Communication at altitude: why did the Russian army start using balloons?

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It became known that Russian troops were using tethered balloons in the Northern Military District zone to organize communications. Finally, what some military experts, military correspondents and military bloggers have been repeating for two and a half years has come true. But does this mean a step forward or a step back?

Fact recorded


A few days ago, messages with the following content began to spread in domestic telegram channels:



Ukrainian channels report that the Russian Armed Forces have begun to use a variety of balloons to organize radio communications. According to their data, the heights of the balloons range from 500 to 3000 meters, and the distance from the front line is 20-50 kilometers.

Ukrainian sources do not inspire much confidence, but these data confirmed respected Russian military correspondent Alexander Sladkov:

Nice news. About 15 years ago I attended a meeting at the Main Directorate of Combat Training of the Russian Armed Forces. It was led by the head of the Main Directorate, General Shamanov. The discoverers of the topic of aerostat forces in the Russian Ministry of Defense, Fedorov and Mitrofanov, took part. The discussion was about the development of the use of balloons. The picture shows the first relay balloon used in Russia for military purposes (there were balloons during the Great Patriotic War, but as part of the air defense).

Thus, our army nevertheless began to use balloons in the Northwestern Military District zone for military purposes. But what kind of aircraft are these, what specific tasks are they facing, and is it worth waiting for the appearance of the long-awaited AWACS airship?

История вопроса


The Russian army began to actively use balloons at the beginning of the 20th century. The ability to rise high above the battlefield was used to organize an observation post on a tethered balloon, conduct reconnaissance from it and adjust artillery fire during the Russo-Japanese and First World Wars.

During the Great Patriotic War, balloons were widely used to protect cities, industrial areas, naval bases and other objects from attack from the air as a means of barrage. Cables with explosive charges stretched between them made it difficult for the enemy to carry out targeted dive bombing and forced them to fly at high altitudes.

After the start of the Cold War, the potential enemy began to actively use free-flying balloons and stratospheric balloons to conduct reconnaissance over the territory of the USSR. In response, our country created the Air Force Aeronautical Scientific Testing Research Center (VNIITs VVS) in Volsk, now part of the 929th State Flight Test Center named after. V. P. Chkalova. On its basis, lighter-than-air aircraft for various purposes were developed.

In the early 90s of the last century, this area in the Russian army underwent “optimization,” and in 1999, the All-Russia Air Force Research Center ceased to exist. Fortunately, after some time he finally resumed work, which gives hope. Despite the archaic design, balloons and other lighter-than-air devices have their own niche for use in modern warfare.

Communication at its best


For example, long before the RF Armed Forces on the battlefield, soldiers of the LDPR People's Militia figured out how to use a regular Chinese-made kite to organize communications, when it was still on its own as a “poor relative.” Here's how Sergeant of the Russian Armed Forces Andrei "Murz" Morozov once talked about it in his LiveJournal:

I received a message from the guys: “Now, with the help of the kite you provided, there are battles in Lisichansk. At a height of [military secret, how many] meters hangs a [military secret, how many pieces] repeater. The connection is great."

Of course, the magnificence concerns primarily that part of the connection for which this team of infinitely dedicated seasoned scumbags-connectors is responsible, who took up arms back in 2014 and over these years have been forced to learn how to create the unthinkable out of the unusable in the most indecent ways, like the credo of the Soviet engineer demands this. We want more magnificence, allowing us to work on the local crazy landscapes with alternating beams and waste heaps, we need more kites. The guys are asking for two more, and a significant part of the cost of aeronautical accessories will not be the kites themselves, but long, thin, strong rails and specialized electric winches with reverse and adjustable rotation speed.

Back in 2016, the first reports appeared that the Russian Ministry of Defense intended to use balloons for military purposes and adopted the concept of developing aeronautics equipment until 2025. The following year, 2017, it became known that, by order of our military department, on the basis of the civilian multi-purpose balloon "Peresvet" developed by the Dolgoprudny Automation Design Bureau, part of the Ruselectronics holding, a balloon with a communications complex was created, which was planned to be used in army communications brigades for transmitting large amounts of information as repeaters.

