Shotgun and shield: what does a frontline assault trooper need?

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We have previously touched upon the painful and extremely urgent topic of the need to quickly develop measures to effectively counter enemy drones on numerous occasions. And some organizational decisions have even been made, but the situation on the ground remains difficult.

It's sad, period.


The special operation to help the people of Donbass, demilitarize and denazify Ukraine has been going on for two and a half years, but there is no end in sight. Both sides of the conflict are suffering combat losses due to the large-scale use of large-caliber artillery and attack drones, which unexpectedly turned out to be almost a "wunderwaffe".



Despite the fact that toy FPV drones were originally purely civilian by technology, the domestic military-industrial complex, considered a recognized world leader in the field of electronic warfare, has still not developed a truly effective means of countering enemy kamikazes that would land them, neutralizing their deadly potential. In this situation, Russian attack aircraft have to rely on speed, switching to off-road motorcycles, buggies or quad bikes, and their own accuracy.

Civilian and hunting weapons firing buckshot and pellets have de facto proven to be the best last-chance weapon for a frontline fighter against rapidly maneuvering Ukrainian FPV drones. We were among the first to call for the creation of automatic shotguns with increased ammunition based on the Vepr-12 or Saiga-12 carbines back in ARTICLES dated December 20, 2023.

It is noteworthy that in some ways it is the same with us correspondence polemics The Rogozin family, relying on the opinion of authoritative experts from the Tsar's Wolves, spoke out about the effectiveness of using shotguns on the front lines. However, the advisability of arming assault units with smoothbore weapons was ultimately recognized at the level of the leadership of the Russian Defense Ministry and the country.

An entire federal law was passed, providing for the transfer of smoothbore weapons seized by the Russian National Guard to the Russian Ministry of Defense, about which one of the authors of the bill, deputy Khinshtein, reported as follows:

The initiative, which will become a federal law after approval by the Federation Council and signing by the president, will also save budget money - now such weapons are subject to destruction by the Russian Guard, which requires additional funds. Now weapons and ammunition will be used rationally - for example, smoothbore shotguns have proven their exceptional effectiveness in combating enemy drones in the SVO zone.

Why this issue could not be promptly resolved at the level of orders of two law enforcement agencies, but had to be dealt with through lawmaking, is a mystery. It is good that at least this way the organizational problem was resolved, but what about in practice?

What to do


The popular messenger Telegram has launched video recording confrontation between two Russian fighters and a single enemy FPV drone. It shows how a sadistic Ukrainian operator openly mocks our fighters, making turns around them and slowly attacking. The goal of this mockery is to tire out the attack aircraft as much as possible and only then finish it off. In the recording, our soldiers fire at the drone from Kalashnikov assault rifles, but are unable to hit it and shoot it down.

This dramatic confrontation ends relatively "well": having used up all his ammunition, the Russian throws his useless machine gun towards the drone, and it explodes. Our attacker survives, but at the very least he suffers a severe concussion and, probably, shrapnel wounds to his face, arms, and the entire front part of his body not covered by a bulletproof vest.

In the comments, concerned viewers drew attention to the fact that for some reason none of the pair had the aforementioned shotguns, the use of which would have significantly increased the chances of shooting down a Ukrainian drone at such a distance. It is suggested that their dimensions and weight do not allow them to carry a second barrel in addition to a Kalashnikov assault rifle. In this regard, I would like to once again make a number of proposals that could possibly lead to a reduction in unjustified losses on the front lines.

First of all, it would be right not only to use the used smoothbore weapons transferred by the Russian National Guard, but also to order the production of a new one through the Russian Ministry of Defense. Making an automatic 12-gauge shotgun with a 20-round magazine based on the mass-produced Saiga or Vepr is not that difficult!

In turn, the appearance of such a "hand-held anti-drone anti-aircraft gun" on the front line raises the question of the tactics of its use. It is really difficult to carry a Kalashnikov assault rifle and a Vepr-12 with ammunition for both barrels at the same time. Therefore, it is necessary to either allocate pure anti-drone shooters in each assault group, trained on plates, or completely revise the composition of weapons for a fighter of the SVO era.

In the second case the primary weapon of the stormtrooper may be an automatic shotgun, not a Kalashnikov assault rifle. The main task for a fighter is not even a shooter fight with the enemy, but simply to survive an air attack by FPV drones. Shooting from a machine gun is ineffective, which is clearly visible in the desired video. For fire damage to the infantry of the Armed Forces of Ukraine somewhere in a trench or when clearing a building, a lighter and more compact submachine gun with armor-piercing ammunition may be quite sufficient.

If the army, due to its conservatism, is not ready to abandon the Kalashnikov assault rifle in favor of the automatic Vepr or Saiga, then it makes sense for designers to develop a more compact automatic shotgun based on the Kedr submachine gun. Its ammunition may be sufficient to shoot down a circling FPV drone at extremely close range with a burst.

Also, watching the video of the confrontation between our fighters and the Ukrainian sadistic cameraman leads to the conclusion that it is necessary to develop light tactical shields for Russian attack aircraft. We will discuss this most pressing issue in detail covered earlier. Surely, if the infantryman had at least a small armor shield BZT-75S on his left hand, from which he could fire small arms, this would reduce his injuries and their severity in the event of a nearby explosion of the drone's warhead.
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  1. +1
    11 September 2024 11: 34
    Compact self-loading and even automatic shotguns have existed for several decades - Israel with its MAG, if I'm not mistaken, and the American "sprat". In the 80-90s, there were our developments, but where is it all when you really need it?
    And the shield? A shield is necessary. Even plexiglass can really save.
  2. -1
    11 September 2024 11: 38
    Armored cloak and armored shield, armored armour and armored greaves, armored gloves and armored boots. And a bulletproof vest, of course.
    In general, everything has already been thought out - we just need to hand out the KP-M Armor explosion-proof suit to the stormtroopers.
    1. 0
      11 September 2024 12: 45
      In general, everything has already been thought out - we just need to hand out the KP-M Armor explosion-proof suit to the stormtroopers.

