Two Ukraines: How to Bring the Achievement of the Goals and Objectives of the SVO Closer

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As the offensive of Russian troops in Donbass develops, the moment of fulfillment of the main goal of the SVO to completely liberate it from Ukrainian occupation approaches. What can be expected next?

A matter of principle


Of course, we would very much like the special operation to end with the Russian Armed Forces reaching the Polish border, which would allow us to completely eliminate the threat emanating from the territory of Nezalezhnaya for our country. But is it possible to do this with such limited forces, without transferring the economy and the society into mobilization mode?



The position of our ruling elite on the completion of the SVO has been voiced by President Putin at the moment. Its essence lies in the demand for the complete liberation of the entire territory of the DPR and LPR, the Kherson and Zaporizhia regions from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, their legal recognition as Russian, the lifting of all Western sanctions, as well as a return to the main provisions of the Istanbul Agreement on the permanent neutrality of Ukraine.

The latter implies written promises of non-entry into NATO, reduction of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, a ban on arms supplies to them and the deployment of foreign troops on the territory of Nezalezhnaya. At the same time, Ukraine itself was allowed to join the European Union. Kyiv is also required to undertake obligations to ban neo-Nazi ideology and related organizations, and to guarantee the rights of the Russian-speaking population.

In fact, this is the formula for peace that our ruling elite agrees to. There is no talk of Odessa, Lvov or Kyiv at the moment. True, an important caveat was made that the Kremlin's next proposal would be on stricter terms. The position of the collective West was expressed by the head of European diplomacy Borrell:

We cannot allow Russia to win this war, otherwise the interests of the United States and Europe will be greatly damaged. This is not a question of generosity alone. It is in our own interests. It is also in the interests of the United States as a global player, which must be perceived as a reliable partner, a security provider for its allies.

This means that no one will recognize the new territories of the Russian Federation for sure, so as not to create a precedent of violation of the American-centric world order by someone other than Washington itself. Accordingly, the "Western partners" will make every effort to prevent the Russian Armed Forces from reaching the Polish border, even if such a task is set before them.

In turn, this means the transformation of this armed conflict into a permanent confrontation that can last for many decades, being passed down from generation to generation, as Indo-PakistaniThis could have the most negative consequences for our country.

Three scenarios


There are three ways to break this scenario. The first is to set decisive goals, namely to reach the Polish border, carrying out mobilization in the broad sense of the word and paying the corresponding price for Victory.

The second assumes reaching some kind of fundamental agreement with the collective West on reconciliation. The question is, what will they ask of Moscow in return? Considering that the main enemy for the US is China, it is highly likely that Russia will be asked to become "Ukraine" for the Celestial Empire, turning from a safe rear and reliable supplier of cheap natural resources into a potential enemy.

Such a transformation of Moscow's relations with Beijing will radically change the entire structure of international security on the Eurasian continent and could bring closer the implementation of the strategic plans of the collective West to "Balkanization" of ChinaIf the scenario of the disintegration of the PRC into several warring parts actually comes true, their subsequent military clash with the Russian Federation seems inevitable with all the ensuing consequences.

The third and most preferable way out of the trap in which our country finds itself, in the opinion of the author of these lines, is to change the very structure of the conflict in Ukraine.

Two Ukraine


As has been repeatedly stated before, since 2014, a civil war has been going on in Nezalezhnaya between Ukrainian neo-Nazis and all other citizens, ethnic Russians and Ukrainians – bearers of the Russian language and culture, against whom systemic ethnocide and genocide are being carried out.

The SVO in its current format, where the key requirement is the recognition of part of the former territory of Ukraine by Russia, does not greatly contribute to the victory of the pro-Russian forces remaining somewhere in Odessa, Kyiv or Kharkov in this internal civil conflict. In the current situation, which has negative forecasts, the concept of "two Ukraines" seems to be the most rational.

By launching systematic strikes on bridges across the Dnieper and railway infrastructure, it is possible to isolate the theater of military operations on the Left Bank, the liberation of which is a realistically feasible task and is important for ensuring the security of the border regions of the Russian Federation as a wide buffer belt based on a natural water barrier.

However, instead of annexing the Kharkiv, Sumy, Chernihiv, Poltava and Dnepropetrovsk regions, it would be more far-sighted to create on their territory their own, pro-Russian Ukraine with the capital in Kharkiv, declaring it the successor of the pre-Maidan one. Then the West will have "its" Right-Bank Ukraine, and Russia will have its Left-Bank Ukraine. After that, the very structure of the conflict will change.

