China may become critically dependent on Russia

The Chinese expert community has sent a proposal to the Russian leadership regarding the construction of a giant conduit that would allow water to be transferred from the Altai Territory to Chinese areas suffering from drought.


China has large water reserves, but because of the huge population they are not enough. Fresh water often has to be delivered by tankers from Thailand and South Korea.

The supplier of this resource could be Russia. Moreover, the Altai Territory has an oversupply of water resources. This is not only not useful, but also harmful, since huge amounts of money have to be spent on liquidating the consequences of floods.

It turns out that the project is beneficial to Russia. Firstly, it will be possible to receive money for a resource that the country has in abundance. Secondly, the metallurgical industry will be loaded with orders, since the project will require the manufacture of a large number of pipes. Thirdly, along the way, it would be possible to establish water exports to Kazakhstan, which also suffers from a shortage of water resources.

But there are pitfalls. It is not yet clear how this will affect the environmental situation in Russia. In addition, fresh water is a resource, and the economy it is beneficial that they sell not the resources, but the processed products (for example, bottled water).

Involved in this issue and policy. According to the World Bank, by 2050, water scarcity will reduce China's GDP by 6% per year or more. If there is enough water, the situation will change in the opposite direction - GDP will grow by 2% per year. It turns out that the future of the Chinese economy is highly dependent on this project.

Not everyone in the world benefits from China's economic growth. First of all, this is contrary to the interests of the United States. Of course, they will create obstacles for the implementation of the project.

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  1. Altona Offline Altona
    Altona (Eugene) 9 January 2019 15: 35
    +5
    It is generally not profitable for us to somehow help China. Moreover, to help us, he is in no hurry.
  2. businessv Offline businessv
    businessv (Vadim) 9 January 2019 16: 38
    +4
    it’s a resource, and it’s profitable for the economy to sell not resources, but processing products (for example, bottled water)

    A perfectly true idea, but why is bottled, and not bottled, from the word bottle? A bottle is a costly and inconvenient container. More packaging, less expense. wink
    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex 10 January 2019 18: 12
      +3
      ... or flared ...
      1. Vladimir T Offline Vladimir T
        Vladimir T (Vladimir T) 11 January 2019 15: 40
        +1
        Or barrel and tank.
    2. pafegosoff Offline pafegosoff
      pafegosoff (Arkhip Pafegosov) 11 January 2019 05: 30
      +2
      The largest packaging is the pipeline, or even the canal.
      In general, the turn signals of the rivers under Khrushchev almost caused disasters.
      Then - the Ministry of Land Reclamation pulled more money than the Ministry of Defense and banged the USSR.
      Now they want to create full Siberian cranes.
      Spring flood is a restless thing (but do not settle in areas of possible flooding!), But this is a self-cleaning system. If you divert spring waters somewhere - the end of Russia!
  3. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 9 January 2019 18: 46
    +6
    This water is needed by China for the development of the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region. It is weak there with industry, agricultural, and, as a result, with population growth and its loyalty.
    And if this area rises well, then China will climb further. Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan. Altai, after all. Sits on additional sources of water.
    In general, give a finger - they will grab a hand to the elbow. So it’s unlikely that our water will help them. So calm.
    1. Vitaliy Naberezhny (Vitaliy Naberezhny) 10 January 2019 11: 56
      +2
      Quote: boriz
      So it’s unlikely that our water will help them. So calm.

      Yeah, and in our government, such strategists are sitting right there, that you’ll sway ...! )))
      Yes, they will sell anything, if for the benefit of themselves personally ...
      1. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
        sgrabik (Sergei) 10 January 2019 15: 15
        +4
        It is necessary to get used to thinking about the interests of Russia, and not about their personal pockets, all who profit from the state. it’s high time to send resources to the bunk, it’s time for our Government and State Duma deputies to seriously think about it !!!
        1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
          A.Lex 10 January 2019 18: 37
          -1
          Sergey, are you sure that OUR CURRENT government is capable of thinking about the people?
      2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
        A.Lex 10 January 2019 18: 14
        0
        Vitaly Naberezhny, because the liberal orientation in the economy prevails here in Russia ... So, sooooo ....
    2. ver_ Offline ver_
      ver_ (Vera) 10 January 2019 16: 42
      +1
      ..we didn’t cut their outposts, and on the Damansky island they * came to us * with weapons ..
      1. PSih2097 Offline PSih2097
        PSih2097 (Alexander Latvian) 10 January 2019 20: 04
        0
        Quote: ver_
        and on Damansky Island they * came to us * with weapons ..

