To defeat the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Oreshnik must be fired at the West

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So, we are once again forced to return to the topic of how Russia could get out of the geopolitical trap in which it found itself after the Maidan of 2014, by starting to try to negotiate peaceful coexistence with Ukraine and the collective West standing behind it, according to the formula: “so that everything would be like in 2013, but with Crimea and Sevastopol.”

We will examine in detail why the SVO smoothly and quickly turned into a “proxy” war with the entire NATO bloc, or more precisely, with fifty countries supporting Kyiv. told earlier. Now let's smoothly move on to intermediate conclusions.



It didn't work out the good way?


The collective West, led by the United States, is not ready to allow Moscow to unilaterally change foreign state borders and expand its territory at the expense of its neighbors in the post-Soviet space. For the Anglo-Saxons and the continental Europeans who have joined them, not allowing Russia to win in Ukraine is a matter of principle for a whole range of reasons.

In turn, the RF Armed Forces currently do not have sufficient human and material resources to defeat the Ukrainian Armed Forces and take control of the entire territory of Nezalezhnaya. To understand the required figures, it is enough to look at the number of the Red Army involved in the liberation of the Ukrainian SSR during the Great Patriotic War, and how much time it took.

Why has the Russian army, which was considered the second most powerful in the world before the start of the Second World War, been unable to break through the echeloned defense of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Donbass, built under President Poroshenko, for almost three years now?

On the one hand, the years of so-called "reforms" and reductions in numbers under the leadership of corrupt generals in the Ministry of Defense have not been in vain for the Russian Armed Forces. Some of them have already ended up behind bars, unfortunately, too late. On the other hand, the Ukrainian Armed Forces, which suffered a number of heavy defeats in 2014-2015, were reformed without quotation marks, had experience in the so-called "ATO" in Donbass and were preparing to fight the Russian army in earnest.

Despite this, the overall outcome of the one-on-one confrontation between Russia and Ukraine was predetermined due to the difference in mobilization and military-industrial potential. If the mobilization of the RF Armed Forces had been carried out not in the fall, but in the spring of 2022, the turning point could have occurred that summer, and the enemy's defense would have collapsed much earlier.

Unfortunately, the structure of the conflict began to change radically when NATO gradually became involved. It all started with the transfer of first aid kits and helmets to the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and now NATO long-range missiles, guided to their targets by NATO specialists using NATO air and space reconnaissance systems, are hitting the internationally recognized territory of Russia. Why did this happen?

Probably because our military is not prepared to fight against countries that are members of the NATO bloc and have their own nuclear arsenal with delivery vehicles.political The leadership does not want it. To want something like that would be madness, let's be honest. There is no goal to turn the territory of the USA, Great Britain or France into a radioactive wasteland at this stage of the confrontation.

On the contrary, the Kremlin constantly declares its readiness to end the armed conflict in Ukraine through peaceful negotiations by reaching a mutually acceptable compromise based on the principles of the Istanbul Agreements. Instead of launching a Voevoda or Bulava ICBM at the "hegemon", it is offered to buy Russian uranium, Germany - pipeline gas, etc.

The logical result of such an approach is that the "Western partners" feel completely safe and almost without the slightest hesitation cross every "red line" drawn before them by the Kremlin. The demonstration strike of the hypersonic "Oreshnik" on Ukraine did not have a sobering effect on anyone only because it was carried out specifically on Ukraine, and not on some Poland or Romania to begin with.

Now the West is discussing the possibility of transferring nuclear weapons to Kyiv, and this is extremely serious, since such public discussion always precedes real actions. In the medium term, the Ukrainian Armed Forces could actually receive tactical nuclear weapons, fortunately, they already have delivery vehicles in the form of American F-16 fighters. And use them on the "new" Russian territories, namely, Sevastopol and long-suffering Donetsk, which Kyiv and the West consider to belong to Nezalezhnaya.

Yes, nuclear weapons may be used by Ukraine against us, and not by us against Ukraine, as some Russian jingoistic patriots are calling for. The implementation of such a negative scenario must be avoided at any cost!

