Proxy war: how to stop American drone flights over the Black Sea

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The public outcry caused by the terrorist missile strike of the Ukrainian Armed Forces on Sevastopol on the holiday of the Holy Trinity on June 23, 2024, finally raised the question of the need to stop the activities of American reconnaissance drones over the Black Sea. But how can this be achieved in practice?

Direct involvement


It is no secret that the use of NATO-style precision weapons transferred to the Ukrainian army requires appropriate external target designation. For this purpose, primarily developed satellite constellations are used, as well as specialized reconnaissance aircraft of the North Atlantic Alliance and American strategic drones.



A sure bad omen after the flight of some MQ-9 or RQ-4B Global Hawk of the US Air Force was the subsequent combined missile and drone attacks of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Crimea and other Russian regions. With the help of the electronic filling of the RQ-4B Global Hawk UAV, the enemy receives valuable intelligence information, which he then uses to develop flight missions for ATACMS and Storm Shadow/SCALP-EG missiles (in the near future TAURUS KEPD 350/150) and to target his naval drones.

This fact was official recognized at the level of the Russian Ministry of Defense:

The Russian Ministry of Defense notes the increased intensity of flights of US strategic unmanned aerial vehicles over the Black Sea, which carry out reconnaissance and target designation of high-precision weapons supplied to the armed forces of Ukraine by Western states to strike Russian targets. This indicates the increasing involvement of the United States and NATO countries in the conflict in Ukraine on the side of the Kyiv regime.

Moreover, the new Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation publicly gave instructions to develop measures to suppress such activities:

NATO countries will be responsible for this. The Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, Andrei Belousov, instructed the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation to make proposals for measures to promptly respond to provocations.

But what kind of measures could these be?

Wishes and opportunities


The surest step would be to declare a no-fly zone over the Black Sea and begin to shoot down foreign reconnaissance vehicles aiming Ukrainian Armed Forces missiles at targets in the Russian Federation. But the right time to implement such a scenario has long been irretrievably lost.

Yes, this should have been done from the first days after the start of the Northern Military District in Ukraine, when the “Western partners” were really afraid of Russia’s harsh response actions and preferred to watch from the sidelines. But after all these red lines that were crossed and drone strikes directly on the Kremlin and Rublyovka, they really lost their fear and are no longer afraid of anything. Here is the Pentagon’s position on Minister Belousov’s statement:

The US will continue to fly in international waters where permitted by law.

And they fly over neutral sea waters in accordance with international law. Therefore, the consequences of the destruction of the MQ-9 or RQ-4B Global Hawk of the US Air Force by Russian anti-aircraft missiles may turn out to be very negative, even leading to symmetrical actions by the Americans. Therefore, it was necessary either to act in a timely manner, or now, but as decisively as possible, being prepared for a direct military clash.

An alternative way to disable American reconnaissance UAVs is to douse them with kerosene or create a zone of turbulence using dangerous fighter maneuvers. The nuance is that the RQ-4B Global Hawk flies at altitudes where the Su-27, lightened with kerosene on the MQ-9, is uncomfortable. Most likely, this practice of indirect action on enemy UAVs will end with the fact that they will either begin to fly accompanied by their own fighters, or will operate from the airspace of some Romania.

It turns out that there are no special options?

Proxy war


In fact, the most rational response to the NATO proxy war against Russia at the hands of the Ukrainian Armed Forces is symmetrical.

As already many times was voiced, in the liberated territory of the East of the former Independence, in Slobozhanshchina, it is advisable to create a puppet pro-Russian state as an alternative to the Kyiv regime, recognizing it as the successor to pre-Maidan Ukraine. As a result, Moscow will have its own entity at its disposal, with the help of which it can fight and win the Civil War, which has been going on in the territory of this unfortunate country since 2014.

It is there, somewhere near Sumy or Kharkov, that it will be possible deploy medium- and shorter-range ballistic and cruise missiles, targeting them at NATO countries that support the Zelensky regime. It is through the hands of this puppet state, its army, air force and navy, that one can begin to wage a proxy war against Kyiv’s Western sponsors, hitting logistics centers and defense factories in Europe, sinking ships in the Black Sea and shooting down reconnaissance drones and aircraft.

