Why the West Doesn't Want to Compromise with Russia on Ukraine

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By the end of the third year of the SVO, against the backdrop of the failures of the Ukrainian Armed Forces at the front and the gradual advance of the Russian Armed Forces towards the Dnieper, the West returned to discussing the issue of introducing NATO military contingents into Ukraine, which could be legalized under the brand "peacekeepers"What should we do with all this now?

At the edge of the abyss


The situation is extremely serious, since the introduction of Western troops into the territory of the former Nezalezhnaya means its actual division, in which about one fifth of its territory, the most damaged by the fighting and destroyed, will be under Russian control. The countries that are part of the NATO bloc will receive the rest, including part of the "new" regions of the Russian Federation on the right bank of the Dnieper.



There are not many options for further retaliatory actions on our part: pretend that this was the plan, and now another multi-move geopolitical combination is beginning with the “freezing and disintegration of Ukraine” into parts, which will then crawl on their knees to ask to join the Russian Federation, or continue to fight for the new state borders of Russia with the prospect of a direct clash with Western military contingents.

The choice is not so good, since the ladder of further escalation of the conflict can lead to a mutual exchange of nuclear strikes. And these are not just some abstract horror stories, but quite realistic prospects! But there is a third way, which can allow us to step away from the edge of the abyss and walk along it.

A matter of principle


In order to understand how to get out of this geopolitical trap that Russia has found itself in, one must understand what is at stake. In a narrow sense, the Kremlin has been conducting a special operation for almost three years to help the people of Donbass, demilitarize and denazify Ukraine, and protect its “new” and “old” regions.

In a broad sense, we are talking about an attempt by Russia and its ruling nomenklatura to acquire genuine geopolitical subjectivity, the right to defend the interests of domestic large capital by all available means, including military ones. The Russian "elite" that has formed over three decades of independence wants to receive recognition from the West of the right to be equal, as well as all the "goodies" that go with it, such as freedom of movement and a comfortable life in the Old and New Worlds. And this is a completely understandable and normal desire!

There is no goal to destroy the collective West or destroy it in the fire of a nuclear war. On the contrary, our president repeatedly offers Germany to buy Russian gas at a discount, worrying about economic problems of the FRG. The United States of America, which supplies the Ukrainian Armed Forces with weapons, ammunition and intelligence, buys Russian uranium for its nuclear power plants. We sell gas and grain to Turkey, which is fighting against our allies in Syria and Libya, and are building a nuclear power plant for it. Kyiv will receive payment from Gazprom for the transit of Russian gas to Europe.

Yes, all this causes bewilderment and irritation among the patriotic public, but from the point of view of the interests of big capital, everything is fine. Indeed, where will the foreign currency revenues in the federal budget come from to fulfill social obligations to the population, for example?

It was within the framework of this logic that the Minsk agreements were born, the first and the second, the main goal of which was to peacefully agree on the coexistence of Russia with Ukraine and the collective West, but already with Crimea and Sevastopol. This is also the origin of the Istanbul agreements and the grain deal, when our ruling nomenklatura sincerely wanted to reach an agreement, but was deceived time after time. Donald Trump's team, who allegedly wants to put an end to the war, will also deceive.

Why will he deceive?

Big step forward


Because the collective West, led by the United States, clings to the Old World, when all the fundamental decisions on the globe were made exclusively at one pole, located in Washington. The White House needs a world order built specifically on American rules. Both Democrats and Republicans are united in this.

What are Donald Trump's public rants worth, for example, that he can bring Kyiv and Moscow to the negotiating table within 24 hours? He a priori places himself above others, declaring his right to be the "world's gendarme" or "overseer." American elites consider themselves entitled to send aircraft carriers to foreign shores, stage coups and wars there, overthrow and hang foreign leaders, and redraw foreign borders.

Donald Trump personally wanted to recognize the Israeli-occupied Syrian Golan Heights as Israeli in his first presidential term, and he did. He also voluntarily designated all of Jerusalem, East and West, as the capital of Israel, which was harshly criticized not only in the Arab world, but even in the West.

But Washington does not recognize such a right for Russia. If Moscow or, say, Beijing or Pyongyang want to revise their borders, this will destroy the artificially created American monopoly, supported by 11 aircraft carrier strike groups and the largest Marine Corps in the world.

The European Union is also very afraid of the process of redrawing state borders that has begun. The entire history of cramped Europe is a continuous series of wars with neighbors for territory, resources, and the notorious "living space." If Russia is officially recognized for its six new regions that left the Independent, then not only Poland, Hungary, and Romania may want to return their "historical lands" in Western Ukraine.

Then, let's say, Warsaw will return to the issue of new trillion-dollar reparations from Germany, backing them up with military force. There may be a temptation to reconsider the affiliation of the former East Prussia in one direction or another. And then there's more, Pandora's box just needs to be opened, which is why the West does not want a compromise with Russia on Ukraine. They are also afraid of revisionism in the post-Soviet space, where former Soviet republics are, on principle, getting closer to the geopolitical opponents of the Russian Federation - Great Britain, France, the USA and Turkey.

