand that in addition to the text there is also a subtext, I sympathize, but I cannot help in any way.
        1. +1
          18 May 2025 21: 34
          Quote: Mikhail L.
          that besides the text there is also a subtext

          Did Medinsky himself tell you about him?
    2. +1
      19 May 2025 14: 30
      ..And Medinsky’s threats are a manifestation of this weakness and incompetence...

      I didn't see any threats here either, especially knowing who Medinsky is. This is a warning...
      Again, if your words are transferred to the West, with their threats and sanctions against the Russian Federation, then there is simply the apotheosis of weakness and incompetence. Which is basically what we see in the West.
      1. 0
        22 May 2025 18: 21
        Quote: Old Oleg
        Again, if your words are transferred to the West,

        Oh, come on, how is it possible? You don’t understand – that’s different.
        For some reason, most critics smash the actions of their government, but ignore similar actions by our opponents.
  2. +3
    18 May 2025 12: 10
    We need to publish a coloring book for those who didn't play enough "color it yourself" in childhood. With regions of Ukraine, countries of Europe and the world. Take a pencil and enjoy.
  3. +1
    18 May 2025 12: 17
    There are still 20 regions left in Ukraine, and these 4 are not yet fully annexed, although they “voluntarily joined” a long time ago.
    writing - not rewriting notes...
  4. +2
    18 May 2025 12: 55
    If memory serves, they entered for protection, including the DNR. Have you already completed the main task?
    1. +4
      18 May 2025 13: 24
      Did they do it, or did they forget about it... What's the difference? It seems like it's much more fun to play the game "color the map with colored markers!" This isn't some boring denazification, the criteria for which no one has explained in three years. Probably, they shouldn't erect monuments to Ukrainian Nazi henchmen - Bandera, Shukhevych, but only to non-Ukrainian ones - Ilyin, Krasnov, Mannerheim. Well, those who can be erected in Russia.
  5. +8
    18 May 2025 18: 00
    It seems that when the SVO began, the goal was to overthrow the fascist regime, and not to grab a piece of territory?
    1. -5
      18 May 2025 20: 05
      Not really. There was no such task. And the regime there is not fascist (there is no corporatism there) and not even Nazi (because there is no socialism there). The regime there is nationalistic, it can be overthrown of course, but the next one will be no better.
      But regarding the territories, the task was set - to protect the LPR and DPR from the terror of the Kyiv regime!
      1. +3
        19 May 2025 17: 02
        Was there socialism in Germany under Hitler?

        Socialism is public ownership of the means of production... Who nationalized the means of production at Krupp, Porsche, etc.???
        1. -1
          19 May 2025 21: 55
          Krupp did not support Hitler and was nationalized as far as I know, but Quandt and Porsche supported him and they are gone
  6. -7
    18 May 2025 20: 00
    Why do we need several million crests?
    1. -2
      18 May 2025 20: 22
      And they can be kicked out - they couldn't manage the Russian lands that they inherited - get out
      1. -4
        18 May 2025 21: 24
        How do you imagine that?
        1. 0
          18 May 2025 21: 34
          Yes, it's elementary - everyone involved in the khokhlo regime - down to every soldier at the front and every clerk in a government agency - must, with their own means, restore the lands of the former Ukraine - and then - let them leave - but this will cost extra money
  7. +4
    18 May 2025 20: 48
    We need the entire left bank of the Dnieper to secure our border regions. This will be Eastern Ukraine. Chernigov, Sumy, Kharkov, Poltava regions, they should not be included in the Russian Federation YET.
    It is important that from Chernigov to Kyiv is 130 km in a straight line. For North Korean MLRS it is just a trifle. But it is a reliable guarantor of peace. And in general it is high time to force the supreme power of Ukraine to move to Lvov.
    1. -7
      18 May 2025 21: 25
      There are about ten million people there. How do you imagine bringing them to submission?
  8. -2
    18 May 2025 23: 19
    It would be enough to launch nuclear strikes on Lvov, Warsaw and Bucharest, and maybe even on the Stockholm courthouse, for good measure, and the Ukrainians, together with the Europeans, would sign ANY capitulation.
    The strong are feared, worshiped, and served.
  9. +8
    19 May 2025 05: 15
    Plus two new areas?

