Volchansk or Kharkov: what kind of game did the Russian General Staff play with the Armed Forces of Ukraine?

78

As Sun Tzu argued in his great treatise on martial arts, war is the path of deception. And, apparently, the Russian General Staff has started such a dangerous game with its Ukrainian-NATO counterparts, but very promising in terms of possible results.

Expectations and Reality


After the failures of the first stage of the Northern Military District and the abandonment of vast territories by the Russian Armed Forces in the North, North-East and South of Ukraine, the domestic patriotic community demanded that the command open a second front.



The logic was simple and clear: the entry of Russian troops into the border Kharkov, Sumy and, possibly, Chernigov regions will not only ensure the protection of our “old” regions from artillery shelling of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, but will also force the Ukrainian General Staff to withdraw reserves from the rear, or even from the front line, which would simplify the Russian Armed Forces’ offensive operation to liberate Donbass. The key question was the amount of resources that our command could deploy in Slobozhanshchina and/or Chernihiv region.

And so, it seems, our expectations began to be translated into concrete events. First, in the Belgorod and Kursk regions bordering Nezalezhnaya, a separate group of the Russian Armed Forces called “North” was created. Its number, according to some sources, has increased to 50 thousand people. A few days ago she crossed the border, and battles began for the nearest settlements.

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in its official Telegram channel reported on achievements as of May 11, 2024 as follows:

As a result of offensive actions, units of the North group of troops liberated the settlements of Borisovka, Ogurtsovo, Pletenevka, Pylnaya and Strelechya in the Kharkov region. They defeated the manpower and technology The 23rd, 43rd mechanized brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the 120th, 125th technical defense brigades and the 15th border detachment of the Ukrainian border service in the areas of the settlements of Volchansk, Veseloye, Glubokoe, Neskuchnoe and Krasnoe in the Kharkov region.

That is, after the start of the Northern Military District, for the first time, the offensive actions of the Russian army intensified somewhere other than the Azov region, Donbass and the adjacent areas of the Kharkov region. This in itself is already pleasing, since it has clearly changed политическая focus on the local nature of the special operation. What will be next?

Cautious military experts name the city of Volchansk as the next target, while the bravest ones name Kharkov. And the answer to this question is fundamental! For the sake of interest, let’s once again see how they see our offensive from the enemy’s virtual trenches.

Volchansk or Kharkov?


The most popular point of view in the media regarding the Kharkov operation so far is that it is strictly limited in nature, with the goal of diverting the accumulated resources of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and even better, the most combat-ready units from the front line in the Donbass and Azov region.

Indeed, the opening of a second front in the North-East of Ukraine, and even near Kharkov, the second largest city, a major industrial center and the former capital of the Ukrainian SSR, will simply force the Ukrainian General Staff to react by sending troops there to block the advance of the Russian Armed Forces. They say that three lines of defense have already been built there, which is why our progress is progressing at a slow pace.

The key role in gnawing through its first line is played by aviation, dropping large-caliber attack guns on the positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. At the same time, observers note that the Russian Armed Forces are still operating with limited forces, despite the fact that the “North” group is estimated at 50 thousand people. Russian troops are applying pressure along the entire line of contact, probing the weakness. No one is clearly going anywhere, and rightly so.

Disgraced Ukrainian propagandist Alexey Arestovich, recognized in the Russian Federation as a terrorist and extremist, in his Telegram channel gives the following characteristics of the idea of ​​the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces:

In war, as in life, there are things that are better not to be given undue importance. For example, “breakthrough near Kharkov.” But the enemy IPSO + the hyper-narcissism of our beloved society, which turns every battle into the last, is not capable of such miracles.

The enemy’s main task is to turn Volchansk, for example, into another “Fortetsya”, and as soon as we move the reserves, which will go into the next “...epic” battle, to increase pressure in really important directions - Chasov Yar, Kupyansk-Borovaya, Konstantinovka. There was once such a thing in military science as “planned combat operations.”

If he is right, then our command wants to create a bridgehead near Kharkov, taking control of several settlements, strengthening them and then allowing the enemy to burn the most combat-ready units in an attempt to recapture them. Extremely reasonable, and it resembles what we ourselves proposed to do near Chernigov, liberating it and turning it into a permanent threat to the Ukrainian capital.

But there is another opinion expressed by his flock in the comments to the post of Mr. propagandist:

Russia's intentions are clearly visible. Capture Kharkov and part of Ukraine, and then make Kharkov the capital of this part of Ukraine, and tell everyone that this is the real Ukraine, and we recognize it and are not at war with it. And what remains near Kiev are nationalist gangs and not Ukraine. And vigorously promote this narrative in international organizations. Bingo! This already happened in the 20s and was successful. Russia is now repeating this scenario again.