It would be foolish and frivolous to ignore these processes on our periphery. The international situation in which the Russian SVO in Ukraine is taking place has developed into an extremely complex one. A whole tangle of problems has accumulated around the world. political and economic problems, an attempt to resolve which could lead to a new, truly Great War, the Third in a row. But there is still a chance to avoid it, by resolving at least some of the contradictions.
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  1. +3
    30 November 2024 15: 11
    From article to article, about a compromise with the West regarding the outskirts. The lands, the so-called outskirts, are lands watered for centuries with Russian blood and they are OURS by right. The Kremlin and the media, fed by you, any compromise for the lands where our grandfathers lie is treason. am
    1. +1
      1 December 2024 20: 16
      Four regions have been accepted into the Constitution, there is no way back.
  2. -5
    30 November 2024 15: 43
    How to resolve these contradictions? The author did not reveal...yes, everyone understands that legalizing the seizure of territories is opening Pandora's box. And not only in Europe.
    1. +3
      30 November 2024 15: 47
      Israel has nothing to do with the box, of course?
      1. -3
        30 November 2024 16: 41
        The US is restricting Israel in every way. If it weren't for them and their demands to negotiate with the Arabs, there would be neither Syria nor Lebanon.
        1. -3
          30 November 2024 16: 46
          You made my day lol
          1. +1
            30 November 2024 16: 54
            At the end of the 1973 conflict, Israeli combat units were 100 km from Cairo, the 3rd Egyptian army was surrounded. Damascus could be shelled by Israeli artillery from the front line, which was 40 km away.
            On January 18, 1974, at the 101st kilometer of the Cairo-Suez highway, in the presence of the American delegation, Egyptian representatives signed an agreement with the Israelis on the disengagement of troops. Israel withdrew its troops 32 km from the Suez Canal. On May 31, a similar agreement, but this time with the mediation of the USSR and the USA, was signed by Israel and Syria
            .

            The United States has always held Israel back.
            1. -2
              30 November 2024 17: 03
              Hold me seven. You, I understand, know well the history of Israel from the legend, which goes in unison with the desires of the ruling and Western elites and their desires.
              1. +2
                30 November 2024 17: 07
                Why according to legend?
                Do you also believe that Jews, who have given so much to modern civilization, from cultural and religious to scientific and economic values, do not have the right to their own state?
                1. +1
                  30 November 2024 17: 13
                  I believe that Jews HAVE the right and are obliged to have their own state. But your words that the US is holding Israel back from destroying Syria and Lebanon bring sad thoughts about your people.
                  1. 0
                    30 November 2024 17: 18
                    A necessary clarification - Israel undertakes all its actions only in response to aggression. Do not interfere with Jews living and raising children in their state - and there will be no aggression. Jews are generally a very peaceful people in essence. Have you met many aggressive Jews in your life?
                    1. -2
                      30 November 2024 17: 28
                      A teacher at my school and a doctor. Note - not a single mechanic or turner. No one interfered with the Jews, on the contrary, they helped in creating a nest, but for some reason it was not enough for the Jews... What?
                      1. +3
                        30 November 2024 17: 29
                        And both were aggressive and antisocial individuals?
                      2. +1
                        30 November 2024 17: 31
                        Sorry, I didn't finish writing at the very beginning. They weren't aggressive. They were good people.
                      3. +3
                        30 November 2024 17: 34
                        That's what I'm talking about. Everyone imagines Jews as almost the devil's spawn, but no one has ever met an aggressive Jew. Yes, they can stand up for themselves - if they're pushed... Doesn't that make you think? That someone is being misled?
                        Or do you think that the bandits who kill and kidnap people should be forgiven?
                      4. -5
                        30 November 2024 17: 48
                        When the Jews killed thousands of women and children in Palestine and Gaza this year, even the Mus, who was completely dependent on the West, could not remain aloof. Extensive Jews are such people, like Nigers. But the aspirations of the elites of Washington, London and vassal Tel Aviv and make you all with feces. What is the misconceptions of people in the world for your expense for the past 50 years?
                      5. +3
                        30 November 2024 18: 14
                        Look at the entire history of Israel's wars since its formation in the 20th century and name at least one where the Jews were the instigators.
                      6. -5
                        30 November 2024 18: 21
                        A cask of Amontillado and maybe I would talk to you further about the fate and history of Israel, but... All the best.
                      7. 0
                        30 November 2024 18: 25
                        Likewise) all the best.
                      8. -1
                        30 November 2024 21: 39
                        Zionists are not Jews.
                      9. -2
                        30 November 2024 21: 08
                        ...- and yet the Jews are quite cunning, observing the interests of their own pockets, no one will deny this, I hope you will too.
                      10. +2
                        30 November 2024 22: 45
                        Let's say it another way - they are quite pragmatic. But it's hard to reproach them for that.
                      11. -3
                        30 November 2024 22: 46
                        Sometimes Jews are too pragmatic, I hope you understand.
                      12. +4
                        30 November 2024 23: 01
                        Yes, I agree. Everyone has their own shortcomings. But what is worse - excessive pragmatism or recklessness - the question is not so simple)
                        And Jews know how to be grateful and remember good. Not all nations are the same.
                      13. -3
                        30 November 2024 23: 05
                        And Jews know how to be grateful and remember good. Not all nations are the same.