        Well, in the end, the GDP gave it to them ...
        1. Vladimir T Offline Vladimir T
          Vladimir T (Vladimir T) 11 January 2019 15: 49
          0
          GDP solved a long-standing relationship problem. He legalized the exact coordinates of the border on mutually beneficial concessions. Now China has no territorial claims to Russia. As well as in Russia to China.
      2. Vladimir T Offline Vladimir T
        Vladimir T (Vladimir T) 11 January 2019 15: 45
        +1
        In Damansky, there has never been an outpost. He hides under water in the spring. With knives carving outposts, also not attacked.
  4. Elephant Offline Elephant
    Elephant 10 January 2019 16: 39
    0
    To reduce the lack of moisture, the Chinese also massively plant trees.
  5. gorbunov.vladisl (Vlad Dudnik) 10 January 2019 19: 31
    +1
    In Russia, every spring, the flood brings enormous losses. And in Altai as well. So why not build (at Chinese expense) a reservoir for collecting flood water. And then sell it to China.
    Have we got the budget spoiled by income? And there is nowhere to put extra money in the country? An extra "penny", but for extra water, will definitely not be superfluous.
    1. PSih2097 Offline PSih2097
      PSih2097 (Alexander Latvian) 10 January 2019 20: 09
      +2
      Quote: gorbunov.vladisl
      In Russia, every spring, the flood brings enormous losses. And in Altai as well.

      This is not nature, but the gouging of the authorities, who, as always, are not ready for anything, be it drought, heavy rains, frost and snow, etc.

      Quote: gorbunov.vladisl
      Have we got the budget spoiled by income? And there is nowhere to put extra money in the country? An extra "penny", but for extra water, will definitely not be superfluous.

      and whoever said that he would go to the budget, they would create another RW and they would consider losses.
      1. gorbunov.vladisl (Vlad Dudnik) 11 January 2019 12: 36
        +1
        This is not nature, but the gouging of the authorities ...

        Spring floods all over the world (where normal winter is) has a place to be. And believe me, everywhere from the flood there are problems.

        ... will create another radioactive waste ...

        Are you from the squadron "all-pro-salipolymers" slowly crawling into the cemetery? crying
    2. Acvila Offline Acvila
      Acvila (Svetlana Trubkina) 11 January 2019 11: 16
      0
      On the channel of the Alei River (Altai Territory) - Skluihe, the Skluikhinsky reservoir was created, and at about the same time the Gilevsky reservoir was created as a reserve of water for the city and our Alei became shallow. It used to be navigable - barges (mostly freight) went up and down, rafted the forest, and now you can sometimes wade through. Imagine supplying China (read the republics of Central Asia) with megatons of water. Will remain if a brook remains. Where is the excess water here?
  6. pafegosoff Offline pafegosoff
    pafegosoff (Arkhip Pafegosov) 11 January 2019 05: 34
    +2
    I repeat once again: spring flood - self-cleaning of the water system, spawning and other natural things, without which Russia. Here is the Aral Sea! If anyone agrees with the Chinese - at the Forefront of him!
  7. Verkhomnapule Offline Verkhomnapule
    Verkhomnapule (OLEG) 11 January 2019 05: 37
    +4
    Water scarcity forecasts play into Russia's hands. There will be one more financial resource. No pipes and channels, only "glasses" and more expensive good
  8. nikolaj1703 Offline nikolaj1703
    nikolaj1703 (Nikolai) 11 January 2019 08: 49
    -1

