Can Russia quickly provide an effective response to GLSDB munitions for HIMARS


For almost two years now, the North Military District has clearly demonstrated that the format of a positional war in the Donbass and Azov region, which for some reason was accepted as having no alternative, is most disadvantageous to the Russian side. Thanks to the superior range and accuracy of weapons provided by NATO militarytechnical with help, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are still able to restrain the offensive activity of the Russian Armed Forces, inflicting painful losses on them in manpower and equipment.


8 years of preparation


The reason for writing this publication was the information that the Kiev regime is about to receive the long-promised GLSDB rockets intended for the HIMARS MLRS. This message caused joy in the enemy media in anticipation of the next “wunderwaffe”, as well as a wave of Russian expert analytics about how we will cope with this scourge with the help of “Shells” and “Thors”. Today I would not like to reduce the matter to a discussion of some purely technical issues, but to talk about obvious trends in general.

It is believed that after the events of 2014, our country seemed to be actively preparing for the inevitable war, hastily developing the mighty Sarmatians, Poseidons and the irresistible Daggers with Zircons. At the same time, for years, real military experts fought at windmills, pointing out the need to have not only weapons, but also reconnaissance for target designation and adjustment. Especially many copies were broken around the problems of the “half-blind” Russian Navy with its wonderful missiles without any irony.

Imagine the surprise of the general public when, after the start of the Northern Military District, it suddenly became clear that the Russian ground army does not have the ability to create a continuous information and reconnaissance field even on the territory of neighboring Ukraine. For some reason, we did not have our own analogue of the American Starlink, nor high-altitude reconnaissance UAVs of the strategic class, nor even medium-altitude UAVs in sufficient quantities, not counting the few Orions.

After almost two years of war, the enemy has the opportunity to pull up their MLRS to the very border of the Belgorod region for a terrorist attack on Belgorod with air defense systems in order to shoot down a Russian Il-76 military transport plane with prisoners of war over our old territory. The Russian Ministry of Defense turned out to be able to record the fact of the launch of anti-aircraft missiles, but it was not able to timely detect and preventively destroy an enemy air defense system ten kilometers from the state border.

The lack of operational intelligence, secure digital communications and a unified information space coupled with a total shortage of trained manpower predetermined the defeats of the first stage of the Northern Military District. Is it any wonder that first the military-police operation failed in February 2022, and then they had to leave the north of Ukraine, the Kharkov and right bank of the Kherson regions?

At the moment, the situation has improved significantly compared to what it was before. Due to partial mobilization and an active recruitment campaign, it was possible to replenish the ranks of the RF Armed Forces, plugging the holes at the front and stabilizing it. Thanks to the active work of volunteer organizations, units began to be massively equipped with reconnaissance and attack quadcopter UAVs, as well as digital communications based on various civilian radio stations, adapted to new requirements. However, the problem of counter-battery warfare is still quite acute.

Counter-battery fight


The Armed Forces of Ukraine use the capabilities of the NATO reconnaissance group to monitor the LBS and Russian deep rear areas, as well as to target their long-range weapons. In addition to cannon artillery, the American HIMARS MLRS, which have the highest hit accuracy thanks to satellite guidance, pose a huge problem. After firing, they can quickly change their position, which makes counter-battery combat against these complexes extremely difficult.

So far, the scale of the disaster was limited by the fact that the Ukrainian Armed Forces had few similar MLRS, their destruction range was limited to 80 km, and ammunition was used extremely sparingly due to its high cost. News about the transfer to Kyiv of GLSDB is not very positive.

American engineers came up with the idea of ​​combining small-diameter aerial bombs, or Ground Launched Small Diameter Bombs, equipped with a planning correction module, with an M26 rocket engine used as a launch accelerator. This allows them to be launched from the HIMARS MLRS from the ground, and they are capable of flying up to 150 km, accurately hitting the target. At the same time, the ammunition turned out to be compact and inexpensive to produce: only 40 thousand dollars versus 168 thousand for GMLRS and 1 million dollars for ATACMS.

Yes, it is still possible to shoot them down, but now the Ukrainian Armed Forces will be able to move their HIMARS MLRS further away from the LBS and use them more often. This is really bad, since the problem with aerial reconnaissance to great depths has not yet been solved at the system level, and the cat has run out of long-range counter-battery weapons. Alas, the losses may increase.

