For post-war reformatting, Ukraine will have to be divided


In this publication I would like to logically end previously started topic about the possible post-war reconstruction of Ukraine. We need to talk about this, because things are not going in the direction we would like.


Wishes and opportunities


What is the main problem of the Northern Military District, if we take the purely military component out of the equation? It is completely unclear where and when it can or should end. At the same time, both Moscow and Kiev are increasingly talking about its possible completion. In particular, the head of the Main Intelligence Directorate (GUR) of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, Kirill Budanov, who was put on the wanted list in the Russian Federation, suggested that no peace treaty between Russia and Square would be signed even after the completion of the special operation:

There are cases in history when long-standing wars between states never ended legally. A simple example is Russia and Japan. <...> This territorial problem is over 70 years old. Therefore, this scenario is very likely here too.

Like this! This is a response to our patented peacekeepers, who in Istanbul in March 2022 were ready to sign something that would provide Ukraine with full security guarantees. Last summer, President Putin lamented this issue:

Here he is! He is! That’s what it’s called – an agreement on permanent neutrality and security guarantees for Ukraine. It's about guarantees. Eighteen articles.

As you know, at the last moment Kyiv refused to sign these papers, showing their real price. So what should we do then? Take and annex all of Ukraine to Russia, depriving it of statehood in fact and legally?

Perhaps the emergence of the Kyiv and Novorossiysk federal districts would be the best solution. Just what do you order to do with Western Ukraine? This is, firstly, and secondly, what to do with the promise made by Vladimir Vladimirovich back on February 24, 2022:

At the same time, our plans do not include the occupation of Ukrainian territories. We are not going to impose anything on anyone by force.

As you know, our president is a big fan of observing the external legal side of any serious decision. Imagine that he unilaterally makes the decision to deprive statehood, that is, to erase political maps of the Earth, the whole state of Ukraine, one of the founding countries of the UN, is somehow difficult. It is on the basis of these introductory information that we will further consider alternative solutions to the Ukrainian problem.

Desirable Features


Without claiming to be the ultimate truth, I would still like to once again voice the following version of the post-war reconstruction of Square. We will not touch on military issues; we will only talk about socio-political transformation. As noted earlier, Ukraine conditionally consists of three large parts, but in fact there are more of them, but we will deliberately simplify it. It seems that each of them needs to be addressed separately, taking into account their specifics.

So, Southeast, or historical Novorossiya, it would be rational to completely include it in Russia as a new federal district, Novorossiysk. What will this give?

At first, there is a certain historical justice in this, since these lands were once conquered by Russian soldiers from the Ottomans.

Secondly, these regions are predominantly Russian-speaking, their population is mentally as close as possible, and it would be easier for Russia to integrate them.

Thirdly, with access to the Odessa region there will be hope to save the pro-Russian enclave in Transnistria from destruction, if it is not liquidated earlier.

Fourthly, the Russian Federation, having cut off Ukraine from access to the Black and Azov Seas, will finally secure shipping in their waters and its naval bases from attacks by naval and underwater drones of the Ukrainian Ukrainian Armed Forces.

Fifthly, the rest of Ukraine will actually turn into a “stump” state, deprived of access to the sea, the remnants of industry and most of the natural resources located precisely in the South-East. The mobilization potential of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be maximally undermined; post-war Ukraine will be completely dependent on Russia in the matter of transit of products of its agricultural complex through its seaports. Even with all the desire in the current regime, Kyiv will definitely not be able to fight in the future.

There are some advantages to seeing from the annexation of Novorossiya to Russia, but the disadvantages are that this should have been done in a timely manner, in 2014, when there was no need to fight for these territories with such losses.

Central Ukraine, or historical Little Russia. If there were no artificially imposed restrictions, one could dream of joining the Russian Federation as a new district, but so far no one is seriously going to liquidate Ukrainian statehood.

It seems that in the place of today's Central Ukraine it would be advisable to proclaim a new state, the Little Russian Federation (MF), officially bilingual, where Russian and Ukrainian language and culture will have equal rights and opportunities. Within economic integration, it will have to join the Eurasian Economic Union, abandoning European integration.