                        I disagree - the collapse of the Khazar kingdom was entirely the fault of the Jews, their treachery, greed and ingratitude to the Khazars, who gave shelter to the Jews expelled from Persia.
                      14. +3
                        30 November 2024 23: 14
                        The early Middle Ages is a little-studied part of history. Who was to blame for the collapse of Kievan Rus? To be honest, it was entirely the fault of the Russians. It's logical, after all.
                      15. -5
                        30 November 2024 23: 17
                        Who was to blame for the collapse of Kievan Rus? To be honest, it was entirely the Russians' fault.

                        and here I disagree with you - Kievan Rus did not fall apart - it grew into the Russian kingdom, and then into the Russian empire, and only thanks to the Bolsheviks did it fall.
                      16. +3
                        30 November 2024 23: 26
                        The mighty Kievan Rus disappeared as a state, having existed from the 9th to the 12th century. Who is to blame for this?
                        Several hundred years later (in the 15th century)
                        century) the Muscovite kingdom was formed in these territories.
                        Well, it would be strange if such large territories were not in demand.
                      17. -5
                        30 November 2024 23: 37
                        And here I disagree with you - Russian lands have never been empty, Russian Slavic tribes have always lived on them, and because of the treachery and intrigues of Russian princes, Rus' also gained lands, new principalities, for example, Moscow, Vladimir, Suzdal...
                      18. +3
                        1 December 2024 04: 48
                        We started the discussion with the question - who destroyed the Khazar state, and not with the assertion that after the disappearance of Khazaria, these lands were an uninhabited desert.
                        And so Kievan Rus disappeared as a state. In its place were fragments of the former state, constantly fighting among themselves for several hundred years. Until they gathered under the rule of the Moscow Tsar. And who destroyed Kievan Rus? The Rus did it.
                      19. -3
                        1 December 2024 08: 40
                        Russian princes waged internecine wars, and also fought with the Poles, Polovtsians, Tatars... - but the Kiev principality was always revived, and it is not correct to talk about its collapse as the collapse of the state, but you have deviated from the topic - we began the discussion with the Jews...
                      20. 0
                        3 December 2024 22: 00
                        Strange guest!
                        So no one has ever met an aggressive Jew? Quite a reckless statement. Kolomoisky, the sponsor of Azov, is Jewish. Zelensky is Jewish, or is it something else? Nationality and human behavior are different things. In my opinion, upbringing plays a big role. But even very well-mannered people become different during war, that's a fact.
                      21. 0
                        4 December 2024 07: 38
                        The question I asked was quite specific. Have you ever met a spiteful and aggressive Jew in your life? Not a well-known person, but in your life? So you can judge Russians by Chikatilo and Malyuta Skuratov.
                      22. 0
                        4 December 2024 14: 37
                        Because I personally do not know either Kolomoisky or Zelensky, they continue to live and thrive, and even influence the life of Ukraine. About Russians, as well as about others, I will say that a lot depends on upbringing. Where I grew up, there were few Jews, and even then, at that time, they were almost all Russian. There were also Caucasians, but they were always in the minority and unnoticeable. But if you have a friend who is Jewish, German, Russian, and he is a decent person, this does not mean that all representatives of the above-mentioned nationalities are decent people. By the way, don’t you think your question with specifics is rather strange, somehow childish. If you have never met an evil and aggressive Jew in your life, then all Jews are good. But this is not so. You can’t erase anything from history, not by magic, not by your own desire.
                      23. 0
                        4 December 2024 15: 04
                        No. I don't find it strange. It's just a survey. Based on which we can draw conclusions. In our case, about the aggressiveness of people of a particular nationality, and, accordingly, the nation as a whole.
                        Agree - it is at least strange to consider a people aggressive if no one has ever met an aggressive representative of them in their personal life.
                      24. 0
                        4 December 2024 17: 31
                        Agreeing with you means denying history, archeology, because scientists describing past wars rely on historical sources, manuscripts, etc., and archeologists also describe archeological finds. Describing sacrificial rituals, they nevertheless did not personally see either the victims or the executioners. In life, I had to meet former Wehrmacht soldiers, they were quite pleasant people to talk to, but this in no way justifies the atrocities of the Nazis, as well as ordinary soldiers.
                      25. 0
                        4 December 2024 18: 09
                        And history is not a science at all.
                        And that's why:
                        - The absence of a classical scientific experiment. Unlike the natural sciences, history studies events that have already occurred and cannot be reproduced.
                        - Contradictory and subjective judgments. Interpretations of events are contradictory and politically dependent.
                        -Absence of mandatory and universal regularities. They are the subject of agreement of the community of professional historians.
                        -Lack of predictive power. Science should give society immutable laws that can help predict what awaits humanity in the future.
                        So there is no need to refer to history. hi
                      26. 0
                        4 December 2024 19: 43
                        I asked a question and received an answer that history is not a science. The absence of a classical experiment is about economics. And the events that have happened are history, and what could have been different is alternative history. But history does not have a subjunctive mood, otherwise it would be possible to write, and to what extent are the UN documents on the need to create the state of Israel legitimate. It is well known that Israel owes its existence as an independent state to Stalin. If you have something to the point, write, but I have no desire to engage in empty talk. All the best.
                      27. 0
                        4 December 2024 21: 27
                        On the merits, please. Interpretation. For example. Very recent events. A mass of recorded events. The October events of 1917. The Great Revolution or an illegal rebellion? Who is right - the Whites or the Reds? Various historians will give you dozens of proofs of the rightness of one or the other...
                        So it's not science...
                      28. 0
                        4 December 2024 23: 02
                        We all learned little by little
                        something, and somehow