The sooner the understanding that there is no alternative to the format of a retaliatory proxy war comes to the Russian military-political leadership, the sooner a positive turning point will come for us in this bloody armed conflict.
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  1. +8
    29 June 2024 13: 28
    Stop being afraid and finally start shooting down US drones that have become completely insolent. Otherwise, what kind of superpower are we? Yes, a yard pug. And the global south is watching and drawing conclusions.
    1. -1
      4 July 2024 23: 27
      Well, it's easy for you! You have nothing in Western Europe and the USA!
      You are not even afraid of sanctions.
      And people have children, families, yachts, mistresses, mothers-in-law and sons-in-law, savings and valuables... is it so easy to just not give a damn about what has been built up over the years?
  2. +3
    29 June 2024 13: 31
    Until the Supreme Commander-in-Chief gets an itch, no one will lift a finger.
    1. -2
      5 July 2024 13: 33
      If he doesn't itch, he won't lift a finger!
      So why is it itching? Why lift a finger...To the people of the Supreme???
      Why am I confused...?
  3. +9
    29 June 2024 13: 46
    They were exactly 10 years late. In 2014, the state of Novorossiya could have appeared (easily) and a ready-made president (quite legitimate) was running around Rostov. And now just shoot down - quickly, hard, uncompromisingly and openly.
    1. +6
      29 June 2024 14: 29
      And now just shoot down - quickly, hard, uncompromisingly and openly.

      For this we need a new Supreme. This has long been clear to everyone. No intrigue.
    2. -1
      5 July 2024 13: 35
      Easy on paper!
      Yep ..
  4. +3
    29 June 2024 14: 23
    It all comes down to the old truth, sung, for example, in Kipling’s poems about the machine gun.

    We don’t have them, but the Amers have such reconnaissance drones.
    but our “Elite” has dachas, palaces, yachts and children in Nato.
    But they don’t have children or dachas in Russia.
    We can be proud and envious of this...

    I remember the flight of Amer’s MO!!! for uncoordinated budget money - it was a scandal.
    And our sides of the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs didn’t notice anything... and nothing... (Toloboev was directly indignant about this, he met him. They didn’t touch Toloboev, but didn’t see him on the programs anymore...)
    1. +2
      29 June 2024 14: 27
      Seryozha, Good riddance! Yes
  5. +1
    29 June 2024 14: 23
    As has already been repeatedly voiced, in the liberated territory of the former Independence East, in Slobozhanshchina, it is advisable to create a puppet pro-Russian state as an alternative to the Kyiv regime

    It is through the hands of this puppet state, its army, air force and navy, that one can begin to wage a proxy war against Kyiv’s Western sponsors, hitting logistics centers and defense factories in Europe, sinking ships in the Black Sea and shooting down reconnaissance drones and aircraft.

    The fleet in the Sumy and Kharkov regions is strong. I can see how this powerful state deals crushing blows to the NATO bloc, destroying the infrastructure and economy of Europe. And we stand quietly on the sidelines, fiddling with handkerchiefs in our hands. By the way, this state would greatly increase its territory and power, add new territories to it and gain access to the sea. Then the fleet is a reality and flights over the sea. Only then should Russian citizens and Russian citizens be abandoned. The question of what NATO will do with this state is rhetorical. Or maybe he won’t bother, but will immediately begin to deal with Russia.
    1. +1
      29 June 2024 14: 28
      The fleet in the Sumy and Kharkov regions is strong.

      The fleet can be unmanned and stationed in Crimea under a base lease agreement.

      I can see how this powerful state deals crushing blows to the NATO bloc, destroying the infrastructure and economy of Europe. And we stand quietly on the sidelines, fiddling with handkerchiefs in our hands.

      This is exactly what can and should be done.

      By the way, this state would greatly increase its territory and power, add new territories to it and gain access to the sea

      This is contrary to the Constitution of the Russian Federation

      What will NATO do with this state?

      It won’t do anything, because Sumy and Kharkov are objectively under the Russian missile defense umbrella. Launching missiles in this direction is a launch towards Russia. NATO will first try with the help of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and when it starts receiving missiles at Rzeszow and beyond, it will back down.

      Or maybe he won’t bother and will immediately begin to deal with Russia.

      It could have dealt with Russia directly, it would have been sorted out long ago and would not have played proxy.
      PS
      I see that you, Johnny, are starting to get excited when options are voiced on how Russia can really win? Do you really want Russia to lose as quickly as possible and return to the borders of 1991?
      1. 0
        29 June 2024 14: 45
        What will NATO do with this state?