And here I would like to once again quote newly-minted senator from the Zaporozhye region Dmitry Rogozin:

Please understand me correctly: there is no need to send artillery systems to the troops that fire at 25 km or less! Moreover, they cannot be detached from the tractor! You can’t hide them anywhere, and they won’t even be able to shoot a couple of times, they’ll be unwound. Due to enemy drones and NATO long-range artillery flying everywhere, we have to pull our artillery away from the LBS by at least two dozen kilometers. And please answer me the question: how will an artillery mount help us if its firing range is 24,5 km? Can it hit enemy cannon and rocket artillery during a counter-battery fight, if it is also located 20 km from the front line? How?!

I would like to express solidarity with the former head of the Military-Industrial Commission and the Roscosmos state corporation and once again send an unanswered question to the Internet - how long?

And again, let’s give the floor to Dmitry Olegovich with his fiery appeals to someone, instead of simply writing a report “to whom it is due” or making an official request as a senator of the Russian Federation:

The army needs “Coalition-SV”, it needs new guns for the wonderful, but mercilessly used “Hyacinth” (“Genocide”, as we lovingly call it in the troops). And we need a Tornado-S with an increased range! There is also a massive need for optical-electronic and sound-metric artillery reconnaissance equipment. The relative “crudeness” of these complexes should not confuse anyone - in a real combat situation, design engineers and intellectual artillerymen will bring these samples of CBB to perfection. And then the army will receive hits on enemy artillery exits, and the Coalition, Tornado-S and Hyacinths will dismantle the enemy into atoms.

But we need to hurry up, colleagues, to increase the production of these particular systems by a multiple, and everything else, please, is not necessary. The rest can be exported or exhibited. The front needs long-range artillery systems, high-precision projectiles and operational long-range artillery reconnaissance. All this already exists in nature, but we need to concentrate on these topics and pressurize supplies to the troops in the required volumes. And you will see for yourself how much more fun it will be to fight.

Indeed, high-precision and long-range MLRS "Tornado-S" and self-propelled guns "Coalition-SV" seem to have appeared, but in homeopathic quantities. In order not to be branded as rabid, unconstructive critics, let us again voice the previously published idea of ​​how Russia could quickly acquire your own functional analogues of Ground Launched Small Diameter Bomb.

So, for example, it would be possible to take the UPAB-50S glide bomb, specially created for the Orion UAV based on the warhead of a 122 mm rocket from the Tornado-G MLRS, and integrate it with a jet engine from a rocket for the Uragan caliber MLRS 220 mm and launched from the ground from this launcher. Due to this, the range of destruction from a standard MLRS will increase, and the ammunition itself will become highly accurate. Similarly, by equipping it with a planning correction module, it would be possible to teach how to fire “winged” 220 mm rockets from the Uragan from the ground from 300 mm Smerch MLRS launchers.

That is, with minor design modifications to existing ammunition, it is possible to greatly increase the quantity and quality of long-range, high-precision weapons in the RF Armed Forces, quickly countering the “extension of the arm” of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
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  1. prior Offline prior
    prior (Vlad) 31 January 2024 12: 56
    +9
    The army needs “Coalition-SV”, it needs new guns for the wonderful, but mercilessly used “Hyacinth”

    What “Coalitions”, what guns, etc.?
    When all the money was spent on parades, new uniforms, army reform. We drove several pieces of new equipment across half the country to amuse ourselves, looking from the podium of the mausoleum.
    So, as always, we will fight with what we have and what is left in the Soviet storage warehouses.
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  4. vik669 Offline vik669
    vik669 (vik669) 31 January 2024 13: 41
    -6
    So, for example, one could take

    - it’s kind of like, say, if there are 38 snipers, then each sniper has a target, and he’s all... - what else can you expect from the heirs of the councils of workers’ and peasants’ deputies, after all, aspen trees will not give birth to oranges, but oak trees will give birth to oak trees!
    1. Essex62 Offline Essex62
      Essex62 (Alexander) 1 February 2024 10: 54
      +7
      These Councils of Workers' and Peasants' Deputies created everything that is being used today in a failed adventure to quickly bend the Bandera outskirts, the power of the hucksters. In 30 years, she hasn’t learned anything other than exchanging “national property” for Western consumer goods.
  5. bug120560 Offline bug120560
    bug120560 (Oleg) 31 January 2024 14: 01
    +9
    I read the article with great interest, Sergey (sorry, I don’t know my middle name), thank you very much. Totally agree with you. Maybe our great strategists will finally realize that weapons are effective only when they are available in sufficient quantities at the front, and not at exhibitions and parades.
    1. Valerok Offline Valerok
      Valerok (Walery) 2 February 2024 03: 17
      +1
      Maybe it will finally come to our great strategists