                        Interpretation - from Latin explanation, interpretation of something. And the process of communication during which intentions and actions of people are interpreted. This is about VOSR.
                        Who is right? This is no longer an interpretation of the events of the Great Patriotic War. Whether the whites or the reds are right is an ideology. Ideology, unlike Interpretation, is a set of views, concepts, traditions expressing the interests of residents. The new I came to replace the old one, and led to changes in power and society. But neither Interpretation nor Ideology have anything to do with historical science. But what is this mental balancing act for? You started to prove that if I personally do not know any dishonest Jews, then this means that they cannot exist at all.
                      29. 0
                        5 December 2024 02: 53
                        Interpretation is a theoretical and cognitive category; a method of scientific cognition aimed at understanding the internal content of the interpreted object through the study of its external manifestations. Interpretation occupies a central place in the methodology of the humanities, where the procedure for identifying the meaning and significance of the object being studied is the main strategy of the researcher.

                        And since this is a method of scientific knowledge and history is a science, historians must have an absolutely identical view of historical (scientific) facts that have already happened and cannot change - like in mathematics .2+2=4.

                        Of course, a historian cannot consider historical events from the point of view of ideology. He must simply evaluate the event as a scientific fact. But he does consider it. And he defends scientific degrees. And he is considered a historian. Moreover, he writes textbooks!!! Medinsky is an example for you with his history textbook.
                      30. 0
                        5 December 2024 03: 14
                        With aggressive Jews it is even simpler - if you do not meet dinosaurs on the street - it means that they do not exist. Let's not be like the blonde from the joke with her assessment of the probability of events
                      31. 0
                        2 December 2024 10: 27
                        It is important to distinguish between two parts of the Jewish people - Jews and Judeans. The second part is people with perverted morality, capable of the most terrible deeds.
                      32. 0
                        4 December 2024 21: 31
                        How do you separate them? recourse By religion? By the shape of the nose? By clothes?
                    2. -5
                      30 November 2024 17: 52
                      And the self-proclamation of a state among the Arab world - isn't that aggression?)))
                      1. +4
                        30 November 2024 18: 09
                        Under UN mandate, mind you.

                        The Declaration of Independence of Israel was proclaimed on May 14, 1948 (5 Iyar 5708)[comm. 1] on the basis of UN General Assembly Resolution No. 181, adopted on November 29, 1947.

                        There was a proclamation, but there is no self-proclamation.
                      2. -2
                        30 November 2024 18: 37
                        On May 15, 1948, the very next day after its proclamation
                        The State of Israel has applied to join the UN, but the Security Council
                        made no decision on it. The reapplication was rejected on December 17, 1948.
                        based on the voting results (five votes for, one against, five abstained).
                        Finally, on March 11, 1949, the Security Council approved the Israeli application, and exactly two months later,
                        On May 11, the General Assembly did the same, and Israel became the seventy-ninth member state of the UN.

                        Israel. A Complete History of the Country. Herschel Lehman. Page 145

                        First, read General Assembly Resolution No. 181
                        And show me the place where the state of Israel is proclaimed.
                      3. -1
                        30 November 2024 21: 19
                        You don't know the native language of Theodor Herzl, the founder of the Zionist state? laughing
                        P.S. Hebrew had not yet been revived when he was born.
                      4. +1
                        30 November 2024 22: 56
                        The UN approved a plan for the partition of Mandatory Palestine, which envisages the creation of an independent Jewish state.
                        Resolution 181 did not proclaim Israeli statehood, but "provided international legitimacy for Jewish claims to statehood."
                        The United Nations approved the creation of a Jewish state.
                      5. -4
                        30 November 2024 23: 12
                        Dear, since the Zionists did not reach an agreement with the Palestinians, it was a self-proclamation.

                        The English mandate expired. And the colonists armed themselves in advance. And they called themselves laughing
                        And then, like today. Some admitted it, some didn't.
                      6. +3
                        30 November 2024 23: 18
                        Balfour Declaration. Long before '48.
                        And how can we come to an agreement with the Palestinians if they did not recognize the right of the Jews to restore their state?
                      7. -4
                        1 December 2024 00: 34
                        Comrade, don't bother me with declarations. You can announce anything you want. The colonists were not given the right to seize other people's lands.