        He won't do anything, he'll give it back.

        We, as they explained to us, started a war just from the mere possibility of placing missiles in Ukraine, and they will give up after attacks on their territory?

        Or maybe he won’t bother and will immediately begin to deal with Russia.

        It could have dealt with Russia directly, it would have been sorted out long ago and would not have played proxy.

        The people there are decent. While everything is fine with them, everything is according to plan, why would they get involved in a bloody war, and then clear away the rubble in our stables? They are adequate people.
        1. 0
          29 June 2024 14: 54
          We, as they explained to us, started a war just from the mere possibility of placing missiles in Ukraine, and they will give up after attacks on their territory?

          So.

          There adequate people. While everything is fine with them, everything is according to plan, why would they get involved in a bloody war, and then clear away the rubble in our stables? They are adequate people.

          That’s why they will back down when there is a real risk of a nuclear strike on their territory and incurring direct military and economic losses.
          1. 0
            29 June 2024 15: 27
            That’s why they will back down when there is a real risk of a nuclear strike on their territory and incurring direct military and economic losses.

            And how much did they give back during these two and a half years?
            Are we not afraid of the real risk of a nuclear strike on our territory? What losses will they have with their economy being 62% and our economy being 2% of the global one?
            1. +1
              29 June 2024 15: 36
              And how much did they give back during these two and a half years?

              They didn’t give up at all, because they are being condoned by one geopolitician who doesn’t want to win, but wants to be friends.

              Are we not afraid of the real risk of a nuclear strike on our territory?

              Scary. But they are more scared because they have more to lose.

              What losses will they have with their economy being 62% and our economy being 2% of the global one?

              In the event of a nuclear war, there will be no time for virtual interest. And they understand this better than anyone, and that’s why they won’t allow it. They'll give it back. Sami. When the threat to MI becomes real.
              1. -1
                29 June 2024 16: 07
                Scary. But they are more scared because they have more to lose. .

                Why do they have more to lose? Because you want it that way? According to START-3, we have parity in terms of delivery vehicles and warheads. In addition, our population and industry are concentrated in large cities, while theirs are spread out across the country. New York is not an industrial center, but a financial and cultural one. In addition, they have a strong missile defense that will intercept a lot. From their positional areas of the Norwegian and Mediterranean seas, the Tridents have a seven-minute flight to our Strategic Missile Forces, Engels, Vidyaevo, and Moscow. They are capable of delivering the first blow, and then intercepting what’s left.

                In the event of a nuclear war, there will be no time for virtual interest

                Two (2) percent and 62 percent is too big a difference to be virtual, you don’t want to understand this, your right to live in a world of illusions, it’s so good and pleasant there. And I, such a bastard, lower you to the ground.
                1. +1
                  29 June 2024 20: 01
                  New York is not an industrial center, but a financial and cultural one. In addition, they have a strong missile defense that will intercept a lot. From their positional areas of the Norwegian and Mediterranean seas, the Tridents have a seven-minute flight to our Strategic Missile Forces, Engels, Vidyaevo, and Moscow. They are capable of delivering the first blow, and then intercepting what’s left.

                  Once again, why do adequate people who, according to you, are from the other side, need this exchange of nuclear strikes?

                  Two (2) percent and 62 percent is too big a difference to be virtual, you don’t want to understand this, your right to live in a world of illusions, it’s so good and pleasant there. And I, such a bastard, lower you to the ground.

                  Sorry, but you're just... who wants your country to fail.
                  1. 0
                    30 June 2024 10: 28
                    Sorry, but you're just... who wants your country to fail.

                    You don’t have to wish the country defeat, but you can push it into the abyss. Into the abyss of nuclear war, as you and some of our leaders are doing. Self-reliance is called Juche. What this Juche leads to can be seen in the example of our faithful friend and ally North Korea.
              2. +2
                30 June 2024 13: 07
                The Americans' GDP is 18% of the world's, consumption is off the charts, over 40% of the world's. Parasites in general.
            2. 0
              3 July 2024 15: 42
              That's right, with their economy at 62 percent, they will suffer gigantic losses. We will have to forget about Europe, since it will no longer recover, based on the realities of today.
  6. +3
    29 June 2024 14: 51
    there is one big problem - the main one
    1. 0
      3 July 2024 15: 44
      There is one problem - the US State Department's manuals in relation to our Supreme Commander: scold and blame Putin everywhere. This is where they toss in some money, which some people earn here in good faith!
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    1. +2
      29 June 2024 15: 03
      Quote from Perun61
      Is that possible?

