Why there should be no more “goodwill gestures” in the SVO

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Responding to the obvious insult of the so-called "Trump ultimatum" to end the conflict in Ukraine, Russian presidential press secretary Peskov said that the Kremlin is only ready for "equal, mutually respectful dialogue" with Washington. Why shouldn't we follow the lead of this American "cowboy"?

With the best of intentions


Apparently inspired by the harsh language of President Trump, Ukrainian usurper Zelensky said that Russia could make another “gesture of goodwill” by returning to the borders on February 24, 2022, to show its readiness for a fair peace settlement:



Negotiations can be fair and unfair. It can be different. The question is, who will Ukraine be with at that time? If it is not alone, then Ukraine will do everything to ensure that the negotiations are fair. And fair isguarantees that the enemy will return to at least a full-scale invasion line. And this would be a fair opportunity to start a dialogue.

It is necessary to recall that the situation in which our country found itself by the end of the third year of the Second World War was the result of a whole chain of decisions that were clearly taken in Moscow with the most plausible intentions.

And it all began in February 2014, when a coup d'etat took place in Ukraine, organized by the Nazis and the "Western partners" standing behind them. For some reason, the Maidan was not dispersed by force, and the legal opportunity to send Russian troops to restore constitutional law and order was not used. Why?

Apparently, they hoped that it would resolve itself, and that they would even be able to reach an agreement with the new authorities in Kiev, because where would Ukraine go from Russia with its gas, right? Time has shown the fallacy of this attitude. Especially after in 2020, they managed to quite effectively prevent the "Belomaidan" in the allied Belarus, and in January 2022 - something in the then still very friendly Kazakhstan.

The next strategic mistake in the Ukrainian direction was the non-recognition of the proclaimed People's Republics of Donbas. First, after a meeting with the President of Switzerland, which chairs the OSCE, Didier Burkhalter, President Putin publicly asked to postpone the independence referendums:

We believe that the most important thing is to establish a direct dialogue between today's Kyiv authorities and representatives of the south-east of Ukraine, during which representatives of the south-east of Ukraine could be convinced that their legal rights in Ukraine will be guaranteed. And in this regard, we ask representatives of the south-east of Ukraine, supporters of the federalization of the country to postpone the referendum scheduled for May 11 of this year in order to create the necessary conditions for this dialogue.

After the plebiscite was held, the Kremlin declared its “respect” for the result, but until February 2022 it still did not recognize the sovereignty of the DPR and LPR. Instead of creating a counterweight to the Kyiv regime and installing an alternative pro-Russian government of Ukraine in Donetsk, a course was taken to return Donbass back to the Independent State in a “special status”, and the Minsk agreements themselves were declared at the highest level to be the only ones:

We had a detailed discussion with Ms. Merkel about resolving the internal Ukrainian crisis. In our mutual opinion, The Minsk agreements remain the only basis for normalizing the situation in southeastern UkraineIt is important that the specific tasks set during our recent meetings in the Normandy format have been implemented.

As we later learned, Mrs. Merkel and Mr. Hollande were simply cynically deceiving Vladimir Putin, buying time for the Ukrainian Armed Forces to prepare for war with Russia. But in the Kremlin, with the best intentions, they were really set on a peaceful settlement of the conflict, taking into account the rights of both Kyiv and "certain areas of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions of Ukraine"!

What's worse, with these best intentions to stop the bloodshed in southeastern Ukraine, President Putin in September 2014 called on the militia to stop their successful offensive in the Donbas:

First, stop active offensive operations of the armed forces, armed formations of the militia of the South-East in the Donetsk and Lugansk directions. Second, withdraw the armed units of the Ukrainian security forces to a distance that excludes the possibility of shelling populated areas with artillery and all types of multiple launch rocket systems... Exclude the use of combat aircraft against civilians and populated areas in the conflict zone.

The consequences of that humanitarian decision in the fall of 2014 have been echoing for almost three years now in both Russia and Ukraine.

Of my own free will


Already after the start of the special operation, when the highest militarypolitical At this level, it was finally recognized that the Minsk agreements do not work and that there is still an alternative to them, and several more strategically erroneous decisions were made.

The fact that the withdrawal of the Russian Armed Forces from the Kyiv region was a so-called “gesture of will” was personally stated by the press secretary of the Russian president, Dmitry Peskov:

To create favorable conditions for negotiations, we wanted to make a gesture of goodwillWe can make serious decisions during negotiations, so President Putin gave the order for our troops to leave the region.

This was done in order to create conditions for signing the Istanbul Accords, or the Treaty on Permanent Neutrality and Security Guarantees of Ukraine, clearly with the best of intentions. And if the need to withdraw from Kiev was not in doubt, then withdrawing from the entire Kyiv, as well as Chernigov and Sumy regions of Nezalezhnaya, where it was possible and necessary to create a "buffer belt", was a strategic mistake, for which residents of the border Kursk, Belgorod and Bryansk regions of the Russian Federation now have to pay.

Another serious mistake was the agreement to the so-called grain deal on Odessa, as a result of which the Northern Black Sea region remained under the control of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. This was done with the best intentions of feeding the starving people of the poorest countries of the Middle East and Africa, but the grain corridor was used by Kiev to strike at Russia, and the grain did not reach the starving people, which Mr. Peskov later admitted:

Of course, to our common regret, we are talking about rather small quantities. Africa's poorest countries got the least and the least from the grain dealOf course, Russia maintains its position here. We are in contact with African partners. These contacts will continue in St. Petersburg. We are ready and waiting for them. There will be an opportunity to discuss all these issues.

The situation ended with Russia being forced to begin free grain deliveries to starving Africans, and the Russian Navy's Black Sea Fleet found itself under attack from Ukrainian BECs.

