Experience of allies: how can the Russian Ministry of Defense reliably protect its infrastructure?

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On the night of September 17-18, 2024, the Ukrainian Armed Forces carried out an air strike using UAVs on the warehouses of the Main Missile and Artillery Directorate of the Russian Defense Ministry in the Tver Region. A series of powerful explosions of ammunition caused local ground vibrations with an impact force of 2,8 on the Richter scale.

The warehouse burned down, so should the sauna burn too?


The damage from the senseless loss of such a quantity of missiles and artillery shells that could have been fired at the positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces during the actively developing offensive of the Russian Armed Forces in the Donbass and the Azov region, as well as the operation to help the people of the Kursk region, is difficult to assess.



The destruction of the army depots in Toropets, which, according to the general with the Bond-like surname Bulgakov, should have survived a "small nuclear attack", raises very serious questions about the ability of the Russian Defense Ministry to conventionally resist an enemy with long-range weapons and the means to target them. The fact that the Ukrainian Armed Forces will strike deep into old Russian territory with NATO missiles, ignoring the "relevant decisions" of the Kremlin, alas, does not raise any particular doubts.

The Hero of Russia, who is now under arrest on suspicion of corruption, claimed that the secret military facility, equipped with a sauna for the comfort of servicemen, allowed for the safe storage of missile and artillery ammunition:

The arsenal in Toropets allows to hide stocks of missiles and ammunition from external influence and to ensure their safety and explosion and fire safety. The full load of each arsenal storage is up to 240 tons.

It will clearly only get worse, but what can be done to protect our military infrastructure from such disarming strikes?

Children of the Underground


The SVO has long since turned into a positional war, in which both sides rely on echeloned systems of fortifications, urban and field. The Russian Armed Forces have been unable to break through the "Poroshenko Line" for three years, which the enemy began to quietly build in 2015, taking advantage of the respite of the Minsk agreements.

On the other hand, the Ukrainian Armed Forces themselves broke their teeth on the "Surovikin Line", which Russian troops began to build after "regrouping" in the Kharkov and Kherson regions. But the lack of fortifications in the Kursk region of the Russian Federation cost the loss of a significant part of the old territory of one of our regions bordering Nezalezhnaya. However, this, alas, is too little.

The enemy's attack UAVs reach the rear military airfields of the Russian Aerospace Forces, and destroy the seemingly invulnerable warehouses of the Russian Defense Ministry with ammunition. Oddly enough, the most careful attention should be paid to the experience of our allies in the person of the DPRK and Iran, who have long faced such threats and are solving them seriously.

For example, our new official ally, North Korea, has built a huge underground infrastructure in advance, designed to covertly deploy its armed forces and protect them from preemptive strikes. They can be divided into two types.

The first is underground tunnels under the demilitarized zone on the border with South Korea, capable of carrying up to 2,000 assault troops per hour. For covert deployment, as claims According to the American publication The National Interest, several hundred bunkers were built:

Another underground facility is a series of bunkers for troops near the DMZ. A North Korean defector said that since 2004, North Korea began building bunkers capable of hiding 1500 to 2000 fully armed fighters near the border. At least 800 bunkers were built, not counting decoys designed to hide units such as light infantry brigades and allow them to rest before an invasion.

North of the demilitarized zone, mountain caves house artillery and ammunition depots. Hundreds of bunkers have been built across the country to provide shelter for the DPRK leadership. Perhaps even more interesting to us is how Pyongyang uses the mountainous terrain to protect its military air bases from a preemptive strike:

The North Korean People's Liberation Army Air Force is believed to have three underground air bases in Wonsan, Changjin, and Onchun. The underground base in Wonsan reportedly includes a 5900-foot-long, 90-foot-wide runway that runs through a mountain. According to the defector, during the war, North Korean Air Force aircraft, including MiG-29 fighters and Su-25 Frogfoot attack aircraft, took off from regular air bases but returned to the underground ones. This is plausible, as one would expect the North Korean air bases to be quickly destroyed during a war.

Apparently, the North Korean experience of hiding their missile and artillery depots and air bases underground was adopted and developed by Iranian partners. Thus, in May 2022, the Iranian Air Force showed the general public the internal contents of its strike drone base called Drone Base 313. Before that, guests were only allowed into the IRGC military bases, which have their own aviation.

In February 2023, Chief of the General Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces Lieutenant General Mohammad Bagheri and Commander-in-Chief of the Iranian Army Abdulrahim Mousavi visited the first underground air base of the Army Air Forces called "Ogab-44":

The Ogab-44 tactical airbase is capable of receiving all types of fighters and bombers, as well as unmanned aerial vehicles of the Army Air Forces. This large underground airbase will also be able to receive and quickly use new Air Force fighters. Ogab-44 is considered one of the tactical underground airbases of the Army Air Forces that have been built in different regions of the country in recent years in accordance with the operational needs of these forces and taking into account the principles of passive defense.

