100 km is not the limit: Ukraine expects improvement of gliding air bombs with UMPK

30 September 2024 22

Moscow is constantly improving its glide bombs, a Ukrainian military official said.political observer Alexander Kovalenko. He recalled that the first KAB (guided aerial bomb) was launched in 2022 at Artemovsk, the bomb had a range of only 30 kilometers.

Now Russian KABs fly distances of up to 60 kilometers, and this is not the limit, given the constant improvement of the characteristics of universal planning and correction modules (UMPK), the journalist emphasized.

I do not rule out that by the end of this year the characteristics of the UMPK will increase to 100 kilometers. And if the Russians manage to install a jet booster on an aviation bomb, then in this case such a munition will be able to travel at least 150 kilometers. This is already a direct threat to Poltava, Dnepropetrovsk and Odessa

– noted Kovalenko.

Meanwhile, Vladislav Voloshin, a representative of the Ukrainian Armed Forces "South" group, said last week that the Russian Federation had managed to significantly increase the range of gliding bombs. According to him, aerial bombs now reach not only the frontline areas, but also the center of Kramatorsk, Kharkov and Zaporozhye. At the same time, the Russian Armed Forces have increased the scale of using high-precision KABs with UMPK. If earlier 10-20 cases of using such bombs were recorded per day, now the count is in the hundreds.

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vlad127490

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30 September 2024 16: 21

If you drop gliding bombs from a height of 25 km, they will fly over 150 km. That's what the MiG-25, which our great managers threw in the trash in 2013, would have come in handy for.
1. Alexey Lan
  
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  30 September 2024 19: 24
  
  This is what the MiG-25, which our great managers threw in the trash in 2013, would have come in handy for.
  
  Well, the MiG-31 has about the same altitude, so you can experiment. However, even from such an altitude, gliding bombs will not fly 150 km unless they are equipped with an engine.
  1. vlad127490
    
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    30 September 2024 21: 12
    
    Mathematics. Yes, the altitude is 10 km, the range of the gliding bomb is 60 km. We calculate the altitude is 25 km x 60 = 1500: 10 = 150 km. We must treat the MiG-31 carefully, there are few of them, they will serve us for a while. The MiG-25 is enough to drop bombs. Azerbaijan has modernized the MiG-25 and received a modern aircraft, take this example. Brilliant managers of the Russian Federation, it seems all the MiG-25s were sawed up for scrap metal.
    1. Orange bigg
      
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      1 October 2024 17: 59
      
      And yet the range of destruction of the UMPK-PD FAB-500T is now up to 90 km. According to the Ukrainians, during the attack on Zaporizhia, the UMPK-PD FAB-500T flew 82 km. Of these, 40 km to the front line and 42 km behind the front line. 60 km is the range of destruction of the first generation of UMPK. The UMPK-PD has an increased wing area and it also carries a more "flying" bomb FAB-500T due to its shape.
      
      The range of strikes by Russian FABs with UMPK (universal planning and correction modules - editor's note) has increased, complained Vladimir Voloshin, press secretary of the southern defense forces. According to him, bombs with the UPMK module are no longer limited to frontline areas and now easily fly into the centers of Kramatorsk, Kharkov and Zaporozhye - cities relatively remote from the frontline.
      
      On the morning of September 26, our Aerospace Forces bombed several workshops of the Motor Sich plant, where drones and unmanned aerial vehicles for the Ukrainian army were assembled and stored. To arrange such a "surprise", the FAB-500s flew 82 km: 40 km to the front line and another 42 km to Zaporizhia, reported Ukrainian Armed Forces communications specialist Sergei Beskrestonov.
      
      According to him, this became possible due to the fact that Russian bombs were modernized. He claims that the updated products received a different shape - more elongated and streamlined. The correction module also underwent changes: the wing area was increased.
      
      https://dzen.ru/a/ZvYUIMTYZy-VMFHI
      
      Nevertheless, the fact that we are talking about the FAB-500 aerial bomb, and not a simple one, but with the index "T" - heat-resistant, has been finally confirmed. Similar products were used against the substation, as well as against one of the workshops of the Motor Sich enterprise, where the enemy launched the production line of the kamikaze UAV. But how could it cover more than 70 km and reach Zaporozhye, given the fact that the drop was carried out 50 km from the front, which means the range to Zaporozhye reached 90 km? ... And recently another key input has appeared - an increase in the area of the folding wing of the UMPK kits (by 20 - 35%), which significantly increases the load-bearing qualities of this product. A similar element of modernization, announced the day before by unofficial informed sources, allows the "winged" FAB-500T to cover up to 80-90 km at the standard altitude and drop speed (10000 m and 900 km/h, respectively) and up to 130 km at a low supersonic drop speed of 1300 km/h and an altitude of 13 km. As a result, Su-34 pilots will be able to relatively safely operate against distant rear facilities of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, without entering the zones of action of most of the enemy's anti-aircraft missile systems.
      