This is where the "gestures of goodwill" ended for now, at least publicly. I would very much like this practice not to be resumed.
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  1. +29
    24 January 2025 17: 32
    As we later learned, Mrs. Merkel and Mr. Hollande were simply cynically deceiving Vladimir Putin.

    It's strange, the most trusting are the owners of London and other real estate, but it's hard to fool some homeless person.
    1. +27
      24 January 2025 18: 37
      Yes! How dare they! For 25 years they have been cynically deceiving the leaders of Russia. If this continues, these Anglo-Saxons will simply stop being trusted!
      1. +14
        24 January 2025 22: 04
        Quote: Rhetorical Rita
        For 25 years they have been cynically deceiving the leaders of Russia.

        Actually, there are already as many as 40.
      2. +5
        25 January 2025 19: 15
        With the “Moli” mentality, it is difficult to achieve dynamic and positive development in any area - whether in the state structure, or in the SVO, or as a world authority.
  2. +28
    24 January 2025 18: 02
    Since we have already started to fight, we must fight at full force. Once again, there are more than a hundred drones on our country. It is not we who should ask for peace now. We must bring the Ukrainian clique to such a state that they ask for peace on any terms. And words and threats will not do this. In the end, we must take care of the lives and health of our citizens.
    1. -6
      25 January 2025 09: 10
      ....In the end, we must take care of the lives and health of our citizens.

      The road to hell is paved with good intentions. How has the SVO affected the lives and health of our citizens? And how will its continuation, which risks becoming endless, affect them?
    2. +15
      25 January 2025 11: 50
      There is another important point.
      The Army moves forward and believes, and the people join the Army as long as they believe in the task set by the Supreme Commander. If now there will be a rollback from the tasks, a return to the original and collusion - after that I don't think that anyone will understand and forgive the bloodshed and the lost lives of comrades in arms. Any refusal of the set tasks and collusion will simply affect the Army's desire to go into battle for such leadership.
    3. +4
      25 January 2025 14: 05
      Who should we take care of? The citizens themselves? Well, the ruling class has not been particularly concerned about the lives and health of citizens in recent decades (remember their statements "The state does not owe you anything", "the state did not ask you to give birth", etc.), why should they care now? They have always been concerned about investments and the endless opportunity to export resources from the country. I do not remember a single speech that talked about what needs to be done to make people's lives easier and better.
  3. +41
    24 January 2025 18: 35
    There are no gestures of goodwill - there is weakness, stupidity, incompetence, which is passed off as something significant.
    1. +10
      25 January 2025 04: 19
      I agree.
      Very often...very often, in the highest echelons of power, incompetence in certain matters is passed off as a gesture of goodwill.
      It seems that many (from the top echelon) want to sit on two chairs at once: a Firm politician, a real Russian and a Great Peacemaker.
      It doesn't happen that way. You're either Mars or Mercury.
    2. +6
      25 January 2025 13: 06
      Indecisiveness and spinelessness are the root of all troubles; we are always afraid of something, lest something happen; our enemies take advantage of our cowardice and weakness of will.
    3. +11
      25 January 2025 14: 11
      But I have a different vision, these "gestures of goodwill" (at the expense of the lives of Russian soldiers) are not weakness, not stupidity, and not incompetence, but the solution of some of their own problems and interests. That is, they are up to their own tricks, and when the people ask "what is actually going on", they tell the tale "they led us by the nose, they deceived us". No one in their right mind would claim that the leadership of the Russian Federation are some kind of gullible suckers who can be deceived by anyone, therefore they are lying when they say that they were deceived.
  4. +7
    24 January 2025 18: 45
    Ukrainian BEKs blew up two tankers with fuel oil? And the captains will be jailed...and the lawyers are silent.
    1. +6
      24 January 2025 19: 04
      The investigation is not yet complete. There will certainly be a Ukrainian trace
    2. +10
      24 January 2025 19: 58
      Tankers with fuel oil have no place in the Kerch Strait, nor in the Black and Azov Seas. This is the stupidity and greed of oligarchs. It must be categorically banned.
      1. -4
        24 January 2025 22: 34
        But I think that tankers have a place there. If there is a loading terminal, then why can't a tanker sail there? Who is right?
        1. 0
          24 January 2025 22: 51
          Are there not enough examples of nature destruction for you? They are still cleaning the shores from fuel oil. And how much more is on the bottom and in the depths of sea currents? Birds and sea animals are dying. Think about it yourself.
        2. +3
          25 January 2025 13: 54
          Tankers, and any other vessels, may only sail where their class, established by the classification society and according to whose requirements the vessels are built, allows. The class of the vessel sets restrictions on navigation areas, weather conditions and cargo carried... In this case, these requirements were violated and the vessels found themselves in weather conditions that they do not comply with... The result is natural. Here, the fault of the operator and the shipowner is obvious, the captain who carried out an unlawful order and the harbor master who did not provide a place of refuge for the vessels that found themselves in unfavorable conditions due to the violation of the rules...
          1. 0
            25 January 2025 15: 04
            If my memory serves me right, somewhere in the media it was said that the wrecked tanker had been modernized. Its hull had been shortened by the length of the cylindrical insert from the bow. The conclusion is that the designer had put the comma in the wrong place in his calculations.
        3. 0
          26 January 2025 17: 22
          then why can't a tanker sail there? Who is right?

