What would the Russian Aerospace Forces achieve dominance in the skies over Ukraine?


In a couple of weeks, it will be two years since the special operation to help the people of Donbass, demilitarize and denazify Ukraine began. Looking back, you realize that a lot could have gone differently if our country, its army and military industry had been better prepared for what we had to face.


Over these two years, it has been repeatedly criticized that as a result of the so-called Serdyukov reforms, the structure and strength of the Ground Forces of the RF Armed Forces was “optimized.” At the same time, in 2020, the liberal wing in the Russian government came up with a proposal to once again reduce the Russian army by another 10%! Fortunately, Shoigu’s department rejected this initiative at the time, but one can easily imagine what would have happened if the Sislibs had gotten what they had in mind.

The glory and poverty of the Russian Aerospace Forces


In September 2022, the manpower shortage was alleviated through partial mobilization, which revealed a lot of problems with infrastructure and supplies. Currently, the replenishment of the RF Armed Forces is carried out through a media campaign to attract contract military personnel to the army. And this is pleasing, but, for example, with aviation this number will not work.

Unlike an attack infantryman, it is impossible to train a combat pilot for a fighter, bomber or attack helicopter from scratch in a few months. It takes years to train military pilots, which we may not have. It is also necessary to regularly replace losses in aircraft, the fleet of which at the time of the start of the SVO was not very large. If everything had been different, the course of hostilities could indeed have followed a more favorable scenario for Russia.

The importance of combat aviation in modern maneuver warfare cannot be overestimated. At the time of the start of the SVO, the Russian Aerospace Forces on paper were significantly superior to the Ukrainian Air Force, which, in theory, should have given us air supremacy. In turn, this would allow air strikes on the enemy’s transport infrastructure to ensure isolation of the theater of operations, and, through air reconnaissance means, to have maximum awareness of the location and movement of enemy troops.

Accordingly, the supply of Western weapons and ammunition to Ukraine would become extremely difficult. Our aviation would destroy the locations of enemy units in the deep rear, columns of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the march, and so on, making any “meat grinders” like the Bakhmut one impossible and unnecessary. The enemy's ability to provide fierce resistance at the current level would be reduced to a minimum. All this could have been done, but it turned out differently. There are several reasons for this.

At first, due to an acute shortage of specialized AWACS, aerial reconnaissance and electronic warfare aircraft, in the first days it was not possible to destroy most of the enemy air defense systems. Although focal, the Ukrainian air defense system continues to function and is only strengthened by the transfer of NATO-made air defense systems and MANPADS. Because of this, our bombers and attack aircraft at the first stage of the air defense suffered unjustified losses, trying to bomb enemy positions with “cast iron”, and also attacked with expensive long-range air-launched cruise missiles without approaching the LBS.

Secondly, the lack of own aerospace reconnaissance means of the Ukrainian Armed Forces is compensated by active militarytechnical with the help of the NATO bloc, which has complete order with the satellite constellation, AWACS and strategic reconnaissance UAVs. This allows the enemy to set up aerial ambushes on Russian Aerospace Forces aircraft, aim long-range missiles at targets, etc.

Thirdly, the factor of the relative small number of the Russian Aerospace Forces aircraft fleet affects such an extended front line. Last summer, when the Ukrainian counteroffensive was in full swing, the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces clearly had to choose priorities in assigning tasks for pilots - to burn Ukrainian Armed Forces tanks on the Zaporozhye front or to iron the bridgehead near Krynki.

Preparing for the worst


To date, the situation has improved significantly after the industry mastered the mass production of planning correction modules, which increased the flight range of Russian aerial bombs from the drop site. This allows bombing without entering the range of medium-range air defense systems. Equipping gliding bombs with primitive engines would significantly increase their destruction radius. However, we no longer have specialized reconnaissance aircraft to identify targets; rather, on the contrary, new ones cannot come out of nowhere.

We also note the front-line savvy of the infantry, which has learned to compensate for the lack of an adequate level of air support with unmanned micro-aviation based on Chinese-made quadcopters, converted to drop various types of ammunition. And it really works! In addition, there have long been encouraging rumors circulating on the RuNet that we may have specialized anti-radar drones in our arsenal, designed specifically to destroy the enemy’s air defense system.