It is interesting how this conclusion overlaps with those narratives, which we have been trying to consistently promote for the third year now about the need to transfer the Northern Military District back to the Civil War by creating a pro-Russian puppet state on the left bank of the Dnieper Anti-Ukraine, which would have waged the subsequent war of liberation for the rest of the territory of Independence.

If the last assumption is correct, then the liberation of Kharkov, which would become an alternative center of the pro-Russian post-war assembly to Kyiv, could have enormous military-political significance of a strategic nature. Then, during the gradually developing offensive, the most interesting turns are possible.

But this is not certain, and let the enemy rack his brains.
78 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. +1
    12 May 2024 11: 47
    ONLY the Russian General Staff will tell you what game the Russian General Staff is playing. and then 100 years after the secrecy stamp was lifted hi A relatively correct opinion can only be expressed by someone who graduated from the Russian General Staff Academy. but here they didn’t even get close. only swineherds from sums and costumed captains from a barbershop.
    1. 0
      12 May 2024 13: 33
      Jews are also propagandists))).
      1. L_L
        0
        12 May 2024 18: 55
        Yes, what a way of deception, again capturing bumps.
        They threw 50.000 on the 2.000.000th city.
        When they throw him over, you will be the first to shout that you always knew that this is not how they fight.
        Tina.
        1. +4
          12 May 2024 20: 15
          I think and have already written that there is no need to take Kharkov at all, the smart one won’t go up the mountain, the smart one will go around the mountain, there’s no need to take Kherson and Zaporozhye and Kyiv, you need to blockade them (previously it was called the siege of fortresses) if they don’t want to eat, they will outweigh the hunger themselves Banderaites and take away the keys to the city with bread and salt
          1. 0
            16 May 2024 15: 46
            A week later, Zelya loses legitimacy. Demolish along with the entire top - the end of the war. How many people will survive!
        2. 0
          13 May 2024 07: 35
          Two years ago, the population of Kharkov was just over a million. It's probably less now.
        3. 0
          13 May 2024 09: 45
          As before, they haven’t been fighting for a long time, so it’s not worth tearing your last shirt and hair on your ass over 50k versus 2m, especially since there’s not much left of these 2m, and when it comes to Kharkov, even less will remain. And not those times when all the women and children went to dig trenches and the men went to the militia. Of course, there are a lot of Slavs of Ukraine on the Internet, but in the shopping center there are not many people willing, the mated ones have run out. Of course, no one will come in with a parade step, but there’s no point in trying to apply WWII templates to the current situation.
    2. L_L
      -1
      18 May 2024 21: 48
      Volchansk or Kharkov: what kind of game did the Russian General Staff play with the Armed Forces of Ukraine?

      None.
      They just mumbled the offensive.
      The chief accountant again issued 40 for a city of 000.
  2. +4
    12 May 2024 12: 19
    We live in a time when the enemy brings to light cunning and cunning. And we have no choice but to follow his example. Or get ahead of him in your desires. It takes a long time to break a mountain. If she doesn't collapse on her own.
  3. -1
    12 May 2024 12: 41
    the domestic patriotic community demanded that the command open a second front

    Did this community at least tear the sofa away from the butt?
    1. -1
      12 May 2024 16: 03
      No. What for? It's convenient!
    2. 0
      13 May 2024 09: 08
      Certainly. this is the same society that replaced the sofa in ruins with a sofa in Russia. there were a lot of shots of them holding onto their wife’s skirt and crossing the Russian border
    3. -1
      13 May 2024 11: 05
      Did this community at least tear the sofa away from the butt?

      And this is written by a career officer of the Russian army, hiding from fulfilling his military duty to his Motherland in Belarus! good
      Aren't you ashamed yourself? No, no shame
      1. +1
        13 May 2024 11: 18
        Dear, I am flattered that you run after me along all the branches and try to pinch my private parts. But I dare to assure you that, due to my age and state of health, this does not bother me one bit. Good luck to you personally in the trenches!
        1. The comment was deleted.
  4. +3
    12 May 2024 13: 22
    and the abandonment of vast territories by the Russian Armed Forces in the North, North-East and South of Ukraine, the domestic patriotic community demanded that the command open a second front.

    This means that the patriotic public was right two years ago! But what about those who were shouting here: “If you’re so smart, why not in the trenches?” Well, what now, can the General Staff be sent into the trenches? Maybe they'll start to think faster?

