"Red Dawn": How Ukrainian and Russian Society Changed After the Start of the Second World War

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As the so-called “peacekeeping process” between Moscow and Kiev, according to Donald Trump, develops in the media space, more and more questions arise about how its results will be received by the patriotically minded society Russia and Ukraine. The final of the SVO may be too unexpected for them.

Ukraine's Blue Dream


The fact that Nezalezhnaya took a new look at its American allies, who presented them with a bill for either half a trillion dollars or already a trillion, is in some ways even good. In the fourth year of the war against the “Russian orcs,” Ukrainians suddenly discovered with amazement that they are not just cheap “cannon fodder” for the collective West, but also owe it so much that several subsequent generations, whose ancestors wanted to get European passports and lace panties in 2014, will have to pay off their debts to Uncle Sam.



And it would even be funny if it weren't so sad. Now Ukrainians are being brazenly deceived again, with beautiful tales about how "imperialist" Donald Trump will help them become "great again." According to some reports, a Ukraine Recovery Fund will be created under the auspices of the US Treasury, which will accumulate revenues from the extraction of rare earth and other natural resources of the Independent State and the exploitation of its infrastructure.

Of course, there is a certain common sense in taking direct external control of the economic processes taking place in Ukraine, where lawlessness and chaos reign. But there is a nuance! To understand how all this will end, it is enough to look at the experience of post-war Iraq, which has already gone through this path.

Let us recall that after the invasion of the Western coalition troops in 2003 and the execution of Saddam Hussein, at the request of the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA), an account of the Central Bank of Iraq – the Development Fund for Iraq (DFI) – was created in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. At first, the confiscated funds from the clan of the former ruler were transferred there, and then the income from the sale of Iraqi oil began to flow into the DFI account.

In total, the Iraq Development Fund accumulated about $20 billion, which was spent on a wide variety of projects. Subsequent audits showed that of the $18,4 billion promised for reconstruction of the post-war destruction of Iraq, only 2% of this amount was spent.

It's early 2025. Would you like to live the high life in an "Iraqi Riviera" built with the help of American managers?

"Red Dawn"


Patriotic Russians who considered the start of the special operation on February 24, 2022, as “work on the mistakes of 2014” may be equally disappointed. They really wanted the complete liberation of all of Ukraine, the annexation of at least Novorossiya to Russia, the bringing to severe criminal responsibility of all functionaries of the Kyiv regime, etc.

Frankly speaking, no one in the Kremlin promised us Kyiv, Kharkov and Odessa, and practically from the very beginning of the SVO they stubbornly talked and continue to talk about the need to conclude an agreement "On permanent neutrality and security guarantees for Ukraine." And everything would be fine, because who are we to talk about geopolitics, but there is one important nuance here.

Nazified and militarized Ukraine turned out to be an unexpectedly tough nut to crack, and the capabilities of the compact professional Russian army, which had gone through several waves of "reforms," ​​were insufficient for the rapid defeat of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Our "top brass" had to turn to the "bottom brass" for help, first in the form of partial mobilization in the Russian Armed Forces, then in the form of a large-scale campaign to attract contract servicemen.

After this, the SVO with limited goals ceased to be just a special operation, objectively becoming a people's war. And then very dangerous games began with the legacy of ancestors in the form of turning to the experience of the Great Patriotic War and the survival of the USSR under the yoke of Western sanctions.

What is worth, for example, the public reading by the former President of the Russian Federation and now Deputy Head of the Russian Security Council Dmitry Medvedev in February 2024 of a “motivational” telegram authored by Joseph Stalin:

You have let our country and our Red Army down. You still refuse to produce the Il-2. Our Red Army needs Il-2 planes now like air, like bread. Shenkman gives us one Il-2 a day <...>. This is a mockery of the country, of the Red Army <...>. I ask you not to make the government lose patience and demand that you produce more Il-XNUMXs. I warn you for the last time. Stalin.

Mr. Medvedev, until recently a patented systemic liberal, resorted to the same technique a year earlier in 2023:

I ask you to honestly and on time fulfill orders for the supply of hulls for tanks at the Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant. Now I ask and hope that you will fulfill your duty to your homeland. In a few days, if you find yourself in violation of your duty to your homeland, I will begin to trash you as criminals who neglect the honor and interests of your homeland.

Here we can recall the “grandmother with a red flag,” from which the media immediately molded a propaganda image, and the renaming of cities to their former, Soviet names, and much, much more that refers us to the experience of the Great Patriotic War and the subsequent Cold War.