          Shit "floats" in the ice hole...
      2. +4
        24 January 2025 22: 43
        There are no tankers there, but self-propelled river-sea barges.
        They are breaking on the wave..
        The keel is not powerful and the ride is poor, and it is brittle across.
        The sea is keelboats - barges are the river.
        1. -5
          25 January 2025 00: 09
          Keels can be strengthened with keelsons! Speed ​​can be increased by replacing the diesel with a gas turbine! An armor belt can be installed from the BEKs along the waterline! And to prevent them from breaking "acrosswise" you need to install an "antilombre".
          Thanks for the comment, Solomon. A clear example of how corporals, sitting on their couches, criticize generals. And retired captains give a description of the activities of the General Staff.
          1. +3
            25 January 2025 09: 24
            And machine gun towers around the perimeter!!!
            Those three troughs of fuel oil that were released into the Sea of ​​Azov should have been melted down long ago, and not thrown into the stormy sea.
            He didn't receive the rank of corporal and didn't rise to captain.
          2. +3
            25 January 2025 13: 23
            A clear example of how corporals, sitting on their sofas, criticize generals. And retired captains give a description of the activities of the General Staff

            Yes, I criticize the generals from the couch. For example, the Air Force generals who command aviation that cannot fly over Ukraine. How are they going to fight NATO? Does it mean that they can only hope for nuclear weapons? NATO will crush us not with quadcopters, but with powerful aviation.
        2. +3
          25 January 2025 14: 01
          Solom, sailing yachts can be keeled. Barges, river and sea vessels always have a keel, but unlike a keeled yacht, it is simply a horizontal steel strip along the bottom along the entire length of the vessel. The construction of the entire vessel or its section during sectional assembly of the hull begins with the keel. And by and large, the keel has an insignificant significance for the strength of the hull, which is provided by the longitudinal and transverse set and sheathing.
          1. +3
            25 January 2025 14: 57
            I gave a plus because the answer is professionally accurate and will help those for whom Solomon is an "authority" not to be misled by his comment.
            To your comment, for clarity, I can add that, when calculating the strength, the hull of a ship is represented by a beam with a variable cross-sectional area along the length of the hull. (Like an I-beam with different-sized shelves)
  5. +22
    24 January 2025 19: 11
    Who made "Goodwill Gestures" in the SVO? V.V. Putin. The question arises why, for what purpose. Most people know the answer. There will be more "Goodwill Gestures", they will be if the Russian "elite" is offered a guarantee for stolen wealth and power.
    1. +12
      24 January 2025 19: 21
      Moreover, V.V. Putin himself said that everything was going according to a pre-approved plan. Was that the plan?
      1. +1
        24 January 2025 22: 46
        The plan was smoked, but the plan was correct and sensible.
  6. +16
    24 January 2025 20: 11
    the last 25 years have been a continuous series of "mistakes, mistakes, deceptions" and so on and so forth. well, if there is no desire to govern a large country, maybe you need to do something else? otherwise, it all looks like a deliberate betrayal...
    1. -10
      24 January 2025 22: 36
      And who does everything perfectly? Or is there a reason for anti-Russian propaganda?
      1. +8
        24 January 2025 22: 52
        Only those who do nothing make no mistakes.. but when there are only mistakes, it makes you think.. and read the opinions of people in the chat... are they all "anti-Russian propagandists"? I'm tired of it when the destruction of the country occurs under pseudo-patriotic rites..

        it’s a shame for my power

        1. -2
          25 January 2025 09: 38
          And he who does nothing rests peacefully in the cemetery.
  7. +7
    24 January 2025 20: 13
    I support the author, henceforth the highest authorities of the Russian Federation should not make any more "gestures of good will" in the SVO. It is necessary to firmly, in the Stalinist manner, defend the interests of our country and its citizens. No "deals" or agreements, it is necessary to achieve a complete victory in the SVO, to force the Nazis of the Kyiv regime to capitulate unconditionally.
    1. +14
      24 January 2025 20: 28
      Uva, this is not possible with citizen VVP, after three years it’s time to understand this, and if we take into account 2014 and the drain of Novorossiya, it is clear that this citizen has neither strategic thinking nor the desire to take responsibility.
      1. -17
        24 January 2025 22: 37
        Kaklopropaganda in action
      2. 0
        24 January 2025 22: 57
        The judge's robe has already been tried on and the verdict has been passed -

        Quote: Alex Samoletov
        there is no strategic thinking or desire to take responsibility.

        The chess player miscalculated his strength and skill. In addition, they started playing Chapaev and adding figures...
        Don't you find it ?????
        1. +6
          25 January 2025 09: 39
          Three years later, the chess player realized that they were playing basketball with him...
          1. -1
            25 January 2025 12: 22
            They throw it over the hip in many moves!
            And the board for other purposes...doesn't it smell like chess???
            But there is hope!
            1. 0
              26 January 2025 05: 08
              Wow!!!! Wow, wow, wow!!!!
        2. 0
          25 January 2025 14: 34
          Solomon, I am sure that many smarter than us, watching the chess players from the audience, do not know the outcome of the game. You have to be at least a "candidate for master" to correctly assess the chances of the parties. But I know that true patriots worry about THEIR chess player, even if his position is weaker. In the foreseeable future, he will have to play many games and it would be right to wish us that the skill of our player grows and the support of the rear grows stronger. It is extremely low to "boo" in the back of a loser, ... even an opponent. A person will honorably support the loser's right to an easy death, compassionately and with dignity. So, what kind of person are you, Solomon, and who is your chess player???
      3. -8
        25 January 2025 01: 03
        By making a historic decision on the need to conduct the SVO, the President prepared Russia for long-term military operations. And he gave us the opportunity to comment on the events taking place, express our own opinions, wishes, show emotions and wish our fighters to live and wait for victory. Monuments and museum centers were erected to Gorbachev and Yeltsin - degenerates of filthy wombs - for destroying the enormous legacy passed on to us by our ancestors, squandering territories and the respect of the rest of the world for the power of our powerful Motherland. Putin has already returned Crimea and 4 Novorossiysk regions to their native harbor. And what have you done for Russia? What gives you the right to insult and be obscene?
        1. +7
          25 January 2025 12: 13
          Putin has already returned Crimea and 4 Novorossiysk regions to their native harbor. And what have you done for Russia? What gives you the right to insult and be obscene?