      With the current political leadership of the Russian Federation, this is impossible.
  8. 0
    29 June 2024 16: 23
    And what did they want to get when they fearfully threatened with a felt-tip pen the free flights of Western Air Forces in the skies of sovereign Syria and Yemen... Of course, it’s easier to scold the Union and Iran, but what you can’t take away from them is their adequacy in suppressing Western air threats... Let’s remember the same Powers and the South Koreans.
  9. +1
    29 June 2024 16: 27
    Create a puppet state in a puppet state... Strong! And how will this help shoot down enemy drones over the Black Sea now?!
    There was already an LDPR, did it help us defeat the Nazis without going to war?
    1. +2
      29 June 2024 20: 01
      Create a puppet state in a puppet state... Strong! And how will this help shoot down enemy drones over the Black Sea now?!
      There was already an LDPR, did it help us defeat the Nazis without going to war?

      LDNR was created in spite of Putin. He tried for 8 years to hand it over to Ukraine.
      1. 0
        3 July 2024 15: 46
        If it weren’t for Putin, the LDPR simply wouldn’t exist. They would have crushed him. And so the North Wind helped, and he also made recognition of these republics.
  10. +1
    29 June 2024 16: 31
    As soon as the Russian Federation legally declares, as China did in relation to Taiwan, that the entire territory of Ukraine, within the 1975 borders, is an integral part of Russia, all these flights of NATO vehicles will cease to influence the situation in Ukraine. Abruptly, a lot will change in favor of the Russian Federation. It is clear that the Russian authorities will not do this. The difference between the authorities of the Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China is that the authorities of the People's Republic of China serve their people, and the authorities of the Russian Federation serve the Washington regional committee. The “elite” of the Russian Federation is divided into two groups, the first offers to surrender, give everything to NATO, the second to share the loot with NATO. In general, the entire “elite” is anti-people, anti-state. This government fears for its pockets in front of NATO; it will not do anything.
  11. +2
    29 June 2024 16: 31
    what nonsense! instead of really fighting drones, we will create some kind of state in the Sumy region??? wink author! We couldn’t take Avdeevka for 2 years, progress is now almost zero... Crimea is under shelling, and soon Kuban... how many years will it take to enter the Sumy region and Kharkov?
    1. +1
      29 June 2024 20: 03
      what nonsense! instead of really fighting drones, we will create some kind of state in the Sumy region??? wink author! We couldn’t take Avdeevka for 2 years, progress is now almost zero... Crimea is under shelling, and soon Kuban... how many years will it take to enter the Sumy region and Kharkov?

      There is zero progress because there is no goal to win this war. Isn't it clear?
      This whole SBO is an attempt to force Western partners to sit down at the negotiating table on how to continue selling gas and oil to them at a discount. With the corresponding result.
  12. +4
    29 June 2024 17: 06
    how to stop American drone flights over the Black Sea