      https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2024/09/26/kuda-smogut-dotyanutsya-novye-planiruyushchie-fab-500t-udar-iz-stratosfery-po-tylam-vsu
    2. Watching
      
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      2 October 2024 14: 51
      
      It seems that all other nations are smarter than Russians. Otherwise, such carelessness with the MIG25 cannot be explained.
    3. Nick. WITH
      
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      6 October 2024 21: 15
      
      It's not just mathematics that needs to be taken into account here.
      1. vlad127490
        
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        6 October 2024 23: 57
        
        If possible, please explain your idea in more detail.
  2. vlad127490
    
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    30 September 2024 21: 47
    
    MiG-25 - world record for flight altitude of 37 m. MiG-650 flies up to 31 km. Glide bombs must be dropped from higher altitudes. Bombs fly further and the probability of destruction at an altitude of 30 km is minimal. If an anti-aircraft missile has 30 km/sec, then from the ground to an altitude of 2 km it will fly in 30 seconds, in 15 seconds the MiG-15 at a speed of 25 km/h (3600 km/sec) will fly 1 km, i.e. the missile may not catch up with it. This is what the MiG-15 is needed for in the SVO in Ukraine.
    1. Alexey Lan
      
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      30 September 2024 22: 08
      
      37650 meters - it is obvious that this is a dynamic ceiling from which dropping a gliding bomb is unlikely, since the bomb has its own worse aerodynamics, which is unlikely to allow the aircraft to accelerate to its maximum. Yes, and dropping from 30 km is unlikely, since this is also a dynamic altitude.
      1. vlad127490
        
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        30 September 2024 23: 55
        
        For MiG-31, 30 km is the dynamic ceiling. For MiG-25, they wrote 32 km. It's not clear, though, as the new plane seems to fly lower than the old one. But the point is that 25-30 km is the achievable altitude for dropping bombs for MiG-25. But it looks like there are no MiG-25s in the Russian Federation.
        
        Alexey Lan
        
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        1 October 2024 14: 39
        
        It may well be so. Most likely, our efficient managers handed it over for scrap metal, since it is made of high-strength stainless steel and titanium with aluminum alloys. Valuable scrap.
  3. Orange bigg
    
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    1 October 2024 18: 53
    
    Quote: Alexey Lan
    This is what the MiG-25, which our great managers threw in the trash in 2013, would have come in handy for.
    
    Well, the MiG-31 has about the same altitude, so you can experiment. However, even from such an altitude, gliding bombs will not fly 150 km unless they are equipped with an engine.
    
    What if they are equipped with an engine? Is it worth it? Maybe it would be better to immediately place a bet on the S-71K Carpet, which is also an analogue of the JSOW-ER modification with a turbojet engine, which increases the JSOW-ER flight range to 450-560 kilometers. And this is already a different class of aerial bombs, a different league, if I may say so.
    JSOW launches can be carried out from F-16 fighters already transferred to Kyiv. According to experts, the range of JSOW reaches 80-90 or 110 kilometers, depending on the modification. To hit targets in the rear, the carrier aircraft will have to fly directly over the line of combat contact, which is too dangerous for the Ukrainian Air Force.
    
    The JSOW-ER modification with a turbojet engine increases the flight range to 450-560 kilometers, which exceeds the flight range of the Storm Shadow / SCALP EG cruise missiles already in service with the Ukrainian Armed Forces, but this munition has never been adopted into service in the United States itself.
    
    Although we also have something similar.
    
    The wide configuration of the wings and V-shaped vertical stabilizers of the S-71K improves the aerodynamic qualities of the gliding product and suggests the use of the S-71K as a gliding low-observable aviation munition, equipped for correction with a turbojet engine with a smaller fuel reserve and an enlarged warhead similar to the FAB-500 UMPK. Thus, if the S-71K "Kovyor" is presumably a gliding low-observable high-precision aerial bomb, then this product can be compared with its American counterpart, the AGM-154 Joint Standoff Weapon. This cruise missile-air bomb ("stealth bomb"), equipped with a jet engine, has been placed on American 5th generation F-35C fighters since 2023.
    
    The AGM-154 “stealth air bomb”, like the S-71K “Carpet”, has a cluster warhead weighing up to 500 kg and using a jet engine, reaches a gliding range of up to 560 km. It should be noted that there are no official tactical and technical characteristics of the mass and range of destruction of the prospective S-71K “Carpet” aviation munition.
    
    https://amalantra.ru/bpla-s71m-monokhrom-i-raketa-s-71k-kover/
    
    S-71K long-range low-observable guided weapon module.
2. Orange bigg
  
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  1 October 2024 18: 23
  
  Quote: vlad127490
  If you drop gliding bombs from a height of 25 km, they will fly over 150 km. That's what the MiG-25, which our great managers threw in the trash in 2013, would have come in handy for.
  