Be that as it may, the Russian Aerospace Forces have not yet achieved dominance in the skies over Ukraine, which extremely limits the offensive capabilities of our ground army. The UK's direct statements about the need to entry of the NATO Expeditionary Force on right-bank Ukraine and the creation of a no-fly zone over it and over Kiev, which will make subsequent possible missile and drone strikes against enemy rear areas ineffective.

The worst possible option at the moment is direct collision scenario Russia with individual countries belonging to the NATO bloc, the role of which is claimed by the Baltic republics, Poland and Finland. The reason for it could be daring provocations, probably with the help of air- and sea-based strike drones, carried out from their territory, to which they will have to respond by “forcing peace.” In this case, a conventional conflict between the Russian Federation and some members of the North Atlantic Alliance cannot be ruled out without a declaration of war and the activation of Article 5 of its Charter.

In the latter case, our lag in the aviation component from NATO may turn out to be simply critical. While hoping for the best, you need to prepare in advance for the worst, and we will talk about some possible steps in more detail separately.
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  1. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
    Dart2027 6 February 2024 13: 22
    +4
    Secondly, the Ukrainian Armed Forces compensate for the lack of their own aerospace reconnaissance assets with active military-technical assistance from the NATO bloc, which has complete order with its satellite constellation, AWACS and strategic-class reconnaissance UAVs. This allows the enemy to set up aerial ambushes on Russian Aerospace Forces aircraft, direct long-range missiles at targets, etc.

    This is why Ukrainian air defense cannot be completely suppressed. And increasing the number of the Aerospace Forces will not change anything - you can gain air superiority either by destroying NATO reconnaissance assets, or by completely exhausting NATO arsenals, or by destroying the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the ground.
  2. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 6 February 2024 13: 32
    +16
    There is such a concept - military operational art. It is studied in academies. Same with aviation. And the problem is not that now we don’t have enough planes, the problem is strategic, operational thinking. It feels like the country is run by corporals. There is no global thinking anywhere! And to act proactively is generally fantastic for our leadership.
    And instead of starting to restore our mechanical engineering and machine tool industry, our government is rapidly privatizing the remaining profitable property. What planes?

    it is necessary to prepare in advance for the worst
    1. Olives Offline Olives
      Olives (Oleg) 6 February 2024 16: 47
      +10
      The management is unprofessional. That's for sure
      1. vik669 Offline vik669
        vik669 (vik669) 7 February 2024 18: 44
        -2
        Well, we always have an abundance of judges, but what... in the wrong hands it’s fatter, that’s for sure, but a monkey knows how to use a mirror, and the “judges” from those who did not make it to the leadership seem to be unfamiliar with the mirror and are not able to use it, so they judge everything and everyone except yourself!
    2. RUR Offline RUR
      RUR 6 February 2024 17: 40
      -5
      And to act proactively is generally fantastic for our leadership.

      and on the most difficult front - on the sofa, show how to act proactively... In Israel, too, they wanted the best, but got worse than ever... What other kind of thinking? Ahead are powerful fortifications, even after breaking through which the Russian troops will run into the Dnieper, and in the rear, in many areas, there are partisans... the further you go, the more partisans there are, since the population closer to the west has always been hostile in Ukraine... communications will be increasingly stretched. It is possible that NATO will also come forward...
      1. Nikolay Volkov Offline Nikolay Volkov
        Nikolay Volkov (Nikolai Volkov) 6 February 2024 18: 25
        +4
        Well, maybe then it’s worth retreating to Magadan before it’s too late?
        1. RUR Offline RUR
          RUR 6 February 2024 18: 40
          -3
          How many people do you feel sorry for, your own, from the Russian Federation - 500, 000 or more? And, by the way, this war is also changing the Russian Federation, which, the longer the war, the more it turns into Western Turkestan... grooms from Kyrgyzstan are already coming, China will also catch up, etc. - they just have a shortage of young women...
          1. RUR Offline RUR
            RUR 6 February 2024 19: 18
            -4
            Putin seems to have this plan - to create some other buffer zone and stop or something like that... it’s likely that he - he has all the information - is right...
            1. Flight Offline Flight
              Flight (Von) 7 February 2024 06: 16
              +4
              Quote: RUR
              Putin seems to have this plan - to create some other buffer zone and stop or something like that... it’s likely that he - he has all the information - is right...