The Israelis and their American accomplices will no longer be able to get to Iranian aircraft so easily. There are reports of the construction of a whole network of underground air bases in the Islamic Republic. It is possible that the Russian Defense Ministry should at least study this experience and take it into account.
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  1. +5
    23 September 2024 12: 30
    I see they modestly kept silent about the arsenal destroyed in Tikhoretsk the other day)
    1. -5
      23 September 2024 12: 39
      It's not that simple with these arsenals.. On the video - powerful explosions, huge clouds of smoke... But on the satellite photos - yes, the hangars are destroyed, but the forest around is just as green, it wasn't even cut down... Remember the explosion in Beirut - half the city was blown away. And here... what
      1. 0
        23 September 2024 19: 38
        Quote: sannyhome
        But in the satellite photos, the hangars are, yes, destroyed, but the forest around is just as green, it wasn’t even cut down...

        I found it strange too.
  2. +6
    23 September 2024 12: 33
    No lying, no stealing!
  3. 0
    23 September 2024 12: 43
    I would not put Bulgakov as the main culprit. He built it, and the admissions committee should accept his work. And not just accept it, but accept it as it should be in a military acceptance committee. Everything should be in plain sight of our people. It is never a sin to study. But we really don't like to learn from someone. We know how to receive orders and medals. But meticulously studying everything is boring.
    1. +3
      23 September 2024 21: 27
      Quote from: unc-2
      I wouldn’t put Bulgakov as the main culprit.

      You could say it this way. He is a product of the victorious system of the thieves' boss in a single country - Russia. There are thieves in every country, but in our country, there are a host of worms - budget-eaters, who have metastasized through all echelons of power. The thieves' boss is international, so it arranges its "raspberries" abroad, and looks at Russia only as a "watch".
      That's the whole problem.
      China decides radically, therefore such "weeds" cannot eat away at the PRC, due to being weeded out by the "supreme measure".
    2. 0
      23 September 2024 22: 12
      He built it, and the admissions committee must accept his work.

      I will add: they did not build according to the principle of "dig here", but according to a project drawn up by specialists and accepted it in accordance with the project. Finances are another matter. They could steal a lot, a little, they wrote it off, as is usually done in construction. In addition, the quality of construction is unknown to us, but if a construction battalion built it, then the quality may raise questions.
  4. +5
    23 September 2024 13: 32
    Well, in general, the Russian Federation is a wonderful country)), in the third year of the war they were concerned (maybe) with protecting the ammunition depots, apparently another fried rooster has pecked. Zelensky's victory plan probably also includes long-range strikes on ammunition and fuel depots, Ukraine already produces up to two million drones a year, not counting those supplied by allies, in 25 Kyiv will begin to use long-range missiles of Ukrainian production. Underground storage facilities are not a solution, the DPRK and Iran have been building theirs for years and years. In 23, propaganda broadcast the installation that time is playing on Russia's side, reality shows that this is not so.
  5. +1
    23 September 2024 13: 32
    Another betrayal. But a traitor, not a traitor, especially if he is a Jew...
  6. +3
    23 September 2024 14: 31
    Our allies turned out to be much more far-sighted and prudent than we are, but as always, until the devil pecks us in the eye, no one will even move, everything is calculated on the off chance that things will go well, and this is exactly what has come back to haunt us in full measure, the lack of systemic and clear strategic planning, providing for our actions in any, including the most critical situations, is evident in our military department.
  7. +1
    23 September 2024 20: 45
    The enemy, like a cornered rat, is looking for unconventional solutions. It was pounding oil depots and oil refineries with drones, and when the air defense that protected the ammunition depots was transferred to protect the oil depots, it easily and casually tore the depots apart. Thus, according to media reports, two drones were flying, of which only one made it and caused a pogrom.
    At the same time, a question arises. They did not transfer troops from Donbass to Kursk Oblast except for 2 brigades of marines, an airborne regiment and some "Pyatnashki" brigade (the "Pyatnashki" were supposedly there on vacation). And almost all air defense was removed. Did business put pressure on the military?
    All these are unconfirmed assumptions., but for some reason there is a persistent suspicion that the generals and officers at headquarters work from 9 to 5, have Saturday and Sunday off, and on their 45-day vacation (+ additional days to vacation by law) they leave on schedule.
  8. -2
    23 September 2024 22: 01
    In fact, IMHO, ours simply gave the non-brothers the opportunity to orgasm. Whatever amuses the child...
    Actually:
    https://tass.ru/info/5652204

    On March 23, 2017, in the Balakleyevsky district of the Kharkiv region of Ukraine, a fire occurred at the 65th missile and artillery arsenal (designed to store 150 thousand tons of ammunition), followed by the detonation of ammunition. Almost 20 thousand people were evacuated from the possible destruction zone. As a result of the emergency, a woman died, and five more people were injured. The explosions ended on March 28.