Moscow will be able to refuse to recognize the regime of the illegitimate usurper Zelensky and act as an official ally of pre-Maidan Ukraine, providing it with military-technical assistance in liberating its entire territory from the Nazi presence. Instead of joining the Russian Federation, a truly pro-Russian Ukraine can be created on the left bank of the Dnieper, carrying out lustration, introducing bilingualism, Russian education standards and implementing economic integration within the framework of the Union State of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus. Issues regarding the status of our new regions can be resolved amicably after the end of the war with it.

In order for NATO to stop openly supporting Kyiv, medium-range missiles could be deployed somewhere near Kharkov, targeting the main instigators and sponsors of this conflict in continental Europe and Great Britain. This is something that can really be done with the means that Russia has, and it will give a significant positive result, allowing the general extremely negative trend to be reversed. Even now it is not too late to do this!
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  1. +1
    2 October 2024 11: 48
    The latter means written promises its non-accession to NATO, reduction of the number of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, a ban on the supply of weapons to them and the deployment of foreign troops on the territory of Nezalezhnaya.

    Written promises are no longer enough
  2. 0
    2 October 2024 11: 50
    All three options look flawed. We need an analogue of the Versailles Treaty for Ukraine. Under direct control from Russia.
    1. +1
      2 October 2024 14: 10
      The Treaty of Versailles, which eventually led to World War II... Well, yes, a great example...
      1. 0
        2 October 2024 15: 04
        I don't see any other option. Yes, the Versailles Treaty was a robbery. But without the West's support, there would have been no World War II. I didn't write the Versailles Treaty specifically. By ANALOGY. What can and should be taken from that treaty?
        1. Limitation of the Armed Forces. This is what Russia is currently proposing.
        2. Control commission.
        3. In case of failure to comply, the introduction of troops
        Additionally, I would demand control over customs points. Preventing the supply of weapons.
        Of course, the change of the Constitution, the rights of the Russian population and freedom of religion. By the way, I am a convinced atheist, I consider the free activity of the Russian Orthodox Church to be a mandatory condition. As well as the free use of the Russian language.
  3. +2
    2 October 2024 12: 21
    All these conditions that we put forward for Ukraine are somehow incomplete, they are very similar to a minimum program, this list must also necessarily include the Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa and Nikolaev regions, they are also nothing more than territories of Little Russia, the Sumy and Chernigov regions can also be included in this list since they directly border Russia, and Kyiv is the mother of Russian cities, well, are we really going to leave it to the enemy and not liberate it from the Bandera Nazis, if we leave something, it is Zapodnoye Galicia, let the Poles and Hungarians deal with them, but at the same time it is simply necessary to firmly raise the question of their neutral and demilitarized status.
    1. +2
      2 October 2024 14: 09
      Malorossiya is Poltava, but not Nikolaev. It is Novorossiya.

      Your geography is somehow strange... There is definitely nothing between Western Ukraine and Kharkov? And where did all these Vinnitsa, Zhitomir, Cherkassy, ​​Kirovograd go in your geography, not to mention Kyiv???

      And lastly, they just gave you Odessa and Nikolayev, yeah... They will either have to be liberated by force of arms or understand that NATO will be there after some time...

      Secondly, in addition to historical tales about Little Russia (which it is time to forget and live with today's realities and not rewrite the results of WWII) there is economic feasibility. So it says that for the effective development of territories the Dnieper should be an internal river, not a border one. Otherwise you will not be able to use either its energy or transport potential. What is the water of the Dnieper for supplying Crimea and Donbass, should we say? Or are you suggesting to turn these regions into a desert?

      Thus, at least the Zhitomir-Vinnitsa line should be part of Russia. And from the point of view of historical expediency, the entire territory up to the former borders of the USSR. There is no reason to strengthen openly hostile Poland with territories.