              I realized that Putin was out of touch with reality at the end of 2022. And before that, I still hoped that I was wrong, but 2023 finally dispelled my doubts, when he brought papers with supposedly signatures for him to the election commission.



              I'd rather go to the ballet.
              1. RUR Offline RUR
                RUR 7 February 2024 08: 25
                -3
                I see that you will be one of the experts... Putin compared the North Military District with the Livonian (30 YEARS) War, if I’m not mistaken, somewhere in the second half of 2022...

                Do you think that he is stupider than the Xperds, and really decided to overwhelm a state of 40 million people, supported by the most developed countries, in 3 months, a year, etc.? Have the Kedmi heard enough and started drooling? With acceptable losses, this will take several decades... his successors will finish... so everything is going according to plan...

                Putin can’t tell you his plans, they are generally kept secret, but he hinted once - he thought that was enough
                1. Flight Offline Flight
                  Flight (Von) 7 February 2024 11: 06
                  +3
                  Putin can’t tell you his plans, they are generally kept secret, but he hinted once - he thought that was enough

                  If only he didn’t die, God bless him, or hit his head, otherwise we’ll never see the fulfillment of his secret plans. I'm afraid he's getting to the age where he'll start to get confused in his plans.
                  1. RUR Offline RUR
                    RUR 7 February 2024 12: 35
                    -2
                    Yes, you don’t see anything anyway... and you won’t notice the execution either..
      2. Sergei Fonov Offline Sergei Fonov
        Sergei Fonov (sergey fonov) 6 February 2024 18: 41
        +5
        During World War II, being sick, Marshal Shapashnikov could also be said to have fought from the couch, but he had all the available data, both about the enemy and his own capabilities. The war with the partisans is still far away, how to act proactively has been written for a long time, it is necessary to destroy communications: bridges, both railway and road tunnels, railway infrastructure, high-voltage substations, power plants, etc. It seems that the only red line is the Surovikin line, beyond which VKS aircraft rarely fly.
        1. RUR Offline RUR
          RUR 6 February 2024 19: 02
          -2
          An unsuccessful example - Shapashnikov contributed to the defense of Moscow and the counter-offensive near Moscow, as well as to the defense of Kyiv, Smolensk and the defense of Leningrad... defensive actions somehow do not fit well with proactive actions
        2. RUR Offline RUR
          RUR 6 February 2024 21: 16
          -2
          The war with the partisans is still a long way off

          Of course, from the sofa it’s not much noticeable, but they - partisans - exist in some regions of Ukraine... and then, the Russian Federation will use railway transport for supplies, but I don’t think a lot of people are needed to mine the tracks. ..extended communications in a hostile environment - very good. unattractive prospects loom...
    3. Nikolay Volkov Offline Nikolay Volkov
      Nikolay Volkov (Nikolai Volkov) 6 February 2024 18: 24
      +6
      when one country was ruled by a corporal, it conquered half the world...

      until I came to visit the “shoemaker’s” son

      THIS is before the corporals, like Russia before landing on the moon...