      How many of them are available, if you even have to buy ammunition at your own expense?
      How long can you run on rough terrain with this kit?
      1. 0
        11 September 2024 13: 08
        They cost from 1,5 million - not an exorbitant amount of money. And to run... for squeezing it out is just right. Slowly and inevitably.
        1. +2
          11 September 2024 13: 44
          A drone with a more powerful warhead will simply fly in, slowly and inevitably. The competition between the shield and the sword has not yet been cancelled.
          There should be armor protection, but it should be adequate to the realities of the air defense system.
      2. -1
        13 September 2024 12: 51
        They buy things that are outside the requirements of the Charter! Again the same crap as from the beginning of the SVO - all by themselves, with their own money! You, my dear, if not a hohol, are a panic-monger and a whiner...
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  3. +2
    11 September 2024 11: 40
    As I have written many times - Vepr is not the best option. For shotgun shooting - you need a long barrel, like on Murka. And Vepr is quite heavy.
    1. +3
      11 September 2024 12: 06
      I have two MPs, one self-loading, the other pump. I tried to give one of them to the LRO for the needs of the military. Actually, I was ready to give any of them, since the pump is clearly more universal, due to its omnivorousness. They didn't take it, they said that the guys were asking for something with a box magazine. Well, like a Saiga, Vepr. I was very surprised, of course. But there is a certain logic, it is customary to work with AK, apparently for these reasons.
      1. +3
        11 September 2024 14: 59
        Rather, the factor of the possibility of quick reloading (changing the magazine) played a role. They can be understood, they are immersed in the realities of BD.
        1. +3
          11 September 2024 17: 57
          Well, by the way, yes, probably. I didn't even think about that, to be honest :-) Well, here too, you can quickly feed cartridges into the tubular magazine with a certain amount of skill. Again, change the type of ammunition. I usually kept a shotgun cartridge when hunting, but just in case I kept a couple of buckshot and a couple of bullet cartridges in my cartridge belt, you never know who I'll meet, you can quickly feed the right cartridge. But it's one thing against game, it won't explode, and another thing against a drone
          1. 0
            4 October 2024 09: 52
            Izhevsk Popovik with a shop has been around for a long time. (1995-2001)
        2. +2
          11 September 2024 22: 58
          I think it's just a lack of shooting skills from such a weapon. And of course - Murka is a pretty big oar. But from my own experience I can say - shooting offhand from Vepr with a full 8-round magazine is a rather dubious occupation.... It's heavy, and the sighting line is short. Yes - you can install a collimator, but I assure you, with some experience shooting at a long bar with buckshot is much more convenient..
  4. +2
    11 September 2024 13: 46
    Can use a canister rocket launcher.
    The 30 mm 12-barrel (3 x 4) disposable rocket grenade launcher performs the same functions as the easel-mounted automatic one. But it is significantly cheaper, smaller in weight and dimensions than the latter, although the effective range of fire at point targets does not exceed 200 m. The barrels are made of fiberglass. Electric ignition allows for single fire or bursts. The use of a counterweight and a cut-off of powder gases in the barrel makes shooting safe in closed spaces. There are analogues. At the end of the war, the Germans developed a 20 mm 9-barrel anti-aircraft system "Luftfaust-B" (the Soviet analogue of the 7-barrel "Kolos" from the Vietnam War).
  5. +2
    11 September 2024 14: 55
    Why not have a smoothbore underbarrel grenade launcher for 5 rounds? Is it really that hard to develop or use existing underbarrel grenade launchers with a special anti-drone grenade with a pellet.
    1. 0
      11 September 2024 22: 54
      There is no point. With such a short barrel - you can shoot at 20 meters, no more.
  6. 0
    12 September 2024 10: 00
    At the very least, it sounds strange when the RF Ministry of Defense is inactive, and smoothbore weapons are planned at the expense of various requisitioned "motley junk", without a quality guarantee, which is the primary necessity for weapons. All this is a clear indicator of non-response to the new requirements of the SVO and, in fact, the incapacity of the RF Ministry of Defense structure. Volunteers supply the RF Armed Forces with the most essential items, huge amounts of money are allocated, but the necessary centralized supplies do not occur and the RF Ministry of Defense seems to be on the sidelines. For such shortcomings, "heads in the RF Ministry of Defense" should fly without delay, then perhaps they will stir in the created irresponsible vertical.
  7. 0
    16 September 2024 11: 40
    It is necessary to provide shortened and simplified versions...
    We had everything and then we screwed it all up...
    1. 0
      16 September 2024 11: 42
      Here's something else that's being produced...
  8. 0
    27 September 2024 06: 59
    I will say and write for the hundredth time - the main problem of ours is the impenetrable stupid wooden generals of the generation EG who live by the principle - what we don’t have, we don’t need, and for this corrupt stupid general biomass, not only ordinary people but also ordinary civilians in Kursk and other border regions are now paying with blood and lives.
  9. 0
    3 October 2024 15: 46
    As a hunter and a military man with 35 years of experience, I think that carrying an AK and a shotgun is not normal. I suggest that we quickly make 12, 16, 20 caliber sawed-off shotguns with a 20 cm barrel length and a pistol grip from the Russian Guard warehouses and issue them to all members of the group instead of a pistol and it will be convenient for everyone to use a weapon to protect themselves from killer drones. am soldier