    ... how much does this conclusion intersect with the narratives that we have been trying to consistently promote for the third year now about the need to transfer the North Military District back to the Civil War..

    And again. For three years now we’ve been talking, talking, talking, but it’s only just come to the authorities! It’s not for nothing that I constantly talk about education. All you have to do is “trade your homeland!” But you don’t need a lot of intelligence here. You just have to have no conscience!
    1. -1
      12 May 2024 20: 19
      firstly, the patriotic public (that is, me) is always right, but I don’t understand exactly what I’m right about?
  5. +3
    12 May 2024 14: 06
    We don’t know what the General Staff has planned. If luck favors our troops, then in 5-10 days the idea itself will emerge as a convolution of the front. The offensive options are generally known. Nothing fancy. They were described by Podolyaka. It is clear that Kharkov will not be stormed. Too many armed and trained troops are needed. Minimum option: push back the Ukrainian Armed Forces 15-20 km from the border. At the same time, the possibility of shelling Belgorod and the border area will be significantly reduced.
    The middle option is the same, but at the same time pin down the enemy’s reserves with attacking actions.
    And, finally, the maximum: we occupy Volchansk and advance with large forces along the left bank of the Seversky Donets, and then turning to Kupyansk we strive to encircle the enemy group.
    1. +3
      12 May 2024 15: 55
      For the third year now, from all the mouthpieces of the media, they have been telling us “noodles” about the ingenious strategy/tactics of “a thousand injections”, about the ingenious decision of the leadership about the possibility of waging a war with small forces. I don’t know about you, but looking at all this, I can’t help but wonder whether our ruling elite really needs our victory?
      1. -1
        12 May 2024 16: 05
        It depends on what you mean by “victory”. Victory, after all, is achieved in different ways. This is not always a “flag over Berlin”.
        1. +6
          12 May 2024 19: 38
          In the current situation, there can only be one victory - the complete destruction of Nazism and the return of Russian lands to Russia. Everything else is a strategic defeat.
          1. 0
            13 May 2024 13: 10
            the complete destruction of Nazism and the return of Russian lands to Russia

            Of this little. If you only do this (and this could have been done a long time ago), then this will be

            strategic defeat

            If this idea is not clear, I can explain it.
            1. 0
              13 May 2024 13: 29
              Vasily, it would be nice if you explained what goals you consider sufficient to achieve.
              1. -2
                13 May 2024 18: 37
                Oleg,

                look, military historians have a lot of debate about what “victory” is, but more or less everyone agrees that “a country won the war if the post-war world became better for it than the pre-war one" Let's dwell on this definition and consider the situation from its point of view.

                Let’s imagine that the Northern Military District ended with reaching the Polish border in May 2022 or 2023 (and even today). Everything is denazified, demilitarized, the hamsters squeal with delight... Let’s see what we have “on the scoreboard” in this case:

                1. head over heels in sanctions;
                2. the West is united against us as never before;
                3. NATO doubled its forces in eastern Europe and penetrated Scandinavia;
                4. We have a destroyed country on our hands that needs to be restored.

                Don’t you think it’s become significantly worse than it was before the SVO? And this is defeat! Have I convinced you?

                What do we want to achieve?

                I won’t make up any ad-libs here, I’ll just remind you of Russia’s official position, which is not hidden from anyone. Russia’s goal in this campaign is to establish a new security system, the contours of which were announced two months before the start of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization in the form of draft treaties (and the West had the opportunity to prevent bloodshed; it was enough to start negotiations in this direction).

                Here are these projects on the Ministry of Foreign Affairs website:

                - draft agreement between Russia and the USA - https://mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/rso/nato/1790818/
                - draft agreement between Russia and NATO - https://mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/rso/nato/1790803/

                By the way, the proposals (draft agreements) were officially sent and they are relevant, no one has withdrawn them, and everything will end with exactly this - negotiations and agreements based on those projects. Of course, during the negotiations, they can change a lot - that’s what negotiations are for.