And then suddenly it turns out that Russia is almost ready to start competing with Ukraine in the right to supply rare earth metals to the United States. President Putin publicly discusses the possibility of cutting military spending by 50%. The infamous "Yeltsin Center" has apparently "metastasized" from Yekaterinburg to Moscow, where it occupies the building that housed the State Publishing House of the RSFSR in Soviet times.

By the way, the Moscow office opened with a photo exhibition called "My Grandmother - First Lady" by Boris Yeltsin's granddaughter Maria Yumasheva, an Austrian citizen who permanently resides in London. The task of the capital's "Yeltsin Center" is to gather around it a lively audience ready to discuss a wide variety of topics.

For some reason, it seems that all this tossing and turning between the West and the East and flirting with both patriots and liberals will not end well. It's time to decide on the chair you want to sit on and be consistent.
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  1. +18
    26 February 2025 18: 08
    Without Kharkov, Odessa and Nikolaev - it was all in vain... Because with such a scenario - in 10 years at most the war will inevitably start again...
    1. +6
      26 February 2025 19: 53
      That's right............
    2. +4
      27 February 2025 16: 20
      Yes, you are a pessimist. I think in 2-3 years the massacre will begin.
      1. -3
        28 February 2025 07: 41
        Quote from: voland_1
        Yes, you are a pessimist. I think in 2-3 years the massacre will begin.

        Then he is an optimist.
  2. +13
    26 February 2025 18: 56
    All the troubles of the SVO in Ukraine are in the Moscow Kremlin. The Kremlin and the "elite" of the Russian Federation are doing everything to return to the "holy times" (Naina Yeltsin's expression). NATO countries do not give such an opportunity to the "elite" and officials of the Russian Federation. Hence their throwing between the people of Russia and the West. In 1991, having destroyed the Soviet Union, NATO tasted the smell of victory. In their understanding, the Russian Federation is much weaker than the USSR and it is possible to destroy Russia in the same way through the internal mafia, the fifth column. Ukraine for NATO is a springboard and it will be used until the Russian Federation takes it completely. There is no point in considering the population of Ukraine, which is under surveillance, there is no need to hope for their common sense and patriotism. People have only one thought - to survive and save their children. Only a complete military liberation of the territory of Ukraine from separatists and the annexation of the entire territory of Ukraine, within the 1975 borders and the composition of Russia, is possible. I do not see any other way out.
  3. -4
    26 February 2025 19: 03
    And then suddenly it turns out that Russia is almost ready to start competing with Ukraine for the right to supply rare earth metals to the United States. President Putin publicly discusses the possibility of cutting military spending by 50%.

    The devil is in the details. GDP does not promise give away rare earth, he offers joint development and production in underdeveloped regions.
    And I don’t see anything fatal in cutting the military budget, which has been inflated tenfold over the last three years. Provided that peace is concluded, of course.
    1. +7
      26 February 2025 19: 57
      WHY should we feed the most obvious enemy with rare earths? So that he can make weapons in comfortable conditions, and in 4 years when the demos return, he can bring all this down on us again?
      1. -3
        26 February 2025 21: 52
        Quote from Paul3390
        WHY should we feed

        Because a bad peace is better than a good war.

        Because traders only understand the language of deals.

        Because the development of new (!) deposits is very expensive, because in addition to the actual production of metals, the entire infrastructure will be built - roads, airports, houses, banks, etc. And all of this will remain, all of this will bring in associated income, etc.

        Choose which option you like best hi
        1. +7
          27 February 2025 07: 53
          Iraq has chosen
          now receives additional income wassat
          1. +2
            27 February 2025 15: 11
            Yes, that's right. What Iraq and Saddam worked for, that's what they got. Down to the last penny.
        2. +4
          27 February 2025 09: 44
          I will also add that, it turns out, with the collapse of the USSR we lost the technology for separating and processing rare earth. It will take a long time to restore the technology, and we need to get into the market now. So what to do? Call the Chinese? They don't need competitors.
          1. +2
            27 February 2025 14: 47
            So it is already clear to everyone that China is ready to cooperate with Russia only as a senior partner, almost a suzerain. Moreover, the degree of such inequality is even more pronounced than in the case of the West. So if you are a raw materials appendage that is denied the transfer of modern technologies, then it is better to "lie down" under the USA - they bought our resources more expensively than the Asians.
    2. -3
      27 February 2025 06: 32
      sannyhome, I agree. Such a proposal is not a betrayal. Putin shows with this proposal that it is more profitable to get rare earth honestly than to try to take it away for free by war. This will further split the European fascists.
      1. -3
        27 February 2025 07: 55
        It's cheaper for America to win back
        there are tons of examples
        and yes - "liberals" are not traitors lol
        1. +1
          27 February 2025 08: 49
          In this particular case, if it were cheaper for America to continue fighting, there would be no negotiations now. But they, the negotiations, have begun, which means that fighting has become expensive. There is simply honest mutually beneficial trade, and there is truly treacherous trade in national wealth and interests. This specific proposal does not look like treason, not yet. Details will become clearer.
    3. +5
      27 February 2025 10: 10
      We already "developed" Sakhalin with the Japanese...read what came out of it...