      What will change for them after the publication of the article and comments on it?
      They “reassign responsibility for errors there”:
      - surrounded
      - fell into a trap
      - deceived
      - shot down our own (the plane and crew... don’t count......... am am am
      Sorry, but they have long equated human resources with money, choosing priority according to “profitability,” and that’s where their bets lie: calculations, propaganda slogans, theses. Or do you see a different representation, a different reflection of reality from television screens - where each channel is purchased and has settings for the region BECAUSE of local Business.
  6. svoroponov Offline svoroponov
    svoroponov (Vyacheslav) 31 January 2024 14: 23
    +4
    Recently, missiles from Chimeras have lost accuracy. The Ukrainian military themselves state this and complain about our electronic warfare equipment. In addition, the Ukrainians have a GMLRS, but only they already have the first one that was shot down. And if the head of this missile is the same as in the heads of missiles from the Chimeras, then they will suffer a similar fate in terms of accuracy of targeting the target, and since they have already been shot down, then there is practice in detecting such missiles will be distributed and entered into the databases of our air defense installations. Chimera missiles get shot down quite often.
    GMLRS is about the same as shooting down stealthy British and French missiles in terms of the difficulty of interception. It’s just that those ones go at relatively low altitudes, and this one is higher. Pantsirs appeared on the front line with not more than 48 missiles against drones and similar evil spirits. So let's wait and see.
    Well, as for the artillery, the mortars need to be removed past the guns, they generally hit at short distances. There is no need to remove anything. You just need to use it all wisely on the front line in the near rear, starting from camouflage and quick withdrawals from positions using various anti-drone gadgets, as well as our electronic warfare equipment to suppress this evil spirits. Perhaps we just need to add additional anti-drone counter specialists to the crews and crews. Well, and improve interaction between different branches of the armed forces and their units.
    1. OlegovichA Offline OlegovichA
      OlegovichA (Andrey Smirnov) 1 February 2024 04: 03
      0
      If everything is as you write, then from what were 2 planes destroyed at the airfield in Crimea today?
  7. Disinfo Offline Disinfo
    Disinfo (Peter) 31 January 2024 19: 02
    -1
    These are not game changer weapons, they are being supplied just to ensure Russians continue to die. Russia's snails pace offensive is what has created the deployment of these weapons, START ADVANCING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  8. syndicalist Offline syndicalist
    syndicalist (Dimon) 31 January 2024 20: 35
    +7
    That is, the enemy already has everything, but for now we are only talking about setting the task. Accordingly, when the task is completed, it will be necessary to respond to problems at the next level, and so on.
  9. strange guest Offline strange guest
    strange guest (Strange Guest) 31 January 2024 21: 19
    +1
    As the President said, this will not help them either.
    1. mapok Offline mapok
      mapok (mapok) 1 February 2024 09: 42
      +7
      As the President said

      He also said that under him the retirement age would not be raised, and oh, how much he said and promised. So to believe him is to deceive yourself.
  10. Elena123 Offline Elena123
    Elena123 (elena) 31 January 2024 22: 36
    0
    Can Russia quickly provide an effective response to GLSDB munitions for HIMARS

    - Do we have approximately the same ammunition with the same performance?
  11. Yuras Offline Yuras
    Yuras (Yuras) 31 January 2024 22: 46
    -1
    Can Russia quickly provide an effective response...

