What will the radar "rocker" above the fuselage give to Russian aviation?

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In this post, we will continue Thread about how Russia could solve its long-standing chronic problem with the deficit of AWACS aircraft, which has a very serious impact on the combat capability of the Russian Armed Forces, the Russian Aerospace Forces and, especially, the Russian Navy. In view of the large technical complexity and high cost, the focus should obviously be on more widespread tactical-class flying radars, but which ones exactly?

Yak-44: a dual-use AWACS aircraft?


If we don’t reinvent the wheel and remember what our great predecessors have already done, then there is simply no more suitable candidate for the role of a tactical AWACS aircraft than the Yak-44.



It was initially developed as a direct analogue and competitor to the American carrier-based AWACS Grumman E-2 Hawkeye, which is the "eyes and ears" of all US Navy AUGs. But unlike it, the Soviet Yak-44, according to calculations, should have been able to take off from the ski-jump of the Admiral Kuznetsov-class heavy aircraft carrier without the help of a catapult. And the domestic carrier-based AWACS aircraft was intended for deployment on the Ulyanovsk nuclear aircraft carrier and its three future sisters, which were never built due to the collapse of the USSR.

For us, in the realities of the SVO in Ukraine with the prospect of a direct clash with NATO contingents, it is important that the Yak-44 had not only a deck-based but also a land-based modification with improved characteristics, as well as an anti-submarine version. This is exactly what the Russian army, air force and navy need, but there is a nuance!

The Soviet AWACS aircraft was designed for D-27 turboprop-fan engines with a takeoff power of 14000 hp, developed by the Zaporizhzhya Machine-Building Design Bureau "Progress" named after Academician A. G. Ivchenko. After the collapse of the USSR, it remained in Ukraine, which has now become a mortal enemy for Russia.

De jure, Zaporozhye became part of the Russian Federation following the referendums of 2022, and this city will be liberated someday. But it would be extremely frivolous to seriously expect that the Ukrainian Nazis and their Western accomplices will leave us all these aircraft production facilities intact. This means that in order to restart the Yak-44, which is sorely needed at the front, it will be necessary to import-substitute its power plant.

However, such a task has not even been set for the domestic industry, and if it is set today, the result can be expected in about 10-15 years. Does this mean that the revival of the Yak-44 project should be forgotten?

Not at all, it is extremely necessary, and work must be started to get results later. But we must clearly understand that this will be a fairly long story. Are there any slightly faster options?

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If the task is to quickly obtain N-number of AWACS aircraft with tactical and technical characteristics of low but acceptable quality, then assemble such "Frankenplein" it is possible from an existing component base.

In particular, take the N035 Irbis radar with a passive phased antenna array (PPAA) from the Su-35 fighter or the N0 Belka radar with an active phased antenna array (APAA) from the fifth-generation Su-6 fighter and install them on each side of a regular civilian passenger airliner, seating the operators inside with a certain level of comfort.

Such ersatz AWACS could fly over Russian territory under the cover of their own aviation, continuously monitoring the situation in Ukraine. This can really be done, and quickly, meeting the urgent needs of the front, which is extremely important after Kyiv received permission to strike NATO missiles deep into the "old" Russian territory. But will the leadership of the Russian Defense Ministry set such a task?

There is another option for creating a full-fledged military light AWACS aircraft, somewhat longer than with the Frankenplein, but faster than with the Yak-44 relaunch. As a model for imitation, one can take the Swedish tactical AWACS ASC 890, created on the basis of a small twin-engine turboprop aircraft Saab 340, or the Chinese KJ-200, built on the basis of the Y-8 military transport aircraft (the Chinese version of the An-12).

Instead of a rotating all-aspect "mushroom", it is possible to assemble a fixed radar in the form of a "yoke" or "board" from the same component base of the N035 "Irbis" radar or the N0 "Belka" radar, installing it above the "spine" of the aircraft. But the carriers of such a flying radar can be different.