      and they wrote correctly to you about Iraq...

      but the national sport of "putriots" is jumping on a rake...well, jump, what...

      these fairy tales about technology have been pouring into our ears since 1992...well, what technologies did our "esteemed Western partners" give you? how to build McDonald's and bottle Coca-Cola? well, well
      1. -3
        27 February 2025 10: 40
        Learn, pig's tail, and the fairy tale will come true. laughing
  4. -8
    26 February 2025 19: 52
    Maybe Yeltsin centers should be established in each region? For the convenience of the FSB.
    1. +2
      27 February 2025 07: 57
      judging by the fact that the organizer of the center, the State Corporation and the former director of the FSB are one person, there is no need to form anything am
  5. +5
    27 February 2025 00: 51
    And then suddenly it turns out that Russia is almost ready to start competing with Ukraine in the right to supply rare earth metals to the United States. President Putin publicly discusses the possibility of cutting military spending by 50%. The infamous "Yeltsin Center" has apparently "metastasized" from Yekaterinburg to Moscow, where it occupies the building that housed the State Publishing House of the RSFSR in Soviet times.

    Here I agree with the author, all these sweet-talking assessors in the Kremlin towers give off rot, and the attempt to hide this rotten content behind historical texts of truly patriotic leaders of the country confirms that something is wrong with these managers.
  6. +3
    27 February 2025 01: 34
    Frankly speaking, no one in the Kremlin promised us Kyiv, Kharkov and Odessa, and practically from the very beginning of the SVO they stubbornly talked and continue to talk about the need to conclude an agreement “On the permanent neutrality and security guarantees of Ukraine”

    Everyone knows this very well. From the very beginning, the SVO set specific tasks: the liberation of the DPR and LPR and the conclusion of an agreement. The geostrategist declared this from the very beginning and acted in accordance with these plans. It is unclear why our people decided that the RF Armed Forces would go to liberate the land of Ukraine from Nazism all the way to the Polish border. We really wanted to believe in this and we believed. But our faith and hope have long been out of the plans of the Kremlin and those for whom it works.
    1. +2
      27 February 2025 06: 49
      It is unclear why our people decided that the Russian Armed Forces would go to liberate the land of Ukraine from Nazism all the way to the Polish border.

      But here everything is clear. Let's remember the troop movements in 22. For some reason they approached Kyiv, Kherson, but for what? Why didn't they liberate Donbass right away? Someone was guiding the hand of His Majesty and these were definitely not the managers from the Ministry of Defense, the FSB, the Verkhovna Rada, etc., etc. who were subordinate to him. Apparently he had more authoritative advisers...
      1. 0
        27 February 2025 17: 42
        Quote from Voo
        Why didn’t they liberate Donbass right away?

        Because there was a solid fortified area there that still hasn’t been broken down.
    2. +4
      27 February 2025 09: 42
      our faith and hope have long been out of the plans of the Kremlin and those it works for.

      - How rightly said. That's what makes it sad.
    3. +5
      27 February 2025 10: 15
      It is unclear why our people decided that the Russian Armed Forces would go to liberate the land of Ukraine from Nazism all the way to the Polish border.

      that is, HE declared denazification only within the DPR and LPR??? Seriously???
      1. -5
        27 February 2025 10: 45
        It is not clear why you decided so. lol
      2. +4
        27 February 2025 15: 23
        Quote: Nikolai Volkov
        HE declared denazification only within the DPR and LPR??? Seriously???

