Why did Russia give China strategic technology to its own detriment?

Свежие news from an emerging traditional rubric entitled “How Russia Gives China Its Technology". Beijing has made a technological breakthrough in the production of turbine blades for turbine power plants with the help of the United Engine Corporation. What does this threaten, and what will Moscow give to China next time?




Ранее we toldWith what pomp the representatives of Energomash NGOs announced a “breakthrough” in negotiations with Chinese partners. Those were able to persuade Russian colleagues to transfer to them the technology of manufacturing powerful rocket engines.

Recall that China is striving forward in independent space exploration, is building its own orbital station, and the Celestial Empire needs a heavy carrier rocket. Converging in price, Russian officials from outer space shook hands with the Chinese. Instead of selling ready-made engines to China, loading its own industry, Roscosmos gives technology itself to a direct rival, which has a lot of competitive advantages over it.

How now have our authorities helped the Middle Kingdom?

Despite the huge industrial industry, China lagged behind the advanced countries in some areas. In particular, the Chinese were not able to independently master the production of high-power gas turbines, similar products of Siemens, Mitsubishi or General Electric. The catch was in obtaining superalloys suitable for the blades of powerful gas turbines. The Germans, Japanese and Americans for some reason did not transfer their strategic technologies to competitors. But not Russia, a "generous soul."

The Chinese need powerful power plants for installation on type 055 destroyers under construction. Four such warships already stand on the stocks of their shipyards. Beijing plans to create a navy capable of competing with the US and others. Chinese military expert Jie explains:

The original gas turbines used on type 055 destroyers are not as powerful as the engines used by the Arly Burke destroyers. But the gap between Chinese warships and their American counterparts will narrow when China overcomes the main technological gap.


Now, thanks to the help of the Russians, the Celestial Empire will receive ultra-modern ship engines. Why is it not joyful in the soul? Probably because our country has lost another potential market. It was entirely possible, instead of transferring production technology, to sell final products in the form of power plants or their components. But the momentary gain turned out to be more important in the eyes of decision makers.

And then something incomprehensible begins in general. Remember, most recently our last aircraft carrier nearly drowned due to the fact that some people had “hands growing out of the wrong place”? So, some sources report:

Russia needs China to help modernize the only aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov.


Can you imagine? They justify this by saying that Kuznetsov was made according to the same project as the former Soviet Varyag converted into Liaoning. One must think that in the future, the Chinese will supply and service power plants on Russian ships and rocket engines.

Regarding technology transfer, I would like to say the following. Their transfer is permissible from a stronger power to a weaker one, and then, you can give not advanced, but already obsolete. And what is happening now looks like an accelerated sale of the remnants of scientific and technological achievements to a competitor. At the same time, it does not smell of new technological breakthroughs.
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  1. Nikolay Tutynin Offline Nikolay Tutynin
    Nikolay Tutynin (Nikolai Tutynin) 28 December 2018 11: 21
    +4
    Abram, are you so sad?
    - I dreamed that I sold the Motherland.
    - Do not be sad, it was just a dream?
    “It’s bad anyway,” he cheapened ...
    1. hydrox Offline hydrox
      hydrox (hydrox) 29 December 2018 09: 00
      +5
      What an integral joke, and in general, and in particular. He approaches the entire leadership of Russia, and the Government, for making such a decision in the direction of the PRC, and Putin, for endorsing the permission for this deal.
      Question: who will sign the execution list for ALL liberoids? Who is messed up in Russia's global betrayal, expressed in the destruction of scientific and technological potential and know-how?
      Those who withdrew funds - okay, they will serve, but share (reprivatize), but these "turbinists" - only to the wall !! ;-))
      1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
        A.Lex (Secret information) 29 December 2018 10: 56
        +4
        Hmm .... Do you think why the popularity of the USSR and regret about its collapse is constantly growing?
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    2. Yuri Nikonov Offline Yuri Nikonov
      Yuri Nikonov (yuri) 29 December 2018 10: 48
      +3
      so Serdyukov was not in vain arranged for a job there, after the scandal in the Moscow Region.
  2. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 28 December 2018 12: 24
    0
    If ours could make engines themselves quickly, they would.
    And so, Ukraine "suddenly" (ha) did not put engines on the ships that were built - they had to sell to India.
    And the Chinese on our frigates / corvettes (?) Often break.
    China will quickly master - and deliver to us.
    1. hydrox Offline hydrox
      hydrox (hydrox) 29 December 2018 09: 03
      +2
      He will not deliver, because he will not master it. The Chinese are still purchasing our engines on their fighters. Their engines have an extremely low resource, although the other TTXs are completely inconsequential.
    2. Yuri Nikonov Offline Yuri Nikonov
      Yuri Nikonov (yuri) 29 December 2018 10: 56
      +2
      If ours could make engines fast themselves, they would do

      a couple of proverbs immediately come to mind: "there is no word I can not, I do not want to have two words and I am afraid" and "my eyes are afraid - my hands do it." therefore, according to the first proverb, ours rather do not want to do, because there is nothing to be afraid of.
  3. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 28 December 2018 13: 52
    +2
    Quote: Sergey Latyshev
    If ours could make engines fast themselves, they would do