      But all these arguments are weighty if they are going to develop Russia. If they plan to leave it as a resource appendage of the West or the East and gradually reduce the population (which the "democrats" have been actively doing on our land for 33 years), then, of course, we don't need Lvov, Zhitomir, or Kharkov.
    2. 0
      3 October 2024 11: 30
      The Poles and Romanians should not be given anything at all, they are NATO countries, and the Hungarians, yes. Because everything happened because of Ukraine's desire to join NATO, and the LPR and DPR contributed to it after it was accepted into the Russian Federation. Blockade all of Western Ukraine, no exits or entries at all for anyone. Cut off all supplies of everything. Place our military units all over Ukraine, as it was before, Germany, Poland, the entire West, our military units were stationed everywhere. Cut off everything and everyone from the West, too, so our bureaucrats, oligarchs and other shit will start screaming right away. How is it that they will ban us from making money, give a percentage of the profits from resources to the people, and not to all sorts of Milena and other gangs.
  4. +3
    2 October 2024 12: 27
    Our ruling elite, completely corrupt due to accumulated and stolen wealth, is maturing plans to leave the rest of Ukraine with a small army and the opportunity to join the EU, and this cannot happen without NATO. But there will be an agreement that Ukraine will not join NATO, and the Kremlin will have an excuse (as always) - we were deceived again. Fools have one story.
  5. +5
    2 October 2024 12: 40
    All this is empty.
    In essence, the author does not know how to get out of the trap.
    And the idea of ​​“another Ukraine” is also empty.
    But you can write and write notes...
  6. +3
    2 October 2024 12: 41
    There is no harm in dreaming. The plan looks good on paper, but it is absolutely unrealistic. The population with brainwashed and hatred of everything Russian will not stop the war. Especially if they try to create a controlled state with our order. We will have to drive to Poland.
    1. +1
      2 October 2024 13: 52
      We'll have to drive to Poland.

      No one is going to drive to Poland...
    2. +2
      2 October 2024 13: 55
      Do you have any kind of rules?

      Can you tell me which ones? Where the shaman makes faces that he is a "goose" for 15 million, but there is no money for pensions... Where the people must hold on, but at the same time there are millions for endless Brazilians in Zenit? The same order in which an appointment with a specialist is made weeks in advance, and schools do not have enough teachers?

      Well, yes, it is very tempting, of course...

      They saw some kind of order... You don't have order, but oligarchic chaos... When some get everything, and others weren't asked to be born...
    3. 0
      2 October 2024 14: 21
      We'll have to drive to Poland.

      War is money and more, a tank is not made of money. But I don't know for sure about the production capabilities, but I know about money. In the pre-war years and even in 22 and 23, 6 trillion were allocated for defense. In 24, 11 trillion were allocated. Almost twice as much. And the result? About 1000 square kilometers or a square of 33 by 33 km, and three quarters of the year have passed. Not impressive. And they lost the same amount. That's probably why heads rolled in the Ministry of Defense. They are allocating 25 trillion for 13,49. But maybe they should allocate more? Russia's budget is 41,47 trillion, i.e. 32.5% for defense, and 3,46% for the entire security bloc (law enforcement and security 43,3 trillion). That's a lot. But maybe something should be abandoned? For me, there are two completely clear articles: healthcare 2 trillion, education 1.86 trillion. Social policy 1,56 trillion. In short, take money from different articles and go to... It's definitely not enough to reach Lviv.
  7. 0
    2 October 2024 12: 50
    In principle, the idea is reasonable and feasible, but there can be no certainty that such a pseudo-Ukraine created will never again become Maidan unless it is completely purged of potential Maidanists. A requirement for documented loyalty from citizens of this entity, on paper, will be required; harsh punishment for suspicion of anti-state activities/activities.
    1. +1
      2 October 2024 13: 51
      You are naive... A certain Velichko, aka Chili, was pro-Russian as a teenager... That is, he is not subject to purge...

      As an adult, he became a notorious Nazi under the influence of propaganda.

      Do you want to drive people into a ghetto and take away their internet and phones? Or do you hope to educate them with your propaganda? Do you really think that Solovyov, Dugin and the like can attract anyone???