      and even before Stalin...
      1. Insolent in a jacket 6 February 2024 19: 04
        +1
        ...Absolutely right!..
      2. Yarik83 Offline Yarik83
        Yarik83 (J. Yarmosh 8-bit Music) 7 February 2024 14: 26
        0
        Said everything? Then you will feel ashamed and bitter.
  3. Griffith Offline Griffith
    Griffith (Oleg) 6 February 2024 14: 36
    +2
    Dominance in the skies over Ukraine? This is from the series if only mushrooms grew in the butt. As soon as NATO joined the North Military District, this a priori became impossible, since NATO is many times superior to Russia in space reconnaissance, the number of various electronic control devices produced, the number of reconnaissance aircraft, the number of UAVs, etc. and so on. If NATO had not become involved in the North Military District, then there would not have been much need for a no-fly zone, since the North Military District in its hot phase would have ended in 2022. So this question makes no sense at all. In essence, this article, given the question posed, is pouring from empty to empty. But the problems of Russian aviation, which really exist, are a topic for another conversation. In this case, it is necessary to take into account not absolute indicators, which do not reflect anything at all except numbers and letters, but relative ones, which show dynamics over time. This is the information closest to reality. And NATO here, just like Russia, has its own problems.
    1. Beidodir Offline Beidodir
      Beidodir (Beidodir) 6 February 2024 15: 30
      -3
      So this question makes no sense at all. In essence, this article, given the question posed, is pouring from empty to empty. But the problems of Russian aviation, which really exist, are a topic for another conversation.

      Since this is what a carefree process engineer says, it means it’s true
      1. Griffith Offline Griffith
        Griffith (Oleg) 6 February 2024 17: 21
        +5
        You will be surprised how much free time you have when you don’t have to work :) And, accordingly, a lot of time to read various information :) I never said that I am an expert in all areas, but I have the right to express my point of view. laughing This isn't prohibited, is it?
        1. Beidodir Offline Beidodir
          Beidodir (Beidodir) 6 February 2024 17: 37
          -4
          You will be surprised how much free time you have when you don’t have to work :) And accordingly, a lot of time to read various information :)

          Judging by the hysterical comments over the past two years, reading has not gone well.
          1. Griffith Offline Griffith
            Griffith (Oleg) 6 February 2024 17: 39
            +4
            I’m not hysterical, I’m just stating the facts available in the press. I'm sorry that these facts make some people hysterical. recourse
      2. Griffith Offline Griffith
        Griffith (Oleg) 6 February 2024 17: 26
        +1
        By the way, can you explain why NATO does not establish a no-fly zone over Ukraine? After all, at the beginning of the Northern Military District in the West there was a lot of such talk? wink After all, they are so super-duper :) and wherever they got into trouble, there was always such a zone? Perhaps it’s not possible to do the same? Zgoden? Or, as they say, they just pissed themselves off. laughing
        1. Beidodir Offline Beidodir
          Beidodir (Beidodir) 6 February 2024 17: 38
          +2
          By the way, can you explain why NATO does not establish a no-fly zone over Ukraine?

          It has already installed it in fact.
          1. Griffith Offline Griffith
            Griffith (Oleg) 6 February 2024 17: 47
            +2
            By the way, can you explain why NATO does not establish a no-fly zone over Ukraine?

            It has already installed it in fact.

            I wonder why then shaheds, lancets, calibers, daggers and other Russian-made flying products are flying around Ukraine? Are Sushki and Migi flying over the Donetsk, Lugansk, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions and Crimea, as well as various helicopters of the Russian Armed Forces? Do you really want to say that NATO does not consider these areas to be Ukraine? This is really big news. what
            1. Nikolay Volkov Offline Nikolay Volkov
              Nikolay Volkov (Nikolai Volkov) 6 February 2024 18: 27
              0
              Why then are bombs, lancets, calibers, daggers and other Russian-made flying products flying around Ukraine?

              maybe because these “flights” do not hit anything critical in their defense capability?
              1. Griffith Offline Griffith
                Griffith (Oleg) 6 February 2024 18: 35
                +2
                Quote: Nikolai Volkov
                Why then are bombs, lancets, calibers, daggers and other Russian-made flying products flying around Ukraine?

                maybe because these “flights” do not hit anything critical in their defense capability?