          And he also lost Sudzha, drove the country under sectoral sanctions, destroyed industry with his managers, killed a bunch of Russian men for no reason, drove migrants into the country to replace them, and created the conditions for the next war with Ukraine, which will be even more terrible.

          The President, having made a historic decision on the need to conduct the SVO, prepared Russia for long-term military operations.

          True, but what exactly does this preparation consist of, can you give more details?
          1. -6
            25 January 2025 21: 26
            I remember how on TV Yeltsin recommended Putin to the Russians as his successor.
            Having won the elections and headed the country, he became, as it were, "one of our own among strangers." This is my opinion.
            I hope now he is "one of his own". And the "fifth column" will sooner or later "go down the toilet".
          2. -1
            25 January 2025 22: 18
            I cannot comment PROFESSIONALLY on the reproaches and confident doubts you have expressed, because I have only superficial knowledge. I try to restrain my emotions and not "denigrate" people indiscriminately, seeing the destroyed factories, broken highways, the failure in the defense of the Kursk border and much more. What benefit can there be if I become "hysterical like a woman" and infect others with my hysteria?
            Why do I think Putin is prepared for war? I will answer this way. If I lived isolated from the events happening in the world, and then, by chance, someone told me that Russia has been at war with the united West for the third year, I would not believe it. This is my opinion.
        2. 0
          28 January 2025 02: 46
          And was the Yeltsin Center started up by dampness or was it built with government money? And who called Solzhenitsyn's slanderer "the conscience of the nation"? And who is the fascist philosopher Ivan Ilyin a favorite, so much so that a school was opened in his honor under the leadership of Dugin?
      4. 0
        25 January 2025 13: 13
        Alex Samoletov, I see you have all of this in abundance!!!
    2. -2
      24 January 2025 22: 48
      With an iron hand - iron and firm!
      Armor is strong and our tanks are fast
      And our people are full of courage???
    3. +6
      25 January 2025 14: 34
      Citizen, we have a capitalist state, and in a capitalist state the president represents the interests of big capital, not the people!!! But a capitalist has no homeland or people, only financial interests!
      1. -4
        25 January 2025 22: 35
        The President is responsible for the country and works for the good of the state.
        A capitalist is also a human being and has the right to be a citizen “no worse than us.”
        1. +3
          27 January 2025 18: 18
          That's right - it works for the benefit of the capitalist state, in which the interests of representatives of big capital (whose interests are often directly opposed to the interests of the majority of the population) are most important, and not teachers, doctors, workers and others... He may be a citizen, but they probably all have more than one citizenship. And I haven't seen any news that representatives of big business did something for the same SVO... In 2022, Putin asked them for 280 billion, they assembled a Council, met for more than a year, and responded that this amount was too large in such difficult times and offered to reduce it to 70 billion rubles, saying they were ready to discuss such an amount... Well, they are still discussing it
    4. +1
      26 January 2025 17: 57
      It is necessary to firmly, in the Stalinist manner, defend the interests of our country and its citizens. No "deals" or agreements, we must achieve a complete victory in the SVO, force the Nazis of the Kyiv regime to capitulate unconditionally.

      ...and other blah-blah-blah...For everything good - against everything bad...Hurray-ya-ya-ya...
      In the meantime:
      "Slyusar came to Semikarakorsk because of sand and fuel oil from Anapa" (article title).

      The head of the Rostov region came to Semikarakorsk to meet with locals because of the noise. Some of the sand contaminated with fuel oil from the Krasnodar region has already been brought to the private landfill.

      The decision to bring contaminated sand to a deliberately unprepared site was not agreed upon with us. And we will not allow another environmental disaster to occur. Such an attitude towards the Rostov Region and the residents of the Don is unacceptable.

      Now the entrance to the landfill for trucks with sand is closed. And it will be closed in the future, Yuriy Slyusar promised the people. He gave the order to organize a police duty. Residents will also organize public control.

      Now in Semikarakorsk a problem has appeared out of nowhere. They will think about what to do with the sand that has already been delivered. Operational measures are already being taken to prevent environmental pollution.

      https://shahty.ru/news/news_33240.html
      This time, the bourgeois government failed to do it quietly...
      Let them compact the platforms in their palaces...

      The consequences of the wreck of two tankers that were not designed for sailing on the open sea, and therefore the storm easily broke them, we have yet to assess. The danger of the fuel oil spilled in the Black Sea is its density, equal to the density of water or heavier. Therefore, it does not float on the surface as a toxic liquid, but goes to the bottom, poisoning everything around. All that remains is to collect what the surf washes ashore. Similar catastrophes have not yet occurred in the world, humanity has no experience in such situations.

      Now many resources are quoting an excerpt from an interview with the scientific director of the Institute of Water Problems of the Russian Academy of Sciences Viktor Danilov-Danilyan to RBC: he allegedly said that it will take 15-20 years to restore the ecosystem after the fuel oil spill off the coast of Anapa. Therefore, you should not trust tour operators who will lure tourists to resorts: swimming in such water can lead to burns and eczema.

      tsargrad.tv/articles/katastrofa-lakmusovaja-bumazhka-dlja-sistemy-kto-dolzhen-ujti-so-svoego-posta-posle-razliva-mazuta-v-chernom-more_1132833
  8. +9
    24 January 2025 20: 23
    Quote: Rusa
    we need to achieve complete victory in the SVO