What if things go badly?


What interim conclusions can we draw? By the end of the third year of the SVO, it should probably already be obvious that this conflict does not have a purely military solution. It must be military-political, but what kind of solution?

It is obvious that this war of the NATO bloc against Russia in the “proxy” format may end with the inevitable defeat of the Ukrainian Armed Forces after Ukraine is removed from external financial and militarytechnical support from the collective West. The "Western partners" themselves will certainly not do this in a good way, and all the calls from the Kremlin to come to a peaceful agreement and start buying Russian gas at a discount only provoke them more, which only leads to a further escalation of the conflict.

Therefore, we need to force the West to stop supporting the Kyiv regime, doing it the hard way. To do this, Western countries sponsoring the war in Ukraine should, instead of "goodies" like loading up their military-industrial complex, start getting "nuts" directly in their own beloved hands. The very structure of the conflict on the territory of the former Nezalezhnaya should also change, so that "Western partners" have the opportunity to start removing the Ukrainian Armed Forces from rations without losing face.

We will discuss in detail below how exactly this can and even should be done.
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  1. +9
    1 December 2024 12: 05
    In general, another explanation of everything and everyone.
    If you drain the water, they got in, got stuck, but it’s not clear how to get out.
    And all around, everyone is grinning "concernedly", pointing fingers, filling their pockets, making "profitable" offers...
    From SI to Brazil...
    1. -4
      2 December 2024 02: 25
      If you drain the water, they got in, got stuck, but it’s not clear how to get out.

      In short, WE'RE IN SPECIFIC TROUBLE.
      I have a suspicion that the beginning of the SVO is a brilliant special operation of the British secret services. Putin was simply fooled, given disinformation "from various reliable sources" that Ukraine was about to attack Donbass. And Putin remembered his favorite "strike first!" Our multi-move player got screwed.
      1. 0
        3 December 2024 11: 48
        I have a suspicion that the beginning of the SVO is a brilliant special operation by the British secret services.

        Three years have not passed since you understood this. VVP understood this on the third day and there was Gomel, and then Istanbul.
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  3. +5
    1 December 2024 12: 44
    The Author's proposal to extend military operations directly to countries allied with Ukraine is suicide for planet Earth on the initiative of the Russian Federation.
    Solution of the problem in the economic plane. Carl Gustaf Mannerheim:

    Before spending a lot of money on defense, you need to create for people the standard of living that they want to protect.

    Then the same Ukraine will want to join not the EU, but the Russian Federation...
    But to solve this problem, we need an alternative to the outlived...V. Putin!
    1. -3
      1 December 2024 13: 27
      Quote: Mikhail L.
      The solution to the problem is in the economic plane. Carl Gustaf Mannerheim: "Before spending huge amounts of money on defense, we must create for people a standard of living that they will want to defend."
      Then the same Ukraine will want to join not the EU, but the Russian Federation...

      No wonder Finland was eager to join the USSR.
      1. +2
        1 December 2024 13: 59
        That's why I didn't rush!
    2. +5
      1 December 2024 22: 36
      It is not Putin who needs an alternative, but the system that was built after 1991...

      It's naive to think that if Putin is replaced by Medvedev, everything in Russia will immediately blossom...

      and yes, the fallacy of Mannerheim's assertion was shown by the USSR, which achieved victory in the Great Patriotic War precisely by strengthening its defense at the expense of improving the standard of living...

      If instead of tanks and planes, under Stalin they had built coffee grinder factories, then everything would have ended in September 1941...

      and yes, in France in 1939 the standard of living was higher than in the USSR...how long did France last there???

      and another example, in modern Russia the standard of living is much higher than under Stalin in the USSR... but at the same time there are far fewer volunteers for the SVO front than there are Upper Lars hijackers...

      Is it worth remembering the slavery of the Russian peasants who defeated Napoleon?

      not everything is as primitive as this character thought... another thing is that the peoples of Russia, thanks to nature and the work of their ancestors, are obliged to have a much more decent standard of living...
      1. +2
        2 December 2024 10: 58
        In the USSR, people defended their homeland because they knew that it was their homeland and they constantly saw that life was getting better and better.

