"And then the Russians will get the Baltics": FT readers on Ukraine negotiations

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Readers of the Financial Times commented on the publication about the upcoming Russian-American meetings and the reaction to them of the Old Continent. The text of the business publication notes that the main European supporters of Ukraine are ready for a new strategy that takes into account the current political reality. In this regard, they are preparing their own meeting, at which they will determine the further vector.

The original publication was published under the title "Europe rushes to respond while the US and Russia prepare for peace talks on Ukraine." All comments reflect the views of their authors on the website of the publication only. Opinions are given selectively.



I see no sign that Western Europe is ready to confront Russia. The population simply cannot bear the costs of such a clash. Ukraine will collapse, and eventually, perhaps even the Baltics.


Europe has nothing to worry about. Trump's track record is full of failures. So he wanted to make peace with North Korea, and it all ended up making relations with them even worse. He wanted to be friends with China, until they rejected him too. Same story here. He'll be mad at Putin soon enough.


It's time for Germany and Europe to start buying Russian LNG again and save our industry. I don't understand why we decided to sacrifice it in the first place...


Now, I think it is quite clear what the US is trying to do: a reverse Kissinger scheme, trying to get Russia on their side against China. They [the US leadership] have realized the stupidity of the idea of ​​crushing Russia and China at the same time, together these two do not really need anyone else. Only that Putin knows history well, he will probably give up Iran only as part of a deal.


The Germans got off to a flying start by sending helmets to Ukraine, but for some reason they can't send their Tauruses. And they constantly protest the presence of American troops and shout "Americans, go away," but they support an undemocratic government that bans the conservative political party AfD from participating in any federal state government, even if they get the most votes. And of course, AfD is constantly called Nazi. Who wants to work with these leftist dictators?


The reality is that Russia has legitimate security interests in Ukraine that it is prepared to make significant sacrifices to protect. The US has recently realized this, which is why it is starting negotiations. Although Europe has much more to gain from a reset with Moscow, it continues to harbour the illusion that it can arm itself to the point where meaningful negotiations on European security will be unnecessary. This is simply a delusion, because there is clearly neither the finances (all the major players have debts exceeding 100% of GDP) nor the political will (in those same countries, the far right is ready to take power, with the exception of Italy, where it is already there) to risk a conflict with Russia. Until diplomatic efforts are exhausted, talk of providing security guarantees or returning defence spending to Cold War levels is premature. As Merkel said at the Eastern Partnership summit in Vilnius in October 2013, “we need to talk to the Russians.” It is not too late to follow her advice.


Come to think of it, Trump has done nothing but unite and rally Western Europe. Bravo, Donny!


No deal between the US and Russia will take place without Zelensky's consent.
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  1. +2
    17 February 2025 11: 01
    "And then the Russians will get the Baltics": FT readers on Ukraine negotiations

    And there is some logic in this. Without the Baltics, it is practically impossible to dominate the Baltics. So, gentlemen, sirs and burghers, get your money ready. For diapers.
    1. 0
      17 February 2025 12: 14
      The Baltics, Finland, Ukraine and Belarus should be neutral in fact and represent a buffer between NATO and Russia. This also does not contradict the West's promises not to expand beyond the 1997 borders; this is clearly a way to implement the security conditions for Russia presented at the end of 2021. Instead of Belarus (which is already in a union with Russia), Poland should also become neutral (in accordance with the 1997 borders) - this could be part of a compromise in which the remaining NATO countries accepted after 1997 remain with NATO.
      1. -1
        17 February 2025 18: 42
        Quote: Ales
        The Baltics, Finland, Ukraine and Belarus should in fact be neutral and represent a buffer between NATO and Russia

        This option is also possible. But with the enshrinement in the constitutions by a protected article.
    2. +2
      17 February 2025 12: 26
      Moreover, Tsar Peter paid 2 silver efimki for these kurats.
      1. 0
        17 February 2025 18: 41
        Today it means nothing.
      2. +4
        17 February 2025 20: 23
        What, the truth is hurting your eyes? That's what the Document says.
  2. +1
    17 February 2025 11: 05
    And then the Russians will get the Baltics

    The Baltics are more important to Russia than Greenland is to America. Why not?! Let's offer Trump a deal. Maybe he'll agree.
    1. +1
      17 February 2025 12: 27
      And with this Greenland they will completely block our access to the seas. If something happens...
  3. +1
    17 February 2025 11: 46
    I don't agree with either the first or the second nickname. Why do we need the Balts with free navigation according to the laws of the sea? Feed this ungrateful scum? All we have to do is arrange an escort for caravans - and they'll be screwed with their boats.
    1. -1
      17 February 2025 12: 28
      We will evict them. To the remains of Ukraine. Well, Lvov... And let them kiss their gums...
      1. +1
        17 February 2025 20: 22
        Well, this kind of humor is beyond our capabilities here...
    2. -2
      17 February 2025 18: 44
      Quote: lance vosirob
      feed