The tactical and technical characteristics of the device were stated as follows: a volume of about 3 thousand cubic meters, the ability to lift equipment weighing 3,5 kg to a height of up to 300 km, continuously work at altitude without recharging with gas on the ground for up to a crescent. This tethered balloon complex was supposed to be used to organize ultra-long-range radio communications and even to provide over-the-horizon radar. It was 2017, Karl!

Even then, opinions in the expert community regarding such aircraft were divided. Some were delighted with the opening prospects of obtaining a variety of relatively inexpensive air communications systems and AWACS, while others criticized them for their greater visibility and vulnerability. Nevertheless, in the third year of the Northern Military District, balloons began to be used at the front as repeaters.

We will monitor with interest all available information on the experience of their real application. Based on it, it will be possible to draw some conclusions about whether we should expect AWACS airships to appear in service with the Russian Armed Forces, and if so, what exactly they might be. But this is not as simple as it seems at first glance.
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  1. -11
    22 July 2024 12: 39
    If you want to show where the communications center is, and possibly the control center, raise the balloon. Brilliant. It's the 21st century, and we're raising balloons like in the 19th century. This is what a modern innovative army is like, with satellites, etc., etc... As Wagner’s chief said, there should be not 10 thousand generals, but 200, and all on the front line.
    1. -5
      22 July 2024 15: 19
      Quote from Voo
      Brilliant. It's the 21st century, and we're raising balloons like in the 19th century.

      And then! In the 21st, we will launch an innovative rocket, and let it hang, it will provide communication (there are a bunch of innovative fighters nearby, so that the enemy doesn’t get it). And even better, AWACS. And fuel, by cable, or another rocket. But cool! Not like in the 19th century.
      MARASMUS!
      1. -4
        22 July 2024 16: 07
        What is insanity? In Musk's satellites? With its satellite terminals? Insanity is to inflate balloons and present 19th century technology as an innovation. Although, if you look at electric vehicles, I won’t be surprised at anything. All you have to do is come up with a battery based on new principles and off you go, until you realize that the principles are inflated.
        1. +2
          22 July 2024 23: 04
          Quote from Voo
          Insanity is to inflate balloons and present 19th century technology as an innovation.

          Aerostats are the most economical option to create an AWACS network with the most “innovative” equipment. The gang of thieves did everything so that Russia would be thrown back in the field of astronautics and electronics. And therefore, you need to “stretch your legs according to your clothes” if there are no other worthy options.
          1. -7
            23 July 2024 00: 50
            This is how we get to bast shoes - cheap, reliable and practical. And, what is most attractive, it does not require taking away funds from the oligarchs.
    2. +6
      22 July 2024 16: 48
      a repeater is lifted on the balloon, the communication center can be tens of kilometers away. This is the same as a router in an apartment
      1. -1
        10 August 2024 01: 36
        Which will not be difficult to put out. A competition will appear - shooting at light bulbs. And d and o you. This system is suitable for stable peacetime, if it really works. During hostilities it is of no use.
    3. 0
      4 September 2024 20: 30
      If you don't like the aerostat, launch an automatic airship at an altitude of 25 km. Not everyone will shoot it down. If the US shoots it down, then their Starlinks must be shot down.
  2. +7
    22 July 2024 12: 54
    Quote from Voo
    If you want to show where the communications center is, and possibly the control center, raise the balloon. Brilliant. It's the 21st century, and we're raising balloons like in the 19th century. This is what a modern innovative army is like, with satellites, etc., etc....

    Not a control point, but a signal repeater
    1. -8
      22 July 2024 13: 38
      Eeeee? What has changed? Did he become invisible after that?
  3. +4
    22 July 2024 13: 33
    in the third year of the Northern Military District, balloons nevertheless began to be used at the front as repeaters.

