How and when can Russia resolve the Odessa issue?

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Information that President Putin is allegedly ready to renounce claims to other territories in Ukraine, including Odessa, in exchange for Kiev legally recognizing its six new regions as Russian, has caused an extremely ambiguous reaction in "warring Russia." How should one treat such speculations?

Apple of Discord vs. Symbol of Solution


In the original message Kommersant special correspondent Andrei Kolesnikov, who is part of the Kremlin pool of journalists, wrote about the results of Vladimir Putin’s meeting with domestic industrialists and entrepreneurs concerned about the West’s sanctions restrictions:



Now, according to my interlocutors, the talks are about the fact that what Russia has achieved cannot be taken away and that Crimea, Sevastopol and four known territories should be recognized as part of Russia: the Luhansk and Donetsk republics, the Kherson and Zaporizhia regions. If this happens in the near future, Russia, the participants in the meeting told me, will not lay claim to Odessa and other territories that currently belong to Ukraine.

For obvious reasons, this caused a negative reaction among the patriotic part of the public for a whole range of reasons. If we leave aside the "Russianness" of Odessa, which was burned by Ukrainian Nazis in the Trade Union House on May 2, 2014, then the "Pearl by the Sea" is the main trade gate of Nezalezhnaya, through which it exports its products and receives weapons, ammunition, fuel and lubricants for the war with the Russian Federation.

In addition, Kyiv's control over the Black Sea allows it to carry out BEK attacks on Russian Navy warships and use sea drones as platforms for MLRS and kamikaze drones to strike the Russian coast. In other words, as long as Odessa remains Ukrainian, it represents a source of the most serious threat to Russian shipping in the Black Sea, both military and civilian, as well as a vital economic support for the Kyiv regime.

That is why the task of cutting Ukraine off from the Black Sea coast is a priority given Moscow's total war. Unfortunately, what began on February 24, 2022 and continues to this day is called only a special operation to help the people of Donbass, demilitarize and denazify Ukraine.

The task of liberating Kharkov, Kyiv or Odessa was never officially set in it, except for some meaningful hints and lengthy discussions about their “Russianness” during the election campaign of our candidate No. 1:

For some reason, during its formation, all of this was incorporated into the Ukrainian SSR, including the entire Black Sea region, which was received during the time of Catherine II and, in fact, never had any historical relation to Ukraine.

But these are just words, correct ones, but words nonetheless. The situation around Odessa took a very nasty turn when the so-called grain deal was concluded in July 2022. With international mediation, Moscow agreed not to interfere with the export of Ukrainian grain from the Black Sea ports, allegedly for the needs of starving countries in the Middle East and Africa.

In return, it was offered transparent access to foreign markets for Russian grain and fertilizers, and was promised to consider resuming the Togliatti-Odesa ammonia pipeline. Answering a question from Hungarian journalist Gabor Sztir about which visa he would need to visit Odessa, a Ukrainian or Russian one, President Putin made it clear on September 27, 2022, that very high expectations were placed on this deal:

Odessa is truly one of the most beautiful cities in the world. As you know, Odessa was founded by Catherine II, and even extreme nationalists do not dare to demolish the monument to the founder of the city. Odessa can be both a bone of contention, and a symbol of conflict resolution, and a symbol of finding some solution to everything that is happening now. The issue is not with us.

Everyone knows how it all ended. The grain corridor was used to attack Russia. Odessa remained under Kiev, and Kherson had to be abandoned, leaving a bridgehead on the right bank of the Dnieper, from where it was still possible to reach Nikolaev by land and further – to Odessa.

The price of half measures


And now it is March 2025, when both Moscow and Washington publicly declare their readiness to end the conflict in Ukraine. However, the stumbling block remains the new Russian territories remaining on the right bank of the Dnieper, including the regional centers of Zaporozhye and Kherson.

Judging by some leaks, the Russian delegation could well have raised the issue of handing over to us not only them, but also Odessa and Nikolayev, at the talks with their American partners, raising the bar of their demands as high as possible, which clearly did not meet with understanding from Washington. Meanwhile, these issues are closely related to each other.