                        And then, you're like Zelensky. You don't understand anything reasonable. You're at the door, you're at the window... Yes laughing
                      8. -3
                        1 December 2024 01: 27
                        To agree, as everyone agrees. Especially since the Zionists did not have their own state. And you, comrade, continue to say, MINE. laughing
                      9. 0
                        4 December 2024 21: 34
                        The destruction of the Kingdom of Israel - is it not aggression? The Jews simply want to live on their historical land. Like the Russians in Crimea) and from this point of view they have even more rights - because they lived on earth as a people longer.
                    3. 0
                      5 December 2024 19: 17
                      Tell me, where did the population of Palestine go when your people began to migrate? Maybe you killed them with weapons that came to you on ships from numerous diasporas, wasn't that where it all started? The land by that time was populated and developed by another people.
                      1. 0
                        5 December 2024 19: 33
                        Whose land is it originally? Which people's? We are for justice Yes Both in Israel and in Donbass.
            2. -1
              30 November 2024 17: 30
              How did they hold him back? laughing

              American lawyer Alan Dershowitz provides evidence that there is less discrimination in Israel than in any other Middle Eastern state, and that Israel is among the best countries in the area of ​​human rights.
              1. 0
                30 November 2024 18: 27
                Deterrence regarding the use of force in response to unmotivated aggression.
                1. -4
                  30 November 2024 19: 42
                  Seven. The US alone can't handle it. Israel needs at least seven countries to hold it. Yes laughing
                  1. +2
                    30 November 2024 23: 02
                    There is no need to support Israel at all. There is no need - if you do not touch it.
                    1. -4
                      1 December 2024 00: 40
                      The snake pit you've created there doesn't deserve any good words.
                      Imagine a place where eight million Zelenskys were gathered. laughing Yes
  3. 0
    30 November 2024 16: 06
    to help the people of Donbass, demilitarize and denazify Ukraine, and protect its “new” and “old” regions.

    Here is the answer between the lines. Why the hell does the West need such protection, in the "lunar landscapes" of the "new" and "old" regions. Ukraine? They probably think: It is better there than somewhere else to protect Poland, the Baltics, Azerbaijan and Turkey in the lunar landscapes...
    And the old stuff needs to be dumped, NATO needs to be expanded, the deflated military-industrial complex needs to be revamped, the incompetent Armed Forces need to be built up, the dissatisfied need to be suppressed, face needs to be saved, and it needs to be done inexpensively and unhurriedly...

    And here the HPP is just like a gift - do all this referring to somewhere far away Ukraine...
    Who would refuse such a gift...
  4. +3
    30 November 2024 16: 33
    There's more to come, Pandora's box just needs to be opened, that's why the West doesn't want a compromise with Russia on Ukraine

    Nonsense. The redivision of borders is constantly happening.
    The article is more like a search for excuses for the authorities, a preliminary testing of the waters to determine people's attitudes toward future negotiations and leaks.
    1. -1
      30 November 2024 17: 01
      Nonsense. The redivision of borders is constantly happening

      Examples in Europe after Helsinki? Apart from the collapse of federal states. That's how it is - so that one takes a piece from the other.
      1. +1
        1 December 2024 12: 28
        Well, Kosovo is just such an example - it was not a subject of a federal state with the right to secede, and it was torn away from Serbia by a coalition of states. And the fact that it has not yet been annexed to Albania, and it is supposedly independent - these are insignificant details.
        Another thing is that serious preparatory work was carried out there - preparation of public opinion, legal, diplomatic. To begin... liberation unexpectedly even for one's own population, and what is much worse - for one's own army, not to mention complete indifference in matters of studying the future enemy, in creating a coalition of allies and sowing discord in the camp of the opponents, this is truly a new word in the writing of history. As they say - you can enter it, or you can get into trouble... Which is what happened.
        1. 0
          1 December 2024 12: 54
          I am not talking about the disintegration of states into independent state entities, but about annexation. The joining of a piece of one country to another by force.
          1. 0
            1 December 2024 12: 58
            Yes, I understand you, but let me be Vanga: sooner or later Kosovo will legally or de facto become part of Albania. But I agree (I already wrote about this) - on a much smaller scale than in the case of the SVO, here everything was done with an eye on legal, diplomatic procedures, and not demonstratively ignoring all this "nonsense".
            1. 0
              1 December 2024 13: 13
              Kosovo is more like an analogue of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Which may also become part of Russia over time. But this is not an annexation in its purest form. Therefore, there is no such indignation in the world regarding these entities.
              1. 0
                1 December 2024 13: 18
                I agree with this. The main difference between Abkhazia and Crimea is that the second war in Abkhazia happened in 2008, and Crimea - in 2014. Probably, in 6 years someone completely and finally believed in his geostrategic genius.
                1. 0
                  1 December 2024 13: 30
                  I agree. Perhaps, if it hadn't been for such a quick annexation... If it had been an independent (even if unrecognized) republic... it would have been easier.
                  1. +1
                    1 December 2024 13: 42
                    Everything would depend on how much such an independent Crimea would be a better (or worse) place to live, in comparison with Ukraine. And, by the way, how much profit would there be for the Russian Federation from supporting (and it would not have worked out any other way) its "independence". In '22, the fierce resistance of Ukrainians, even ethnic Russians, was largely due to the fact that they had seen for 8 years what was happening in the supposedly independent pro-Russian LPR and DPR, which had turned into classic criminal offshore zones, where shelling by the Ukrainian Armed Forces was only the least of the problems of the local population. Well, and the example of Abkhazia, which has been serving as a vacuum cleaner for the Russian budget for decades, while not letting Russian business in - it is not very inspiring. It is clear that someone regularly receives kickbacks for the allocation of budget tranches, but this is clearly disproportionate to the expenditure of resources. Something like this could have come out of "independent" Crimea.
                    1. +1
                      1 December 2024 13: 46
                      I agree again. There are a lot of pitfalls. But, compared to what is happening now... I don't even know which option is better.. at least so many Russian men on both sides would not have died..
  5. 0
    30 November 2024 16: 39
    um, well they invested a lot of bucks there. The business doesn't want to be recorded.
  6. -1
    30 November 2024 16: 46
    The question is actually serious. Giving the rest of Ukraine to the West means that part will join NATO. If the compromise is designed for a bright future, then there is nothing wrong with that. Russia has been in such scrapes. And it has sunk its fleets. It has happened. But it always stood up to its full height. Because it believed in the future. According to international documents, Ukraine does not belong to us. Thanks to Yeltsin, Kravchuk, Shushkevich, who signed the Belovezh Accords. And thus legitimized the statehood of Ukraine. But not all is lost. Life goes on. And the biggest stupidity would be a nuclear war. It will not solve anything. It will only destroy the course of history.
    1. +2
      30 November 2024 17: 49
      According to international documents, Ukraine does not belong to us.