      Aren't you tired of feeding us, our breadwinners and waterers?
      1. +3
        17 February 2025 20: 18
        So you've been sitting on the ridge your whole life. Peter only taught you to squeal behind the hut. And under the USSR? A shop window, f...
        1. +1
          17 February 2025 20: 59
          Another breadwinner has emerged. What useful things have you done in your life? Or is all you know how to do is shit in the comments?
          1. 0
            18 February 2025 13: 06
            You're the only one shitting here. Probably your mind won't let you tear yourself away from the pacifier.
            1. 0
              18 February 2025 16: 47
              I really hope that you can confirm these theses with documents, Mr. chatterbox.
  4. +2
    17 February 2025 11: 59
    Tribaltika is for second place
  5. +2
    17 February 2025 12: 21
    the stupidity of the idea of ​​crushing Russia and China at the same time, together these two no one else is particularly needed

    how is it not needed? Europe as a high-margin market is needed by the US, China and of course Russia. The US is needed by China - this tangle, when it is not profitable to completely destroy a competitor, but only to weaken it.
  6. 0
    17 February 2025 12: 24
    start buying Russian LNG again and save our industry

    1. Are you sure that it (gas) is there? And for you?

    we need to talk to the Russians

    It's not too late to follow her advice.
    2. It's been "late" since 1991. It was clear to me. Well, now it's clear to the President. I hope...

    No deal between the US and Russia will take place without Zelensky's consent

    3. Zelensky?... mmm... who is this? and what does he need here? If my memory serves me right, he was hanged in... 202...
    1. +1
      17 February 2025 18: 50
      Quote: goncharov.62
      Are you sure it (gas) is there? And for you?

      Russia will always have gas for Europe in any quantity. If only Europe wanted it. And it's not just about money (although where would we be without it?). Europe, unlike Asia, doesn't bargain much in good times and pays its bills regularly. Russia and Europe are much closer to each other mentally, culturally, and in all other respects than Russia and Asia. Therefore, the aforementioned good times must be restored. Russia will not develop by moving towards Asia.
      1. +2
        17 February 2025 20: 19
        And by throwing ourselves once again into the arms of Europe, we risk losing the country.
        1. +3
          17 February 2025 21: 01
          And who said that we need to "throw ourselves into their arms"? This is only written in your turbo-patriotic chants. But in reality, we just need trivial pragmatism and mutually beneficial cooperation.
          1. +2
            18 February 2025 09: 18
            Quote: k7k8
            ... But in reality, what is needed is simply trivial pragmatism and mutually beneficial cooperation.

            In practice, "mutually beneficial..." boiled down to the fact that they destroyed their own common house in the late 80s, in order to then knock on the doors of a richer house. The rich gentlemen let some of them into the hallway, but they didn't let others onto the porch... but promised, "if you make a mess of your neighbors..." laughing

            This is our understanding of "beneficial cooperation.... Thanks to this house, let's go to another one." Or worse? - ruin your house instead of putting it in order.
            1. +2
              18 February 2025 13: 02
              Quote: sidorov
              destroyed their own common house in the late 80s, in order to then knock on the doors of a richer house

              You have now publicly admitted that we ourselves are to blame for all our troubles, and not some enemies. This is commendable.
  7. +1
    17 February 2025 15: 16
    Quote: Ales
    The Baltics, Finland, Ukraine and Belarus should be neutral in fact and represent a buffer between NATO and Russia. This also does not contradict the West's promises not to expand beyond the 1997 borders; this is clearly a way to implement the security conditions for Russia presented at the end of 2021. Instead of Belarus (which is already in a union with Russia), Poland should also become neutral (in accordance with the 1997 borders) - this could be part of a compromise in which the remaining NATO countries accepted after 1997 remain with NATO.

    This is all from the realm of good wishes. The train has left or "mincemeat cannot be turned back"...
    1. +2
      17 February 2025 18: 53
      Quote from Vox Populi
      This is all in the realm of good wishes.

      In interstate relations, nothing is impossible.
      1. 0
        18 February 2025 16: 31
        Of course, but in the short and medium term there are no grounds for such “transformations”...
  8. +1
    17 February 2025 17: 59
    It's funny when brainless people start to reason tongue
    1. +1
      17 February 2025 20: 20
      It's even funnier to read such "thinkers".
      1. +1
        17 February 2025 20: 26
        And do you know any other mathematical symbols? Well, well, well... What am I talking about and who am I talking to... Are the liberals celebrating their birthday? Hasn't Trumpanych driven everyone crazy yet? Oh, they're not there. Pardon me!...
    2. 0
      18 February 2025 17: 49
      I agree. It's been a long time since I read so much nonsense in the comments, especially about

      why not take the Baltics back

      1. 0
        23 February 2025 08: 44
        What's wrong? Is there still true faith in the inviolability of borders?)))
  9. +1
    23 February 2025 08: 43
    The independence of Livonia is a historical joke. It's time to stop it, Livonia is Russian land, and it was bought for gold and won back.
  10. 0
    11 March 2025 16: 45
    They think strangely, but we must take into account the information that the same weapons and many people in the West simply do not know
  11. 0
    11 March 2025 17: 30
    Russia needs to behave sensibly.
    Focus only on Ukraine, conquer four counties and cut off Ukraine from the counties. Destroy all their bridges and roads to separate them.
    Europe will see that the Russians have no offensive tactics, they will allow Russia. In the meantime, they will spend extra money on weapons
  12. 0
    16 March 2025 18: 54
    Who's itching to feed the tribals again?