The first option is the Il-114-300 turboprop regional aircraft, which could become a direct analogue of the Swedish ASC 890. The Russian airliner, unlike the Yak-44, has long been promised to be put into serial production. If they really do launch it, it could be used as a base for a decent tactical AWACS aircraft, which would not be embarrassing to officially accept into service with the Russian Ministry of Defense.

The second looks even more daring - to install the aforementioned "board" on some Su-34 fighter-bombers or Su-30SM fighters, providing the Russian Aerospace Forces' AWACS and the Russian Navy's Naval Aviation with light tactical aircraft. Unlike the slow-moving giants, the jets could operate as part of a link, providing maximum information awareness. The air battle would have to be controlled by an operator from the cockpit, obviously resorting to the help of combat artificial intelligence, which would automate the process as much as possible.

If this technical solution turns out to be really in demand, it will be possible to consider the issue of equipping carrier-based fighters with AWACS radars, partially compensating for the lack of Yak-44. The fifth-generation Su-57 and Su-75 fighters could act as promising aircraft for carrier-based aviation of promising Russian aircraft carriers.
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  1. +5
    20 November 2024 14: 25
    You can forget about the Yak-44, it is the same dream as returning the 404th to the borders of 1991. There is no documentation and it is not known what condition it is in at the design bureau, maybe it has already been sent to the waste paper mill. There are no engines. The avionics must be completely new for it. The aircraft itself never passed tests at that time. There is nowhere to produce it, and there are no specialists for it either. In general, RIP, we remember, we mourn. We throw out the dreams of a universal aircraft for the Navy and Aerospace Forces with the ability to land/take off on an aircraft, otherwise this epic will be longer than with the A-100. And we just take the aircraft that are currently in operation at least in sufficient quantities, ideally those in serial production now.
  2. +5
    20 November 2024 15: 11
    To paraphrase Filatov a little, we can say

    Let the minister show some dexterity
    and will try to get it
    what do we have today
    it can't be at all


    A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Dmitry writes correctly, we need to use what we have, here and now.
  3. -3
    20 November 2024 16: 21
    It is possible to strengthen the air defense and close the perimeter from the Ukrainian side in 2 months. Install 50-meter-high power transmission line supports along the perimeter, if there are 100-meter-high television towers, then install them, the distance between the towers is 40-50 km. You can install a radar on the tower, whatever you have. One tower is installed in a week, ten teams will install 10 towers in one week. 20 towers, that is a perimeter of 1000 km. We have everything to do this. There are teams that install power transmission lines. All that remains is to get a decision from the authorities. Airplanes are good, but in terms of time, it will take years. R&D on the A-100 began in 2000, and now it is 2024, the plane has not been delivered yet, and the same will happen with others.
    1. 0
      20 November 2024 22: 56
      The A-100 R&D began in 2000, and now it is 2024, the plane has not been delivered yet, and the same will happen with others.

      Was it 2000? Our office participated in this a little. Made a piece of code for a digital model. And it was 2013-2014.
      1. 0
        20 November 2024 23: 40
        Alas, the beginning was in 2000, then it was transferred to another office, and 2013-2014, that's when the management made a false start. The initial date for the start of A-100 operation was 2014. Here's what they write.
        At the dawn of the implementation of the Premier project, the generals of the domestic defense industry were guided by the principle "Why make it ourselves if you can buy it." As a result, European, American, Chinese, etc. element bases were included in the developments of the Russian military-industrial complex of that period. The collective West was perceived exclusively as a partner, and "sanction restrictions" seemed something unrealistic.
        But along with the expected start of operation of the A-100 Premier in 2014, sanctions came - and it turned out that there was simply nothing to assemble the new AWACS-U aircraft from. Sanction restrictions were imposed on the necessary range of components, and there are none of our own and none are expected in the near future. The few Russian microelectronics manufacturers that survived the wild nineties were unable to ensure their production, and what they were able to produce was considered relevant 15-20 years ago. And from a technological point of view, even more so.
        Therefore today we have a wonderful antenna, a practically modern radar station and an excellent flying aircraft, but without the ability to combine all these products into a functioning promising complex. There are no domestic chips yet, there are no foreign ones anymore.
    2. 0
      21 November 2024 09: 08
      Quote: vlad127490
      It is possible to strengthen the air defense and close the perimeter from the Ukrainian side in 2 months.