      If you are making such a statement, please provide a link to a document that states who owns Ukraine. There is no need to refer to the UN, since it is a public club of states (like a beer lovers' club), which is not a guarantor and does not bear responsibility. For the Russian Federation, the designated state of Ukraine is nobody, a "gray territorial zone".
      The Treaty "On Friendship, Cooperation and Partnership between the Russian Federation and Ukraine" dated May 31, 1997 ceased to be valid on April 1, 2019 due to its denunciation by Ukraine. The termination of this Treaty releases the Russian Federation from any obligation in relation to Ukraine.
      There are no compromises in territorial conflicts, wars for territories, there is a winner and a loser. A compromise on Ukraine is Russia's capitulation. You can call capitulation whatever you want, hang tons of noodles, but the essence will not change. The Russian government is afraid of defeat and victory in the SVO in Ukraine. Capitulation - a compromise will lead to a change of power within the Russian Federation, this is death for the current people. There are many towers in the Kremlin that also want to rule. The victory of the Russian Federation in the SVO will irritate NATO with the "elite" of the Russian Federation and this "elite" will be cut into ribbons. That is why the "elite" of the Russian Federation chose the path of sitting out, creating uncertainty, when there are no victories and defeats. The bourgeoisie is happy, the profit is coming, and the people of Russia and Ukraine are decreasing.
      1. +3
        1 December 2024 12: 41
        Again, you are stretching an owl onto a globe. According to the Constitution of the USSR, starting with the very first one, 1922, and including the one in effect at the time of the collapse of the Union, any union republic had the right to secede from the USSR, and after that, naturally, belonged to itself, to its people (who, according to the mythology currently accepted in the Russian Federation, never existed, and the name Ukrainian SSR, obviously, was invented by someone themselves). If laws specifying the mechanism for such an exit were not adopted in a timely manner, this does not cancel the provision of the constitution. Automatically, such a decision is made by the legally elected authority of the union republic - its Supreme Council, which is what happened. And there was a referendum, by the way. Even in Sevastopol and Crimea, the majority voted for the exit - you can find the data yourself on the Internet. And no approval by the Supreme Soviet of the USSR was required, just as no one was interested in its opinion on the Declaration of State Sovereignty of the RSFSR adopted on June 12, 1990 (the main state holiday of the Russian Federation, if you are not aware), which proclaimed the supremacy of the laws and authorities of the RSFSR over the all-Union ones on its territory, which put an end to both the existence of the USSR as a single capable state and the mythical claims of the Russian Federation to some kind of Soviet legacy. Why would it be, if the RSFSR was not even among the last to leave the Union? What right does one fragment of the USSR have, even the largest one, to the territory of another?
        1. -1
          1 December 2024 14: 48
          The withdrawal of the Republic of Ukraine from the USSR was possible only with a positive decision received at the USSR Referendum and the implementation of the USSR Law of April 3, 1990 No. 1409-I “On the procedure for resolving issues related to the withdrawal of a union republic from the USSR”.
          The USSR Constitution of 1977 was adopted by all the peoples of the USSR, and only the entire people of the USSR could give permission for Ukraine to leave the USSR.
          The withdrawal of Ukraine without a national referendum in the USSR and failure to comply with the law of April 3, 1990 No. 1409-I is a criminal offense that has no statute of limitations.
          1. +1
            1 December 2024 16: 59
            Ah... poor owl, poor globe...
          2. 0
            3 December 2024 13: 52
            Quote: vlad127490
            The USSR Constitution of 1977 was adopted by all the peoples of the USSR, and only the entire people of the USSR could give permission for Ukraine to leave the USSR.

            Nothing of the sort. Communists They are simultaneously criticized for giving the right to exit and for not giving the right to exit.
            Each republic since 1922 has been considered sovereign state , had its own government and its own legislative power. This was not cancelled in 1977 or in any way. That is why it had the right to leave. Just like today's North American states or any EU country.