    If the highest authorities of the Russian Federation, about which you write, have not yet achieved this "complete victory in the SVO", then there are two options - they can't or they don't want to. Which option do you think it is?
    1. -1
      24 January 2025 20: 41
      Zodiak, who in the Russian Federation would refuse victory? Only the fifth column,
      including collaborators, foreign agents, traitors and other internal enemies. So, they can't do it yet or they're dragging their feet.
      After all, people are judged by their actions, not by their words.
      1. +5
        24 January 2025 21: 17
        So. They can't. Now the question: when you started SVO, did you think that you could achieve all the goals quickly or did you initially plan to take 3 years or even more?
        1. +6
          24 January 2025 21: 22
          As they started 3 years ago, they should have started much earlier, and not concluded the "Minsk agreements". The Supreme Commander himself said this and the author of this publication reminded us.
          1. +8
            24 January 2025 21: 29
            If they were preparing from 2014 to 2022, but they still haven't prepared and it's been dragging on for 3 years already, and with territorial losses, then if they had started right away in 2014, then prices in Russia would already be in hryvnia, don't you think? Everyone sees the state of the army, military industry and economy. And everyone understands that it shouldn't be like this. But who has been really punished in 3 years (except Strelkov-Girkin) and what has fundamentally changed? And is the situation improving? A year has passed, the date has changed, nothing has changed!
            1. -9
              24 January 2025 21: 37
              In the West, they believe that the Russian Armed Forces are currently ranked second in the world after the United States, and that they have no equal in combat experience.
              1. +9
                24 January 2025 21: 50
                If this is so, as you write, then why can't they finish the SVO "or are dragging their feet" - as you write yourself? Why does the second army in the world have problems with everything - with personnel (contracts are already 4 million, assistants are coming from the DPRK), with equipment, weapons, clothing and food (look at how much money is constantly being raised for everything), there are constant scandals in the army, and the result is some destroyed villages and "losses"? Haven't you thought about this?
                1. -9
                  24 January 2025 22: 35
                  Changes are happening, maybe not as fast as we would like. However, it should be taken into account that the Russian Federation does not conduct a general mobilization as during the Great Patriotic War, the Russian army does not strike the civilian population and peaceful objects of the enemy.
              2. +2
                24 January 2025 22: 25
                They thought the same way in 22nd year too... and in the first days not only did they not talk about deliveries of tanks or planes, but they also moved out the embassies...

                how it was in reality is remembered by those who were interested in the topic a little more deeply than the reports of Sladkov-Poddubny...

                all these shot columns, destroyed equipment of elite units...
              3. +2
                25 January 2025 13: 37
                Currently, the Russian Armed Forces are ranked second in the world after the United States, and they have no equal in combat experience.

                Yes, in terms of combat experience in using quadcopters, using tanks as self-propelled guns, firing NURS from a pitched position, we have no equal. Only Ukraine is not far behind.
            2. +13
              24 January 2025 22: 24
              and now let's remember the 14-15th years... Ilovaisk and Debaltseve cauldrons, how the Ukrainians were allowed through our border just so that the militia wouldn't destroy them... and then they wanted to be pretty and their own bourgeois...

              the Ukrainian army in 2014 DE FACTO did not exist. the militia smashed the rabble they recruited with the help of the "northern wind", Ukrainians left Mariupol, but the militia was not allowed to enter it by the shady dealings of our businessmen and Akhmetov...how is it possible to give the property of a respected partner to some "bandits"...

              but Mariupol could have already been DNR and WHOLE back then. Azovstal would have been whole and WORKING, the PEOPLE who were buried in the courtyards in '22 would have been alive...

              all this COULD have been done if there had been a person in power in the Russian Federation who would have considered Russia a homeland, and not a place for feeding "respected" people...
              1. +7
                24 January 2025 22: 57
                everything is correct... everything could have been decided in 2015... finally and irrevocably... I remember very well with what pomp on live television the Federation Council gave the final permission to use the army abroad... and then suddenly some accountant arrived and that was it -

                Look guys, I won't give you a machine gun.

              2. -5
                26 January 2025 00: 43
                Dear "authority of strategy and tactics", your reasoning reminds me of a player of "podkidny durak" with six cards in hand. Imagine that the number of cards "in hand" of government officials is many hundreds, maybe even thousands, and each of them has its own special characteristics, and the responsibility of each move is worth a lot. Have you ever held a document marked "Top Secret" in your hands? And have you sworn on your own Honor for the correctness of your own statements?
                1. +1
                  28 January 2025 02: 50
                  Well, yes, all the current leadership in Soviet times swore to defend their Soviet Motherland and its ideals... So what about honor?
            3. +1
              27 January 2025 18: 07
              In 2014, perhaps, it would have ended quickly, since the authorities who came as a result of Maidan barely scraped together 3000-4000 soldiers to participate in the ATO. But over the course of 8 years, they strengthened their positions, cleared out pro-Russian forces, built fortifications, received weapons... But in 2014-2015, videos were circulating in the Russian Federation, apparently from the NOD, saying "support the president's decision not to send troops to Ukraine, since the Americans want this"... Or another option is that prolonging the conflict is beneficial to some forces, since they are making good money on it, Ukrainian and Russian oligarchs have gained a lot of money, Western military companies are also on the rise...
          2. +6
            24 January 2025 23: 05
            That's it! I cancelled this topic myself and said that Trump's victory was stolen and if it were Trump, he wouldn't have started the SVO.
            What I said a week earlier about the need to start the SVO much earlier was shoved under the rug.
            Manipulators-prestige-giver is a circus specialty fakir-magician. A swindler and a swindler and a half-naked girl helps to spin.
        2. 0
          29 January 2025 06: 31
          Judging by the landing in Gostomel, the plan was to cleanse the Banderites and free Ukraine from their influence in three days. That's why they didn't bomb the VSU in their locations in the first days, as far as I know.
          But it turned out that the Banderites were almost all Ukrainians, and the VSU members, instead of supporting the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in liberating the country from the fascists, turned out to be these same fascists.
          Intelligence is no good, preparation is no good.
      2. -15
        24 January 2025 22: 39
        How much land was "squeezed" from Ukroreikh (how many new regions were added to Russia) and it is still not enough? The Sea of ​​Azov became an internal sea and this is not an achievement? The land corridor to Crimea was cut through and this does not mean anything?
        1. -2
          26 January 2025 22: 10
          Dormidont, your comment has caused so much anger among the cock propagandists that the Devil would not have, if he were forced to cross himself. )))
      3. +5
        25 January 2025 09: 41
        Why do they need a "victory" if they have already won and are reaping the fruits under the flag of "Eat Russia".
    2. +1
      24 January 2025 22: 58
      Quote: Zodiak
      Quote: Rusa
      we need to achieve complete victory in the SVO

      If the highest authorities of the Russian Federation, about which you write, have not yet achieved this "complete victory in the SVO", then there are two options - they can't or they don't want to. Which option do you think it is?