        ECdo you own the field
        In a businesslike way, we do not rent,
        And you are free to own the fruits -
        You are in your Fatherland.

        Well, suddenly across the borders
        The enemy will come to this field,
        Then you will beat
        Then you are a patriot.

        If you are a servant to the field,
        Your patriotism is ridiculous -
        Even though you have been following the plow all your life,
        You are deprived of your Fatherland.

        And the enemies of the horde will come,
        You take a lot of troubles
        For a dubious right
        Bend on the master's ridge.

        The conclusion is simple and, in short, here it is
        (the rest are wrong):
        Do you want to be called a patriot -
        Become the master of the country!
      2. 0
        2 December 2024 21: 22
        Whitewashing V. Putin? A biased selection of arguments is a form of demagogy. ;-(
      3. +2
        3 December 2024 11: 31
        and another example, in modern Russia the standard of living is much higher than under Stalin in the USSR... but at the same time there are far fewer volunteers for the SVO front than there are Upper Lars hijackers...

        People are not fools, they understand that their standard of living is threatened not by the West, not by Ukraine, but by the SVO. Not to mention that the SVO, to put it mildly, was not entirely successful, and the prospect of dying in an unsuccessful war is not capable of captivating even turbopatriots.
      4. 0
        3 December 2024 11: 43
        A small addition. Putin is also part of the system that was formed in the 90s, and under him it was polished and cemented.
    3. 0
      1 December 2024 23: 40
      so if the Western countries "created for people the standard of living that they would want to defend" by means of direct ROBBING of colonies, which they captured by force and murder, and then using this economic advantage unleashed a couple of world wars, further increased their influence and were able to impose "dollar chaos" (money out of thin air, aka MMM) on the world...
      So WHAT should we do with such scoundrels and impudent people? Persuade them and convince them not to rob the rest of the planet? Or break their back selling resources until they simply print 10 times more paper and buy everything from everyone for colored paper?
      With such ONLY by force, and only through death, alas, they can no longer imagine or understand it any other way. This is the Garden of Eden, and we are the jungle. They can do anything, and we are a gas station to service them... Burn them in furnaces in the 20th century? Yes, easy...
      Wipe these scum off the face of the earth... that's the best solution to the "Anglo-Saxon problem" in the world.
    4. 0
      6 December 2024 00: 01
      I agree, Putin has wasted billions on Syria, this is a lot of taxpayers' money, he is also fighting strangely with Ukraine, he is not destroying the bridges across the Dnieper, and he is not trying to eliminate the top, the last regrouping, from the raisins also said a lot to understanding people.
  4. -4
    1 December 2024 12: 49
    start getting "in the nuts" directly to yourself, your loved ones.

    For a start it would be good to declare war. On Romania, or Poland, or Germany with France. Whom do we want to hit with Oreshnik? That's the first thing.

    The collective West, led by the United States, is not ready to allow Moscow to unilaterally change other people's state borders and expand its territory at the expense of its neighbors.