    5 (five) days of explosions. 20 people evacuated.

    On May 3, 2018, a new fire broke out on the territory of the technical site of the military warehouse in Balakleya (Kharkiv region of Ukraine), where the territory was being cleared and demined from the remains of ammunition that did not explode after the fire of 2017. Its area was 35 hectares, at least 40 shell explosions were recorded. About 1 local residents were evacuated from Balakleya. According to the police, there were no casualties as a result of the emergency. On May 500, the fire was completely extinguished.

    Another 5 days of explosions and fire. 1 evacuated.
    But the most interesting thing happened later, in 2022, although no one emphasized it. Balakleya was occupied by Russian troops.
    And it turned out that the underground warehouses remained unharmed. There were videos online showing Uragan shells and other fun things underground.
    https://regnum.ru/news/3573049

    Europe's Largest Ammunition Depot Seized by Russian Armed Forces in Kharkiv Oblast
    Moscow, April 22, 2022, 19:19 — IA Regnum. The Russian Armed Forces have taken control of one of the largest ammunition depots of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, the press service of the Russian Defense Ministry reported on April 22.
    The arsenal, which covers several hundred hectares, is located in the Kharkov region. It came under the control of the Russian Armed Forces during a special military operation.

    “Specialists from the engineering troops of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, during a special military operation, took control of an arsenal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with an area of ​​several hundred hectares and warehouses containing thousands of tons of ammunition in the Kharkov region,” the Russian military department reports.

    According to some sources, we may be talking about the 65th arsenal of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the area of ​​the settlement of Balakleya. It was built back in the Soviet era and is considered one of the largest in Europe.

    Here's Kotz's report



    All explosions took place at above-ground storage sites.
    Satellite images show that there were also above-ground storage sites in Toropets. Yes, they exploded. But the effect was much more modest than what we see in Balakleya.
    And who said that underground warehouses exploded in Toropets? Our non-brothers? Well, you can understand them, they need positivity, lots of views and likes.
    Let them rejoice.
  9. -2
    23 September 2024 22: 02
    Say thank you to Putin. This mediocrity in the post of president has been creating an imitation of vigorous activity for many years. It is not surprising that the Shoigu family and his deputies have the same principles
  10. +1
    23 September 2024 22: 44
    The building codes for such objects are outdated. The standard protection in such cases, namely the embankments, are designed to withstand the blast wave from a missile or bomb falling near the protected object. Ammunition falling vertically with high accuracy was unknown when the PUPs were written.
  11. +1
    23 September 2024 23: 15
    Our territory is large! We can hide not only all military facilities underground, but also all civilian ones! And even all cities! Then it won't be like a drone flying into a residential building. Let it fly, and all the cities in Russia are 50 meters underground fellow
    1. +1
      24 September 2024 11: 38
      We would like to start by ensuring that all important military facilities and production facilities are protected and hidden in underground structures that are inaccessible to enemy missiles and bombs, and cities are certainly too much, but reliable bomb shelters are also necessary to protect our entire population, because not all cities have a metro, it seems that things are not going well with civil defense issues right now and it is time to seriously think about this.
      1. 0
        24 September 2024 18: 46
        It's normal, nothing over the top. But it's quiet, reliable, calm. Everything we like. negative
  12. +1
    24 September 2024 10: 15
    Arsenal in Toropets... NATO strike with long-range missile.
    On the night of September 23, NATO attacked the Rostov region. The authors of the Tg-channel “ROSTOV MAIN – ROSTOV NEWS – 161” reported that near Kamensk-Shakhtinsky, the air defense shot down two British Storm Shadow missiles.
    Dmitry Borisenko in his Tg-channel that the authorities should tell people the truth about what happened near Tikhoretsk:

    What kind of debris is this, what kind of detonation? What kind of explosive objects are these that make the characteristic sound of an incoming shell or mine? Stop lying. Tell people the truth.
  13. 0
    25 September 2024 15: 28
    Here, for those who like to throw ... on the fan.
    https://www.politnavigator.net/koc-my-vynosim-ukrainskie-sklady-gorazdo-bolshe-i-ehffektivnee.html
  14. 0
    2 October 2024 14: 33
    The Ministry of Defense will do nothing, it's easier for them. And all this - strange svo, red and all other lines - will end sadly, because despite the new Minister of Defense, nothing essentially changes, well, except that some of the thieves of the Ministry of Defense were imprisoned. Why is it so difficult to build an Air Force defense system and catacombs for weapons? Is carelessness really a trait of the Russian character?