                And yes, this is not a war with Ukraine. And the goals are much broader than Ukraine. And we will not negotiate with Ukraine. Ukraine simply got into trouble because of a great desire to curry favor with the “white masters.”
                1. +1
                  14 May 2024 09: 48
                  Basil,
                  It would be stupid to disagree with your conclusions that: we are up to our necks in sanctions; the West is united against us as never before; NATO has doubled down in eastern Europe and pushed into Scandinavia; We have a destroyed country on our hands that needs to be restored.
                  You are trying to build your opinion on the basis of other people’s conclusions, and they one way or another “work” in the interests of some specific structures, creating the necessary public opinion. Today everything is much more prosaic, simpler and at the same time scarier. The West and Russia are historical enemies, and Russia is enemy No. 1, since today it is the only one with a nuclear potential equal in power to the total arsenal of the West. Russia has traditionally stood on the path of Western globalization. And that is why the West needs to destroy Russia, they simply have no other choice. Today, what is at stake is not well-being, but existence itself. So, we actually have no choice - either we are them, or they are us.
                  Try to conduct your own analysis of what is happening, guided only by the criteria of expediency, the reasons that caused this or that action, in other words, evaluating events according to a simple principle: what, where, when, why and who benefits. It would be interesting to know what you assessed and the result of the assessment. I think your conclusions will be the same as mine.
                  1. 0
                    14 May 2024 12: 04
                    You know, there are two points. Firstly, I don’t know why you think that I am drawing conclusions from other people’s reasoning. I assure you that they have been published from our own. And secondly, it’s strange that you saw some difference in our views.

                    Here's a comparison of two quotes:

                    Of you:

                    Today, what is at stake is not well-being, but existence itself. So, we actually have no choice - either we are them, or they are us.

                    From my article back in 2014:

                    Russia will win... Why am I sure of this? Why don’t I allow the USA to win? Very simple. For the United States, this is just another base. For Russia, this is a “knife at the throat.” America can, of course, make some efforts and some sacrifices in order to achieve its goal, but only “some,” because For her, this is not a matter of survival at all. For Russia, this is a matter of life and death, and it will go to the end. Those. Russia will win simply because it is ready to “pay for victory” more than America.

                    Don't you think we're saying the same thing? That we are direct like-minded people?

                    Most likely, you simply did not understand me because it is very difficult to present the argumentation and justification in the answer format.

                    I regularly publish articles and can provide links. If you have any publications, please let me know and I'll take a look. Perhaps you and I will be interested in communicating and discussing the situation in a more convenient format on other platforms.
                    1. 0
                      14 May 2024 13: 22
                      Vasily, most likely we really don’t quite understand each other due to the format of communication. I would be very happy to communicate in any other format. I would be grateful if you really provide links to your publications. For now this is my mail [email protected]
                      1. 0
                        18 May 2024 16: 36
                        Sorry, I've been absent here for a few days. I sent you a letter. Topic: “Let’s get acquainted,” catch it (maybe it will go to spam)
                  2. 0
                    16 May 2024 16: 08
                    On their hands is a destroyed country - with a hostile population that harms, sabotages, organizes terrorist attacks and for this demands to feed them dumplings with sour cream
                2. 0
                  15 May 2024 19: 17
                  During the Great Patriotic War, the USSR defeated Germany, but the country was largely destroyed, people were starving and it was definitely worse than before the war. So this is not a victory for you?
                  As for the draft treaties, the West, roughly speaking, simply sent Russia far... ... far away.
                  1. 0
                    18 May 2024 16: 40
                    No, it was not “definitely worse than before the war.” A new world order was established, which guaranteed the country's free development. And the coming decades have demonstrated this. The country became a founding member of the UN with veto power, and before the war it was kicked out of the League of Nations. It certainly couldn’t have been worse for the country’s development. It was better.
      2. +10
        12 May 2024 18: 38
        Quote: bug120560
        For the third year now, from all the mouthpieces of the media, they have been telling us “noodles” about the ingenious strategy/tactics of “a thousand injections”, about the ingenious decision of the leadership about the possibility of waging a war with small forces. I don’t know about you, but looking at all this, I can’t help but wonder whether our ruling elite really needs our victory?

        you are right, they don’t need victory because they still don’t know what to do with it and the outskirts later, they need an agreement so that everything remains the same, but there is a place in the sun for the national bourgeoisie in the new marvelous multipolar world of the future to rob the Russians was allowed only to them, and not to any TNCs
    2. +6
      12 May 2024 22: 56
      I agree with you completely... Belgorodians have patience, the crests have gone completely wild...
    3. 0
      13 May 2024 09: 10
      If for the Ukrainian Podolyak there is nothing tricky in the plans of the General Staff of the Russian Federation, then why did his fellow tribesmen lose the counter-grunt?
  6. +6
    12 May 2024 15: 55
    No puppet state is needed. We need Russia, which will include the territory that is now called Ukraine. And the civil war is a war between Russians, which is generally true.
    1. +8
      12 May 2024 16: 07
      which will include the territory that is now called Ukraine

      Moreover, this territory should be called the “Little Russian” (or “Novorossiysk”) federal district, and in no case “Ukrainian”. This word should not be on the map of Russia.
      1. +7
        12 May 2024 18: 38
        Quote: Asper_Daffy
        This word should not be on the map of Russia.

