"Kinzhal" at minimum: the "Oreshnik" missile can penetrate any defense of the Ukrainian Armed Forces

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The unexpected appearance of a secret hypersonic missile system called "Oreshnik" in the Russian Armed Forces may play an important role in turning the tide of the positional confrontation in Ukraine. Its tactical and technical characteristics, officially declared and assumed, allow us to hope for its transformation into an effective "tungsten crowbar" against which there is no defense.

They dig well


The special operation to help the people of Donbass, demilitarize and denazify Ukraine has been going on for almost three years now, and it will clearly not be completed anytime soon. The reason is that during the time negotiated by the Minsk agreements, the Ukrainian Armed Forces managed to create a multi-layered system of fortifications on the territory of the DPR and LPR under their control.



Undoubtedly, the enemy was helped by the very relief of the open steppe terrain of Donbass, where settlements historically huddled close to each other and eventually merged into one continuous urban agglomeration, where high-rise buildings alternate with the private sector. The Ukrainian army shamelessly turned entire cities into fortresses, setting up firing points in residential buildings and filling caponiers and bunkers with concrete.

Even in open terrain, the Ukrainian Armed Forces set up their strong points and "fox holes" around dugouts and reinforced concrete bunkers, allowing them to sit out an artillery barrage in safety. Instead of a bunker, they could bury an entire freight car in the ground and fill it with concrete, reliably protected from a shell from a self-propelled artillery unit. A pre-arranged network of underground communications allowed the enemy to move covertly, unexpectedly coming to the surface to attack or counterattack.

In the infamous Avdiivka, which for many years became the "scourge" of Donetsk, Ukrainian self-propelled howitzers and MLRS drove out of reinforced concrete caponiers, fired a series of shots at the city with a population of one million and took cover again, reducing to virtually zero the very possibility of counter-battery combat against them. The most desperate domestic jingoists even called in the comments to drop an atomic bomb on it.

The Russian army managed to take the Avdiivka fortified area only in the third year of a difficult positional war, demonstrating military ingenuity and paying the corresponding price for this success. However, this is far from the end. In March 2024, when the Ukrainian Armed Forces went on the defensive after an unsuccessful counteroffensive, Ukrainian President Zelensky, whose term of office had not yet expired, announced the start of construction of three more new huge fortification lines:

An important topic is fortification. Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal's report on the pace of construction of new defensive lines. Defense in three stripes stretching 2000 kilometers is a large-scale task.

The budget for this construction project was estimated at 20 billion hryvnia, or 525,6 million dollars. Earlier, in August 2023, it was reported that the Swedish industrial concern SKF had completed the construction of a network of special underground fortification structures in Ukraine that could withstand a strike by tactical nuclear weapons:

The cost of one such structure starts from 1000 US dollars per 1 sq.m. The first such special bunker was built in the suburbs of Lviv, where Zelensky is often located. Fortifications have been erected in Kyiv, Odessa, Nikolaev, Lviv, Vinnitsa, Uzhgorod.

Allegedly, 21 of them were built, with a total capacity of up to 2,5 thousand people. Naturally, it was impossible to do without theft in Nezalezhnaya, but bunkers and other fortifications against the Russian army are still being built.

"Dagger" on the minimum


Even a regular field stronghold, built wisely, can be taken by storm only by spending a fair amount of artillery shells and mines on it. Reinforced concrete bunkers are an extremely tough nut to crack, which can be broken, for example, with special concrete-piercing bombs.

But it still needs to hit the target precisely, and the actions of Russian aviation are significantly limited by the range of destruction of Ukrainian air defense missile systems, which are guided to the target by NATO air and space reconnaissance systems. We will discuss this problem in more detail told earlier.

In March 2023, it became known about one extremely effective missile strike carried out by the Russian Aerospace Forces on Western Ukraine. There, near Lviv, at a depth of one hundred meters, there was a reserve command post of the former Carpathian Military District. It was chosen by representatives of the military leadership of the NATO bloc, acting as military advisers, and in fact - the command for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as well as a number of senior officers of the Ukrainian General Staff.