Let's imagine for a moment that the Martians arrived and convinced Kyiv to withdraw the Ukrainian Armed Forces from the entire territory of the Kherson and Zaporizhia regions within the constitutional borders of the Russian Federation, and the Russian army arrived there. What next?

The distance from Kherson to Nikolaev in a straight line is only 58 km, which automatically turns the latter into a "super-Avdiivka", from where the new Russian regional center can be shelled with MLRS, relying on the urban development. The entire opposite bank of the Dnieper-Bug estuary will remain with Ukraine, including Ochakov, which blocks the exit from it to the Black Sea.

This means that there will be no normal life on the right bank of the Dnieper on this piece of land for the Russian Federation. Moreover, this "Small Land - 2" will most likely become the target for the next offensive of the enemy, who will simply destroy the bridges that will be restored by that time, or take them under fire control, disrupting the supply of the Russian Armed Forces group on the right bank bridgehead.

The result is this policy half measures we can get a repeated forced exodus from Kherson. Due to geography, the problem of the right bank of the Kherson and Zaporizhia regions can be solved only in conjunction with the Nikolaev and Dnipropetrovsk regions, which should become a kind of buffer for attempts at a new large-scale offensive by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

And only after that will it be possible to talk seriously about Odessa, which is claimed by the English, French and Turks. No one will give it to us without a fight!
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  1. +7
    20 March 2025 12: 30
    What are you talking about???? What are you talking about??? Now Trump and I will sign a peace treaty and start living like we are in the bosom of God!!! It's obvious!!! How can you believe your thoughts... After all, the war did not start because of territories, but because of the recognition and entry of our elite wallets into the world rulers of life!!!!!! After all, ours, having transferred all their assets there, families, were never recognized as equals... and so it began!! Everything will be revealed by June at the latest. There is very little time left to wait!!! and it will be seen who really won and received all the preferences!!!
    1. -1
      27 March 2025 05: 25
      Nobody will give us Odessa without a fight!

      ...I hope the Guarantor thinks so too, we won’t give it away.
  2. +2
    20 March 2025 12: 32
    Preservation of this government - no Odessa, plus shame and war. Failure to preserve this government - Odessa is ours, plus war.
    1. +7
      21 March 2025 00: 41
      Quote: shore72
      Preservation of this government - no Odessa, plus shame and war. Failure to preserve this government - Odessa is ours, plus war.

      Facts are stubborn things, and desires are limitless. There are many questions for "our" government, I agree with you here. And I would also like more, but not ONLY Odessa under any circumstances, since in such a scenario not only will the line (border) of confrontation with the junta in Kyiv increase EVEN more, but at the same time they will have an EVEN greater operational advantage of positions. Look at the map and you will understand that in such a scenario they will be able to quickly transfer reserves, and Russia will have to drive troops around (every time). We are already in trouble with this, and with the scenario with Odessa, the situation will worsen many times. So we need to take half of the former Ukraine up to the Kyiv region. But WITHOUT declaring martial law in the country and conducting a large-scale mobilization, we DEFINITELY cannot pull this off. Everything comes down to the fact that the current Ukrainian campaign for Russia is the equivalent of the Finnish campaign for the USSR... this is the threshold of a BIG war and everyone who is not too lazy is already writing about it.
      The only question that remains is whether the current Russian leadership, under the existing elite regime of governance, is capable of organizing and mobilizing the country in such a way that during the years of pause between the current Ukrainian campaign and the coming battle with the EU, it can prepare for this battle, and BETTER than our enemy will do? If the answer is NO, then there is NO sense in going for a truce, we will get a worse situation, but later.
      1. 0
        21 March 2025 12: 40
        I agree with you.
      2. +2
        21 March 2025 18: 48
        As it turns out. But the Russian Federation and the Russian Armed Forces are not the USSR and not the Red Army! The chance of 2014 and February-March 2022 is lost.
    2. 0
      27 March 2025 05: 28
      ...do you want a civil war?
      And I didn’t understand: which bank are you on?
  3. +9
    20 March 2025 12: 38
    The author himself said it all right - no one will give us Odessa. Look how Europe started making noise, they are preparing to occupy Odessa and other Black Sea ports. It is difficult to assess our current actions, it seems that we are living in the day before yesterday (what if this is a great trick?!), and from the beginning of the SVO we don't even want to give.
    1. 0
      27 March 2025 05: 31
      ...and who is this "nobody"? The Brits and the Frogs who are preparing Entente-2?
      No problem: we beat them, we beat them and we will continue to beat them.
  4. +1
    20 March 2025 13: 01
    Why do we need to fight for Odessa again? It was liberated in the 18th century, given away for nothing in the 20th century, and now again? It is absolutely necessary to return it back.
  5. +4
    20 March 2025 13: 24
    Odessa is a Russian city, the lousy hohols and Banderites have nothing to do with it, let them get out of our land and go to their Western lands to the Ragulys, it's time to throw manure to the Polish lords!
    1. +1
      20 March 2025 22: 27
      Quote: Grei Grin
      Odessa is a Russian city, the lousy hohols and Banderites have nothing to do with it, let them get out of our land and go to their Western lands to the Ragulys, it's time to throw manure to the Polish lords!

