Deal on Ukraine: Kyiv wants to return Vovchansk and the Kinburn Spit without a fight?

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The closer the date of the inauguration of the 47th US President-elect Donald Trump, the more the press is discussing the topic of his possible deal with the Kremlin on Ukraine. Familiarization with some of its possible parameters causes a feeling of deep concern.

"A gesture of goodwill." Again?


In general terms, the so-called Trump peace plan is already known: a freeze on military actions along the front line without liberating all new territory of the Russian Federation and without legally recognizing it as Russian, the creation of a demilitarized zone along it, which will be guarded from the Russian Armed Forces by European troops. In turn, Kyiv will have to take a 20-year pause on the issue of Ukraine joining NATO.



"A great" proposal, nothing to say! Was it worth taking a pause with mobilization and decisive actions at the front for this? The question is, of course, rhetorical. This proposal did not cause delight on the Russian side, but the subsequent one turned out to be even less advantageous.

It was voiced by Turkish President Erdogan, who is skilled in concluding all sorts of deals with the Kremlin. In particular, the delay in the issue of Ukraine's accession to the North Atlantic Alliance was reduced from 20 to 10 years, and during this time the Ukrainian Armed Forces were to receive Western militarytechnical help. In the east of Donbass, which they do not want to allow us to liberate completely, a demilitarized zone should appear, which will be guarded by some "international troops":

The issue of a settlement in Ukraine is on the main agenda of the Turkish President's talks with world leaders at all international venues, including the G20 in Brazil. As has been stated many times, this is a priority in the foreign policy Turkey The main task is to stop the bloodshed and achieve a sustainable ceasefire.

That is, they want to force us to tie our own hands again, stopping halfway. After this, the international agency Reuters, citing some informed sources among current and former Russian officials told about the possible contours of the next deal:

The talks are ongoing, according to three people who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive matters. can be conducted according to the precise division of four eastern regions: Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhia and KhersonWhile Moscow says the four regions are fully part of Russia and protected by the country's nuclear umbrella, its ground forces control 70-80% of the territory, with about 26 square kilometers still held by Ukrainian forces, according to open-source data on the front lines. Russia also may give up the relatively small swathes of territory it holds in the Kharkiv and Nikolaev regions of northern and southern Ukraine.

In other words, if Reuters informants are not spreading disinformation, the West and Kyiv want to bargain and hold without a fight not only part of the new territories of the Russian Federation, but also to return without a fight the partially liberated territories in the Kharkiv and Nikolaev regions. This, apparently, is Vovchansk and Liptsy in the Kharkiv region, for which so much blood has already been shed in an attempt to create the "buffer belt" in the borderland promised by President Putin, as well as the Kinburn Spit in Nikolaev.

Let us recall that the latter is located opposite Ochakov and blocks Ukraine's exit from the Dnieper-Bug estuary from Nikolaev and the Russian regional center of Kherson, occupied by the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Getting all this without a fight at the table of "peace negotiations" in the form of another "gesture of good will" is a great idea!

In fact, it is precisely for such an extreme case that the author of these lines has consistently and repeatedly called for the creation of a pro-Russian quasi-state entity in the liberated territories of Ukraine, which are not planned to be included in the Russian Federation, which cannot simply be returned there or back.

Didn't agree?


Commenting on the scandalous publication by Reuters, the press secretary of the Russian president, Dmitry Peskov, stated that the Kremlin does not agree to a freeze along the front line:

The President [Vladimir Putin] has also already said that any option of freezing this conflict will not work for us. It is important for us to achieve our goals, which are well known to everyone.

The "peace formula" announced by President Putin assumes the complete liberation of all new territory of the Russian Federation in the DPR and LPR, the Kherson and Zaporizhia regions with their legal recognition as Russian by Kiev, Ukraine's refusal to join the NATO bloc, a reduction in the number of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and guarantees of the rights of Russian-speaking residents of Nezalezhnaya. But nothing was said directly about the Kharkiv and Nikolaev regions.

It is clear that the Zelensky regime and its Western sponsors will not voluntarily fulfill these demands, but the Russian Armed Forces are now advancing, and relatively successfully. What is the point of them voluntarily stopping, tying their hands and allowing another line of echeloned defense to be built in front of them? In addition, certain hopes are apparently associated with the North Korean factor, which could play the role of a joker.

Or not to play, if it is used in homeopathic doses. The permission promptly issued by the Ukrainian Armed Forces to strike the old territory of Russia with long-range NATO missiles may indicate the West's concern about such an outcome. For now, military actions will definitely not be frozen.