    Judging by the media from the West about the increase in rates, as well as here on TV about our successes in the military-industrial complex, we will soon find out the answer. I hope we won’t have to remember the dialogue between two officers from the film “Sunstroke” directed by Mikhalkov: - “Will it work out? - But it didn’t work out.” Yes, we are running, but we are not just running, we are in the role of catching up, and almost every day we lose someone, either military or civilian. Judging by the topic of the article, we are limping and there is something wrong with the speed and efficiency of responding to these challenges. I hope in the long run (which has no end in sight) this is not a disaster yet? Yesterday in the program “Evening with Vladimir Solovyov” I heard from Shurygin the following words: “the long will will win” in that topic under discussion, of course yes, but in this one? The situation is this: the long, well, very long will of the president, and plus over a long distance (imposed on us by the West), limping and stumbling in places, our military-industrial complex flywheel is gaining momentum, again judging by TV.
    1. wladimirjankov Offline wladimirjankov
      wladimirjankov (Vladimir Yankov) 1 February 2024 14: 27
      +2
      judging by TV.

      Judging “on TV” is a thankless task.
  12. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 1 February 2024 00: 09
    0
    another call-and-explainer. “For all the good against all the bad.”
    It didn’t promote itself for a long time, but now it’s broken through? did you get enough money for PR?
    As a doctor of all kinds of sciences, the head of rocket scientists, all kinds of royal wolves, he should not criticize anyone. And organize it all yourself.
    triple the production of what is needed, set aside what is unnecessary....
    or at least name the names of the saboteurs or, conversely, “effective organizers”

    And any drunk can probably squeak and explain
    1. imjarek Offline imjarek
      imjarek (imjarek) 1 February 2024 09: 18
      0
      Every machine and workbench
      Triple your work.
      This is how Ilyich ordered us to work!
  13. Watching Offline Watching
    Watching (Alex) 1 February 2024 00: 47
    0
    The author, as always, feels the pulse of relevance. Yes, Russian slow-wittedness, backwardness from modern military thinking is still a problem. Send elite youth to study military sciences abroad! You can’t go to America, but maybe you can go to Iran, or North Korea.
  14. Kuramori Reika Offline Kuramori Reika
    Kuramori Reika (Kuramori Reika) 1 February 2024 00: 48
    -5
    There is complete discord in the Ukrainian army. It's time to buy a few officers who are tired of being in this bloody booth. Then destroying the warehouses will not be difficult.
  15. In passing Offline In passing
    In passing (Galina Rožkova) 1 February 2024 01: 59
    -4
    Why hasn’t this Rogozin been removed as ambassador yet? Bye for senators? Where was he before? He organized those same parades and shows. For single copies it will be “analogue”. Russia approached the North Military District with the old standards of the old war, although the example of Azerbaijan and Armenia was before our eyes. Those drones were used there. Apparently, this is the fate of Russians - to harness for a long time. And plus army stupidity and bureaucracy. I can’t get rid of the impression that someone is deliberately sitting and slowing down in every possible way, someone in military offices. That same satellite reconnaissance, that same communications, those same gates, even...
    1. Caruso Offline Caruso
      Caruso 2 February 2024 20: 58
      0
      about slowing down, think in the right direction. All that remains is to guess who and everything will fall into place.
  16. DO Offline DO
    DO (Dmitriy) 1 February 2024 02: 23
    +1
    American engineers came up with the idea of ​​combining small-diameter aerial bombs, or Ground Launched Small Diameter Bombs, equipped with a planning correction module, with an M26 rocket engine used as a launch accelerator. This allows them to be launched from the HIMARS MLRS from the ground, and they are capable of flying up to 150 km, accurately hitting the target.