    Well, and recognize the right of all countries to unilaterally change other countries' state borders and expand their territory at the expense of their neighbors. That's second. Otherwise, it's a diplomatic dead end - no one in their right mind, not a single country (even Belarus wink ) does not recognize such a right only for Russia - as an exception, so to speak.
    1. +5
      1 December 2024 20: 47
      The PRC considers Taiwan its territory. The PRC unilaterally enshrined in law that Taiwan is an integral part of mainland China. Venezuela secured the Essequibo region, which occupies more than two-thirds of the neighboring state of Guyana, through a referendum. There is also Argentina with the Falkland Islands, etc. No one cares about the opinion and the issue of recognition or non-recognition of the interests of their state. In the Russian Federation, all the authorities and the "elite" look at the reaction of NATO countries and its satellites, afraid of angering the West. The difference in power and the elite is that there the nationally oriented elite protects the interests of the state, in the Russian Federation foreign authorities and "elite" line their pockets, rob Russia and their home in the West. Over three years, it should have become clear that the Russian authorities have no desire to win in Ukraine.
      1. -2
        1 December 2024 20: 52
        Aren't you afraid that someone will recognize part of Russia as their own by law?
        1. +2
          1 December 2024 21: 40
          You, ask the question to the relatives of those killed and maimed in the SVO in Ukraine.
          1. -1
            1 December 2024 22: 57
            I'm asking you. You are proposing to annex countries to us by internal laws.
      2. +3
        2 December 2024 11: 10
        What nationally oriented elites are you writing about? Where are they? There are representatives of big capital, and there are politicians who serve their interests. Laws are needed that are beneficial to capital - politicians pass them, media owned by capital create the necessary public opinion (the retirement age needs to be raised - please, some country needs to be demonized - please, fascist scum needs to be glorified - please...). Capital has no nationality!!! And its representatives will sell out their national Motherland and its interces without blinking an eye. Just like when the US told the French not to sell ships - they didn't sell them, to their own detriment, when the Russian Federation was told not to sell S-300 to Iran - they didn't sell them. A factory needs to be moved from Norilsk to China - no problem.
    2. +3
      2 December 2024 12: 00
      casuistry, guest. The European war has begun and is ongoing. The Middle Eastern war continues. Asia and America are left. Their turn is coming, and it will come. The number of people on Earth has increased noticeably in the last fifty years only, but there are the same number of resources and for some reason everyone wants to live better.
      So everything is logical
      And Marzhetsky is right.
  5. +10
    1 December 2024 13: 13
    for almost three years now, it has been unable to break through the echeloned defense of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Donbass, which was built under President Poroshenko

    Because of all the possible directions of attack, our leadership decided to break through with their foreheads the line of fortified areas in Donbass, which had been quite well prepared over the 10 years that we had given them...

    What's surprising then? If, say, Aloizyevich had attacked the Maginot Line so quickly in 1940, WWII would probably have ended in 1941, due to the lack of personnel in the German army...
  6. +5
    1 December 2024 14: 55
    I was convinced of this before. And I still hold to my opinion. If we had used all our firepower on the line of combat contact, our successes would have been significantly greater. After all, the most important thing for us is that the Ukrainian army retreats. And whether everything in their rear will be destroyed or will remain intact is a secondary matter. We liberated Donbass, and took on the next one. With the use of great firepower with missiles and artillery, the Donetsk fortified areas would have cracked at the seams.
    1. -3
      1 December 2024 16: 48
      Quote from: unc-2
      The most important thing for us is that the Ukrainian army retreats.

      The problem is that they are being driven to slaughter without regard for losses.
    2. +4
      1 December 2024 19: 45
      If heavy firepower from missiles and artillery had been used, the Donetsk fortified areas would have burst at the seams.

