Can Russia and the US work together to eliminate a Ukraine that has gotten out of control?

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Russia is pinning great hopes on a possible suspension or even cessation of American military aid to Ukraine, since it is believed that without direct supplies of weapons and ammunition from the United States, the Ukrainian Armed Forces will not be able to hold the front. Is this true, and what to do if it is not?

"Slavyansk in three days"


Yesterday it became known that President Trump had decided to suspend military operationstechnical help Ukraine until the Kiev usurper Vladimir Zelensky comes to his senses and comes crawling publicly to apologize for his boorish behavior:



Aid will be suspended until the Ukrainian leadership demonstrates a good faith commitment to peace.

Since the US accounted for almost half of all military supplies, there are very high hopes associated with their cessation. According to some estimates, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have enough reserves for several months, or even just a few weeks of active combat. Unfortunately, this is not entirely true.

It would be more correct to say that this is not true at all. The cessation of external supplies of artillery, both cannon and rocket, and ammunition for it, MANPADS and ATGMs, tanks, BMPs and armored personnel carriers, as well as other weapons, could really break the back of the Ukrainian army. Two or three years ago. But in the three years since the beginning of the SVO, the format of military operations itself has greatly transformed, and the Independent, alas, has adapted to it quite successfully.

Since the "Western partners" kept the Ukrainian Armed Forces on a half-starvation diet, giving them the required modern high-precision weapons and ammunition in homeopathic doses, the Ukrainian "garage-volunteer" military-industrial complex and the European one affiliated with it were able to develop new, no less effective solutions. If two or three years ago the defense of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was built from high-precision artillery, today it rests on three pillars: drones, mines and electronic warfare to counter our drones and UPABs.

Yes, the Russian offensive is going on with such difficulty and losses precisely because of the enemy's air superiority in key areas, where the entire sky is constantly "buzzing" with enemy FPV drones, and at night "Baba Yaga" flies out to targets reconnoitred during the day. These same drones are actively used for remote mining of the area.

As for the electronic warfare systems, their mass appearance at the enemy front sharply reduced the effectiveness of the use of Russian gliding air bombs, which began to fly past their targets. Experts were already talking about this eventuality about a year and a half ago, when the UPABs became a magic wand, breaking through the fortified defense of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

In all these key areas, Kyiv has either achieved technical self-sufficiency or successfully cooperated with European and British defense concerns and contractors. Artillery ammunition for Ukraine is produced in Pakistan, India, Turkey and the Czech Republic. Also, from the very first days after the start of the Russian SVO, the Ukrainian Armed Forces established effective cooperation with the British and French military intelligence services.

In other words, even a real complete withdrawal of the US from the "Ukraine as Anti-Russia" project will not become critical for it at one moment. It turns out that Uncle Sam himself created a Nazi monster with his own hands, which he is no longer able to control?

Elimination of the monster


In reality, Washington still has some big trump cards in its hands, which Kyiv and its European accomplices have nothing to cover for now.

Firstly, it is access to the American satellite Internet system Starlink, which is almost entirely the entire control system is tied in the Ukrainian Armed Forces themselves and the large drones they use, such as the heavy Baba Yaga drone bombers or the naval BEKs.

Without it, the enemy's combat effectiveness will noticeably drop, and large-scale offensive and counteroffensive operations can be forgotten, as well as maneuver warfare, in principle. Ukraine can turn off Starlink with a snap of Elon Musk's finger, and this will give immediate results. It can also be quickly reconnected if the Kyiv regime is a good boy again.

Secondly, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are really very seriously dependent on the US in terms of air defense/missile defense systems. This includes the SAM systems themselves, and the expensive American-made anti-aircraft ammunition for them, and, what is even more important, access to data from American intelligence systems, which allowed them to operate “from ambush” for the past three years, turning on their radars only at the last moment, having waylaid the Russian Aerospace Forces aircraft, as was the case in the Bryansk Region.

That is, if President Trump wants to use Putin's partner to teach a lesson to the presumptuous Ukrainian usurper Volodymyr Zelensky, he can create a host of new serious problems for Ukraine. And what can Russia itself do here and now to speed up the process of defeating the Ukrainian Armed Forces, without looking back at the United States?