      They are afraid of both options and the third one...
  9. -14
    24 January 2025 21: 10
    What nonsense? How could Russia send troops to "restore the constitution" in another, independent state in 2014? Especially if it didn't ask for it?
    1. +7
      24 January 2025 22: 27
      elementary...at the request of Yanukovo...

      Putin even received the Federation Council's consent to use the army outside the country...

      something's wrong with your memory...
      1. -1
        24 January 2025 22: 33
        The permit was issued in the fall of 2015, by which time Yanukovych had already been happily living near Moscow for a year and a half.
        1. +5
          25 January 2025 10: 28
          Quote: Rhetorical Rita
          The permit was issued in the fall of 2015.

          Permission to use the Russian Armed Forces abroad was given to the President of Russia 22.02.2014
          https://tass.ru/politika/13810743
          Then the whole world tensed up. But the miracle did not happen.
    2. 0
      24 January 2025 22: 58
      How old are you? Not immersed in the issue? In 2015, first the State Duma, then the Federation Council allowed the use of our army abroad...all strictly according to the law...
      1. +1
        25 January 2025 00: 39
        This is the only legal document permitting the use of the RF Armed Forces abroad: Resolution of the Federation Council of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation of 22.02.2022/35/XNUMX No. XNUMX-SF "On the use of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation outside the territory of the Russian Federation".
        In China, the Taiwan issue was resolved in 1949, officially declaring that Taiwan is China, everything is recorded in legal documents of the PRC. Following China's example, the Russian Federation should issue a law stating that the entire territory of Ukraine, within the 1975 borders, is an integral part of Russia.
        To win you need to have: 1) Desire; 2) A goal; 3) An enemy. The authorities have none of this. Three years of war and there is still not a single legal document of the Russian Federation on the SVO in Ukraine. There is no document that says what the SVO in Ukraine is. Maybe someone can tell me on the basis of what document the military actions on the territory of Ukraine are taking place. Military actions are money, people, logistics, military industry, etc. Everything is real there, it is not a computer game.
    3. +6
      25 January 2025 10: 06
      The LPR/DPR militia was advancing very successfully (at least reaching the administrative borders was realistic), the Ukrainian Armed Forces and national battalions were burning in cauldrons and running away in panic. And it was the height of stupidity to stop them, the militia, by falling for the scam Minsk agreements...
      1. +2
        25 January 2025 10: 34
        And the height of stupidity was to stop them, the militias, by falling for the scam Minsk agreements

        .....that's what we're talking about...and then all the sane people talked about it, but the incomprehensible people in power decided otherwise..we see the result with our own eyes...
    4. 0
      27 January 2025 18: 11
      And in 2022, an independent state asked for it? And in 2014, the illegally overthrown legitimate president Yanukovych was in his hands, who could have been used... But he was not used, but on the contrary, those who came on the wave of Maidan were recognized
  10. +4
    24 January 2025 21: 47
    everything is rightly written by a respected author
  11. +4
    24 January 2025 22: 01
    At the sight of Peskov's lecherous face, my hand automatically reaches for the whip.
  12. +2
    24 January 2025 22: 40
    I have before my eyes the meeting of the Russian Security Council on the eve of the SVO.
    Putin sits in a chair and representatives of the security agencies come out one by one and get confused, stutter, lose their train of thought, half-bent, out of place. Naryshkin has completely lost the point, Patrushev...
    Wasn’t this a clear signal that in such understandings and conditions, I want to force myself to break everything???
    Only the young and cheerful Dmitry Medvedev assured that everything would calm down extremely quickly!
    The sanctions will be lifted, everything will return... Europe will not survive without oil and gas.
    They showed the faces of Matvienko, Patrushev, Naryshka where it was clearly read - well, you were prepared!!!
    If the council of elders does not give the go-ahead, if they are afraid, hesitate, answer inappropriately...then
    According to the Bible, their hearts were afraid, and the Lord said to them, “Do not go, and do not begin.”
    But they didn't listen...and went
    1. +1
      25 January 2025 09: 43
      Where else could they go? They had to start anyway, although it should have been done earlier.
    2. +4
      25 January 2025 09: 54
      The Camarilla was shitting in its tights, but the circumstances left no choice. The choice was until '22. But, having screwed up all the good options, all that was left was to push on like a drill - which was what had to be done. And the godfathers inside Banderastan turned out to be liquid-legged little buggers - they merged like urine from a chamber pot. What were the options? You can't see much from the couch, but, for example, quick help to the militia could well have held the Ukro-Reikhs on the borders of Donbass and there would have been no need to storm the "fortresses" with the total destruction of Russian property. I don't feel sorry for Lvov - destroy it to smithereens, along with those creatures who settled it after '39. But ours, being turned into copies of Stalingrad, causes fury and annoyance. By the way, where is that little bitch Surkov, whose guilt simply cannot be overestimated?
  13. +3
    24 January 2025 22: 50
    The editorial board of Topkor has long understood that it is time to stop “gestures of good will,” and it would be good if the Kremlin understood this too.
  14. 0
    24 January 2025 23: 23
    Quote: kuku
    How old are you? Not immersed in the issue? In 2015, first the State Duma, then the Federation Council allowed the use of our army abroad...all strictly according to the law...