    The solution has long been known and has probably been used for a long time. Where needed.
    And for example, before the SVO they promoted quite different systems for electronic warfare and communications, with folding towers.
    Apparently, that was enough then.
    And here and not here another thought was struck - radars on the airship. How long ago, it turns out, the Amers have it with their “backwardness.”
    But there is no news yet; perhaps the airships are not import-substituted and radar-resistant enough.
    1. -10
      22 July 2024 13: 42
      All this crap with balloons-airships is due to the degradation of technical thought, and the redneckness of traders in power. Aeroflot will soon begin airship transportation, my heart feels.
    2. +1
      22 July 2024 15: 26
      Quote: Sergey Latyshev
      But there is no news yet; perhaps the airships are not import-substituted enough and are not strong enough for radars

      And they didn’t think of exporting the platform for UAV interceptors to the USA (to protect the balloons). There is nowhere to substitute imports. sad
  4. +4
    22 July 2024 13: 56
    The best decision. Installing AWACS on a stationary stratospheric unmanned airship is several times cheaper than an airplane and a satellite. At an altitude of 25-40 km, the continuous operation time is 12 months (lowered and serviced). The disc-shaped airship with a diameter of 250 meters will have a lifting force of 40 tons. The airship is launched to a given point and maintains the given coordinates with electric motors. Power comes from solar panels and batteries. At this height, solar cells produce more than 75 W per square meter. With an area of ​​solar cells of 35000 sq. m, well illuminated by the sun, we have 2625 kW/h. At an altitude of 20 (35) km, the optical visible horizon is 535 (709) km, direct radio visibility is 1000 km. Such an airship - AWACS plus optical and thermal detection, allows you to detect and track any flying object, even an ultra-small drone, an inflated balloon, a bird, and also ground objects. The AWACS on the airship will make it possible to close the holes that the Russian air defense has today. The weather does not affect it, there is practically no wind there, such an airship can hang for decades. It is unlikely to be shot down at such a height. The airship can have air-to-air missiles on board.
    The airship can also have a stationary version, i.e. The airship is connected to the ground by a cable. Via a cable cable (two cores: optical fiber and 2 copper wires of 10 kV), power is supplied to the airship, control is carried out, information is retrieved, etc. On the ground there is a diesel generator, a winch, a control service, receiving and processing information. The cable rope is not load-bearing; it only supports itself. The height is determined by the characteristics of the cable rope.
    The first such project appeared in the USSR in the mid-1950s, as a repeater. Scientists again became interested in the stratospheric airship in the early 2000s, when R&D began on the A-100 AWACS. This is already the third attempt, maybe something will work out.
    1. -8
      22 July 2024 14: 15
      How will we rename Roscosmos? To Rosstratos? What should we call the satellite phone? In a ball? And it’s not bad, it will sound like that - call the ball.
      1. +4
        22 July 2024 20: 37
        You ask the guys at the front if they need round-the-clock stable noise-proof communication anywhere, in a trench, in a dugout, in a ravine, in a forest, in any weather. You will not be very funny from their reaction. The satellite does not have the same capabilities as a stratospheric airship or relay aircraft. It’s just that you can’t keep a plane in the air 24/7, but an airship can hang for years. The USA does not have AWACS and stratospheric airships, their oceans protect the territory, and the US military doctrine is attack, so they have planes and drones. Israel has been using tethered radar balloons for a long time; the weather allows them to do so. That's it. There's nothing new here.
        1. -4
          23 July 2024 00: 44
          Oooh, not even three years have passed, and we decided to ask the guys at the front - how are you coping there without communications?
    2. -1
      22 July 2024 14: 52
      Why should I read this? Write to MO.
    3. 362
      0
      23 July 2024 21: 44
      Projects, projects......, but what are the realities in industry and with specialists? For more than 20 years of “rising from our knees,” everything that was good and bad was lost and stolen. And Manturov is at the head of the entire Russian industry, and his boss......
      1. +3
        24 July 2024 00: 25
        If you are talking about an AWACS stratospheric unmanned airship, then there is nothing new, there is nothing super complicated. It is much simpler than an aircraft's AWACS. All radio electronics are there. Weight requirements for radio electronics are less stringent than for aircraft. Payload 20-25 tons, lifting force 40 tons. If desired, they will do it quickly.
  5. 0
    22 July 2024 14: 52
    It's difficult to reach the General Staff. crests have long used the proposals of Russian minds.
  6. +4
    22 July 2024 16: 10
    Everything is there, but there is still no implementation. Apart from tank biathlons and frankly brazen theft of the military budget, the bourgeois commanders are not capable of anything. Not only the army and the military-industrial complex, but also the best military science in the world were almost completely destroyed. Back in the 80s, a set of mobile, secure radio communications equipment for the tactical control level up to the squad commander and even the soldier inclusive was developed and tested. Where is he! Not only was the A-100 ruined, but they didn’t bother to organize the necessary production of the A-50. But they are all solid heroes and order bearers with big stars. Complete deception and window dressing, now called populism...
  7. +3
    22 July 2024 22: 38
    I have long said that it is time to recreate the VNOS troops (Aerial Surveillance Warning and Communications Troops). But at a new level, on the roofs of high-rise buildings, put benches, put grandmothers on them, observe with binoculars and communicate with flags. Not a single enemy satellite will reveal such a scheme, and it won’t be costly for the state; grandmothers will already have benches and binoculars with flags.
    1. +1
      23 July 2024 00: 45
      An important detail in this matter is the provision of seeds.
    2. 0
      24 July 2024 13: 23
      This has been working for crests for a long time, and quite effectively, though there are not grandmothers there, but special women’s surveillance teams, but how can we repeat what has long been tested and really works effectively, we will go a completely different way, our own.
  8. +2
    23 July 2024 06: 50
    So when will the AWACS system appear on balloons? Well, we don’t have enough A-50s, no (7 A-50s and 3 old ones are almost nothing), and these are our eyes, which the Eagles replace only close and partially. Yes, this is ersatz, but they will be hunted just like the A-50, you will have to move often and be quite far from the LBS, but we don’t yet have another option for a relatively cheap option, with the production of the A-50 you can see for yourself what is happening and will happen. Well, if we made AWACS airships that ply for days over the territory of the Russian Federation along the borders, then it would almost be a replacement for the A-50. So why hasn’t this been done yet? Messrs. Belousov and Krivoruchko???
    1. -2
      23 July 2024 08: 11
      Yes, this is ersatz, but they will be hunted just like the A-50, you will have to move often and be quite far from the LBS, but we don’t yet have another option for a relatively cheap option, with the production of the A-50 you can see for yourself what is happening and what will happen going on.