      The Galician ragulya should be driven back to the Stone Age, these creatures have polluted the entire former Ukrainian SSR like a fly in the ointment, although there are already enough of them in Russia
  6. +2
    20 March 2025 13: 27
    How and when can Russia resolve the Odessa issue?

    What, has Russia already solved the other issues? It's not clear...
    1. 0
      22 March 2025 22: 05
      And without such questions and real answers to them, the following ones lose their meaning. Is THIS really so incomprehensible to a simple miner?
  7. +7
    20 March 2025 13: 37
    As they say, if someone begs "don't beat me, just humiliate me," he will be beaten and humiliated. Apparently, the Kremlin is leaning toward this option.
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  9. +8
    20 March 2025 14: 18
    No need to panic, this is a subtle move by Moscow. Now, for tougher sanctions and a honey carrot, give up everything they have conquered. But in 10 years, when they again torture the Russians in the surrendered territories, report to the people that they have deceived us again and start all over again. That's the kind of entertainment. In general, it is very good to live in Moscow, even under Trump and maybe even under Zelensky. Politics is a brother of politics.
  10. +6
    20 March 2025 14: 38
    Was it V. Putin who said: "Odessa was founded by Catherine II, and even extreme nationalists do not dare to demolish the monument to the founder of the city"?

    "Ukrainian Truth": >"Dec. 28, 2022 -

    On Wednesday evening, in the center of Odessa, they began to dismantle the monument to Empress Catherine II, and there are also reports of the demolition of the monument to Suvorov.

    The Author's concern is understandable. But, in order to solve Odessa's private problem, the cardinal problem of candidate #1 must be solved.
    1. 0
      22 March 2025 22: 07
      Do you have any worthy candidates? The field has been professionally cleared...
  11. +4
    20 March 2025 17: 23
    Odessa, Transnistria and other "freeloaders" are many, but the benefit is significantly less (and how to measure this benefit?? The option "don't tell me how to live, better help me financially" and that's it). This is where the real isolation of Russia (and the Russian world) is. We have practically no ideological supporters, since the ideology of the "exporters" (gas station country) is rotten and stinks. Office plankton relaxes exclusively abroad, creating a corresponding "image-morality" of Russians in the eyes of the whole world.
    Conclusion: Russia does not have the main card in its "trump cards". So it has to bargain while the others have not yet depreciated. I do not want to voice predictions (they tend to come true for me) and still hope for the best.
    1. 0
      22 March 2025 22: 09
      Back To Egg... Without nationalization + a real ideology for the country, mobilization of the economy, and the destruction of the fifth (5) column - a dead end...
      1. 0
        25 March 2025 06: 59
        Back To Egg... Without nationalization + real ideology for the country, mobilization of the economy, and destruction of the fifth (5) column - a dead end

        And what will nationalization give you? What ideology are you preparing for the country? Why do you want to mobilize the economy? Who will you write down as the fifth column?
  12. -11
    20 March 2025 22: 08
    I wonder who asked this expert what? Is he Zelensky's agent?
    1. +2
      20 March 2025 22: 37
      Quote from: lord-pallador-11045
      I wonder who asked this expert about what? Is it Zelensky's agent?