    For Syria - it may well be. The result today - they are trying to negotiate with those who overthrew yet another irreplaceable one. Ukraine, as far as I remember, did not invite
  15. +3
    24 January 2025 23: 24
    An article for those who have just learned that the SVO has been going on for three years already... good will can only come from those who win, and we are still a long way from that!
  16. +7
    24 January 2025 23: 28
    Here the author softened a little that the residents of Kursk region now have to pay for the strategic mistake. They have to pay with their lives, Mr. Marzhetsky, with their lives. And in fact, such a number of mistakes either speaks of incompetence or convinces that these are not mistakes at all, but a chain of deliberate and consciously harmful actions.
    1. -7
      24 January 2025 23: 42
      And perhaps Mr. E-NOT considers the beginning of the SVO a strategic mistake?
      1. +4
        25 January 2025 00: 10
        А I think it was the beginning. Because what is shyly called the SVO should have been started on time. And it was necessary to prepare for the war in advance, and not during the process. It would have been possible to save tens if not hundreds of thousands of lives. I have nothing more to add than what has been said above, as well as to enter into a senseless discussion.
  17. -3
    25 January 2025 04: 54
    I think there are no more ZDVs, there are only forced gestures and decisions. And there will be a deal, because Russia in its current form is incapable of winning. Only at the cost of huge losses, but we don't need that.
    1. -1
      25 January 2025 11: 21
      Maybe, but does he want to? In Syria, everything could have been stopped with nuclear strikes.
  18. 0
    25 January 2025 06: 30
    Of course, everything is correct, there were mistakes. But we must remember the 90s, how the USSR was destroyed, its factories, steamships, how the Union was torn apart, how the Soviet army and navy were betrayed and sold. And who did it, by whose hands, foreigners? No, we, Soviet citizens, did it. In order to return at least part of the dignity, to revive the country, titanic efforts and God's providence were needed. There is a war with the hohols, and it was inevitable, there are mistakes, crimes and there will be, but we are beating the faces of our enemies harder and harder. Russia will not perish.
  19. +5
    25 January 2025 06: 47
    Goodwill gestures during war are idiotic!
    1. +2
      25 January 2025 10: 00
      Well then... who's at the helm?
    2. -1
      25 January 2025 11: 20
      Or even worse!
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    1. +6
      25 January 2025 08: 48
      I don't want to offend any of the writing fraternity, but I see a certain dashing narcissism in all of this: Look at me! Have you read how I gave them all a good time?! Oh, what a daredevil I am! Aren't I a handsome man? Yes, I am, I am a handsome man... All of you couch and computer generals are great. The country is in safe hands! What can I say...

      Mr. Marzhetsky is one of the few who have consistently called for resolving the Ukrainian problem by military means since 2014 and to do so without boasting. And what did Mr. Putin call for?
      Yes, the country is in "safe hands".
      1. -5
        25 January 2025 18: 36
        Beydodyr, does Marzhetsky himself think so? Or have you already decided everything for him?
        1. 0
          25 January 2025 21: 04
          Beydodyr, does Marzhetsky himself think so? Or have you already decided everything for him?

          What the respected author thinks can be understood from his articles since 2014. If Someone had listened to him, and not to their "advisers", many things in the SVO could have gone differently, not as shamefully as they are now.
  21. -5
    25 January 2025 08: 52
    Trump's ultimatum speaks of Trump's ignorance and stupidity in the issue of the conflict in Ukraine and the SVO in general. He urgently needs at least 1-2 hours of an explanatory lecture from Putin to begin with. Our president is right when he says that we need to meet and talk calmly... A telephone conversation will only worsen the situation, since Trump will only attack, threaten and demand... If Trump wants to quickly end the military conflict in Ukraine, the US and the EU should simply get out of there and stop military aid, but they will never do that.
    1. +1
      25 January 2025 09: 30
      Do you think that after reading Bohdan Khmelnytsky's letters, Trumpushka will be enlightened and give us Ukraine up to and including the Vistula? Remember all those ridiculous "arguments" presented to the hero of Astrid Lindgren's fairy tale...

      it is ignorant to live on the planet of pink ponies in your dreams and fantasies...which he proved once again yesterday when Sobyanin told him about a salary of 140 thousand... "oh well, more"...
  22. GN
    +6
    25 January 2025 09: 05
    Cowardice and betrayal led to the death of tens of thousands of people!
    1. +7
      25 January 2025 09: 34
      and what do you want from a punk from a Leningrad back alley who by chance was elevated to the top of Olympus...

      their level is Sobchak's briefcase carrier, nothing more...

      I wish Yeltsin and Ko would have been entrusted with the post by a patriot, at least to a minimal degree...the USSR wasn't destroyed in order to then play at greatness...

      Yeltsin could have pushed aside this marked nonentity within the framework of the Union...and all these Kravchuks-Shushkeviches would have been at his feet...but THEY needed something else.

      which they successfully did...how many dollar billionaires are there in Russia now? 125? And what have they done in life? Where are the Russian Huaweis, Windows, Apples???

      the most they can create is the Magnit network...
      1. -5
        25 January 2025 18: 39
        Mr. Volkov, I also want competence in matters of state policy from a couch writer, but I don't see it point-blank. But you keep writing and writing. For me, it's nonsense, if not more, that your opuses resemble discrediting the highest official of the state.
        1. +1
          25 January 2025 21: 05
          Mr. Volkov, I also want competence in matters of state policy from a couch writer, but I don't see it point-blank. But you keep writing and writing. For me, it's nonsense, if not more, that your opuses resemble discrediting the highest official of the state.