                Those. the destruction of ammunition depots on the line and behind the BS line do not affect the defense capability of the Ukrainian Armed Forces? Interesting idea. Indeed, it is possible to transport ammunition, ammunition and medicine directly from Poland and Romania 1000 km to every trench and fortification. point. It’s okay :) And there’s no need to take the wounded to the nearest hospitals; they’ll do the surgery on their own. laughing Just think, two or three hundred military personnel per day were disposed of due to the lack of timely assistance in medicines and ammunition. It's the little things in life. request
            2. Zerro Zorro Offline Zerro Zorro
              Zerro Zorro (Konstantin Novikov) 7 February 2024 01: 20
              +1
              A no-fly zone and air supremacy is when the Aerospace Forces can drop cast iron bombs from high and medium altitudes without losses (almost like in Syria) and destroy ground and railway transport in free hunting mode. From the Dnieper to the Carpathians. This is when 10 kilotons of cheap cast iron are rained down on the enemy every day, and not 20-30 tons of shaheds, lancets, calibers.
    2. bug120560 Offline bug120560
      bug120560 (Oleg) 6 February 2024 16: 23
      +4
      The main problem is not that NATO is “harnessed” to the North Military District and provides intelligence data, but that in addition to this data they provide weapons and it can be said that with the complete inaction of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Defense it reaches the recipient. The intelligence data itself is zero, without the combat capabilities to use it.
      1. vik669 Offline vik669
        vik669 (vik669) 7 February 2024 18: 51
        0
        The main problem is not that NATO is “harnessed” to the Northern Military District - but just like that, it suddenly appeared out of nowhere...!
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    4. Alexey Lan Online Alexey Lan
      Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 6 February 2024 18: 43
      +1
      It should be noted that Ukrainian aviation does not have dominance even in the front-line zone. The dominance of Ukraine at the expense of NATO is only in intelligence, which is also achievable for Russia. In addition, UAVs and drones are displacing aviation, which also equalizes the sides in the fire impact. The next step in electronic warfare using the latest technologies. Whoever has it better will win. It was believed that electronic warfare in Russia was advanced. Maybe. However, it was small in number and did not reach the infantry trench. So everything is ahead. The main war is ahead.
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  4. Yarik83 Offline Yarik83
    Yarik83 (J. Yarmosh 8-bit Music) 6 February 2024 16: 58
    -2
    Author, that is, in your opinion, Putin was not ready? He has been preparing for this for more than 20 years! Or do you think the sanctions against us are not working the way the enemy would like?
    Do you even know that there is also a lack of sovereignty? It's been 30 years already? Do you know that the Americans actually wrote the Constitution for us? Do you know that Yeltsin removed flight missions from nuclear warheads in 94?!
    To wage such a war in SUCH a situation is brilliant!
    I’ve already written this to you a hundred times. So that you study the question if the author is really good!
    1. vi-13bk.ru Offline vi-13bk.ru
      vi-13bk.ru (ivan ivanov) 6 February 2024 17: 21
      +7
      No!! For 20 years he did not prepare, but played hugs with his “partners” and watched as the stool DESTROYED THE ARMY.
      1. Nelton Offline Nelton
        Nelton (Oleg) 6 February 2024 18: 00
        -1
        Quote: Yarik83 (J. Yarmosh 8-bit Music)
        lack of sovereignty? It's been 30 years already?

        Quote: vi-13bk.ru
        For 20 years he...DESTROYS THE ARMY.

        Hmm, honorable commentators, how does serial production of Boreevs (together with the Bulava) fit into your scathing theses?

        From the point of view The national interests of the United States are the main thing that we should ban.
        But they didn’t ban it, because... cannot prohibit, i.e. Everything is fine with the sovereignty of the Russian Federation.

        And the very fact of the presence of those Boreevs forces ex-partners to exercise extreme caution.
        And this is in your category “DESTRUCTION OF AN ARMY”?

        Moreover, it was not only Boreev who carried out mass production.
        1. wamp Offline wamp
          wamp 7 February 2024 01: 23
          +3
          Quote from Nelton.
          But they didn’t ban it, because... cannot prohibit, i.e. Everything is fine with the sovereignty of the Russian Federation.

          You are either very young, or naive, or not from Russia.

          90% of Russian enterprises are offshore, i.e. they pay part of the taxes at their place of registration. But this is not a problem.
          Why do they go offshore? Credits! In the West, 2% each; in Russia, more than 20%.
          Why is it more than 20% in Russia, because the Central Bank sets such rates through its key (base) rate, which is now 16% instead of 1%. Commercial banks are still showing their interest.