      It won't be possible to achieve particularly great firepower. There's nothing to do it with. Butting with an oak (Donetsk fortified areas have worn down the number of fighters and equipment. And a smart one will not go up the mountain, a smart one will go around the mountain. In three years, the nature of military operations has changed. The first two years of the war - down the drain. Nothing particularly good leading to a visible victory, despite the advance in Donbass and the victory reports on TV, the third year also did not bring. So, Marzhetsky is right. What to do? Hazel without a nuclear warhead is clearly not a miracle weapon. You can’t destroy much with hypersonic crowbars, and it’s expensive, and apparently there aren’t enough missiles. First, as a test, we need to strike Ukraine with nuclear weapons, of course, western Ukraine. First, with a more powerful ground charge at the Yavoriv training ground, maybe with a strategist. Then at the border checkpoints on the Ukrainian side, especially where the bridges across the Western Bug to Poland. Small radioactive clouds of an airborne nuclear explosion with an easterly wind will clearly force Western politicians to turn on brains.
      1. -1
        2 December 2024 14: 16
        You have a good desire to win, but not so much in execution. You understand that in order to win you need to have a desire, then a goal arises, and then how to realize this goal. If there is no desire, then the problem and nuclear weapons will not be solved here. I have written here many times and received a lot of negativity in response. If you want to win in the SVO in Ukraine, do as the PRC did with Taiwan. Pass a law that states that the entire territory of Ukraine, within the 1975 borders, is an integral part of Russia. How to do this. An example.
        On December 3, 2023, a referendum was held in Venezuela, during which more than 90 percent of Venezuelans voted to annex the Essequibo region, which occupies more than two-thirds of the neighboring state of Guyana. A similar referendum could be held in the Russian Federation, where the first question would be that the entire territory of Ukraine, within the 1975 borders, is an integral part of Russia.
        If, in a referendum, as in Venezuela, the people of the Russian Federation decide that all of Ukraine, within the 1975 borders, is an integral part of Russia, then the government will be obliged to reflect this decision in the law. In this case, the government of the Russian Federation does not bear responsibility for the decision received in the referendum.
        Everything must be done unilaterally, without asking anyone for recognition. There will be a law and everything connected with Ukraine will change.
        In the presence of the Law, the military operation conducted by Russia in Ukraine is the liberation of the territory of Russia occupied by separatists, the restoration of the territorial integrity of Russia, the reunification of peoples, the inclusion of the economy, population, territory of Ukraine in the sphere of economic activity of Russia.
        The war in Ukraine will be called a liberation war, and NATO countries will be called an aggressor. Russia's determination will improve relations with China. No one fears or respects cowards.
        1. +2
          2 December 2024 23: 15
          Another piece of paper will not replace a real nuclear strike on Ukraine. And the West will ignore it.
          1. -1
            3 December 2024 00: 10
            This paper is not intended for the West, it is needed first and foremost by Russia, and secondly by the people of Ukraine. Russia should not be concerned with the question of how the West will react. You, ask yourself what you want and how you can complete the SVO.
  7. +3
    1 December 2024 18: 24
    the problem obviously does not and cannot have a political solution, only a military one..... Yao in Lvov then all the enemy pieces fall off the board.... otherwise Khasavyurt Aleppo and the fall of Putin and his team.. no one respects or fears the losers
  8. +8
    1 December 2024 19: 22
    A political solution? In Syria, the mustachioed "defender" of Muslims clearly demonstrated this to the entire world by opening checkpoints on the border for militants. And they built a thick gas pipeline for him and a nuclear power plant is on the way. Around Russia, they will still rock the boat in many places, similar to the Maidan of the crests, and then they will drive the meat onto us. Even if they freeze the battles on the LBS, political activity in other places will not decrease, they will even try to destabilize us from within. They took us seriously and Trump, whom some pray to even more, is implementing all this. He will also destabilize BRICS so that our so-called buddies will fly in different directions from there. You need to hit not the stick that hits you and not the hand that holds it, but the face.
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  10. +2
    1 December 2024 22: 42
    Since 1991, Russia, like Ukraine, has been a colony of the United States. This fact is carefully hidden by the authorities, but no one refutes it with facts, because they are the very life of the country.
    A colonial army cannot set itself tasks that contradict the interests of the metropolis. If the metropolis benefits from a war between Ukraine and Russia, Russia fights Ukraine, and its media presents it as a war against the machinations of the United West.
    If the metropolis needs this war to be as long and bloody as possible, the strong side "makes mistakes" and "misses opportunities."
    If the metropolis needs to destroy a colony in a war with NATO and Japan, the colonial power will lead the people to this slaughter as well.
    Everything else is a deception of power and our illusions, for which life leaves us no time.
    The Kursk bridgehead is already ready to accept superior NATO forces under the flag of the Ukrainian Armed Forces to take the nuclear power plant and preemptively blackmail Russia on behalf of Ukraine.
    Next comes war.
    1. 0
      2 December 2024 11: 27
      If the Russian Federation and Ukraine are US colonies, does that mean that they are headed by Governors General appointed to express the interests of the metropolis? The people of Ukraine are burying their sons, the people of Russia are burying their sons, and at the same time the oligarchs of Ukraine and Russia are earning tens of billions, the shares of Western military corporations have grown by tens and hundreds of percent. An ancient proverb