          In times of universal lie, telling the truth is extremism.

          Orwell.
  23. +2
    25 January 2025 09: 28
    with the number of troops that Shoigu and Gerasimov, who have no analogues in the world, prepared for 22, there was most likely no chance of holding on in the Chernigov and Sumy regions...even with the withdrawal from the three regions, in the autumn of 3 we received the heaviest blows in the Kharkov region and the right-bank Kherson region...
  24. +2
    25 January 2025 09: 58
    It is obvious that VVP has been making mistakes one after another. And the mistakes are fatal...
  25. 0
    25 January 2025 10: 36
    Russia has long been waiting for Putin to show awareness that he is leading a Great Power, and not a developing country forced to orient itself to the opinions of the United States and the West.
    1. 0
      28 January 2025 04: 13
      If this has not been done in 25 years, then I can assume that it will not happen in the future, so it is not entirely clear what they are waiting for.
  26. +1
    25 January 2025 11: 18
    At one time Napoleon said about the surrendered fortress:

    This is not betrayal. This is worse. This is a mistake.

    Give the entire territory of Ukraine to enemies and hope for something? What negotiations now? With enemies. Novorossiya in 2014 could have been taken with bare hands. No words.
  27. 0
    25 January 2025 13: 36
    It must be admitted that our Supreme often acts very strangely, if not inappropriately.
    1. -6
      25 January 2025 18: 42
      Of course, you can see it better from the couch. Intelligence delivers reports directly to the couch.
  28. -1
    25 January 2025 13: 42
    I read somewhere that our Supreme Commander fights with precision, like a surgeon with a scalpel. But looking at how many countries are fighting against us, how Trump has lost his nerve with his threats against us, how Ukraine has been trying to massively strike Russian cities in recent days, I think that in surgical gloves and with a precision scalpel, the SVO will be winning for who knows how many years. And in order to win quickly, you need to take a sledgehammer in canvas gloves and work with a sledgehammer, not a scalpel.
  29. +1
    25 January 2025 18: 00
    And if the need to withdraw from Kyiv did not raise any doubts, then the withdrawal from the entire Kyiv, as well as the Chernigov and Sumy regions of Nezalezhnaya, where it was possible and necessary to create a “buffer belt”, was a strategic mistake for which the residents of the border Kursk, Belgorod and Bryansk regions of the Russian Federation now have to pay.

    In justification, it can be said that there were catastrophically few troops on the gigantic battle line. And there was no need to rush to leave the Kharkov region near Belgorod, which later led to constant shelling of the city. On the contrary, it should have been strengthened at the expense of part of the withdrawn troops, since it was a sieve with large holes. Finally, on May 22 it was already clear that we had been abandoned and it was necessary to carry out mobilization, which was carried out with a delay of almost 4 months. I think this is VVP's fault. All this subsequently led to grave consequences, the unjustified death of our soldiers.
    1. +1
      25 January 2025 18: 38
      Everyone realized that it was a flight. It was the fear of the authorities for their own skin. The fear of losing power forced them to agree to a deal. You can call it anything and however you like, but they judge by the results and the results show who is who.
  30. +3
    25 January 2025 23: 02
    These are not goodwill gestures, it's just that the one who "strike first" does not have a Faberge, or, to put it simply, a political castrate
  31. +3
    26 January 2025 01: 41
    Any decision other than the liquidation of Ukrainian statehood will be a defeat for Russia
  32. -1
    26 January 2025 10: 20
    It's been a long time since it was worth it... I guess...
  33. 0
    26 January 2025 11: 01
    And, did the intelligence work poorly or, on the principle of “I’m glad to deceive myself,” did they miss the West’s deception of Russia regarding the Minsk agreements?
    1. +1
      26 January 2025 11: 57
      And, did the intelligence work poorly or, following the principle of "I'm glad to deceive myself", did they miss the West's deception of Russia regarding the Minsk agreements?

      When they refer to poor intelligence, I would like to remind you that our beloved President Putin himself is a career intelligence officer, which he used to like to boast about, and for many years he headed the FSB.
      And where are all his personal competencies? Why is he behaving like a pensioner deceived by Ukrainian swindlers?
      1. +1
        27 January 2025 17: 58
        and headed the FSB for many years

        He headed the FSB for less than two years. It is clear that you will not gain any experience during this time.
  34. +3
    27 January 2025 17: 37
    Constant attempts to portray the Kremlinites as gullible-gullible simpletons with the best wishes for the residents of Donbass and not only are already causing heartburn. The goal is obvious. Someone needs to clear the territory of Ukraine of "superfluous" people. That's why they have become so gullible - gullible to Merkel and Hollande and other swindlers. So the process is progressing quite successfully. Now there will probably be a break, and then with renewed vigor the Slavs will be forced to fight with Slavs, so that later the territories can be finally cleared
    1. 0
      28 January 2025 17: 15
      Attempts to create a Jewish state on the territory of Ukraine have been going on since Stalin's time. The destruction of the Slavs is precisely part of their plans.
  35. 0
    29 January 2025 06: 03
    Quote: Nikolai Malyugin
    ...we must take care of the lives and health of our citizens.

    Why? There are still plenty of future Russians living in Uzbekistan and Tajikistan.
  36. +1
    29 January 2025 15: 46
    Has the wise leader not yet made all his mistakes? Let him give Medvedchuk, Surkov and Assad to the Bandar-logs as a gesture of goodwill. In return, he will ask for an embroidered shirt.
  37. 0
    30 January 2025 09: 10
    So maybe we MUST declare once and FOREVER (without any ambiguity) - we will no longer tolerate infringement of our interests anywhere and by anyone! And DEMONSTRATE this decision! This could even be a thermonuclear explosion..., educational or not!
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