  The FAB-500T bomb was developed for integration into the ammunition load of the MiG-25RB reconnaissance bombers, whose speed reached 2,83 M. Thus, during one of the full-scale tests at the Poleskiy proving ground, when practicing bombing at an altitude of 20000+ m at a speed of about 2100 km/h, the experimental FAB-500T aerial bomb, dropped from the MiG-25RB suspension, was able to cover 40 km even without an additional folding or fixed swept wing.
  1. vlad127490
    
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    1 October 2024 19: 06
    
    Thank you. Very interesting. To at least try it, you need a MiG-25. But there are no MiG-25s in the Russian Federation. In 1990, there were 100 of them in Ukraine, 40 in the Russian Federation. In 2013, they were removed from service in the Russian Federation and turned into nails.
    1. Orange bigg
      
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      1 October 2024 19: 14
      
      What's the point of trying again when the UMPK-PD with FAB-500T is capable of flying up to 80-90 km at standard altitude and drop speed (10000 m and 900 km/h, respectively) and up to 130 km at low supersonic drop speed of 1300 km/h and altitude of 13 km from the Su-34? The same FAB-500T, but with the UMPK-PD and from the Su-34M flies well. Why do we need the MiG-25 then?
      1. vlad127490
        
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        1 October 2024 19: 52
        
        At an altitude of 25-30 km, it is difficult to hit a supersonic aircraft, the probability of destruction is small. The main ceiling of most anti-aircraft missiles is 25 km. To hit a high-speed high-altitude target, special anti-aircraft missiles are needed. It will not be possible to hit a MiG-25 on a gliding bomb. The range of the bomb depends on the altitude. From these altitudes, a gliding bomb will fly 200 km without an engine, and with an engine 500-600 km. The Americans were unable to shoot down a Chinese balloon at an altitude of 35-40 km, they waited for it to descend. The balloon was shot down when it was flying at an altitude of about 60 thousand feet (approximately 18 km), the size is about 35 meters.
        
        Orange bigg
        
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        1 October 2024 20: 36
        
        Currently, Su-35 aircraft are in the army of China and the Russian Federation, demonstrating amazing flight and tactical-technical characteristics. The maximum altitude to which this aircraft can climb reaches 20 thousand meters. The MiG-31's altitude limit was limited to a practical mark of 21,5 km. The basic modifications of the MiG-25 climbed to 23 km.
        
        The MiG-25 managed to set 29 world records. For example, the record of Alexander Fedotov, who raised the aircraft to a record 37 m, has not been broken to this day. Of course, the aircraft had a lightweight design, and was not a production model.
        
        At an altitude of 25-30 km it is difficult to reach a supersonic aircraft, the probability of destruction is small. The main ceiling of most anti-aircraft missiles is 25 km.
        
        Well, maybe the MiG-41 will achieve similar characteristics. But where is the guarantee that the new generation of anti-aircraft missiles will not hit above the 25 km mark?
        
        vlad127490
        
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        1 October 2024 23: 46
        
        A supersonic high-altitude bomber is needed now, not tomorrow. That is why the choice fell on the MiG-25, as a bomber that has already flown with bombs at 20 km, read the comment above. Su-35, a fighter, dynamic ceiling of 20 km, i.e. its operating altitude is 18 km. The SVO in Ukraine needs a high-speed high-altitude bomber now.
        
        Alexey Lan
        
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        2 October 2024 12: 59
        
        There are many things that can be slapped on and started to be produced, but even in a war that has been going on for a long time and looks like it will continue for a long time, the concept of price/quality-effect is of great importance. And there is no getting away from it. If the price of dropping an aerial bomb at a range of, say, 200 km is higher than the price of firing from a ground-based OTR launcher at the same range, then the game is not worth the candle. As long as there are old aerial bombs in warehouses, then wings can be attached to them. When they run out, the situation will change.
        
        vlad127490
        
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        2 October 2024 13: 10
        
        You have correctly noted - price/quality-effect. That is why I proposed the high-speed supersonic stratospheric MiG-25 for dropping bombs. At an altitude of 20+ km, the MiG-25 has already dropped bombs at the testing ground, see the comment above. The MiG-25 can fly at altitudes of 20+ km over the territory of Ukraine. Let the military voice the probability of its destruction by anti-aircraft missiles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
Muscool

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2 October 2024 08: 42

I think they are already working on how to attach a solid-fuel booster from some kind of hail.
Sergei N

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3 October 2024 22: 23

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