        It shouldn't be anywhere.
  7. +3
    12 May 2024 16: 43
    what game did the Russian General Staff play with the Armed Forces of Ukraine?

    Maybe as a giveaway? So that it will be enough for 6 years, and during this time the commander-in-chief will finish building a dacha, by the sea, and live in it. It's still good after all. The army is advancing quietly, the police are dispersing either immigrants or oppositionists. What's the hurry?
  8. +2
    12 May 2024 17: 17
    What a game... They were just told to do something to stop the terror against Belgorod. So they are trying to portray a solution to the issue before they receive stronger kicks.
  9. 0
    12 May 2024 18: 21
    I don't think the Russians want to capture Kharkiv, they want the AFU to expend their soldiers and equipment thinking that they are defending a grand prize. Kharkiv will fall on its own when the AFU no longer has the manpower to use to defend it.
    1. -3
      12 May 2024 20: 10
      I support the great Kutuzov said:

      By leaving Moscow, we will save the army; by losing the army, we will lose Moscow and Russia

      Gerasimov, often criticized by armchair experts and the head of the General Staff, chose the same strategy, especially since we are talking about neo-Moscow, Kherson and several towns, and this is the key to victory.... Confucius also taught about this in the words of Lao Tzu

      If you want to catch something, let it go first (欲擒故縱 pinyin: yù qín gù zòng)
      The pressed enemy will still fight.
      An enemy who has ways to escape will not fight.
      You have to chase him without giving him a break,
      But without crowding him too much.
      When the enemy's forces are exhausted,
      His will to fight will disappear.
      When the enemy army disperses,
      She can be captured without even soaking her weapon in blood.

      The cornered prey makes one last desperate attack. To prevent this, you must allow the enemy to believe that he still has a chance to break free. His will to win will thus be weakened by the desire to take advantage of the opportunity of escape. When, in the end, it turns out that freedom was unattainable, his fighting spirit will be broken, and he will surrender without a fight.

      What about the ideas of the stupid ukrofashists who claim that there is a diversionary strike on Kharkov... I hope the General Staff of the Russian Federation itself does not know where the diversionary strike is and where the real strike is, because the General Staff of the Russian Federation should not follow stupid bureaucratic dogmas, orders, charters, plans, but must change its plans according to the situation , it will be more convenient to strike from the north, strike from the north, and if it is more convenient from the south, then from the south, or maybe from the west

      Make a noise in the east - attack in the west (聲東擊西 pinyin: shēng dōng jī xī)
      The spirit of the enemy and his ranks were in confusion.
      This is a favorable moment for a surprise attack.

      Objective: Concealing the direction of the main attack, the main goal or true interests.
      Application: Distraction or scattering of attention, deconcentration of forces and creation in the object’s consciousness of a false “picture of the world” through a deceptive maneuver, showing feigned interest in one to achieve something completely different, confusing the object with chaotic and/or quick actions in different directions, showing readiness to act when unprepared and vice versa, the “accidental” discovery of one’s own (feigned) weakness or feelings, the creation of new difficulties to distract the object from solving more pressing and real problems.
      Important: Self-control (in personal contact - certain acting skills), sometimes speed and pressure, attention to detail.
      Required: Good knowledge of the state of affairs and psychology of the object

      although I didn’t graduate from the General Staff Academy
      1. +2
        12 May 2024 20: 28
        there are a lot of books, but you don’t want to go to Belgorod and live there for a while, I’m not even talking about Donetsk, which has been under fire for almost 10 years, it’s good to quote all sorts of Chinese when you yourself are not under fire, it wouldn’t hurt to keep Putin closer to the front for a day, either, maybe then he moved instead of being ready to negotiate
        1. +1
          12 May 2024 20: 46
          I sympathize with the residents of Belgorod, especially after yesterday’s attacks, and I sympathize with the residents of Donbass, but the residents of Donbass in 2014 did not stand up as one in defense of their native land, and the residents of Belgorod, like all residents of Russia, did not stand up as one in defense of the Supreme Council RSFSR in October 1993 in Moscow, preferring to cowardly pour dirt on Yeltsin in the kitchens over vodka..... and now the Judases are also pouring dirt on Putin, and hypocritically Jesuitically reproach him that “he did not go his own way as a private,” unlike you Putin took responsibility for the entire country, and bears the heavy cross of responsibility, in 2000, 2014 and 2022, you forgot how Russians were slaughtered in Chechnya while you cowardly sat in the kitchens, and only one Person came out and said I take responsibility, then it was unknown how it would all end, it was a courageous act of the Leader