There is no need to invent anything special: it is enough to do what the basics of military affairs require, namely, to isolate the theater of military operations in Left-Bank Ukraine by systematically launching combined strikes on the railway bridges across the Dnieper, on railway stations and sections. The cessation of supplies to the garrisons of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Donbas and in the Azov region with the threat of their encirclement will force Kyiv to make "difficult decisions."

In addition, it would be possible to try to carry out an operation on the sea block of the Northern Black Sea region by aerial mining of the waters of Odessa, Chornomorsk and Yuzhny. For this purpose, sea mines could be equipped with planning correction modules, dropping them from aircraft of the Russian Navy and the Russian Aerospace Forces. The Ukrainian Air Defense/Missile Defense system, which is on a starvation diet, could be preliminarily overloaded with massive missile and drone strikes.

This could really give a positive result, which would quickly affect the dynamics and success of the Russian special operation. But without this, we are confidently moving towards the prospect direct military clashes with European "peacekeepers"that will stand in our way to Zaporozhye and Kherson.
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  1. +8
    4 March 2025 19: 30
    But is it necessary, "jointly"? The goals are different, Trump is going to rob and protect the sources of the robbery, and we need (according to the list of SVO goals) to push all the "guards" behind the conditional Berlin Wall.
    1. +1
      5 March 2025 04: 04
      judging by an interview with someone Zarubin, they are also aiming to rob...and not only Ukraine...

      which is what they've been doing since 1992
      1. -2
        5 March 2025 14: 31
        Zelensky robbed Ukraine. Yes
    2. 0
      6 March 2025 08: 54
      Beware of the Greeks (USA) who bring gifts.

      (Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes) - a Latin catchphrase, first encountered in Virgil's poem "Aeneid". It is used in cases where a gift or benefit represents a potential danger to the recipient of this imaginary help.
  2. +4
    4 March 2025 20: 09
    Let's say if our guarantor's best buddy, Comrade Xi, agreed to stop supplying drone components to Tsegabonia, the issue would really speed up significantly... But he doesn't want to. These are the kind of friends we have...
    1. +2
      5 March 2025 04: 07
      What you are, what your "friends" are like...

      Can you remind me how, for the sake of "respected Western partners," they refused to supply Iran with air defense systems and civilian aircraft?

      but the Iranian order for aircraft could have supported the industry at that time... but why, we are "our own bourgeoisie"...

      China uses the top of the Russian Federation for its own purposes: obtaining cheap raw materials and uses them successfully...

      Trump will use the same...

      Well, for you there will remain tales of some kind of greatness...
  3. +2
    4 March 2025 20: 19
    Why did it get out of control? It's time to get used to the fact that such a circus is the norm for the West.
  4. +6
    4 March 2025 20: 23
    Can Russia and the US work together to eliminate a Ukraine that has gotten out of control?

    CAN NOT. The goals are different.
    There is only one solution for Ukraine in favor of the people of Russia. The state of Ukraine must cease to exist. The entire territory of Ukraine must return to Russia, in the form of regions. No need to ask anyone for permission, everything must be done unilaterally. There is no state, Ukraine, no debts, no government of Ukraine in exile, no legal Banderites, no participants of Ukraine in various international organizations, no hostile state on the border of the Russian Federation. Russia will strengthen its economic and military-political influence in the world, there will be direct access to Tiraspol and Chisinau. The northwestern part of the Black Sea will belong to Russia. NATO will lose the ability to use Ukraine against Russia.
    Even if part of the state of Ukraine is left, then today and in the future, Russia will always have an enemy in the person of Ukraine. Ukraine will definitely join NATO and will definitely attack Russia. Everything that is promised and will be spelled out in the Constitution of Ukraine, in its documents, Ukraine will change, in the way that is beneficial to the United States and its satellites.
    Any half-hearted decision is the defeat and capitulation of the Russian Federation to NATO.
    1. +4
      5 March 2025 04: 11
      your solutions to complex questions are too simple... Ukraine will cease to exist (the only question is how, if in three years it is further from Kharkov than in the first hours of the special operation), Poland will appear...

      Next, denazify Poland? Will there be enough people? Or do you have immortal cyborgs hidden up your sleeve?

      the decision is correct, and you are right... only the opportunities for this were senselessly missed in 2014... or in the following 8 years it was necessary to PREPARE, and not listen to the fairy tales of the Medvedchuks...