      Do not chase you, pop, for cheapness.

      Quote from “The Tale of the Priest and His Worker Balda” (1830)
      1. -1
        23 July 2024 18: 08
        And then we have to chase the high cost, as Ivanov, Shvetsova, and other figures chased for 11 billion. And get one A-50. Once every five years ..When the need is 30-50. Just yesterday. Ivanov’s logic in action!
        1. 0
          24 July 2024 00: 33
          There are two ways - to buy a third grade for an expensive price, and for an inexpensive one. Guess what this guy bought and for how much?
    2. -1
      23 July 2024 13: 05
      The stratospheric airship AWACS, as a means of air defense of the country, is beyond competition. The AWACS stratospheric airship is located on the territory of the country, can move in space (speed at an altitude of 35 km, 30 - 60 km/h), does not depend on the weather, can hang for years, and is unlikely to be shot down at such an altitude. The balloon hangs on a cable, i.e. in one place, the cable is load-bearing, it has the weight that the balloon holds, you can’t lift 2-4 km high, the weather, wind, rain, snow, glaciation affects it. A balloon at an altitude of 4 km has a visible optical horizon of 239 km and 709 km for a stratospheric airship AWACS, feel the difference. During combat operations, the balloon is easily shot down by a missile or drone. It is impossible to compare which is better: a ground-based radar, an airship, a balloon, an airplane or a satellite; each of them has its own advantages, disadvantages and purposes. In terms of price, in relation to the stated goals, manufacturing + commissioning + operation, the AWACS stratospheric airship turns out to be the cheapest among aircraft.
      1. 0
        23 July 2024 15: 29
        Dreams. We can’t build caponiers for airplanes, but here Ostap got carried away - airships. Have you seen the airship hangar? And you won't see it.
        1. 0
          23 July 2024 16: 03
          Mystery. They can build military aircraft, but they cannot build a caponier. Do you agree that a stratospheric airship AWACS is needed or not? Your opinion.
          1. 0
            24 July 2024 00: 22
            I have already written on this topic - you can’t think of a better stratospheric drone, compact, economical, high-speed, cheap hangars, again, there is no need to duplicate infrastructure. In general, there are only advantages, but no, give us airships.
            1. 0
              24 July 2024 00: 29
              If the stratospheric AWACS drone has some advantages, then ask why no one in the world has made it.
              1. 0
                24 July 2024 00: 32
                Who needs an airship? So do satellites. We only need a long-term program in order to develop the budget, followed by - well, I couldn’t do it... Maybe that’s why no one in the world is messing with these airships. If only China. But, he is a baby when it comes to aeronautics.
                1. 0
                  24 July 2024 13: 08
                  You previously wrote about a stratospheric drone, but the problem is that at those altitudes the air is thin and to create lift you will have to fly at supersonic speed or make a wing of a huge area. You can’t fly much at such altitudes in supersonic mode, there’s a huge amount of material on this topic on the Internet, you can’t raise the wing, it will break. The British have been developing a stratospheric aircraft for 50 years, the results are still very modest. Stratospheric balloons and airships fly there. Recently, a Chinese balloon accidentally flew into the United States, and there was great embarrassment when it was shot down.
                  1. 0
                    24 July 2024 17: 04
                    The stratosphere is not a panacea. Who are you going to watch? We don't even have a semblance of a drone like the Global Hawk. This is not super technology, but we don’t have it!!! And here you are singing about strategic goals. We don't have them. The only purpose is to extend the term of the guarantor. This also applies to the gravel.
                2. 0
                  24 July 2024 14: 22
                  You have some outdated information, in NATO balloons are used very actively, especially for monitoring the border, and their use for electronic reconnaissance is very common.
                  1. 0
                    24 July 2024 17: 25
                    In my commentary we are talking about the stratospheric airship AWACS. The USA has been producing tethered balloons for a long time, height 4,5 km, payload 500 kg. Israel also uses balloons. There is a lot of information on the topic of what NATO and its satellites have. For example:
                    https://topwar.ru/27953-razvedyvatelnye-aerostaty-na-vooruzhenii-armii-ssha.html?ysclid=lyzx7nq0c7423334771
                    Why this is not the case in the Russian Federation, you yourself know the answer.
                    1. +1
                      24 July 2024 17: 39
                      Why this is not the case in the Russian Federation, you yourself know the answer.