            But to talk about these subtleties in a society in which three guys - bosses in 1991 - could come to a border region and sign a worthless document in the forest at night that the country with a population of 300 million no longer exists - It's the same as demanding that the Papuans of the Solomon Islands comply with the Constitution.
            1. 0
              5 December 2024 13: 18
              The unilateral appeal of the Supreme Council of Ukraine adopted on December 5, 1991, "To the Parliaments and Peoples of the World", which declared that "Ukraine considers the 1922 Treaty on the Creation of the USSR to be invalid and inoperative in relation to itself" is null and void, since in 1936 a new Constitution of the USSR was adopted, with the entry into force of which the 1924 Constitution of the USSR ceased to be in effect, including the 1922 Treaty on the Formation of the USSR. The 1922 Treaty on the Formation of the USSR did not exist as an independent legal document. The Treaty expired in 1936.
  7. -1
    30 November 2024 17: 39
    But Washington does not recognize such a right for Russia. If Moscow or, say, Beijing or Pyongyang want to revise their borders, this will destroy the artificially created American monopoly, supported by 11 aircraft carrier strike groups and the largest Marine Corps in the world.

    And the United States of America, supported by the 11th AUG and the Marine Corps, have they reviewed their borders? They don't want to accept Puerto Rico into the composition, although the Puerto Ricans are very much asking to be included.
    1. -1
      30 November 2024 19: 03
      You don't consider yourself a fool, do you? So why do you take others for that?
    2. +2
      30 November 2024 20: 37
      Quote from Pembo
      have you reviewed your boundaries?

      Well, yes. Constantly. How did Hawaii become part of the USA? Read up.
      1. +1
        1 December 2024 17: 05
        I read it. Annexed in 1898. Became the 1959th state of the USA in 50. In the 19th century, many people annexed things, now it's the 21st century.
        1. 0
          2 December 2024 09: 12
          Quote from Pembo
          In 1959 became the 50th state of the USA. In the 19th century many people annexed what

          1959, it turns out, is the 19th century... Well, that explains a lot... hi
    3. +1
      1 December 2024 10: 36
      And the United States of America, supported by the 11th AUG and the Marine Corps, have they reviewed their borders? They don't want to accept Puerto Rico into the composition, although the Puerto Ricans are very much asking to be included.

      read it if you didn't know
      https://topcor.ru/53610-kak-ssha-iz-byvshej-kolonii-prevratilis-v-mirovogo-gegemona.html
      1. +2
        1 December 2024 17: 43
        I read, everything was bought, everything was legally formalized, everything was internationally recognized. And with Crimea, there were also options. Purchases. Independent Crimea could have asked for international help, and if only Russia had responded, well, it’s not our fault. And only then could we have talked about joining. Haste is needed when catching fleas.
  8. +3
    30 November 2024 18: 28
    As I understand it, when the SVO began, the leadership had a poor understanding of the consequences of this step.
    1. +3
      30 November 2024 23: 31
      As I understand it, when the SVO began, the leadership had a poor understanding of the consequences of this step.

      It understood, but only one step forward, and there were not one or two steps. In short, the adventure failed. I wonder who planned it?
      1. +2
        1 December 2024 12: 48
        One can only say for sure who said this. And it was obviously planned that the opponent would resign after the first move, but it didn't work out... And then it turned out that the grandmaster didn't know any other strategy except for the children's checkmate, which didn't work out.
        1. +1
          1 December 2024 17: 49
          And then it turned out that the grandmaster didn’t know any other strategy except for the children’s checkmate, which didn’t work out.

          Well said!
        2. +1
          2 December 2024 18: 28
          Something might have worked out if the enemy asked for negotiations. But if you are planning a blitzkrieg, don't break the plan.
          As K. Clausewitz said:

          The very first, most important, and most important, in terms of consequences, decision that the statesman and commander must make is to determine the type of war into which he is immersed; one cannot go wrong here, just as one cannot try to turn war into something contrary to its nature.
    2. 0
      5 December 2024 19: 39
      Quote: Andrey_Afanasyev
      As I understand it, when the SVO began, the leadership had a poor understanding of the consequences of this step.

      And the Bolsheviks, who are being criticized here, who did what no one had done before them, could not have made mistakes. Only those who do nothing make no mistakes.
      1. 0
        6 December 2024 17: 18
        Just don't let this demagogy happen. Inaction is sometimes the biggest mistake, and action to correct this mistake leads to an even bigger mistake,
        Besides, a mistake by a specialist and a mistake by an incompetent person are two different things. I don't think you would want to fly on a plane or sail on a ship where the captain makes unacceptable mistakes. There are permissible mistakes and there are unacceptable ones, and their price is different.
  9. -2
    1 December 2024 01: 58
    Apparently, according to the plan of the global w/masonic group, to give away for something given away for nothing, this smacks of idiocy. Well, who will return to the Indians their former lands with cities, industry and communications?
  10. +1
    1 December 2024 10: 03
    Quote: Andrey_Afanasyev
    As I understand it, when the SVO began, the leadership had a poor understanding of the consequences of this step.

    Quote: Alexey Lan
    As I understand it, when the SVO began, the leadership had a poor understanding of the consequences of this step.

    It understood, but only one step forward, and there were not one or two steps. In short, the adventure failed. I wonder who planned it?