    Is not a fact. Not all that ours can do, they do.
  4. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 28 December 2018 13: 54
    +2
    Quote: Sergey Latyshev
    And so Ukraine "suddenly" (ha) didn’t put engines on the built ships, it had to be sold to India.
    And the Chinese on our frigates / corvettes (?) Often break.
    China will quickly master - and deliver to us.

    Hooray, let's depend on China. See your message that Ukraine did not install engines. But what if China refuses when it is needed?
    You really have porridge in your head.
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  5. gorbunov.vladisl (Vlad Dudnik) 29 December 2018 05: 40
    +3
    What does it threaten ....

    Nothing. crying
    As an example. At one time, China was given the full technical documentation for the production of AK-47. And what? Yes, they compete with us in the global small arms market ... but mainly due to price. The quality of Chinese machine guns sucks. Many times worse than ours.
    And the production of rocket engines is several orders of magnitude more complicated than the production of Kalashnikovs.
    Yes, they will do them with our prompts. But I doubt that Chinese products will have the same characteristics as ours.
    Let's look at the situation a little wider.
    People, how many of you have seen a REAL Chinese? Not that as a tourist travels around the world. And not what TV shows in a tie and suit. And the one who is the one and a half billion China.
    The Chinese are able to understand (thoroughly) and work at the level of world achievements, in fact, the cat cried. no more than Muscovites within the Garden Ring.
    But these products must not only be created, but also exploited.
    1. hydrox Offline hydrox
      hydrox (hydrox) 29 December 2018 09: 12
      +3
      The full technical documentation never contains the grades of materials used in products and the parameters of technological processes used in production, which allows keeping know-how.
      Chinese AK quite decently ate 2 stores, and after that they began to "spit", while the Chinese barrel, heated by shooting to a dark red color, did not restore its properties after cooling, but the Izhevsk one did.
      That is why you need to carefully consider ALL the nuances of technology transfer.
      1. gorbunov.vladisl (Vlad Dudnik) 29 December 2018 17: 25
        +1
        ...never...

        Never say never.
        You and I are not being told what kind of documentation is being sent "there". And what it contains.
        Under the USSR, while still friends, a lot of things were passed on to China. Among other things, the production of strategic bombers was established there. With all the materials. yes
    2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 29 December 2018 10: 26
      +2
      Vlad, the problem is different ... The fact that "ours" are ready to sell domestic products wholesale and retail ... That's what is sad ...
      1. gorbunov.vladisl (Vlad Dudnik) 29 December 2018 17: 16
        +1
        ... "ours" are ready to sell ...

        I will tell you a "terrible" secret. lol You will not believe it, but many developed countries trade in technology. yes
        For a modern aviation and rocket engine, a lot of what is needed, and not just turbine blades.
    3. Oleg9999 Offline Oleg9999
      Oleg9999 (Oleg) 1 January 2019 23: 56
      0
      I saw, however, within the TTK.
  6. steelmaker Online steelmaker
    steelmaker 29 December 2018 10: 46
    +1
    I ask one pensioner who constantly scolds the authorities and the government: “Why did you vote for Putin? Answer:“ And there is no one else! ”We will never live well!
    1. gorbunov.vladisl (Vlad Dudnik) 29 December 2018 17: 19
      -1
      We will never live well!

      It happens... crying I'm so sorry. lol
      We live well. good
  7. maratkoRuEkb Offline maratkoRuEkb
    maratkoRuEkb (Marat) 29 December 2018 11: 37
    0
    I can’t find something sensible in Yandex on this topic. Can I have proofs under comment ??
  8. Bravo22 Offline Bravo22
    Bravo22 (Vladimir) 30 December 2018 07: 54
    +1
    The USSR had tremendous experience in the development of the state in the context of world sanctions. Economists and politicians have used various domestic resources of the country to found and develop entire types of industries and sectors of the economy. But economists and technologists of that time are still alive, and their experience would be more welcome than ever. And it’s time to write off all these Grefs and Chubais, like hamsters who have been hickey, unable to carry out their tasks
    1. Oleg9999 Offline Oleg9999
      Oleg9999 (Oleg) 2 January 2019 00: 00
      -1
      In memorable times, they generally lived in subsistence farming. How far has the USSR gone?
      Well, there was no meat, so there was a lot of sauerkraut.