                      I know, but I won't tell you. You say coward. Maybe. But smart people learn from other people's mistakes. Prigogine is an example of this.
  9. -1
    24 July 2024 22: 29
    will be used as army corps/field army repeaters for communication between battalion groups of 1st and 2nd echelons. Daily replacement of frequencies and call signs according to a written schedule. Plus telemetry from reconnaissance UAVs for headquarters and gunners.
  10. +1
    25 July 2024 15: 08
    Quote: vlad127490
    The weather does not affect it, there is practically no wind there,

    There is wind there and it is very strong, especially if you get caught in a jet stream of air.
    1. -1
      25 July 2024 17: 33
      A high-altitude jet stream is a strong wind in the form of a narrow air stream in the upper troposphere or lower stratosphere. They arise due to the rotation of the Earth around its axis and the uneven heating of the Earth during its rotation around the Sun.
      The high-altitude jet stream going from West to East is present up to 60 km, they are constant and depend on the seasons. Air density at the altitude of 0 km is 1,225 kg/m³ (g/l), 20 km is 0,088908 kg/m³ (g/l), 25 km is 0,040083 kg/m³ (g/l), 35 km is 0,008463 kg/m³ (g/l). There are maps of high-altitude jet streams, so by changing the altitude you can change the coordinates of the aircraft. There is no such thing as weather at altitudes up to 10 km, at altitudes above 20 km. This is what makes altitudes of 20+ km attractive.
    2. 0
      25 July 2024 19: 06
      A jet stream?! AT THREE HUNDRED METERS?!
  11. 0
    25 July 2024 19: 04
    Makes perfect sense.
  12. 0
    25 July 2024 19: 05
    This development makes perfect sense, and I can guarantee you that NATO are working at similar solutions.