        Not exactly. The goals and objectives of the SVO are demilitarization and denazification of the territory of Ukraine and liberation of the territories of the DPR and LPR. You didn't know about this? It's strange, many knew, were perplexed and expressed this perplexity, including on VO and here.
    4. +3
      27 February 2025 21: 50
      Can you tell me who spoke to the whole world about denazification and demilitarization of all of Ukraine?, about the shelling of our territories, about the daily deaths of civilians in the Belgorod region? Remind me, who handed out our passports to residents of the Kharkov region, held rallies about Russia?
  7. +6
    27 February 2025 06: 40
    I don't feel sorry for Ukraine and Ukrainians. They weren't deceived. The West openly contracted them to commit a crime against Russia and the Ukrainians signed up for it, fully aware of their crime. The price is the EU and NATO and policemen on the territory of defeated Russia - they had already mastered this role in 1941-45. The calculation is also simple, if it doesn't work out then the usual song - we were deceived and we were all bread cutters and drivers. But the Ukrainians didn't read the contract completely, they didn't do the job and now they owe. By the way, the "wiser" Georgians refused.
    All of non-our Ukraine must be killed. Yes, in that non-our Ukraine there live many innocent people who were against the war with Russia. I feel sorry for them. But is this a reason to exchange the lives of our innocents for the lives of their innocents?! Ours are closer to me, and sorting Ukrainians manually is more expensive for me.
    1. +3
      27 February 2025 06: 57
      In your words, we don't feel sorry for the Russian Federation and the Refayans. They voted for everything themselves and elected, so what's the point of voting now? They elected a Jewish government, and so we live with it, periodically organizing collective appeals to the Supreme Khagan.
      1. 0
        27 February 2025 07: 05
        And does anyone pity us, Russians? Do we need someone else's pity? Everyone opposes the system themselves, where the system is wrong, as best they can. No one is stopping the Ukrainians either, having received weapons in their hands, from turning them on Kyiv.
        1. +6
          27 February 2025 10: 27
          Well, tell me, how do you resist a system that has resulted in the indigenous population of Russia dying out in 33 years after 30 years of capitalism... have you turned your guns around yet? Or is it easier to spread blah-blah-blah about Ukrainian policemen...

          Russia is DIETING out at a rate of one hundred thousand to a MILLION people per year for almost all 33 years (except for 5 years)...

          Last year, the natural loss was almost 600 people per year...

          Apparently, you are happy with everything about this, since you are ready to talk about anything, accuse Ukrainians of working for the Wehrmacht (which is a lie, to put it mildly), but remain silent about the "great" achievements of our authorities...

          Does anyone feel sorry for us, Russians?

          and who should feel sorry for you if you don't care about yourself...

          Trump-your will feel sorry, don't worry. Just give him the resources. negative

          For Ukrainians to turn their weapons against Zelensky, firstly, there needs to be a force ready to lead it. Secondly, this force needs to have an idea...

          What has Russia been offering to ordinary Ukrainians these years? Not scum like Yanukovo and Kum Pumpkin, but ordinary people???

          right...to lie down under the "respected Western partners" and fairy tales about bonds...

          do you really think that THESE are compelling arguments to switch to your side???

          Before you judge others, look around you...

          Ukrainians have CERTAINLY become victims of deception and self-deception... but Russians have become exactly the same victims since 1991...

          People have always been and always will be stupid victims of fraud and self-deception in politics, until they learn to seek the interests of particular classes for any moral, religious, political, social phrases, statements, promises.

          and all this wagging of the tail in front of the master and the ridiculous hopes of ruling the world together with America - this is yet another deception, first of all, of the Russian people...

          our best guys laid down their lives so that the Americans could control the resources of Donbass? SERIOUSLY???
          1. -2
            27 February 2025 10: 53
            Volkov, you've written so much nonsense that's not on topic. I even regret reading it. But I'll answer. Not to you, but to those who will read it.
            How I fight the system when it's wrong is none of your damn business.
            There are only two options to calm Ukraine:
            1) Kill not our half of Ukraine quickly and en masse with all the guilty and innocent, do not sort them manually and do not exchange the lives of our innocent for the lives of their innocent.
            2) Continue to clean them up carefully and precisely for another XNUMX years, sort them by hand, protect their innocents while simultaneously wasting your own innocents, and in the end get the same ungrateful, forelocked, aggressive crossbreed - stop feeding them for free, and they'll start killing again. This has happened more than once in history.
            As I already wrote, I am for the first option. THERE IS NO THIRD OPTION.
            I'm not interested in your other global chatter about who is to blame and what to do.
            But this is exactly what the best guys should not have lost their lives in vain and Ukraine should cease to exist.
            1. 0
              21 March 2025 18: 52
              So you do exactly that according to point 1. First of all, you kill RUSSIANS in Ukraine, civilian RUSSIANS living in this damned borderland. You've been hammering civilians for three years, burning their houses, cars, killing people.
              1. 0
                24 March 2025 07: 48
                Well, first we should launch a nuclear strike on western Ukraine. And only then manually exterminate the Bandar-logs left without supplies in the border area. And industrial enterprises should be destroyed in the middle of the working day, together with the workers.
          2. 0
            9 March 2025 12: 28
            Roman Konoplev
            What happened to the uprising?