          and in 1937-1953 there were also Judas enemies of the people who tried to discredit the great IV Stalin, hypocritically shouting about their patriotism and blaming him for not going as a private, while his two sons fought and one died heroically, but they still carried and continue to carry dirt on the leader, creatures kitchen conversation, I think we need a new 1937
          your hypocritical trick has been exposed by me, you shed crocodile tears in favor of the poor in order to lead away from the essence of things, you are exposed, your masks are torn off, your guilt is obvious, if my name was Andrei Yanuarievich, then I would tell you exactly the same

          1. +2
            12 May 2024 23: 11
            don’t write nonsense, everyone remembers about Chechnya and everyone remembers who Eltsin’s head of the FSB was at the time when Russians were being slaughtered in Chechnya, don’t let your thoughts run wild here, but go to Belgorod and explain to people that Putin stands in defense of their lives and that they did not stand up as one, just like the Donetsk residents, to defend their land, which is why they are being destroyed. Once again - go to Belgorod and listen to what they say about philosophers like you
            1. -1
              13 May 2024 09: 22
              This “whistleblower” is a babble who insists on writing all sorts of nonsense during the holidays. The man did not wake up after drinking vodka
            2. 0
              13 May 2024 09: 38
              You never know what you or some other people say, do you think that if a light bulb burns out, then Putin is to blame? maybe he still has to screw in light bulbs for you or screw in your brains and also to all those people who “talk”, in the kitchens everyone is always “talking” something and usually not to the point and showing their stupidity, and everyone should mind their own business, the president is the one to rule and the people work and talk, don’t move bags, it would be better not to “talk”, but volunteer to defend the Motherland
              1. -1
                13 May 2024 13: 14
                how wonderfully you described yourself.

                Well, how are things going there? are you protecting?
  10. +4
    12 May 2024 18: 44
    Capture Kharkov and part of Ukraine, and then make Kharkov the capital of this part of Ukraine, and tell everyone that this is the real Ukraine, and we recognize it and are not at war with it.

    No Ukraine, only regions within Russia...
  11. +3
    12 May 2024 19: 27
    The mountain gave birth to a mouse, the expected attack on Kharkov became a trampling near five villages, with an advance of several kilometers per day. This is not an offensive, it is an imitation and nothing more. Conclusion: the entire SVO is similar to an imitation of military operations, with really large losses. It is clear that the Ukrainian losses are significant; why the Ukrainian losses are significant, given the existing superiority in everything, is no longer clear...
    1. -5
      12 May 2024 21: 17
      Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
      This is not an offensive, it is an imitation and nothing more.

      Go ahead and advance.
      1. +2
        12 May 2024 21: 48
        That's all you can say, weakly...
        1. 0
          13 May 2024 19: 17
          Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
          That's all you can say

          So are you going or not?
          1. 0
            13 May 2024 20: 23
            He served his time, and today he is old enough. Here's how it is with you, what problems are getting in the way.
            1. 0
              13 May 2024 22: 28
              Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
              He served his time, and today he is old enough.

              Well, you are so experienced, you know how to do it, so show it to the young people.
              1. +1
                14 May 2024 10: 56
                Tell me about yourself, why you are here on the forum, and not on the SVO, as it follows from your statements. A question for you: why are you not at SVO? From Israel, it looks like you have other interests.
                1. 0
                  14 May 2024 20: 05
                  Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
                  Tell me about yourself, why are you here on the forum and not on the SVO?

                  So it’s me who demands that our people go crazy just faster? If you are so smart, go and show it. From Israel, it looks like you have other interests.
                  1. 0
                    14 May 2024 20: 22
                    There is a word strategy, you don’t seem to know it, that’s what we were talking about.
                    1. 0
                      14 May 2024 20: 38
                      Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
                      There is a word strategy, it seems you don’t know it

                      And there are also words

                      development of military equipment.

                      Why dashing breakthroughs have become impossible in our time has been discussed a million times.
                      1. 0
                        14 May 2024 20: 53
                        Again, you don’t understand the word strategy, it’s more comprehensive. It takes a lot of time to explain. will take.
                      2. 0
                        14 May 2024 22: 55
                        Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
                        It takes a lot of time to explain. will take.