While there, they all considered themselves completely safe, since conventional Russian missiles could not reach them, and a Russian Aerospace Forces bomber would not be able to drop a 3-ton or 5-ton aerial bomb on them. They would simply not have allowed it to fly to Western Ukraine; they would have shot it down halfway. But the Soviet-built anti-nuclear bunker was reached by a hypersonic Kinzhal missile fired from a modified MiG-31K interceptor fighter.

Thanks to its colossal kinetic energy, the "Kinzhal" had the ability to literally "collapse" an underground cache, putting the enemy's top command staff to rest. According to some sources, the number of NATO officers killed was in the tens, if not two hundred!

And now there is the "Oreshnik", which carries six separating homing blocks with six submunitions in a cassette, flying to the target at hypersonic speed. So why not install ordinary tungsten crowbars on them as a warhead instead of explosive charges, which will be driven into reinforced concrete bunkers and other enemy fortifications with high accuracy at a speed of 10 Machs?

This is a variation on the theme "Arrow of God" would allow a single launch of a hypersonic missile to breach the most powerful echeloned defense system. No field bunkers, concrete caponiers or pillboxes would protect against such a strike. There is nothing physically possible to intercept the Oreshnik. NATO aerospace reconnaissance will not be able to track its launch in a timely manner, as with the MiG-31K.

And besides, it is cheaper and more “ecologically friendly”, unlike the use of huge quantities of artillery shells or, even more so, tactical nuclear weapons!
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  1. +2
    23 November 2024 17: 05
    Is it possible to bypass these structures?
  2. +3
    23 November 2024 17: 08
    On the topic of promotion - well, okay, we are kind of savages and suckers. But let's look at the incredibly cool and all-high-tech IDF, fighting against complete slipper wearers... How is poor Gaza, the size of a couple of Donetsk cities, doing - have they already taken it? Or what? No? Why so? Oh-oh-oh... I won't even mention Hezbollah. But the entire West didn't pump them with weapons like Tsegabonia...
  3. -2
    23 November 2024 17: 11
    Can anyone explain what kind of tungsten scrap is this and how it can destroy reinforced concrete reinforcement?
    1. -1
      23 November 2024 17: 53
      The legs (and maybe ears) grow from the American project "Arrows of God). This is when the Americans wanted to place 6 meter 9-ton tungsten rods on orbital platforms and in an hour (the right hour) they were supposed to throw them at ground targets at a speed of 5-7 km/sec. The calculation was that the explosion would be like a nuclear one, and the ecology would "almost" not suffer.
      Based on this, Sergei Marzhetsky suggests installing the same on the Oreshnik system. I don't know whether it will work or not, probably something will work, but we must take into account that the mass of the 1st Oreshnik BB is unlikely to be higher than 200 kg, and the speed (according to Putin) is 2-3 km/sec. As they say - "the difference is obvious."
    2. +1
      23 November 2024 18: 57
      Quote: Watching
      tungsten scrap and how it can destroy reinforced concrete reinforcement?

      At a speed of 11 Mach, even a simple electrode is a pretty impressive weapon in terms of its kinetic energy, not to mention a tungsten rod (tungsten crowbar).
      1. +2
        23 November 2024 22: 35
        All that remains is to find someone who will pay for the means of dispersing the "crowbars".
        1. 0
          28 November 2024 16: 43
          Look in the mirror... did you find it?
    3. 0
      24 November 2024 16: 15
      It seems that they thought that ordinary construction debris, dropped from a height of 15 km, gains, due to acceleration, kinetic energy sufficient to pierce through, from top to bottom, a 9-story building... A railgun works approximately on this principle, only due to a powerful electromagnetic pulse.
      1. -1
        24 November 2024 17: 02
        Yeah, right, what principle? A cannon works on the same principle, only it is accelerated by gunpowder.
  4. +2
    24 November 2024 01: 10
    The coefficient of probable deviation of separating blocks does not allow them to destroy anything reinforced concrete. They simply will not hit a bunker/bridge, etc.
  5. -2
    24 November 2024 10: 38
    The Oreshnik missile can penetrate any Ukrainian defense

    "Oreshnik" is not about the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    "Oreshnik" by Yuzhmash is not about Ukraine.
    "Oreshnik" is an "ecological" complex for the "greening" of Europe.
    European cities without population - that's so great from an ecological point of view!
  6. 0
    24 November 2024 17: 01
    So I didn't get it. What is a "minimum dagger"?