          The Central Bank was established under Yeltsin instead of the State Bank of Russia. In essence, this is a foreign structure that, according to the Constitution, is not subordinate to anyone in Russia.
          In fact, the Central Bank is a structure of the IMF and carries out all its “recommendations” and has a very strong influence (within the country) on the parliamentary corps, since most of them are businessmen and are connected with offshore companies (they have their own Central Banks with the IMF), where they can not only be sent but and peel it off like a stick. Therefore, laws harmful to the country are adopted, and not abolished. Thus, “someone,” through the codes of laws, rules a huge country.

          It is necessary to change the Constitution and subordinate the Central Bank to the government, but the deputy corps will not vote. There is no Constitutional Assembly (the body that changes...) and there is not even a law on its work - the deputies do not want to discuss it.
          Putin tried to hold a referendum, but the media (contingent for money...) simply distorted the meaning and it was only possible to make some changes in the additional part. But we need to change the main part, which requires stronger support.
          1. Nelton Offline Nelton
            Nelton (Oleg) 7 February 2024 15: 04
            -1
            Quote: Wamp
            Credits! In the West, 2% each; in Russia, more than 20%

            Firstly, there are also preferential loans for expanding production.
            Secondly, inflation in the Russian Federation and in the West is very different.
            To issue loans at 2% with inflation at 16% means shifting the remaining 14% to the budget.
            There will be a lot of smart people who will stupidly buy foreign currency with these loans in order to pay off by selling only 86% of what they bought a year earlier.

            Quote: Wamp
            Putin tried to hold a referendum, but the media (contingent for money...) simply distorted the meaning and it was only possible to make some changes

            It turned out to do exactly what it was intended for - to endlessly extend the terms of government, while maintaining a pale semblance of legality.

            Quote: Wamp
            “someone”, through the codes of laws, rules a huge country.

            You overestimate the country's controllability through “codes of laws.”
        2. Yarik83 Offline Yarik83
          Yarik83 (J. Yarmosh 8-bit Music) 7 February 2024 14: 30
          -2
          Can you hear? Is sovereignty okay? Are you saying this about the Ministry of Culture, Education or Health? You say this when children from a nursery are forced to learn the language of the Anglo-Saxons, and all around there are inscriptions in ENGLISH? He has sovereignty.
    2. Insolent in a jacket 6 February 2024 19: 11
      +2
      ...Waging such a war in SUCH a situation is brilliant!..

      ...And they started this SVO - in general, “super-genius”!...

      It was GENIUS that our Russian Armed Forces fought in Georgia!
      That's for sure..., but those smart officers were most likely devoured by "geniuses" of a different type and pattern... - essentially those who know how to "brilliantly" shuffle their hoofs across the parquet floors
      1. RUR Offline RUR
        RUR 6 February 2024 21: 46
        0
        In the German army, officers were also turned into officials - this is what the German officers themselves complain about,
  5. Nelton Offline Nelton
    Nelton (Oleg) 6 February 2024 17: 13
    +1
    Looking back, you realize that a lot could have gone differently if our country, its army and military industry had been better prepared for what we had to face.

    If you knew what you would have to face, then of course you could tighten up a number of aspects, start completely differently, and then now the LBS would be significantly to the west, perhaps along the Dnieper.

    But what would it change in the grand scheme of things?
    the same sanctions, the same confrontation with NATO, the same need to establish air defense not only in the Belgorod region, but also in St. Petersburg, Volgograd, Yaroslavl - where Ukrainian drones have already flown, and an additional buffer from the left bank regions of Ukraine would not have much effect on this.

    If we knew with what fierceness and tenacity the RF Armed Forces would be greeted (and not at all with flowers and hugs), then it would be better not to start this SVO at all, but to strengthen the defense of the LDPR.
    1. Beidodir Offline Beidodir
      Beidodir (Beidodir) 6 February 2024 17: 39
      +7
      If we knew with what fierceness and tenacity the RF Armed Forces would be greeted (and not at all with flowers and hugs), then it would be better not to start this SVO at all, but to strengthen the defense of the LDPR.