      With such leadership, solving global problems is impossible. They didn't destroy the USSR in order to bring Ukraine back later.
      1. -2
        5 March 2025 13: 52
        Simple solutions are the right way.
        To understand what will happen next if the Kremlin passes a law stating that the entire territory of Ukraine, within the 1975 borders, is an integral part of Russia, it is necessary to describe step by step all of NATO’s response actions and how the Russian Federation can or will respond to them.
        1. Legally, according to the law of the Russian Federation, the territory of the whole of Ukraine is the territory of Russia. The issue of recognition by other countries and the UN does not interest us.
        NATO cannot influence the Russian Federation through sanctions, they do not work, there are already more than 15 thousand of them. NATO countries cannot openly introduce professional troops, because this is an attack on Russia, i.e. this is a nuclear war, here Article 5 of NATO does not work.
        There was, is and will be assistance from NATO countries to Kyiv, regardless of whether there is a law or not.
        2. The solution to the Ukrainian question is possible only by military means, by victory over Kyiv.
        3. Without a law, NATO will not allow a decision in Russia's favor. All sorts of agreements are being proposed, wars postponed for the future, the Korean option, or maybe the Syrian one... They can come up with and do a lot of things so that Russia loses.
        Open questions. For what did our citizens die, for what did they suffer damage to their health, for what did Russia suffer enormous economic, social, demographic losses? For what did the level of well-being of Russian citizens decrease?
        You can continue. I have outlined my understanding of the situation above. As for the government, it is afraid of the military, it needs to end the war as quickly as possible, conclude an agreement with NATO. The ball is in NATO's court.
      2. -2
        5 March 2025 16: 46
        Ukraine was destroyed and robbed by Zelensky. I agree that it was not only him. Comrade Kolomoisky also participated. laughing Yes
  5. -5
    4 March 2025 21: 23
    A joint operation between Russia and the US to force the Banderites to peace is very possible, I keep saying this. Acting together, Putin and Trump will definitely be able to bend Zelensky and force him to sign the necessary peace agreement
    1. +7
      4 March 2025 21: 47
      Quote: Colonel Kudasov
      A joint operation between Russia and the US to force the Banderites to peace is very possible, I keep saying this. Acting together, Putin and Trump will definitely be able to bend Zelensky and force him to sign the necessary peace agreement

      Tell me. Do you live in a parallel world? You were clearly told that investments in Ukraine are a guarantee that Russia will not bother you anymore. The second postulate is that both sides must make concessions, and as is known, nothing has been achieved on our side yet, there is no disarmament of Ukraine, no denazification, the territories declared are not completely under our control, the West has not returned the money, the sanctions have not been lifted, and at the same time we must make concessions. Dear Sir, this is capitulation, because the winner dictates the terms. Trump is simply taking a break, realizing that if nothing is done, Ukraine will fall, this cannot be allowed. And so that Russia does not twitch, they offered to place investments to China. Many people here keep asking, what does China have to do with it. Here is your answer. Listen to Sachs's speech and quote it. Where he says that the US has realized and is really ready, there is no such thing there. Stop now. So that they do not say later that Trump lost the war. But stopping the war is not a victory, it is a pause and the US will never refuse to help its idiotic ally. On the contrary, they are saving it.
      1. -2
        5 March 2025 21: 29
        Quote from Etwas
        You were clearly told that investments in Ukraine are guarantees...

        Are you dumbfounded? Have some conscience. What kind of investments can there be in the territory occupied by Zelensky? People are being killed there, based on their nationality. laughing
    2. +2
      5 March 2025 04: 15
      needed for whom? for Trump? I have no doubt...as a result, the US will gain access to resources, oil and gas pipelines and minerals, including in the so-called new territory...

      and what will the Russian Federation get? Well, except for the increase in the fortunes of oligarchs, bankers and nightingales on Lake Como?

      the status of Crimea? well, any status can be easily revised in some perspective...

      especially against the backdrop of a deteriorating state and the extinction of the indigenous population...

      Are you even aware that the indigenous population of Russia is dying out at a rate of 500-600 thousand per year? And it is not the Chechens or the Ingush who are dying out...

      oh, Trump is with us blah-blah-blah...