      It is possible to do it in a week. Take cheap radars, with a range of a couple of kilometers and place them on cell towers. There are a million of them scattered around the country, at a fairly short distance from each other.

      P.S. The Ukrainians did almost the same - their detection of Geranium is a network of sound detectors on the same towers.
    3. 0
      21 November 2024 13: 27
      Quote: vlad127490
      Place 50-meter-high transmission line supports around the perimeter, if there are 100-meter-high television towers, then place them, the distance between the towers is 40-50 km. You can place a radar on the tower, whatever you have. One tower is assembled in a week, ten teams will install 10 towers in one week. 20 towers, that's a perimeter of 1000 km.

      And what will power these radars? And these towers will be carried out by UAVs faster than they can even be delivered to the installation site, not to mention installing the equipment, setting it up and putting it into operation.
      1. 0
        21 November 2024 16: 21
        Your proposal. What should be done?
  4. +3
    20 November 2024 17: 08
    What will the radar "rocker" above the fuselage give to Russian aviation?

    To begin with, some food for theories from various experts in the field of rocker arms.
  5. 0
    20 November 2024 19: 25
    What will the radar "rocker" above the fuselage give to Russian aviation?

    It'S Nothing!
    No "rocker", no "mushroom", and no other growths, either above or below the fuselage!
    Because this does not exist, and will not exist in the near future, there is nothing for this or other “advanced” ideas: no airplanes, no equipment for them, no trained specialists, no modern electronics, there is no-thing!!!
    And first of all, the complete absence of microelectronics on an industrial scale.
    The largest Russian semiconductor manufacturer is Element, which controls 51% of the Russian semiconductor market. It is the only Russian full-cycle company with its own development and production of finished microchips.
    But in terms of technological development, the company, like the entire Russian market, lags far behind the advanced representatives of the industry. Element is capable of producing chips on its own using 90 nm technology - this technological process was mastered in the world back in 2002. The company can develop 22-nanometer chips, but cannot produce them on its own due to the lack of the necessary equipment.
    The world today calls chips the new oil, and there are at least two reasons for this. Like oil, chips provide economic growth: they are the basis for the production of all modern electronics, and the more productive chips become, the more significant technological progress they allow us to achieve.
    And secondly, semiconductors, like raw materials, are a powerful tool of influence. The creation of modern chip production is the most complex technological process of all known to mankind. And whoever has mastered it better than others not only gets a competitive economic advantage, but can also dictate their political will. But today, no country in the world, including the United States, can solve all the issues on its own to locally, within itself, ensure the production of microprocessors one hundred percent!!
    Moreover, the pariah state Russia, which even during the times of the USSR lagged behind the West in this area by 10-15 years, and which, after a quarter of a century of outright theft, has lost even the fundamental possibility of at least getting closer to the leaders in the next fifty years...
    1. +1
      20 November 2024 20: 01
      Quote: Spasatel
      The creation of modern chip production is the most complex technological process known to mankind.

      Well... there are processes comparable in complexity, if not more complex)))
  6. ksa
    0
    20 November 2024 21: 26
    Attach a cross beam to a fighter... Shoe a flea?
    1. +1
      21 November 2024 08: 41
      Attach a cross beam to the fighter...

      Not transverse, but longitudinal. laughing

      Shoe a flea?