    Modern electronic warfare makes these kinds of ideas necessary.
    1. -1
      26 July 2024 16: 24
      There is no doubt that some country will make an unmanned stratospheric airship for AWACS. Tethered and free balloons have been used in meteorology for a long time. The American altitude record for unattached balloons was 51,8 km. The unmanned probe record belongs to the Japanese space agency JAXA. The balloon reached the 53 km mark in 2002. So, lifting an unmanned stratospheric airship to altitudes of 25-35 km is not a big technological problem. The Chinese balloon over the USA showed a problem with air defense.
      1. 0
        10 August 2024 01: 43
        The Americans came up with the SDI ("Star Wars") program, do you think it's a workable topic? Fuck it. But someone got up on it quite well.
        1. 0
          10 August 2024 13: 24
          It’s easy to find a reason not to do something; it’s even easier to criticize someone else’s proposal. If you don't like it, it doesn't mean the project is a dead end. The AWACS stratospheric airship project will be implemented. Who will do it? More likely Chinese. Time will show.
          1. 0
            10 August 2024 14: 52
            To do this, games are played at headquarters. Figure out for yourself how your airships can be disposed of and how, and how much it will cost.
            1. 0
              10 August 2024 16: 48
              The first project of a stratospheric airship (there was a diesel generator with a compressor inside) and a repeater was proposed in 1954 in the USSR; instead of an airship, they made tethered repeater balloons; power and control were supplied via cable. Electronics then were based on lamps, the first transistors had just appeared, microcircuits, solar panels, photodiodes and much that we have now did not exist at that time. What a joy it was “The First Earth Satellite”, “The First Cosmonaut”. Now there are no problems raising a balloon or an airship to a height of 30-35 km; it is a technologically simple task. It is almost impossible to shoot down a hanging airship at an altitude of 30 km on Russian territory. The airship that was written about lifts 40 tons of payload. On board it has air-to-air missiles as its defense. Direct radar visibility from an airship is 1000 km, optical visibility is 700 km, thermal visibility depends on the receivers, but it will see airplanes and missiles at a range of 100 km. What and how are you planning to shoot down? The issue of hitting high-altitude targets has been around for 70 years. The Chinese balloon probe over the USA was shot down for 4 days, read on the Internet.
              1. 0
                10 August 2024 17: 17
                If the airship is tied down, then there is no need to shoot it down, just hit the anchor; if it is not tied down, then it must replenish supplies somewhere, but at the current level of strategic intelligence, not with us, and this is not a problem. In general, he doesn’t pull the airship onto a needle to hide it in a haystack. But where are the F16s hiding? Question. While the issue of using and supporting these airships looks dubious, it is natural for me. Perhaps somewhere a talented Russian engineer has already come up with an invisibility cloak for this entire system, then it will be a different matter. In the meantime, this technology, for me, is applicable only for civilian purposes.
                1. 0
                  10 August 2024 17: 59
                  There is no need to hide the airship. Everything that flies within a radius of 1000 km will be clearly visible, all stealth aircraft can be seen from above. Electrical power comes from solar cells during the day and from batteries at night. It will be lowered to the ground for maintenance once a year. An AWACS stratospheric airship has many advantages. For civilian purposes, this is a repeater, communication, you can distribute the Internet.
                  1. 0
                    10 August 2024 18: 03
                    Do you think helium will not erode in a year? And what about satellites? Do you think it will be impossible to destroy an airship using some kind of reusable spacecraft? I assure you, as soon as the West sees a threat in airships, the problem of eliminating them will be solved, they will not stand by the price. Do we have that much currency?
                    1. 0
                      10 August 2024 18: 47
                      At such altitudes, passivated hydrogen is used. Gas leakage in the shell is compensated by pumping from compressed gas cylinders. An airship is several times cheaper than an airplane. Spacecraft, they are one-time and have a different purpose, the total cost of the satellite is approximately 200 million dollars, the operating time is 10 years. The airship has no problems with repairs or upgrades. To consider threats, you must first have an airship.
                      1. 0
                        11 August 2024 00: 30
                        Spacecraft, they are one-time and have a different purpose, the total cost of the satellite is approximately 200 million dollars, the operating time is 10 years.

                        About disposable spaceships, this is for Musk. But as for their own Hindenburg or Putinburg, this is for them, the guys with funds, their own airship sounds exclusive, it can get through, yachts are not impressive anymore.
  13. +1
    5 August 2024 14: 50
    So, gradually we will grow to airships! To be sure, it was visible from afar.