                        That is, there is nothing to say.
                      3. +1
                        14 May 2024 23: 04
                        To you, yes, because I don’t see the interlocutor, only the provocateur.
                      4. 0
                        14 May 2024 23: 13
                        Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
                        To you, yes, because

                        I can't chat.
                      5. 0
                        16 May 2024 18: 26
                        Could you explain in more detail what you think is the strategy in relation to the fighting in Ukraine? Personally, for example, I believe that today the tactics of the General Staff, built on the principle of taking things slowly and with small forces, are already becoming criminal.
                      6. 0
                        16 May 2024 19: 27
                        Quote: bug120560
                        Personally, for example, I believe that today the tactics of the General Staff, built on the principle of taking things slowly and with small forces, are already becoming criminal.

                        I don’t remember how many times it was explained that with the current level of development of reconnaissance means (both from space and conventional UAVs), as well as high-precision and long-range weapons, one cannot dream of any dashing breakthroughs. In WWII, there were dashing breakthroughs only because it was possible, unnoticed by the enemy, to assemble a powerful tank fist and, with the blow of this fist, break through the defense, suffering more or less acceptable losses. A positional deadlock arises not because the generals are stupid, but because these are the technical characteristics of the weapons with which armies fight. This is how it was in WWII and this is how things are now.
                        Or, as an option, simply fill the enemy with corpses, which is what the Ukrainian Armed Forces practice. The first time they succeeded because we did not have a normal defense built, the second time they were simply crushed by artillery and aviation.
                      7. 0
                        17 May 2024 00: 18
                        To understand the strategy, I will give examples from WWII. The Germans, as the best military tacticians and strategists, did not climb into heavily fortified positions, but looked for weak directions, advanced, leaving fortified areas in the rear. Let us remember the capture of Kyiv with the powerful Urs - the Germans bypassed from the north and the Urs became useless. that's the point of strategy. Today, the Northern Military District, a strategy in wedges in important directions, flowing around Ura of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - this is what today’s strategy should be, bypassing powerful fortifications, leaving in the rear. Moreover, the tactics are modern, without mass, but the main efforts are concentrated on the necessary wedges. Today the attack is on fortified positions with huge losses and months of bloody fighting. It is necessary to bypass with breakthroughs, then the Ukrainian Armed Forces themselves will abandon these fortifications...
                      8. 0
                        17 May 2024 18: 27
                        Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
                        Let us remember the capture of Kyiv with powerful Urami - the Germans bypassed from the north and

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        I don’t remember how many times it was explained that with the current level of development of reconnaissance means (both from space and conventional UAVs), as well as high-precision and long-range weapons, one cannot dream of any dashing breakthroughs. In WWII, there were dashing breakthroughs only because it was possible, unnoticed by the enemy, to assemble a powerful tank fist and, with the blow of this fist, break through the defense, suffering more or less acceptable losses.
                      9. 0
                        17 May 2024 08: 21
                        Sorry, but you are once again repeating exactly the nonsense that is being “blown into our ears” through the official media. Yes, technological progress does not stand still, intelligence has new and effective means of control, but no one has canceled such simple means as camouflage and disinformation of the enemy.
                        As an example for you to understand: two echelons leave the places of constant concentration of troops and move in different directions; on the platforms of both echelons there are exactly the same boxes, some contain equipment, others have mock-ups. Upon arrival at the site, unloading takes place, normal dispersal occurs, and everything is camouflaged. So what will space or aerial reconnaissance see in this case? I in no way claim the genius of my judgments and am not going to accuse the military leadership of being unprofessional, but at the same time I remember very well the words of my mentor, spoken a very long time ago: when analyzing events, be guided by a simple principle, proceed from the fact that if something happens, as it happens, it means that someone needs it.
                      10. 0
                        17 May 2024 18: 29
                        Quote: bug120560
                        As an example for you to understand: two echelons emerge from places of constant concentration of troops and move in different directions; on the platforms of both echelons there are exactly the same boxes, some contain equipment, others have mock-ups.