The danger of a relapse of the Maidan and a new war can be stopped by turning to the American experience in Germany and Japan, where a huge number of US Armed Forces, Air Force and Navy bases are permanently located. Exactly the same can be done in the MF by placing military bases of the RF Armed Forces in all strategically important points indefinitely. Instead of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it is possible to create Self-Defense Forces, limiting their number to 40-50 thousand people, who would be subordinate to the unified command of the Armed Forces of the SG. At the same time, the officer corps and core should be formed from Russians, immigrants from Donbass, as well as those Ukrainian military personnel who themselves surrendered and went over to the side of Russia now, when Victory is still so far away.

In addition to economic and military integration, political integration is also necessary. It is obvious that with formal sovereignty, the MF should become a protectorate for Russia, where a puppet regime will be installed, to call a spade a spade. All those involved in the Russophobic activities of the Zelensky regime must be subject to lustration, and candidates for the presidency must be approved by the Kremlin. By the way, a more suitable candidate for the post of first head of the Ministry of Finance seems to be not the extremely unpopular Viktor Medvedchuk, but rather Oleg Tsarev. This man has been in pro-Russian positions since 2014, for which he received two bullets from Ukrainian terrorists.

The MF could become part of the Union State of Russia and Belarus. It is very important that this integration association from paper become real: there finally appeared a common parliament, government, court, Accounts Chamber, united Armed Forces, where the Self-Defense Forces of the Ministry of Defense, currency, citizenship, etc. should be included. Subsequently, this experience could be further spread throughout the post-Soviet space.

Western Ukraine represents the most difficult problem. Some propose giving it to Poland, Hungary and Romania, others propose annexing it to the Russian Federation and somehow reformatting it from within.

It seems that a more rational solution would be to forcibly demilitarize it and give it the status of a broad national-cultural autonomy under the joint protectorate of Russia and Belarus. Perhaps it is worth adding neighboring Poland and Hungary to the number of protector countries in exchange for free transit to the Kaliningrad region and Serbia. If Warsaw or Budapest decide to block these land corridors for Moscow and Minsk, the latter will reserve the right to militarize Galicia, Volyn and Transcarpathia by introducing a joint group of SG Armed Forces, which should be provided for in the relevant agreement. Such a mechanism of checks and balances may ultimately prove to be quite workable.

But, of course, you can do none of the above, dig new ditches and create minefields along the LBS and show the Ukrainians through them figs, not wanting to “feed” them, and then fight with them again and again.
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  1. strange guest Offline strange guest
    strange guest (Strange Guest) 15 November 2023 15: 49
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    In general, it is unrealistic and not true from all points of view. Well, except for the Western Bandera one. Lviv is a Russian city, founded by a Russian prince. This is where the insinuations can end.
    1. Nelton Offline Nelton
      Nelton (Oleg) 15 November 2023 17: 48
      +6
      Such texts only motivate the adversary to desperately resist.
      Well, they give you a feeling of, if not victory, then at least victory -
      “The Russians wanted to capture us as far as the Bug and destroy us as a people - and all they mastered in the fall was the Tochmash gardening partnership.”

      and then fight them again and again.

      The Ukrainian Armed Forces, trying to preserve this village, located northeast of Avdeevka, sent their motorized formations there. Several dozen enemy Bradley infantry fighting vehicles and Leopard tanks operate in Stepovo and its environs

      Even judging by the names of the armored vehicles, we are already at war with NATO.
      And these battles for waste heaps and garden partnerships do not in any way affect the capabilities of the military-industrial complex of NATO countries and those that have joined them, they only motivate them to expand production.

      And in this mode, “fighting them again and again” can last for decades.
      NATO is not burning with the desire for a decisive victory (it’s possible to run into tactical nuclear weapons, and then not only tactical nuclear weapons), but to wear us down in this “again and again” is for them, yes, a strategy quite understandable from the times of the Cold War...
      1. Daniel K Offline Daniel K
        Daniel K (Daniil Koshevoy) 16 November 2023 03: 34
        -3
        It’s impossible, people are running out in Ukraine, the current mobilization is about 15 percent completed. Another year and the end, women, old people, one-armed disabled people on the LBS.
        I would really like for this not to happen and for Ukraine to deal with its top brass
        1. bobnew2017 Offline bobnew2017
          bobnew2017 (Bobylev Alexey) 17 November 2023 09: 35
          +1
          The process of liberation of Ukraine can no longer be stopped by any “carrots”. Ukroreich will be destroyed completely and forever, all the lands to the last inch of the former Soviet Ukraine will be liberated from the brown plague! The author's statements are significantly outdated and now make no sense. Final Victory of Russia and unconditional surrender of NATO fascists in Ukraine, no options!
      2. syndicalist Offline syndicalist
        syndicalist (Dimon) 16 November 2023 07: 37
        +7
        Quote from Nelton.
        Such texts only motivate the adversary to desperately resist.