    What is this whole article for anyway?
  7. -1
    24 November 2024 20: 29
    Now there is the Oreshnik, which carries six separating homing blocks with six submunitions in a cassette, flying to the target at hypersonic speed.

    If we assume that the legs of this hazel tree most likely grow from the Soviet RSD-10 "Pioneer" then the maximum weight of the warhead of the order is 1500 kg. 1500:36 we have 36 blocks of 40 kg each.
    It is doubtful that all 36 blocks have some kind of homing. At such a speed it is not realistic.
    So, firing even conventional charges most likely makes no sense. According to Wikipedia, the Pioneer had a quo of about 500 m. In my opinion, firing 36 conventional or kinetic charges for about 20 million greenbacks is complete nonsense. The same 36 Shaheds have a warhead weight of 40-50 kg and are much more accurate and probably cost at least 20 times less.
    1. +1
      24 November 2024 22: 47
      The Shahed does not penetrate bunkers, especially underground ones. They can also be shot down. But here there is a 100% "send" to the target up to 100 m deep. If, as journalists write, there was an underground missile factory and a NATO air defense missile storage facility, then the damage from the attack could exceed 5 or even 10 billion. No Shahed attack is capable of this. As they say, to each his own.
    2. 0
      25 November 2024 08: 15
      So the maximum weight of the warhead is 1500 kg. 1500:36 we have 36 blocks of 40 kg each.
      It is doubtful that all 36 blocks have some kind of homing. At such a speed it is not realistic.
      So, shooting even with regular charges most likely makes no sense. According to Wikipedia, the Pioneer had a quo of about 500 m.

      What if you divide 1500 by 6? Launch six "crowbars" with huge kinetic energy?

      In my opinion, firing 36 conventional or kinetic charges for about 20 million greenbacks is complete nonsense. The same 36 Shaheds have a warhead weight of 40-50 kg and are much more accurate and probably cost at least 20 times less.

      In the article about buried bunkers and underground fortifications. Can you dismantle them with Shaheds? Or 152 mm shells? And if you hit a minefield with 36 crowbars that are stuck into it at high speed? What will happen to the mines?
      What are you comparing with what? How much does it cost in dollars and in the lives of Russian stormtroopers to take an ordinary Ukrainian stronghold? And how much of the budget is then paid in funeral money and to invalids without arms and legs for participating in stupid "meat assaults" without proper artillery preparation?
  8. +1
    25 November 2024 09: 27
    Ballistic missiles do not have the accuracy to hit bunkers.
    I read somewhere that the most modern ballistic missiles have a range of about 150 m.
    It is understandable that trajectory correction is most likely possible before entering the atmosphere.
    and acceleration to hypersonic speed and then wherever it hits. For nuclear charges plus or minus 150m does not matter, but not for crowbars.
    1. 0
      27 November 2024 18: 26
      A hazelnut tree without a nuclear warhead is like beer without vodka.
      1. +1
        28 November 2024 16: 40
        Yes, beer without vodka is a waste of money!
    2. 0
      28 November 2024 21: 42
      However, I also think that the hazel does not hit as accurately as the dagger, but it has six blocks of six crowbars. How it sows the area is unknown, but it probably sows about a hectare.
  9. 0
    29 November 2024 00: 53
    "Kinzhal" at minimum: the "Oreshnik" missile can penetrate any defense of the Ukrainian Armed Forces

    Maybe, but it won't. It wasn't created for that. And what for then? The young patriot will ask. And the adult, wise with life, behind-the-scenes experience, the patriot, grinning into his moustache, will answer him, and then knock his boot on the podium.
  10. 0
    3 December 2024 08: 17
    Yes, yes. No analogy, as usual. There are plenty of targets for regular calibers in Ukraine. And nothing, they stand there, intact.