    Can Russia quickly provide an effective response to GLSDB munitions for HIMARS

    As the experience of the Northern Military District has shown, today the most effective lethal means of counter-battery warfare are Lancets.
    But Lancets do not fly over 150 km.
    A solution to the problems of Lancet range and reducing their delivery time could be the use of an autonomous Lancet with folding wings, in an overload-resistant version, as a warhead for an MLRS missile. The lancet would automatically undock from the rocket at the desired point and begin an independent search for the target. At the same time, a swarm function is desirable for the Lancets, which will allow the Lancets to be fired into the required square.
    It is clear that to launch Lancets you need to know the square where the target is located, but about reconnaissance some other time.
    1. DO Offline DO
      DO (Dmitriy) 1 February 2024 02: 55
      0
      And yet about counter-battery reconnaissance HIMAR+SGLSDB
      The most powerful solution, of course, is the use of a Su-34 with a side-view AFAR (Sych), or, later, a Su-27 converted into a drone, in the same capacity as the Su-34, loitering along the LBS.
      However, to approximately determine the launch point of the SGLSDB, an infrared reconnaissance UAV can also be used, patrolling near the LBS at maximum altitude, and determining the flight path of the SGLSDB while its engine is running, on the basis of which the search area for a swarm of Lancets transported by MLRS missiles can be calculated.
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  18. Andrey Andreev_2 (Andrey Andreev) 1 February 2024 07: 37
    -1
    Are we defending ourselves again? When will we attack? The Anglo-Saxons’ answer to the supply of missiles and shells 500+ km away can be elementary: supply of our missiles to Iran and Yemen! And also the supply of missiles and the creation of bases in Nicaragua, Venezuela, Cuba, etc.. It is not at all necessary to deploy divisions there, even if at the first stage these are single deliveries! But it is NECESSARY to start now, action is needed. We’ll strangle the crests and build up groups there. Forget about the new (old) Coalition...
    1. Muscool Offline Muscool
      Muscool (Glory) 1 February 2024 08: 22
      +4
      And we ourselves will be left naked? Iran has enough missiles of its own. Yes, and we buy something from Iran.
      1. Andrey Andreev_2 (Andrey Andreev) 1 February 2024 11: 09
        -1
        Enough for everyone! Do not doubt...
        1. Adam Offline Adam
          Adam (A/dam) 10 February 2024 20: 27
          0
          So, you were in the warehouses? Can I have an address or a video?
    2. wladimirjankov Offline wladimirjankov
      wladimirjankov (Vladimir Yankov) 1 February 2024 14: 33
      +1
      supplies of our missiles to Iran and Yemen

      Do you think that there are plenty of our missiles and we have something to put somewhere?
  19. Muscool Offline Muscool
    Muscool (Glory) 1 February 2024 08: 21
    0
    Mobile electronic warfare equipment is no less urgently needed; yesterday a video appeared from crests of how our column of a dozen pieces of equipment was completely destroyed by FPV drones, even without artillery and ATGMs.
    1. imjarek Offline imjarek
      imjarek (imjarek) 1 February 2024 09: 20
      0
      Skakuas are generally dangerous to believe.
  20. wladimirjankov Offline wladimirjankov
    wladimirjankov (Vladimir Yankov) 1 February 2024 14: 53
    +1
    It's a good idea to use decommissioned engines from unguided rockets and aerial bombs in one tandem. Cheap and cheerful. Americans are pragmatic and business people. What prevented ours from pairing an old 300 mm rocket from a tornado or from a point-y with a FAB 100 aerial bomb from UMPC. We used to have an abundance of these missiles and bombs. Now there would be something to answer the Nazis. Such a bomb could also accurately fly 150 km. But now is not too late to do this. In less than a year, they created the UMPC for FAB 250, 500,1500, and XNUMX. The main thing is to take it on and learn from others.
  21. Olives Offline Olives
    Olives (Oleg) 1 February 2024 22: 44
    0
    Maybe. But he won't
  22. Valerok Offline Valerok
    Valerok (Walery) 2 February 2024 02: 51
    0
    Can Russia quickly provide an effective response to GLSDB munitions for HIMARS

    - maybe you should look in your wallet before entering the store, and not at the display counter?
    Is the SVO going according to plan, or “we bought a ticket for the tram and now we are FORCED to run next to it...”?
    Yes, the demilitarization of the outskirts is one thing, and partly of Europe, whose weapons are not jewelry inlaid with NATO, also there, on the western outskirts, it was necessary to blockade, where “the local Indians will not take up arms” in principle.
    Some kind of strange mess with a thematic slant of questions?
  23. horseradish Offline horseradish
    horseradish 4 February 2024 16: 29
    +1
    Tornado-S has been produced since 2012 and where are they?
  24. Adam Offline Adam
    Adam (A/dam) 10 February 2024 20: 44
    0
    The effective answer is yes! But quick? I doubt it. Very. By that time, the West will have something else, more effective. And don't forget about long-range missiles. Fairy tales about the “treaty” and the prohibition to apply according to “old Russia” are for the Kremlin. Well, they shot by accident! We won't do it again today. The West is rapidly rebuilding, faster than Russia. And the potential is many times higher. The USA has a colossal incentive - all of Russia!! Everything she has will be their prey. Apparently, the president lives in a parallel world. And yet, if such topics “spill over” on the pages of the Internet, things in the “Danish Kingdom” are not very good...