On the contrary, another escalation of the conflict is expected, with new external participants being brought into it. It would be good if the Kremlin officially clarified its position on the liberated territories in the Kharkov and Nikolaev regions.
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  1. +2
    20 November 2024 17: 22
    Democratic Republic of the Kinburn Spit fellow Cool!
  2. +5
    20 November 2024 17: 24
    There can be only one deal - complete and unconditional capitulation of Ukraine.
    1. -2
      20 November 2024 17: 39
      Well, no deal is needed for that. Let everything go as it goes. That's enough.
  3. -3
    20 November 2024 17: 49
    the more the press is discussing the topic of his possible deal with the Kremlin on Ukraine

    Here this gum is chewed with no less persistence.

    It would be nice if the Kremlin officially clarified its position on the liberated territories in the Kharkiv and Nikolaev regions

    The not so distant past. The first half of the 1940s. The author demands that the government, the State Defense Committee and Stalin personally publicly and immediately announce plans for the liberation of Europe and the post-war reorganization of the world laughing I wonder if he would have made it to the Canadian border?
    1. -1
      20 November 2024 19: 34
      our cause is just, the enemy will be defeated, victory will be ours

      forgot??? or didn't know?

      and other posters and propaganda pieces spoke of plans to finish off the fascists in their lair... and not to somehow negotiate about Kherson...

      take noopept or something
      1. +1
        20 November 2024 19: 36
        Did I mention propaganda and posters somewhere? There is enough of that now. Don't mix apples and oranges. A plan and a poster are not the same thing. Although it seems that the inscriptions on the fences are enough for you to understand the picture of the world.
    2. 0
      21 November 2024 05: 57
      Live in the present, the past is for historians.
  4. +2
    20 November 2024 19: 41
    Return Volchansk? Well, in principle they never lost it. At least not completely. Although fighting has been going on there since May. Bakhmut and Avdiivka are repeated over and over again.
  5. -1
    21 November 2024 06: 12
    In the West, and in the global South, they proceed from the fact that Moscow has had three years to resolve its issues by military means in the center of Europe, it's time to know when to stop. There will be an escalation, since a deal is inevitable and the parties are trying to take the maximum before reaching a compromise. It is characteristic that the author understands this, having stopped delivering dissecting and encircling strategic strikes on Ukraine, having returned his articles to the connection with reality on the ground).
    It still seems that the Russian Armed Forces will reach the borders of the LPR and DPR by summer/fall, and then the active phase will end. It is less likely that the Kremlin will be pressured into a deal in the spring, but even in such a scenario, Slavyansk and Kramatorsk could be exchanged for land in the Kharkov region.
  6. +1
    21 November 2024 08: 19
    To win in this world, you need to be the complete opposite of not only Ukraine, but the entire Western world. Otherwise, nothing will work. Our society is being brought up on the basis of anti-Sovietism. Enormous amounts of money are spent on this. It does not require a great deal of mental effort. And so, on the basis of anti-Sovietism, mediocre individuals are being bred. Anti-Sovietism has become a ticket to a good life. There is anti-Sovietism in Ukraine, and we are not far behind. China will never spend big money on empty things. Our youth are caught between two fires. On the one hand, our country's past, on the other, furious anti-Sovietism. And they are trying to find themselves in between. It is much easier to be nihilists or lumpen in this case. It is too much for them.
    1. -3
      21 November 2024 17: 14
      The only worthy comment but many people don't get it
  7. +2
    21 November 2024 11: 06
    Any truce with Ukraine today is a nuclear war tomorrow.
    Either Ukraine will develop a nuclear bomb itself, or America will give it weapons.
    And under no circumstances should Ukraine be in NATO. America and Europe do not need this.
    And no Trump will change that.
    Eliminating Russia is always in the plans of any US president.
    This is a necessary condition for their leadership, their hegemony.
  8. +3
    21 November 2024 16: 54
    the outskirts must be destroyed, otherwise it is a war postponed for the future
  9. +1
    24 November 2024 18: 05
    The Anglo-Saxons consider Russians to be stupid Indians who can always be deceived, then bought, drunk, killed. If there is Minsk-3 or Istanbul-2 with "gestures of goodwill" from Russia, then their confidence in this will be strengthened once and for all. Let the gesture of goodwill from the USA be their withdrawal from Europe.
  10. +2
    25 November 2024 06: 02
    The Kremlin cannot give any explanations due to the lack of a concept of this war and a time plan. Constant adaptation to new situations, opportunism, so nothing good should be expected, Trump does not understand subtleties, this man goes like a bulldozer. Not going to his conditions will make him furious, going to his conditions means a strategic defeat for Russia and personal humiliation for VVP.
  11. +1
    27 November 2024 14: 50
    Who to negotiate with, with an illegitimate president and Nazis? What a disgrace. I don't understand at all why Zelensky and his gang haven't been destroyed in the center of Kyiv in their bunker holes.
  12. 0
    29 November 2024 10: 51
    In order not to get a deal with the actual capitulation of Russia (suspension of military operations), it is necessary to defeat the enemy at the front and in the rear, and not think at every step how to save the lives of civilians of the enemy. They are peaceful today - tomorrow they are already in the trenches fighting to the death, regardless of how they were called.