“The northernmost route”: the Chinese talk about their desire to reach the Sea of ​​Japan through the Tumannaya River

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Chinese users news The Guancha website commented on the information that China and Russia will cooperate in finding solutions to issues of ensuring navigation on the Tumen River, which could become an outlet for Northeast China to the Sea of ​​Japan.

Tumannaya is a border river between Russia and the DPRK, as well as the DPRK and China. Beijing has long wanted to gain the opportunity for commercial shipping along this waterway. However, there are several obstacles along the way.



First, the Tumannaya is a fairly shallow river and will require dredging in Russian and North Korean waters. Secondly, the legal regime for shipping needs to be worked out. Thirdly, there remains the issue of the Friendship Bridge between Russia and North Korea, which is the only land route connecting the two states.

The height of this bridge, built in 1959, prevents most modern ships from sailing under it and interferes with Chinese plans to enter the Sea of ​​Japan.

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Comments from Chinese users:

While the hegemon has not yet collapsed, China and Russia will stand back to back. This is the most correct strategic choice at this stage.


Do you still think Japan's position in the world is important? What is the necessary relationship between Northeast China's sea access and exchanges with relevant countries? The Sea of ​​Japan is not the Sea of ​​Japan!


The Tumannaya waterway is not the main subject of cooperation between China and Russia. Much more important is the opening of the Northern Sea Route connecting Vladivostok with Europe. The exit from Tumanaya could still potentially be subject to blockade by Europe, the USA, Japan and South Korea.


Is it possible to demolish this Bridge of Friendship, blocking the exit? If you can’t, then don’t let yourself be led by the nose. When I was a child, textbooks said that the northernmost exit for China was the mouth of the Tumannaya River, and that from there our ships could enter the Sea of ​​Japan. This is reflected even in the unequal “Sino-Russian Beijing Treaty”, that is, the Qing government has the right to use Tumanaya for shipping. Later, during the period of hostility between China and the Soviet Union, the latter, together with North Korea, built this bridge at the mouth to contain my country.


Should we count on North Korea and Russia to do this? Is this possible?


The question is the scale of compensation and other investments. Their form can be not only money, but natural resources, rights of use, etc. Take everything that has value! What's impossible here?


Thirty-four years after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the US system of global hegemony began its inexorable and comprehensive self-disintegration.
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  1. 0
    27 July 2024 11: 18
    according to the photo the bridge is located high enough and river vessels will be able to navigate there, in St. Petersburg under much lower bridges quite decent self-propelled barges navigated, the question of dredging and further actions of Chinese river vessels of limited seaworthiness in the Sea of ​​Japan? will they go to Vladivostok? is there any sense in transshipment to river vessels and then transshipment to sea vessels or to the port of Vladivostok when all this can be loaded onto railway and road transport and transported anywhere...
  2. -1
    27 July 2024 12: 15
    The north of China is less developed than the rest. They even adopted a special program for the Reconstruction of Northeast China.
    It can be assumed that this river will no longer be used for the export of goods, as there are few industrial centers there yet, but rather for the import of goods. materials and equipment by the cheapest mode of transport - sea, which will allow them to quickly master and develop their north-eastern part, bordering Russia.
    And since in 50 years the Russian-speaking population in the Russian Federation will already be in the minority, and imported migrants will not care about Russia, we can consider this as one of the steps towards the future development of the Far East and Siberia.
  3. -2
    27 July 2024 12: 56
    As part of the new Silk Road, why not.
    China is investing in the construction of a new railway bridge in the DPRK with a branch into the PRC.
    The old bridge is being rebuilt into a road bridge with an appropriate span height.
    And happiness to everyone.
    1. +2
      27 July 2024 22: 32
      This water route has no strategic economic benefit for the PRC, because the waterway rises far up to the border of the Russian Federation, which makes too big a detour for the central regions of the PRC. And there will be no major development and cargo flows along a too long and expensive route. But from a political point of view, strengthening the Chinese presence on the Vladivostok salient will be significant. Conclusion: in the long-term interests of the Russian Federation, such an "event" of the PRC is unacceptable, under various pretexts it should be postponed forever.
  4. +7
    27 July 2024 13: 45
    People! Wake up! This Chinese wishlist will soon be 200 years old. The king was against it. The entire leadership of the Soviet Union was against it. Now the capitalist comprador government of the Russian Federation wants to allow the seizure of part of Russian land in favor of China. To reject you, they will come up with a bunch of schemes and claim that everything is legal. For Russia, this project incurs economic, political, military, and environmental losses. China's territorial waters and China's economic zone will appear in the Sea of ​​Japan. A Chinese naval base will appear in the Sea of ​​Japan. Vladivostok as a port will suffer losses, because... cargo transshipment will go to Tumannaya. Port Zarubino will have to be closed due to unnecessary use. The reserve will be destroyed. The Russian Federation will not have a common border with the DPRK. I’ve been to those places many times, I’ve seen everything myself, I know extremely negative statements from scientists who study the Far East, China, North Korea, Korea, and Japan. For those who are not familiar with the situation, open the map and look, read what Soviet scientists and the Russian Federation thought and said.
  5. +3
    27 July 2024 14: 54
    If China is so itching, then let it FIRST build a tunnel under Tumannaya and hand it over to Russia and the DPRK for operation, we’ll see. It is quite possible that China does not like this particular bridge at all, especially now that direct trade ties have been established between Russia and North Korea past China. In addition to the Tumannaya, North Korea and China are separated by another river flowing into the Bohai Bay. Let the Chinese deepen it
    1. +3
      28 July 2024 05: 49
      If China is so itching, then let them build a tunnel FIRST...

      He will promise to build it for Vova, and he will then say that he was deceived again.
  6. +1
    29 July 2024 11: 16
    Phi.
    Shipping and economic ties are good in any case.
    But the main thing is that they don’t lose anything to China again...
    They have something to carry, but with us... they don’t write.
    1. +2
      7 August 2024 15: 52
      Shipping and economic connections are good. Who's good??? China, yes. For Russia, there are only losses, no benefits at all, we do not consider the benefits of officials, oligarchs, and the bourgeoisie.
  7. -1
    12 August 2024 08: 44
    I don’t know how important shipping on the Tumannaya River is to the Chinese; if it is, let them invest in the reconstruction of the bridge and the work of dredgers to create and deepen the fairway on the river, if it is difficult for them to bypass the Korean Peninsula.
  8. 0
    20 August 2024 13: 28
    Well, if they want to, they will come out. Who will stop them? They wanted the Big Ussuri, they got it, and as you know, your appetite grows while eating.