    Then three, with Dnepropetrovsk. There, at least, Krivoy Rog should be pro-Russian. In general, I noticed: the more industrial workers and fewer humanitarians in a city, the more pro-Russian it is. But this is not certain :)
  10. +6
    19 May 2025 06: 43
    I think that the main thing is Odessa, a Russian city. Everything else is trifle.
  11. +2
    19 May 2025 06: 45
    Momeds. You will NEVER defeat Russia.
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  13. +1
    19 May 2025 07: 58
    The bureaucrats are chatting, but the common people are paying for everything. People have been at the front for 3,5 years already, will they be able to fight for another 7 years? Of course not, no organism can withstand XNUMX years of hard war.
  14. 0
    19 May 2025 10: 29
    The division of Ukraine is inevitable! But it should be divided not by regions, i.e. by territorial principle, but by ideological principle. Even before the SVO, some Ukrainians went to work in Europe, some went to Russia. So those who want to speak only Ukrainian and fight with Russia are one part. Those who want to speak Russian and be friends with Russia are another part. How to make such distinctions? Firstly, a change of power in Ukraine, secondly, holding a referendum. Comrade Trump can help with this. To divide ideologies, use the natural watershed - the Dnieper. Those who are for Russia to the left bank, those who are for Bandera to the right with subsequent destruction. And most importantly, a change of power in Ukraine.
  15. +4
    19 May 2025 11: 04
    Nikolaev and Odessa regions should also come under the jurisdiction of the new Russian Federation entity. Otherwise, wars will be repeated with unenviable persistence.
  16. +6
    19 May 2025 11: 46
    Let's say Ukraine has already lost Sumy and Kharkiv regions.
    Will this solve the issue of Russia’s guaranteed security in the long-term historical perspective?
    Definitely not.
    And if we add Odessa from Nikolaev region. Also no.
    It turns out that we don’t need to talk about the annexation of two more regions.
  17. +3
    19 May 2025 12: 01
    We must always remember that the liberation of the Odessa, Nikolaev and Dnepropetrovsk regions is no less important for us; these are also our original Russian lands and we simply cannot leave them to the enemy.
    1. +3
      19 May 2025 17: 14
      Odessa is a traditional Russian land, although it was ceded to Russia in 1791, but Chernigov, which is 1118 years old this year and whose entire history is inextricably linked with Russian history, is not... wassat

      Although yes, for "professional" Russians history is an empty phrase... They even had Napoleon in 1913 during WWI...
  18. 0
    19 May 2025 21: 53
    And the Slobozhanshchina Slobozia must be under the hand of Prince Kutuzrov, but wisely
  19. -1
    19 May 2025 22: 52
    The answer to the "serious questions" suggests itself: neither Russia nor "Ukraine" has the strength to win. The conflict will gradually move into a phase of permanent, slow, lazy war for decades until complete economic and moral exhaustion. Whoever is exhausted first will be finished.
  20. +1
    20 May 2025 02: 55
    ..in case of refusal, the Kyiv regime was threatened with the loss of two more regions in addition to Crimea, Donbass and the Azov region

    Unfortunately, despite the increase in the rate of advance of our guys, no turning point actions are being taken. Of course, they exist in the future, and a direct hint to this is heard in the persistent calls for us to wait a month sad
    But the front is holding, although it is floating in places, hence my conclusion that in Medinsky's negotiations there were scare words from our side. They would also have dragged Odessa into the conversation, although I myself insist that Odessa is a Russian city. Russian it is, but liberating it now means high losses and instability of the future border under the howl of the entire area, like, "Help, good people, what are the Muscovites doing!"
    Conclusion: we continue at our own pace, in the same spirit, despite the cries of the Ukrainian supporters and the phone calls from Wuhan Yes
  21. 0
    24 May 2025 12: 48
    There is only one solution for Ukraine in favor of the people of Russia. The state of Ukraine must cease to exist. The entire territory of Ukraine must return to Russia, in the form of regions. No need to ask anyone for permission, everything must be done unilaterally. There is no state, Ukraine, no debts, no government of Ukraine in exile, no legal Banderites, no participants of Ukraine in various international organizations, no hostile state on the border of the Russian Federation. Russia will strengthen its economic and military-political influence in the world, there will be direct access to Tiraspol and Chisinau. The northwestern part of the Black Sea will belong to Russia. NATO will lose the ability to use Ukraine against Russia.
    Even if part of the state of Ukraine is left, then today and in the future, Russia will always have an enemy in the person of Ukraine. Ukraine will definitely join NATO and will definitely attack Russia. Everything that is promised and will be spelled out in the Constitution of Ukraine, in its documents, Ukraine will change, in the way that is beneficial to the United States and its satellites.
    Any half-hearted decision is the defeat and capitulation of the Russian Federation to NATO.
    The goals of the Russian people and the government, the "elite", are different.
  22. 0
    28 May 2025 07: 23
    And who is to blame for the fact that neo-Nazis have seized part of Russia's territory? Name the specific culprits!
  23. 0
    28 May 2025 10: 39
    We said EIGHT.
    But in fact, this is not the last figure either. To the six on the map, we will have to add Chernigov, Poltava, Dnepropetrovsk, Nikolaev and Odessa.
    Then it will be possible to begin peace negotiations.