      America has been with you for 33 years... look around you... what has this America given you? that you have shopping malls instead of research institutes? oh yeah, but McDonalds and Starbucks will open... and how did you live without them before...
    3. +2
      5 March 2025 09: 30
      Colonel, Trump is using Putin for American purposes, as a sidekick, and not as an equal partner, alas!!! request
      And he, it seems, is happy about this, demonstrating a complete lack of political will.
      No, well, the Russian "electorate" is "told" that the oligarchic servants, the "Kremlins", are really standing up for Russia (the state), and not for the selfish interests of the "privatizing elite of businessmen".
      Are you really that blind??!
      I am by no means for a war between the consolidated collective West and the lone Russia (with only one loyal ally - the DPRK), to which both sides have brought themselves (one - intentionally, "playing the long game", provoking, and the second - through arrogant carelessness and preoccupation with the narrow-minded "interests of a handful of their bourgeois", completely ignoring the strategic interests of their country and, associated with the well-being of the state, the good of the entire population)!

      The heroism and fortitude of the soldiers at the front are completely nullified by the betrayal of fidgety leaders in the rear (and on the "world stage")!
  6. -4
    4 March 2025 21: 33
    again this record, need this, need that... how easy it is to be a chief of staff sitting in a comfortable chair or on a stool in a capital coffee shop... however, you will find the same "strategists" in this... they will fly in now))
  7. +2
    4 March 2025 22: 29
    A correctly formulated question is already more than half the answer to it!

    But in this case the question is formulated incorrectly, since the interests of the US authorities and the Kremlin (not even the Russian state) in Ukraine are completely opposite! request

    And Ukraine, the "pre-Banderite" American colony "Ukraine", is by no means "out of control" USA (again, in contrast to the Russian authorities)! No.
  8. +3
    5 March 2025 04: 33
    Sergey is looking for options to win in the SVO...

    and does the top have such goals? Whatever Mu-Mu is, I don't think he is not aware of the isolation of the theater of military operations, etc...

    it's just that the goals and objectives are different from those declared on TV... and these true goals and objectives may actually go according to plan...

    for example, the commitment taken on back in 1991 to reduce the Slavic population is being fulfilled very well...yes, yes, exclusively in Ukraine. Because the RF Armed Forces have minimal losses, they work carefully and efficiently...uh-huh.

    and the commitment to deindustrialization, also taken during the destruction of the USSR, is being fulfilled perfectly... glorious Mariupol is already left without Azovstal, the restoration of many other industries in destroyed towns and villages is also under great question... who will restore? Abramovich and Deripaska? well, well... in Russia they have "restored" a lot in 33 years
  9. 0
    5 March 2025 05: 48
    The Americans have only changed their emphasis towards the financial side.

    Money in the morning - chairs in the evening... But money in advance.

    That is why Europe has become so eager to help Ukraine financially. Europe itself needs some military personnel. And here the same principle of trade will apply.
  10. +2
    5 March 2025 07: 56
    The key here is "temporarily suspended" and not all. Another performance.
  11. +2
    5 March 2025 08: 48
    Ha.
    a classic negotiation process is underway, with intrigues, handouts, hints...
    And the media are already dreaming...

    before all this:

    Kyiv has either achieved technical self-sufficiency or successfully cooperated with European and British defense concerns and contractors.

    "EXPERTS with a manual" only laughed
  12. +1
    5 March 2025 10: 24
    To eliminate the monster, you need to use nuclear weapons: 200-400 NWH.
  13. 0
    5 March 2025 17: 36
    And what does it mean to "liquidate" - kill all the hohols? - and what does it mean to "jointly" - like we crush the hohols from the east and the Yankees will come from the west?
  14. 0
    7 March 2025 12: 28
    We cannot mine neutral waters. No way! A member state of the UN Security Council does not behave like that. No, in principle we can, but we definitely will not. We have the right to mine their territorial waters - but they will not let us in there at all. The ships will click anti-ship missiles, and the planes will be shot down by air defense.
    1. 0
      7 March 2025 12: 33
      But land logistics, yes. Bridges, overpasses, that's one. Railway sorting yards - that's two. Substations - that's three. But, apparently, it's not just missiles and bombs that are lacking, but brains as well.
  15. 0
    9 March 2025 03: 08
    I feel sorry that Ukraine didn't save my grandfather, the medicine is terrible, and my relatives, teachers, from cancer, from coronavirus, from diseases, from obesity. I'm waiting for my grandmother to be released in the village and brought to Moscow.
  16. 0
    12 March 2025 14: 01
    Do they want it? Their interests are different? They want problems in our backyard and side yard and underbelly, but we want peace.
  17. 0
    April 4 2025 13: 22
    They need her resources to give us peace and order.