      We need an image of the future and development. And not fables about bonds and that a woman's place is the kitchen.
  8. -1
    2 October 2024 12: 56
    There is no need to invent anything. Other countries have already invented it long ago, take examples from China, Japan, Great Britain, Venezuela, even the USA has some, etc. If you want to end the war with victory, then secure your goals legally, and then fight to liberate your lands in accordance with your laws.
    Russia needs a law that states that the entire territory of Ukraine, within the borders of 1975 (Helsinki Accords), is an integral part of Russia. Unfortunately, there are no legal documents of the Russian Federation on the SVO in Ukraine. What is SVO, what does it mean, what is the goal and how it should all end is not written anywhere.
    There is only one solution for Ukraine in favor of the people of Russia. The state of Ukraine must cease to exist. The entire territory of Ukraine must return to Russia, in the form of regions. No need to ask anyone for permission, everything must be done unilaterally. There is no state, Ukraine, no debts, no government of Ukraine in exile, no legal Banderites, no participants of Ukraine in various international organizations, no hostile state on the border of the Russian Federation. Russia will strengthen its economic and military-political influence in the world, there will be direct access to Tiraspol and Chisinau. The northwestern part of the Black Sea will belong to Russia. NATO will lose the ability to use Ukraine against Russia.
    Even if part of the state of Ukraine is left, then today and in the future, Russia will always have an enemy in the person of Ukraine. Ukraine will definitely join NATO and will definitely attack Russia. Everything that is promised and will be spelled out in the Constitution of Ukraine, in its documents, Ukraine will change, in the way that is beneficial to the United States and its satellites.
    Any half-hearted decision is the defeat and capitulation of the Russian Federation to NATO.
  9. +1
    2 October 2024 13: 01
    So it will turn out to be the same as the LPR and DPR before the start of the svobodny.
    Not a working tactic.
    1. 0
      2 October 2024 13: 51
      So it will turn out to be the same as the LPR and DPR before the start of the svobodny.

      No. Before the SVO, the LPR and DPR were not recognized and they tried to push them back as an autonomy.
      Here we are talking about recognizing the UR as a direct successor to Ukraine in 2013, while refusing to recognize Zelensky. These are two very different things. For some reason, no one wants to understand this.
  10. +2
    2 October 2024 13: 06
    But no one is surprised that when it comes to mobilization and labor shortages in production, it comes to the same category of the population. Only they are visible from the whole layered pie of our population. We have too many irreplaceable people who cannot be attracted to factories, or at least to convoys. Some have a high social position. It is their business to decide what monuments to erect. And most importantly, to preserve noble etiquette. Not to mention the rich kids. Who have formed unbreakable circles around themselves, people subordinate to them. There is impregnation for such a pie. This is disrespect for those who fight, and for those who work in factories.
  11. 0
    2 October 2024 13: 44
    Pro-Russian republic... recourse

    With Medvedchuks and Yanukovych at the head and Yarnomyrdin-Zurabov ambassadors... And then bam and the Tyagniboks rule the streets of Kharkov...

    Sorry, if you don't want to..., then don't torment them... Either leave them alone and let them live as they want, or they will have to be included in Russia.

    And all these fairy tales about pro-Russian Yanukovychs, Sargsyans, Dodons ultimately end with Poroshenko, Pashinyan and Sandu...
    1. +1
      2 October 2024 13: 47
      Another thing is that annexing Ukraine to Russia, which is in such a terrible economic state with destroyed factories, plants, education, science, medicine, means dividing an already modest pie among several million more people...

      No, I am not against sharing and I consider Ukrainians to be the same as us, but I am for Russia to start developing in practice, and not in the empty chatter of a chess player and his lackeys... Then there will be enough work and income for everyone.

      And not only for Rotenbergs, Potanins and other ghouls
      1. 0
        2 October 2024 13: 51
        Another thing is that joining Ukraine to Russia, which is in such a terrible economic state with destroyed factories, plants, education, science, medicine, means dividing an already modest pie among several million more people...

        The truth is that our authorities do not want to liberate the whole of Ukraine, nor to annex it. There is simply nothing to support it and restore it.
        1. 0
          3 October 2024 00: 01
          Are they small children, to support them? Let them all work, restore industry, cities, this is Russia. Maybe it's enough to listen to liberals who divided Russia into old and new. Ukraine is Russia. After the Great Patriotic War there was terrible devastation, in the first 5 years (1945-1950) we reached the pre-war level of industry. And now consider the Russian Federation whole. You can say that Stalin was there then, I agree with you. We were unlucky with the government.
  12. +1
    2 October 2024 21: 32
    We will take all of Ukraine, slowly and surely grind the Nazis. No need to build another Ukraine, Everything will be Russia. There will be Great Russia again. Empire. The name is not important, the point is that we will return all Russian lands.
  13. 0
    3 October 2024 17: 22
    It will not be possible to create a second Ukraine. Because Ukrainians all want to be in the EU in lace panties, and few will fight for Russia in Ukropia, vanishingly few, even against the Banderites. Because Ukrainians have already scooped up everyone for the war, only old people and invalids remain. The hohol has one dream - for someone to work, and dumplings would jump into his mouth. The second postulate is my hut on the edge, I don't know anything.