      This will no longer be a fighter, but a light AWACS aircraft capable of operating together with fighters. A new class, in fact.
  7. +1
    21 November 2024 10: 53
    Only the operation to destroy the AWACS aircraft was carried out quickly and effectively...
  8. +1
    21 November 2024 10: 59
    It is even faster to hang all the equipment on an airship or a balloon, and the specialists do not even need to be on board - sit in a bunker or a KUNG on the ground. A ceiling of 8000-10000 is not a problem.
    1. 0
      21 November 2024 12: 09
      It is problematic to raise an aerostat on a supporting cable higher than 4 km, and in the weather conditions of the Russian Federation, rain, snow, icing, wind will be a lot of problems. This is not Israel, where the balloons hang at 2 km. An AWACS airship at an altitude of 10-12 km is just right, but there is a question of power supply. We will have to install a diesel generator. Descend to refuel twice a week. At these altitudes there is still little sun. We will have to connect to the ground with a cable-cable, but where can I buy such a cable-cable, 12 km long. Light, durable, so that it can hold 1 kV and have fiber optics. It is more profitable to immediately make a stratospheric airship for altitudes of 25+ km. There is sun there. All these proposals are good, but the Russian authorities do not need this.
      1. +1
        21 November 2024 20: 04
        Three cables - one is ground, the other is phase, and the third is a lightning rod.
        1. 0
          21 November 2024 21: 28
          Have you ever held a cable-rope in your hands? Cable-rope can be different, for different power loads and the number of cores there from one to 12, and one core is high-frequency, like RK, there are single-core for high frequency, there are cores with optical fiber and cores for power supply at 1000 volts, there are up to 15 km long, all this in a steel sheath. There is a lightweight cable-rope, completely made of plastic, floats on water, there are 2 copper wires and two optical fibers. Alas, all this was imported. I don’t know what is available now.
          1. 0
            22 November 2024 00: 04
            We have compact nuclear power plants for the balloon.
            1. 0
              22 November 2024 22: 03
              I don't know what it is. I doubt anyone would get permission to install a nuclear power plant on an aircraft in the atmosphere.
  9. 0
    21 November 2024 11: 30
    Russia is not capable and will not wage a conventional war with the NATO bloc.
    It is precisely for this kind of war that an AWACS aircraft is needed.
    So does Russia need such an aircraft, taking into account all the problems of its creation?!
    1. +1
      21 November 2024 12: 15
      An AWACS aircraft is needed. In addition to NATO, there are former Soviet republics that border the Russian Federation and bring a lot of nastiness to the Russian Federation. In the East, there is Korea, Japan, China, and there are also countries in the South. The question here is whether the Russian authorities need it.
      1. 0
        22 November 2024 09: 36
        Of course, it would be good if there was such a plane.
        But if you are unable to create such an aircraft for many decades, then why bother with the question of its necessity?
        The war with the largest former Soviet republic showed that it is quite possible to do without an AWACS aircraft.
        But a war with the NATO bloc will escalate into a nuclear war on the very first day.
        And what will the presence of an AWACS aircraft give in this case?
        I see this problem in this context.
        1. 0
          22 November 2024 21: 57
          Here earlier I wrote about the stratospheric airship AWACS, which hangs for months at an altitude of 25-35 km. In the mid-1950s, there was a project for a high-altitude repeater, but at that time, technology did not allow making a stratospheric airship repeater. Now all this can be done. Telephone communication, the Internet, etc., this is an addition to artificial Earth satellites. Japan raised a balloon to a height of 53,7 km, without modern technology you will not get such results. From such a height, you will have a spot with a diameter of 1500 km of direct optical visibility. An airplane will not compete. Considering the worst option and not doing it is not serious
  10. 0
    24 November 2024 19: 10
    Yak-44 either was or wasn't. There are probably no engines for it. But there was such a plane - it was called Yak-40. And what was there, it still flies. It has 3 × AI-25 turbofan engines with a thrust of: 3 × 1120 kgf (nominal), Takeoff run with these weak engines is 850 meters, landing range is 550 meters. Install two modern engines with the appropriate power - and here you have a super-duper missile. It can even be used from an aircraft carrier (if you take off from the aft edge of the flight deck). Hook and folding wings, and little things, like protection from salt water.