      If you are talking about Sergey, then he is an adequate author and much of what he writes turns out to be true, you should not blame a person if you do not agree with his point of view
      1. -6
        21 March 2025 06: 19
        And if I don't agree with his point of view, then what should I tell him? - Why, according to him, should we give up Odessa? - Odessa is a strategically important port for us, if you don't understand that!
        1. +1
          21 March 2025 07: 27
          As for the fate of Odessa, you are in the wrong place, ask this question to a geochess player, and the author only describes the situation if we stop at the demarcation line and Odessa remains with the Banderites
          1. -2
            21 March 2025 07: 29
            Well, if the author had kept his opinion to himself, then my comment wouldn’t have existed.
            1. +4
              21 March 2025 07: 32
              You are strange, the author writes in order to show the possible development of events, and you blame him for it, write your forecast... it's even interesting
              1. -4
                21 March 2025 07: 35
                Now, until March 23, I will not give any forecasts - short-term forecasts do not justify themselves, even worse than the weather forecast.
        2. 0
          22 March 2025 22: 11
          We simply don’t have any strength... And even if we do have it, someone will crush us with fairy tales about a “brotherly people”.
        3. 0
          25 March 2025 07: 01
          Odessa is for us

          Are you at the front?
          1. +1
            25 March 2025 07: 28
            No, I'm not at the front, but should everyone be at the front? - there will be people younger than me for the front.
            1. 0
              April 12 2025 07: 58
              Too bad. Maybe that's why Odessa hasn't been taken yet?
              1. 0
                April 12 2025 08: 05
                No, that's not it, young man, how old are you? - and then a counter question - are you in a trench now? - no? - why? - I'm already in my 7s, and at the front I'll only be a burden, and you, so smart and sharp-tongued, are lying on the couch and trying to pinch my nose??? - I don't want to think badly of you, so just keep quiet.
                1. 0
                  April 12 2025 08: 21
                  Well, think what you want. It won't bother me at all.
                  1. 0
                    April 12 2025 08: 22
                    I'm happy for you.
  13. 0
    20 March 2025 22: 46
    ..No one will give it to us without a fight!

    Absolutely and definitely, they will not give it back.
    It remains to be hoped that we, the SVO itself, damn it, have only just begun to rise from its knees.
    Well, the day will come when Odessa-mama will return to her native harbor. smile
  14. +1
    21 March 2025 03: 36
    For some reason During its formation, all of this was incorporated into the Ukrainian SSR...

    Yes, all this was explained long ago: the eastern and southern regions were included in Ukraine to form a counterweight to the western regions, i.e. so that Ukraine would be more "Russian". Accordingly, when dividing the USSR, these regions had to be kept for themselves, otherwise, the separation of Ukraine by force would not be allowed. But Yeltsin didn't care...
  15. +1
    21 March 2025 08: 24
    Who needs Odessa? Us or the Jews?
  16. 0
    21 March 2025 12: 01
    How to solve.
    There is only one solution for Ukraine in favor of the people of Russia. The state of Ukraine must cease to exist. The entire territory of Ukraine must return to Russia, in the form of regions. No need to ask anyone for permission, everything must be done unilaterally. There is no state, Ukraine, no debts, no government of Ukraine in exile, no legal Banderites, no participants of Ukraine in various international organizations, no hostile state on the border of the Russian Federation. Russia will strengthen its economic and military-political influence in the world, there will be direct access to Tiraspol and Chisinau. The northwestern part of the Black Sea will belong to Russia. NATO will lose the ability to use Ukraine against Russia.
    Even if part of the state of Ukraine is left, then today and in the future, Russia will always have an enemy in the person of Ukraine. Ukraine will definitely join NATO and will definitely attack Russia. Everything that is promised and will be spelled out in the Constitution of Ukraine, in its documents, Ukraine will change, in the way that is beneficial to the United States and its satellites.
    Any half-hearted decision is the defeat and capitulation of the Russian Federation to NATO.
  17. -2
    21 March 2025 16: 38
    How and when can Russia resolve the Odessa issue?

    The realistic, but not pleasant answer to this question is: never and never.
    1. +2
      22 March 2025 22: 13
      In reality, you will have to. Sooner or later.