      Look who benefits!
  11. +6
    1 December 2024 23: 50
    There will be no intermediate conclusions... The redivision of the world is in progress. This is an economic crisis.
    Because Western countries have run out of real resources. They only have armed forces and colored paper (instead of glass beads). And everyone understands that colored paper is not worth as much as they sell it for. Therefore, the solution, as usual, is only through a world war.
    And alas, the world war will involve the use of nuclear weapons. If any of the rulers of the Anti-Western coalition chickens out and does not dare to use them, they will drive their people into economic and political slavery.
    Because people from the "Garden of Eden" cannot feed themselves and their population normally without getting cheap resources and goods from the "jungle". And the difference in the quality of life and consumption of people and subhumans will be approximately 10 times.
    Will this suit you personally? Or do you dream of working as a screw on a plantation? So there will be a slaughter.
    Alas, time has chosen us...
    1. +4
      2 December 2024 01: 13
      If any of the rulers of the Anti-Western coalition chickens out and does not dare to use it, then he will drive his people into economic and political slavery.

      Unfortunately, this is not the case. We have not yet earned such a position. In order to compete with the US/UK on equal terms, we, as a people, had to hold on to the USSR.
      It was broken in 1991 by the Americans with the hands of the bought party elite and they did not let their victory slip away, but strengthened it - after all, no one interfered with them. There was no national liberation revolution, there was not even a coup. There was a quiet transfer of power to the Successor and the erection of the Yeltsin Center as a symbol of power.
      Russia remains a colony of the United States, as does Ukraine.
      Everything that is happening now and will happen in the future is a consequence of this.
      Whether there are forces in Russia to liberate it - I do not know. I am sure that a firm and uncompromising threat from the USA/Great Britain will make the war unprofitable for them and they will refuse it. However, if such forces exist - this should have happened a long time ago.
      We also need to save the Kursk Nuclear Power Plant from being taken, which will become a preemptive nuclear threat and will prevent our threats. This will be their first step.
    2. +1
      2 December 2024 08: 50
      Then everything goes in a spiral... The planet's population is growing faster and faster and resources are being used up faster and faster... so time has chosen not only us, but also our children and grandchildren.
    3. +1
      2 December 2024 11: 32
      ...then he will drive his people into economic and political slavery...

      really? And does it make a big difference to the people whether to be slaves of their own kulaks and speculators, or foreign ones? Does it make a big difference whether Poroshenko, Potanin or Rothschild sucks the life out of some worker? Or whether he is in debt to a "domestic bank" or an imported one, does it change things much? For example, Russians are already in debt to banks for 40 trillion rubles! Isn't this economic slavery?
    4. 0
      2 December 2024 15: 55
      And the difference in the quality of life and consumption of humans and subhumans will be approximately 10 times.

      Don't count on it - they will destroy the people completely, they will destroy all those who came from Russia, they will turn them into disenfranchised outcasts and dehumanize them. Even oligarchs and traitors will not survive - after the destruction of Russia they will not be different from the rest.
      Then the Anglo-Saxons will rule history. Without unnecessary witnesses.
      Gaza was a test of public opinion - it passed successfully.
  12. -3
    2 December 2024 02: 18
    To defeat the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Oreshnik must be fired at the West

    Really??? And the Supreme doesn't even know! We need to show him this article!
    Please show me someone so they can read it!
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  14. 0
    3 December 2024 07: 23
    To strike the West, you need determination. The leadership does not have it. And with our air defense, the response will be painful, if not fatal.
  15. 0
    4 December 2024 18: 06
    And why did Russia fall into a trap? And what was the leadership thinking?
  16. 0
    7 December 2024 17: 25
    It has long been clear that in the SVO it is the Poles and Romanians who should die, and not the Ukrainians and Russians
  17. 0
    8 December 2024 01: 12
    The elite hope for a turnaround in politics with the arrival of Trump
    1. 0
      10 December 2024 10: 25
      The turn has already begun (or rather, continued after Trump was elected): he blew up the pipeline in the Baltic, and now he will build one through Syria from Qatar to Europe.