        What then is the purpose of the SVO in your opinion? Nowadays no one even remembers about the ridiculous demilitarization/denazification, since, compared to the current state, before the Northern Military District there was no army in Ukraine at all.
        1. Nelton Offline Nelton
          Nelton (Oleg) 16 November 2023 11: 23
          +7
          Quote: syndicalist
          What then is the purpose of the SVO in your opinion?

          From my point of view, the Decisive Decision to start the SVO was made based on an incorrect assessment of the alignments.
          Our Supreme Commander-in-Chief trusted his agents too much, and they reported what the Supreme wanted to hear, and not what actually happened.
          A week later, the real situation became clear, and then the search for solutions began on how to minimize the consequences of the error. (for now the strategy is to stall for time).

          Occupying all of Ukraine would certainly be a good result, even in light of the very dubious loyalty of the local population. But no matter how much the turbo-patriots might want it, it’s not realistic at the moment. A successful success - the gardening partnership and half of the small village were occupied.
          At this rate, the NATO countries have plenty of time to promote their military-industrial complex, and, if necessary, send troops to the left bank of the Dnieper.
          I seriously doubt that our Supreme Commander will go into direct conflict with NATO.

          You can, of course, console yourself with the thought that during the Northern Military District the mobilization potential of Ukraine is being crushed. It is just finite, unlike equipment and shells.
          But again, the pace of this grinding allows NATO countries to increase the production of unmanned systems, and gradually less and less personnel will be required.
    2. Sergei Fonov Offline Sergei Fonov
      Sergei Fonov (sergey fonov) 15 November 2023 21: 33
      +5
      Daniil Galitsky in 1256 received the title of “King of Russia” from the hands of the Pope. The coat of arms of Lviv is a golden lion on a blue background, these are the colors of the modern flag of Ukraine, composed of the colors of the coat of arms of the Russian prince. That is, historical Ukraine is Russia, and the fact that the center of Russia over many years of migration moved to Moscow is not surprising; the Center was located where there was less outside influence. Ukraine must be returned to its historical homeland, and it must return its historical name.
      1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
        Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 15 November 2023 21: 44
        +7
        When Danila kissed the Pope's ass and converted to Catholicism for the sake of the title, Orthodox Alexander Nevsky (Prince of Kiev) put the Swedes in cancer. Which prince is more Russian? It’s like comparing Vlasov with Zhukov. The ruin has regained its historical title of the outskirts of the world and a farmyard
        1. strange guest Offline strange guest
          strange guest (Strange Guest) 15 November 2023 22: 04
          +9
          Yes, they are both Russian. Both are Monomakhovichs.
          In 1245, Daniil Romanovich defeated the Polish-Hungarian army of King Bela IV Arpad on the San River. And Alexander Nevsky at that time defended Rus' from the Swedes and Germans. Both received a label to reign among the Tatars. Historians are still arguing whether Daniel accepted the union or not. It's about his "Catholicism". And historians consider Daniil of Galitsky the savior of Western Russian lands. This is just information.
          1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
            Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 15 November 2023 22: 29
            -6
            This is not information but some kind of comic from Netflix. hi I won't even discuss it.
        2. syndicalist Offline syndicalist
          syndicalist (Dimon) 16 November 2023 07: 46
          -2
          You apparently didn’t watch Putin’s last speech after his meeting with Xijingping. Then you would know that at that moment

          Quote: Sergey Tokarev
          When Danila kissed the Pope's ass and converted to Catholicism for the sake of the title