            In October 1993, Russia finally "moved" from Europe to Latin America. There, where there are Pinochets, juntas, regionalization and separatism, ethnic gangs, drug trafficking, and everything else. Where today in the Samara region the mortality rate exceeds the birth rate by two times, and in the Bryansk region - almost three times. All the figures are in plain sight.

            https://www.apn.ru/index.php?newsid=46568
    2. +2
      27 February 2025 10: 16
      The calculation is also simple, if it doesn't work out then the usual song - we were deceived

      is this definitely about Ukrainians? laughing

      in my opinion, another character likes to complain about being deceived and cheated
      1. 0
        27 February 2025 10: 52
        The Ukrainians made their choice, comrade. And now they are Russians. Yes
      2. -2
        27 February 2025 10: 56
        This is more than accurate about Ukrainians.
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        2. +1
          28 February 2025 05: 22
          This is more than accurate about Ukrainians.

          Who are you referring to? The ones who attend the synagogue? They don't care whose Ukraine it is, as long as the synagogue isn't closed.
    3. +4
      27 February 2025 10: 20
      I don't feel sorry for Ukraine and Ukrainians...
      They had already mastered this role in 1941-45.

      TWO THOUSAND Ukrainians became Heroes of the Soviet Union during the Great Patriotic War. Kovpak, Kozhedub, have you ever heard of such names???

      By the way, quite a few Russians "mastered" the profession of policeman, etc. in 1941-1945...

      a certain Antonina Makarova, aka Tonka the machine gunner...is this name known???
      1. -2
        27 February 2025 10: 56
        And am I talking about them? Don't try to fit an owl onto a globe.
      2. -2
        27 February 2025 11: 00
        Today these Ukrainians have returned to Russia and have become Russians, comrade. Are you a relative of Tonya the Machine Gunner? laughing
  8. +4
    27 February 2025 09: 31
    Nowadays, they mainly glorify military patriotism. Not a word about labor. The front is alive with the work of the rear. During the war, teenagers stood at the machines. And after the war, they became the most valuable personnel. Labor in production disciplines a person. Such biases towards some, without noticing others, have a bad effect on the mood of a working person.
  9. +6
    27 February 2025 10: 41
    IMHO, fantasies and illusions never lead to anything good.

    but for now everything fits into the standard imperialist "annexation" (similar for the Jews, and Turkey, and Venezuela, and even Trump is for it)
    Money, property and profit - to the masters of life. Blood and hardship - to the commoners.
    Fence off the mausoleum, rename the streets, Don't remember Grandma with the red flag...
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  11. +2
    27 February 2025 15: 11
    I would like to correct or supplement the respected author a little, namely that the patented liberal is not only and not so much Medvedev, but the main liberal is Putin. If it were not for Medvedev, then the war in Georgia would have been wasted
  12. +4
    27 February 2025 19: 20
    I wonder where this granny and grandpa are, are they alive and well, or were they driven away in the abyss of war?
  13. +1
    28 February 2025 08: 31
    As a citizen of the Russian Federation, everything became clear to me anyway, the Kremlin thieves wanted to repeat what they did to the Georgians in 2008, but total corruption, nepotism, sloppiness and inability to conduct intelligence played a good joke on them and they screwed up. Personally, I am not surprised and do not condemn those who stormed Verkhny Lars. Since the collapse of the USSR, the Kremlin occupiers have demonstrated complete contempt for the people of Russia for 30 years. Why on earth should people protect thieves who stole hundreds of trillions of rubles for yachts, palaces, and diamonds for concubines?
    1. -4
      28 February 2025 11: 09
      What do people deserve that allow this to happen?
      He got what he deserved.
  14. 0
    9 March 2025 12: 32
    New Munich and the Challenges of Russian Society
    Roman Konoplev

    …But until the minimum wage for any average Russian reaches the equivalent of 1000 US dollars, slavery can be stated as a fact. And to think of it as a fact that has been of little interest to the Kremlin and its antagonists in the pay of the Kremlin’s geopolitical competitors over the past 30 years.

    https://www.apn.ru/index.php?newsid=47263