      Smart people have been warning about this for 8 years. Some of them are now behind bars.
      1. Nikolay Volkov Offline Nikolay Volkov
        Nikolay Volkov (Nikolai Volkov) 6 February 2024 18: 34
        +6
        Why listen to some Strelkov when there is “Xperd” on Ukraine Medvedchuk???

        It’s interesting what intelligence actually reported before the start... judging by Naryshkin’s incoherent speech at the memorable meeting, they knew a lot already then...
    2. Alexey Lan Online Alexey Lan
      Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 6 February 2024 18: 47
      +4
      According to some rumors, the military proposed sending the army into the LDPR after the start of the offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Whether this is true or not, if NATO had not intervened, then where would the Ukrainian Armed Forces be? There is a political miscalculation in the North Military District.
    3. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 6 February 2024 19: 18
      +5
      (Nelton. to both comments). Boreas, Poseidon are good, but they are hitting from the other side and Boreas are not helping. (they can help, but it’s hard to “play” with them).

      Know where you will encounter

      So this is the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Foreign Intelligence Service, the GRU to help, and hundreds of those who are sitting out their pants on strategic planning. At senior positions, they must build and implement their strategy. Yes, it seems there is no one, if ministers, only at the level of the head of the construction department and his associates in their positions... According to the RF Armed Forces, they harassed career officers - the defenders of the Motherland, brought in helpful sycophants, and closed most of the officers' forges. So there is a shortage of capable officers, both junior and senior. According to the NGSH, this is the behavior of an envious careerist, with activities more like defending his position and servility. With such components, the SVO will drag on even for five years. That is why there are no series of new weapons created on the LBS: Armata, Coalition, Su-57, R-100, etc. (according to the report of S. Shoigu for 70% of what is new in the RF Armed Forces), there are no victorious actions of the RF Armed Forces in the Northern Military District.
      “If only we knew with what bitterness and tenacity they would meet the RF Armed Forces,” - if they didn’t know, such strategists are worthless, then they are taking the wrong places. Conclusion: the head is rotten, and the fish is half-dead, this is what’s going on at SVO. As many say, as is the state, so is the army. Where to start, with the construction of the RF Armed Forces to protect the people and the Russian Federation, or the construction of a state for the people.
      1. Nelton Offline Nelton
        Nelton (Oleg) 7 February 2024 00: 27
        +1
        Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
        “If only we knew with what bitterness and tenacity they would meet the RF Armed Forces,” - if they didn’t know, such strategists are worthless, then they are taking the wrong places.

        In this aspect I agree.

        Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
        Armata, Coalition, Su-57, R-100, etc.

        These are not "new".
        These are promising.
        The new ones are Su-3xx, Pantsiri, T90 and modernized 72e, etc.
        And from my point of view, the balance of new/prospective costs is quite logical, based on what was known for 2014-2021.
        Almost. The Lebanese defeat of the 1982 Soviet-style air defense should have become a catalyst for changes in all tactics... But it did not.

        And so... let me remind you that until 2022 it was expected that the Russian Armed Forces would easily win on the battlefield, but the Russian economy would collapse under sanctions.

        Both predictions did not come true.
        And from my point of view. , it’s much better this way (the economy is quite cheerful, and the Armed Forces are at a dead end, well, at least it’s not a defeat) than the other way around (the Armed Forces are on the Bug, and the economy is a fur-bearing animal scribe).

        And let me remind you that for 2014 this forecast (the Armed Forces will win, but the economy will collapse) had much greater grounds.
        Still, a lot of work was done in the economy in 2015-2022.
        The mere replacement of Ukrainian industries is almost a feat; there were [... a lot of them...] in a bunch of industries. And not only them.
        People, with all due respect to the achievements of the USSR, find the courage to appreciate what we have done.
    4. pentwer Offline pentwer
      pentwer (Bakhtiyar) 7 February 2024 00: 02
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      They knew, they didn’t know - that’s not the point. And who then would put into their pockets what was allocated for “no analogues” on an industrial scale?
  6. strange guest Offline strange guest
    strange guest (Strange Guest) 6 February 2024 19: 12
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    The Russian Armed Forces destroyed 137 S-300, Buk M-1 and S-125 anti-aircraft missile systems. This is more than 90 percent of the long- and medium-range anti-aircraft missile systems currently in service. 81 Ukrainian air defense radar posts were destroyed. Currently, the air defense system is only focal in nature and is not capable of providing significant counteraction to Russian aviation -
    official representative of the Ministry of Defense Igor Konashenkov. March 9, 2022