    We will sell water, gas, oil sold, instead of processing and obtaining the necessary carbon plastics and polymers. The flawed ruling group at the head of the country was brought to the "handle". It is necessary to change the banking system and the budgetary rules obliging to buy dollars. The Bank of Russia should be independent, not a branch of the US Federal Reserve.
  9. Acvila Offline Acvila
    Acvila (Svetlana Trubkina) 11 January 2019 11: 01
    +2
    Nothing is forever under the moon, and this topic, too. Once upon a time this project was already. But Soviet scientists rejected such an opportunity. If our wise government decides to get the Cold Desert in place of Western Siberia, then it will agree to such an agreement. We do not have excess Water in the Altai Territory. Moreover, on our rivers are hydroelectric power stations which are designed for ODA. amount of feed water. Water will leave - hello to hydroelectric power stations. And the wise Chinese decided to sell someone else's water (like Russia's forest to Europe) to the former Soviet republics of Central Asia. They actually have the Yellow River and the Yangtze with high water rivers, what is the question?
  10. Acvila Offline Acvila
    Acvila (Svetlana Trubkina) 11 January 2019 13: 25
    +2
    In my comments, the rating is 2, I would like to ask the appraisers: what are you guided by? I live in the Altai Territory. I know well the geography and history of the region. I consider the article to be a test ball of public opinion. Surely someone wants to heat on this paw. To the detriment of nature, and our land.
    1. Acvila Offline Acvila
      Acvila (Svetlana Trubkina) 11 January 2019 13: 41
      +1
      Should not have other opinions? Huh?
  11. Acvila Offline Acvila
    Acvila (Svetlana Trubkina) 11 January 2019 13: 42
    0
    Can I send a photo?
  12. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 11 January 2019 17: 22
    0
    Another delirium. "Breakthrough petsriotic"
    1. Acvila Offline Acvila
      Acvila (Svetlana Trubkina) 12 January 2019 06: 44
      +1
      Heads of Central Asian countries intend to resolve intra-regional issues

      During the meeting, water issues, issues of regional security and trade and economic relations were discussed. Nazarbayev dwelt on the advantages of holding such consultative summits, noting the importance of pooling the potential of Central Asian countries, increasing intra-regional trade, and ensuring regional security.

      Our states are 70 million people living here in the alignment of two large rivers - the Amu Darya and Syr Darya. Here we agreed that there could be no political bargaining there. We must jointly solve [problems] in the interests of all states. And hydraulic structures, and drainage, and [issues] of electricity, ”the President of Kazakhstan said.

      The presidents of the five countries also gathered in 2009 to discuss the problems of the Aral Sea again. However, the problems associated with the use of water resources in the region then did not find their solution. Kazakh President Nursultan Nazarbayev and Tajik President Emomali Rahmon have not missed any of these meetings.

      After voicing this problem at the summit in Astana, articles on this issue appear in our press, or rather on the Internet, but China is the interested person here. Between the lines Kazakhstan’s interest is so visible. And our neighbors from Semipalatinsk (now Semey) are already prepared. They say about the rivers of the Altai Territory: they lack water! To my question - you have Irtysh - in the city, build channels. In response, I get something unintelligible.
  13. Acvila Offline Acvila
    Acvila (Svetlana Trubkina) 12 January 2019 06: 59
    +2
    As for the question voiced in the article that

    Not everyone in the world benefits from China's economic growth. First of all, this is contrary to the interests of the United States. Of course, they will create obstacles for the implementation of the project.

    I do not care about US interests. I am interested in our land, the preservation of existing biocenoses, and the restoration of irrigated agriculture in Altai.
  14. Acvila Offline Acvila
    Acvila (Svetlana Trubkina) 15 January 2019 09: 21
    0
    The people, a link to the topic: The Great Chinese Water Pipeline: why China water from Altai
    https://www.rbc.ru/business/10/12/2018/5bf67ef69a79475447e3f597?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com%2F%3Ffrom%3Dspecial

    It is very interesting to read Wikipedia about the rivers of China and the Jiang-Uygur Autonomous Okrug, as well as about the Amu Darya and Syrdarya canals. There, as a result of human actions "ennobling" the landscape, now "great dry land" - dust storms with a taste of salt, and not rivers - streams, do not reach the Aral Sea. And the Irtysh "should not be touched, there will be a Northern desert of the Kara-Kum type" - the conclusion of scientists!