    No way... The Kremlin has little guts...
  13. +2
    29 June 2024 19: 04
    I would do it simpler: I would requisition airspace over the Black Sea in response to the seizure of Russian assets abroad, and anyone who encroaches on the requisitioned area is subject to legal attack.
  14. -1
    29 June 2024 23: 06
    The Tsar blew up the deep part of Yellowstone to reactivate the megavolcano. This will be a “false flag” with nature, like the strange orbits of meteorites that fell in October 2016 or before the coup in Ukraine on Friday, February 15, 2013.
  15. Ksv
    +1
    30 June 2024 00: 37
    Auto RU! If we omit emotions, it becomes clear that most commentators, according to the old Soviet habit, consider the United States to be equal to us. But that's not true! Americans consider themselves much higher than us, and this is not only due to their psychology and upbringing, but also due to the fact that this is truly a military fact. It is from this logical statement that we need to build on further reflections
    1. 0
      30 June 2024 01: 28
      There is a concept: Count and there is a concept: Can. What the United States thinks is one thing, but what it can really do is another. If you all noticed that they, as a rule, try not to fight alone. Before attacking someone, they put together something like a gang - different coalitions. So they are not as strong as they seem. And many here have the wrong opinion about them.
      Regarding air defense, they do not have air defense. There is only focal air defense in the area of ​​positional areas with the ballistic missile system and the capital itself. The best air defense equipment, their Patriots, successfully showed themselves in battles. And in fact, I lost
      So the USA itself is not very strong without various sixes
      1. Ksv
        +1
        30 June 2024 02: 55
        You have correctly noticed that they do not like to suffer losses. Trait of the Anglo-Saxons: Pulling chestnuts out of the fire with the wrong hands! The USA plus NATO is much stronger than us. I hope you won’t argue with that. Their naval component is several orders of magnitude stronger than ours, their aviation is several times larger than ours, and as we see, they also have air defense. Even if it’s worse than ours, they don’t need much, they were always confident that we wouldn’t attack first, and this is a fact too! In terms of the land component, in general, they are also larger than us, Despite the fact that our tanks and certain types of weapons are better than theirs, I mean the dagger and other zircons...
        You need to clearly understand that the Americans really consider themselves stronger than us, they just consider themselves superior to us, they consider us to be Natives, they do not recognize our right to live the way we want. It’s not that they are Russophobes, they feel the same way about any Pakistanis, Indians, Chinese, and so on... their economy is much stronger than ours, I’m afraid that we will have to fight for real with them, I hope it doesn’t come to strategic nuclear forces
      2. Ksv
        +1
        30 June 2024 03: 03
        By the way, their defense of the White House is not Patriot, but NASAMS, a Norwegian-German one, if I’m not mistaken
  16. +1
    30 June 2024 13: 03
    The USA has 103 nuclear power plants. 103 potential Fukushima. And the amers' planes fall, fall, fall... until they reach the nuclear power plant. What if we help the Padans a little?
  17. +1
    30 June 2024 16: 31
    Thanks to our criminal inaction, instead of a tough response, the United States has the illusion that they will be able to endlessly and with impunity increase the degree of escalation, while our strategists continue to blather and again draw red lines that the United States wanted to put on, because they know. that we have little guts to answer... How many Chinese warnings have already been heard from the Moscow high offices, everyone was waiting for answers, but they never got it, thereby teaching the West that for their dirty tricks they will not get anything from the Russian Federation, they already think so even in Europe. They consider us weaklings, it’s in their blood that if you don’t answer, that means you’re a weakling and you not only can, but also need to be kicked. That’s why the United States is increasing the degree of escalation, but is there a limit to it, that same red line, I think yes, this is a demonstrative and humiliating shooting down of an American reconnaissance UAV over the Black Sea, which is participating in a war crime against the Russian Crimea, where children are already dying from its criminal actions .
  18. +1
    1 July 2024 11: 15
    This is a sensible idea, I think.
  19. 0
    2 July 2024 17: 46
    Alla fine Putin ha deciso: Ha optato per qualche arrivo di missile ogni tanto. . anziché abbattere i Droni RQ-4B Global Hawk provenienti da Sigonella. A questo punto sorge un dubbio: ma è tutto vero quel che finora ci ha predicato Putin sulla forza della Russia?
    1. 0
      3 July 2024 16: 13
      Do you guarantee that after the downing of an American drone, the Americans would not start shooting down anything Russian outside of Russia? Still, Putin acts correctly and does not indulge in lawlessness. This is why Russia has more and more allies. In addition, time is working for Russia and there is no point in accelerating its passage, which will definitely lead to a world nuclear war. There is a saying: Hurry up and make your enemies laugh.
  20. 0
    3 July 2024 18: 24
    Nonostante siano state accertate le complicità di NATO & USA negli attacchi mirati dall'Ukraina ai siti all'interno del territorio russo, non si capisce tutto questo timore della Russia ad abbattere gli UAV Spia "ISR" Global Hawk RQ-4B. A questo punto non si capisce bene se l'accertamento è comprovato. . oppure cosa?
  21. -1
    4 July 2024 23: 24
    Well, yes, Slobozhanshchina with nuclear weapons and hypersonic intercontinental missiles.
    Why...? Such a state...
  22. 0
    8 July 2024 12: 07
    Proxy war: how to stop American drone flights over the Black Sea

    The minister was replaced, but to no avail. The only hope left is to abolish the position of president or leave the position and change the president. One of two things should do the trick.
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