                        Self-propelled tank models? Hmm...
                      11. The comment was deleted.
                      12. The comment was deleted.
                      13. 0
                        17 May 2024 20: 46
                        It seemed to me that I was conducting a dialogue with a person who was interested in the topic of what was happening, and you were just stupidly writing nonsense. Read the literature about camouflage means that are designed for use in such cases.
                      14. 0
                        17 May 2024 21: 07
                        Well, in general, I don’t think that our officers have something solid instead of a brain that cannot be named. Yes, and camouflage is being studied in military institutions. I don’t know what’s being done. If it is done, then it is a secret, just like the enemy’s. Well, I'm also for layouts and camouflage matters. We'll find out after the war. Perhaps not everything. Well, the fact that in the troops something is often done at random is what happens inside us.
                      15. 0
                        17 May 2024 21: 14
                        I wrote to one very zealous comrade here, but I’ll repeat it again. Once a very professional law enforcement officer told me - when analyzing events, be guided by a simple principle, proceed from the fact that if something happens, as it happens, then someone needs it. So think about why the SVO is going the way it is? Sometimes it seems to me that his goals voiced for us do not coincide with the actual goals of our “elites”.
                      16. 0
                        17 May 2024 21: 28
                        We were simply not ready for war in 2024, which is what our leadership whispers through clenched teeth. And this is still echoing to this day, which is why the SVO is creeping quite slowly. There was a serious lack of weapons and tactics in the minds of the military. There is a shortage of officers. And the proposals for Istanbul at one time were beneficial to everyone, both Russia and Ukraine. Crimea is ours. Donbass is in question, but not in Russia. If Ukraine had not fallen under the West, there would have been no war. The NWO would end, the borders would be determined and that would be it. All the billionaires are with us and with them. But the GDP was abandoned, which caused recognition of Donbass and the South. And the elites lost a lot, especially the pro-Western ones. Serves them right, but our people are being killed. That is the question. And then there’s the use of tactical nuclear weapons “no way”. Although this is a lifesaver that would save tens of thousands of our lives and, oddly enough, even Ukrainian ones.
                      17. 0
                        17 May 2024 22: 11
                        Quote: bug120560
                        When analyzing events, be guided by a simple principle, proceed from the fact that if something happens, as it happens, then someone needs it. So think about why the SVO is going the way it is?

                        Didn’t this friend of yours tell you that war is not a one-way game, and that the other side doesn’t sit idly by either? It’s only in fairy tales that you just have to come up with a wonderful plan and everything will come true. This doesn't happen in life.

                        It usually turns out that out of three possible courses of action, the enemy chose the fourth

                        No operational plan can definitely foresee the development of events that will occur after the first impact

                        Quote: bug120560
                        Read the literature about camouflage means that are designed for use in such cases.

                        Do you really believe that it is possible to disguise the concentration of several tens of thousands (at least) of people with all the equipment? Yes, you can disguise exactly where certain warehouses, artillery positions, etc. are located, but the concentration of forces itself will be known.
                      18. 0
                        18 May 2024 16: 20
                        Sorry, but this is the first time I’ve met a person who is not only ignorant, but also displays his ignorance for everyone to see. To stop our useless discussion, I’m telling you, I don’t know why (stupidity or simply lack of desire) you didn’t even understand the meaning of the recommendation regarding the grounds for analysis, and about camouflage - except that camouflage is not always hiding an object on for a long time, the offensive of a group of our troops in the Kharkov region, with the enemy completely not understanding what will happen next for you to understand why camouflage and disinformation of the enemy is needed.
                      19. 0
                        18 May 2024 17: 38
                        Quote: bug120560
                        Sorry, but this is the first time I’ve met a person who is not only ignorant, but also displays his ignorance for everyone to see.

                        Self-critical.

                        Quote: bug120560
                        the offensive of a group of our troops in the Kharkov region, with the enemy completely not understanding what will happen next

                        is explained by the fact that there are several paths (both in the sense of logistics, that is, along which it is physically possible to attack, and in the sense of strategy, that is, along which it makes sense to attack) along which an offensive can proceed. The factor of surprise also worked, when “an attack is no longer expected,” since the enemy is still standing and standing.
                        As for camouflage, the enemy knew very well about our group, its approximate size, location, etc. The other side wrote about this a few months ago.
  12. 0
    12 May 2024 21: 43
    Well, with a small contract army, to have a long front... but the devil knows, I would straighten the border and reduce its length + bridges across the Dnieper, or at least part of them.
  13. +1
    12 May 2024 21: 44
    And as for Chernigov, well, they would have done it in the forehead and no flank coverage.
  14. 0
    13 May 2024 01: 46
    If someone you greatly admire and respect is deep in thought, it's likely they're thinking about lunch.

    Murphy's Laws
    but the photo is good
  15. +2
    13 May 2024 10: 48
    You won't guess. Neither Volchansk nor Kharkov, this is an attack on Kyiv, through Lvov. Yes, albeit not directly, but at least they misled the enemy