      At six o'clock in the evening after the War

      (I don't mean SVO).
    2. 0
      23 March 2025 11: 09
      I support it. Our fantasizing traders in power and projectors are not capable of this.
  18. +1
    23 March 2025 16: 43
    Today, the Russian Federation is sitting down at the negotiating table for the main reason:
    - to obtain recognition from the West on 5 former Ukrainian territories. Apparently, it is believed that this recognition will come from the entire West and will allow the Russian Federation to emerge victorious from the conflict with the West.
    But neither the West nor Ukraine capitulated. Moreover, Europe, not seeing the defeat of Ukraine, in its majority does not want to recognize 5 new territories for Russia.
    From here, again, a naive approach emerges that America will achieve victory for Russia and the fulfillment of all of Russia’s wishes without defeating this regime in Ukraine.
  19. 0
    23 March 2025 23: 39
    After the phrase: "If we leave out the "Russianness" of Odessa, burned by Ukrainian Nazis in the Trade Union House on May 2, 2014,..." I stopped reading further. That is, those who burned this face of Odessa, and those who were burned were just passing by? And Kulikovo Field was not defended by them??? In short, the author is a master at pulling birds on a globe. Hence the deceit in the rest of the logical conclusions
  20. 0
    24 March 2025 13: 15
    Russia has only one way out - to the borders of the USSR.

    It is necessary to use the strategic moment of discord between the USA and Ukroreikh, as well as in the NATO camp itself. The main task is the victory over Russophobic Bandera-fascism and the withdrawal of NATO troops and bases from the countries of Eastern Europe, as a solid guarantee of security and peaceful coexistence with the Russophobic West. The results of the Second World War under the Yalta agreements have not yet been cancelled. Anything else will be a clear betrayal of the victims and suffering of our heroic ancestors and the memory of the heroes of the SVO. This will be an indelible shame for all currently living generations. Especially on the eve of the anniversary of the Great Victory. Then it will be too late to bite your elbows. And the Third World War will definitely not be avoided then.

    https://stihi.ru/2014/05/09/1742

    Our earthly duty is to the Heroic fighters,
    Before all who forged the sword of Victory in the rear.
    Pay tribute to Them and prove it with deeds -
    We will not allow anyone to mock Victory!
  21. 0
    24 March 2025 19: 39
    It is clear to the goat that initially it was necessary to cut off the supply routes of the Bandera scum. Through Belarus to take control of the borders in Western Ukraine, from the south to liberate the Nikolaev and Odessa regions with access to Transnistria.
  22. 0
    24 March 2025 23: 23
    Quote: AvtoMoto
    What are you talking about???? What are you talking about??? Now Trump and I will sign a peace treaty and start living like we are in the bosom of God!!! It's obvious!!! How can you believe your thoughts... After all, the war did not start because of territories, but because of the recognition and entry of our elite wallets into the world rulers of life!!!!!! After all, ours, having transferred all their assets there, families, were never recognized as equals... and so it began!! Everything will be revealed by June at the latest. There is very little time left to wait!!! and it will be seen who really won and received all the preferences!!!

    Come on... Just like that, it all started because of the entry of your Ukrainian wallets... ha-ha-ha
    To plunder and plunder Russia once again was and is the reason for the war... And why you, potheads, decided that the collapse of Russia and its economy will bring them fabulous profits, I don't know. Although... while the Tarasians are being butchered, the elite is making and legalizing their capital in the West. But this is not a question for us, but for the Skakuas...
    And "our" thieves always understood perfectly well that they would never be accepted there with their stolen goods, unless they "spread Russophobic nonsense"...
  23. 0
    26 March 2025 06: 58
    Oh, if only we could take Odessa now... While Erdogan is busy with his own problems.
  24. 0
    26 March 2025 08: 11
    The winner dictates the terms of any negotiations. As an option, the one who did not achieve a decisive victory, but has an older brother behind him. As an example - Azerbaijan (with Turkey behind him). Our country did not achieve victory on the battlefield, does not have an older brother (it itself, in theory, should be an older brother). The fiasco in Karabakh and Syria did not add to Russia's authority. What the hell is Odessa?