    Military-political adventure?! winked
  11. -2
    1 December 2024 16: 38
    There is such a tradition in Europe. Once every 100-150 years they gather and together with Russia divide the territories of the so-called "Ukraine".
  12. -2
    1 December 2024 18: 30
    The US dominance in the world is also due to the NATO bloc, which includes three countries that have nuclear weapons. This is, for now, the strongest military bloc. Russia needs to create its own military bloc with Belarus, China, North Korea, Iran and others, time will tell how realistic this is. When creating a bloc, it would be good to get some kind of single currency.
  13. -1
    1 December 2024 21: 09
    one trojan commander surrendered a fortress to the romans, then the soldiers crucified him..... defeat in his own way will destroy putin because relying on corrupt officials has not doubled anyone anywhere and putin's last hope is these patriots, and they will definitely be offended..... all the author's reasoning about different opinions and tendencies is the usual inteligent nonsense, if the whole of the russian federation wins the apu by any means, even by destroying all of western ukraine turning it into ruins reminiscent of gaza and beirut, then putin will emerge victorious and no one will condemn him, but if putin starts thinking and being afraid and thinking about what and who will think and what tendencies this will cause, then he will lose, that's all
  14. 0
    1 December 2024 21: 37
    Probably it doesn't want to because the Russian Federation itself has been on the waiting list since 91. What's the point of stopping the absorption process?
  15. -1
    2 December 2024 14: 29
    Because their main goal is to move Israel to Crimea.
  16. 0
    5 December 2024 19: 19
    Quote: Strange guest
    The destruction of the Kingdom of Israel - is it not aggression? The Jews simply want to live on their historical land. Like the Russians in Crimea) and from this point of view they have even more rights - because they lived on earth as a people longer.

    So you didn’t have to lose your state; you didn’t want to die for your homeland.
  17. 0
    5 December 2024 19: 23
    Quote: Strange guest
    The early Middle Ages is a little-studied part of history. Who was to blame for the collapse of Kievan Rus? To be honest, it was entirely the fault of the Russians. It's logical, after all.

    Collapse is the division of a single state power into smaller, princely ones. But the lands inhabited by people were not divided and the people were one, and you and yours were constantly running around, so that your example is no good...
  18. 0
    5 December 2024 19: 26
    Quote from Voo
    Apparently, according to the plan of the global w/masonic group, to give away for something given away for nothing, this smacks of idiocy. Well, who will return to the Indians their former lands with cities, industry and communications?

    Good example
  19. 0
    5 December 2024 19: 28
    Quote from: lord-pallador-11045
    Who was to blame for the collapse of Kievan Rus? To be honest, it was entirely the Russians' fault.

    and here I disagree with you - Kievan Rus did not fall apart - it grew into the Russian kingdom, and then into the Russian empire, and only thanks to the Bolsheviks did it fall.

    Well, yes, and under the bourgeoisie it grew and prospers, there is an article about Russian Railways here, there is a lot about prosperity. Check it out.
  20. 0
    5 December 2024 19: 32
    Quote: Strange guest
    Why according to legend?
    Do you also believe that Jews, who have given so much to modern civilization, from cultural and religious to scientific and economic values, do not have the right to their own state?

    True, and they also invented Christ, ripping off, for example, the universal flood from previous civilizations, which supposedly left nothing cultural or religious behind, right?
  21. 0
    5 December 2024 19: 42
    Quote: shore72
    A teacher at my school and a doctor. Note - not a single mechanic or turner. No one interfered with the Jews, on the contrary, they helped in creating a nest, but for some reason it was not enough for the Jews... What?

    You don't know their history well, there was a lot of things there, they were always aggressive, like an eye for an eye, and when the pharaoh had them, who didn't know their criticality, they gave up. If you get hit on the left cheek....))
  22. 0
    5 December 2024 19: 44
    Quote: Strange guest
    Look at the entire history of Israel's wars since its formation in the 20th century and name at least one where the Jews were the instigators.

    You forgot the forerunner, the first years of migration, and everything else is a consequence of your deeds
  23. 0
    6 December 2024 06: 15
    The West is forced to pretend that the world has not changed, which is expressed in absolutely unrealistic scenarios of the end of the NWO, which are published and expressed in the US and Europe. The most terrible thing, the recognition of the loss of authority, global power, the recognition of the decline in the status of the US itself and especially the EU countries, the West is trying to hide behind a ostentatious confidence that their ability to dictate conditions and coerce has not changed in any way.

    They have a serious problem brewing, because after the conflict there will be a gigantic "understanding" of what happened in the last 3 years. Not only the media will have to somehow suck this conflict, wrap it in an acceptable narrative and pass it off as, if not a victory, then at least as "defending Ukraine". The entire scientific community will analyze the conflict. This process is inevitable, the question of who won will influence everything.

    Therefore, the problem is so gigantic that there are simply no good options for the West. Especially considering the role of the US in creating the conflict, all the decisions during the conflict, the goals that the West loudly voiced.

    The hope that Russia will agree to give in to its interests in order to give the West a chance to save face and digest what happened for their societies, and also to convince the world that they are still in charge, that nothing has changed, is hardly feasible. Russia will not be able to agree to anything other than achieving the goals of the NWO and establishing a new world order.
  24. 0
    6 December 2024 17: 36
    Why the West does not want to compromise with Russia on Ukraine.

    In order for people to compromise with you, you have to be quite uncompromising.
  25. 0
    14 October 2025 16: 02
    Weakness and negotiations cannot win!