    So someone is lying - or the author - that it was not possible to destroy most of the Ukrainian air defense, or the Defense Ministry. The Ministry of Defense still inspires more trust among real patriots of Russia! Therefore, it is not clear what prevented us from gaining air superiority.
  7. syndicalist Offline syndicalist
    syndicalist (Dimon) 6 February 2024 19: 56
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    What would the Russian Aerospace Forces achieve dominance in the skies over Ukraine?

    In the context of the current course of events, the article “What would the conquest of the Ukrainian Air Force gain in the skies over Russia?” would be more appropriate?
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  9. av58 Offline av58
    av58 (Andrei) 8 February 2024 01: 41
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    Question: what kind of aviation is needed? It quickly became clear that no one needs all these advanced and cutting-edge 4th and subsequent generations for 100 years: not only complex and expensive, not only produced by highly qualified specialists for a long time, not only requiring experienced pilots who are long and expensive to train, but also absolutely useless because of the fear of losing a relatively cheap MANPADS missile after the launch, or even after a successful shot from a primitive machine gun, and air combat and aerobatics are a long-dead anachronism, since everything comes down to a locator (ground-based or on AWACS-type aircraft) and an Earth missile -Air or Long Range Air-Air.
    Su-25, and those, shoot somewhere and there, so as not to fall into the air defense zone. This is an "attack aircraft", i.e. battlefield aircraft, direct support vehicle for troops.
    Okay, let's say that some desperate pilot decided to support the infantry/tanks for real, and flew to the ribbon. It makes sense: maximum speed is 950 km/h, cruising speed is about 700, landing speed is about 200. WHAT WILL THE PILOT BE ABLE TO SEE WHEN FLYING OVER THE LBS??? Never mind! Even 200 km/h is approximately 55 m PER SECOND!
    We won’t talk about 700 or 950 km/h at all.
    The current "combat" aviation is pure fraud and waste of money.
    What to offer in return?
    Let's return to the 2nd MV attack aircraft, let's say the Su-6, which did not go into production, although with the M-71 engine it was superior to the Il-2.
    You need a car that flies steadily at a relatively low speed, literally crawls along the tops of trees, and is able to shoot, bomb, etc. even from horizontal flight, even from a dive, and is not afraid of electronic warfare. A living pilot doesn't care about electronic warfare.
    You can take at least the same Su-6. The bomb load was 400 kg (!), and not 4 grenades, like the copter.
    The drawings, including working ones, are in the design bureau (in the archives).
    The car can be quickly processed on a modern technological basis to use modern materials (at pace because there is war. “We must, Fedya, we must!”).
    It's the same with motors.
    There are modern avionics, flight systems and communications equipment.
    The necessary and suitable ejection seats are ALREADY available at Severin's Zvezda design bureau.
    Weapons in the form of guns, missiles, bombs are available.
    Locators and hanging containers for various purposes, including electronic warfare, are already available.
    Such aircraft are built in modern production relatively (of course, relatively) quickly and cheaply.
    It is easier and cheaper to train pilots: no air combat is expected, so a training program such as takeoff-landing-horizontal flight-use of aviation weapons and tactics of use is mastered quickly and cheaply.
    If you don’t like the Su-6, there is a fresh Yak-152.
    Are there any examples? Yes, there is: this is an American attack aircraft OV-10 Bronco.
  10. Alex Pan Offline Alex Pan
    Alex Pan (Alex Pan) 10 February 2024 18: 55
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    Quote from Voo
    I realized that Putin was out of touch with reality at the end of 2022. And before that, I still hoped that I was wrong, but 2023 finally dispelled my doubts, when he brought papers with supposedly signatures for him to the election commission.

    the citizen criticizes his president. He also cites a video of a hostile state to confirm his opinion.
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