          Alexander Nevsky kissed the ass of the Horde Khan to receive a label for reign
          1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
            Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 16 November 2023 09: 21
            -1
            Nevsky became the prince of Kiev but was never in Kyiv. he clearly didn't ask for this hi and in general there is a version that his father was the Horde khan laughing
            1. syndicalist Offline syndicalist
              syndicalist (Dimon) 16 November 2023 12: 35
              -1
              Write to Putin about this. Open his eyes
        3. Sergei Fonov Offline Sergei Fonov
          Sergei Fonov (sergey fonov) 16 November 2023 19: 35
          +1
          This is not about who kissed whom, when and in what place, but about the fact that Western Ukraine was at one time part of the Russian Empire, and earlier, during the time of D. Galician, a principality, on the territory of which the people living there called themselves Russians.
      2. RUR Offline RUR
        RUR 16 November 2023 11: 38
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        Cherven cities are: Lvov, Zvenigorod, Galich, Terebovlya, Sanok, Krosno, Belz, Zamosc, Kholm, Przemysl, Cherven, Volyn, Suteysk, Ugrovesk (XI-XII centuries - Galician, Zvenigorod, Terebovl, Przemysl and Belz principalities; XII -XIV century - Galicia-Volyn principality.

        more than half of these cities are already part of Poland
  2. sannyhome Offline sannyhome
    sannyhome 15 November 2023 16: 09
    +15
    Ukraine, one of the founding countries of the UN

    You don’t have to read any further... The USSR was the founding country of the UN, and Stalin simply added Ukraine and Belarus to the heap so that there would be more votes during the voting. There was no “country of Ukraine” in 1945.
    1. Beidodir Offline Beidodir
      Beidodir (Beidodir) 15 November 2023 16: 28
      -9
      You don’t have to read any further... The USSR was the founding country of the UN, and Stalin simply added Ukraine and Belarus to the heap so that there would be more votes during the voting..

      Hospadi, there are a lot of political scientists... What did you mean by this? fellow

      There was no “country of Ukraine” in 1945

      I read the published text, I don’t see such a statement there that it could be refuted with such anguish. winked
      1. Essex62 Offline Essex62
        Essex62 (Alexander) 16 November 2023 08: 34
        +1
        So, the very premise of the article about the state of Ukraine is false and drags behind it a chain of false statements and proposals to divide the “state of the creator of the UN.” All new formations from the Union are not legitimate, because the people at the Referendum voted to preserve the USSR, and the signatories of the Belovezhskaya Conspiracy are criminals and usurpers. There is no country called Ukraine, it is the outskirts of the Russian Empire. It doesn’t matter in what form, RI or USSR. A reference to the Middle Ages and the so-called Kievan Rus is not valid, because the princes-bandits, with their lads - squads, endlessly robbed and burned Russian cities, turning Russian people into slaves. There was no state then, in the modern sense.
        1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
          k7k8 (vic) 16 November 2023 11: 25
          +4
          Quote: Essex62
          There is no country called Ukraine, it is the outskirts of the Russian Empire.

          You probably don’t know that a little earlier there was no such country as France, but there was the outskirts of the Roman Empire. The same can be said about Germany and the rest of Great Britain. And even earlier there was no Roman Empire. And a little earlier there was no Egypt. So now? On this basis, will we not recognize the existence of any states or human civilization? States always arise and disappear over time. This is a natural process. And no amount of turbo-patriotism can stop him.
          1. Essex62 Offline Essex62
            Essex62 (Alexander) 17 November 2023 10: 47
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            There is and cannot be anything natural in the power of the trader on the territory of the USSR. As for the rest of Gaul and Egypt, these are their problems. And stopping this is not only possible, but also extremely necessary. Which is what the Russian people will do, over time.
    2. Beidodir Offline Beidodir
      Beidodir (Beidodir) 16 November 2023 07: 18
      +1
      You don’t have to read any further... The USSR was the founding country of the UN, and Stalin simply added Ukraine and Belarus to the heap so that there would be more votes during the voting. There was no “country of Ukraine” in 1945.

      https://research.un.org/ru/unmembers/founders
  3. Vladimir80 Offline Vladimir80
    Vladimir80 15 November 2023 16: 16
    +5
    For post-war reformatting, Ukraine will have to be divided

    what, the war is over?
    p.s. reminiscent of endless unsuccessful novels about parallel reality or about failures in the past of modern man.....
    1. syndicalist Offline syndicalist
      syndicalist (Dimon) 16 November 2023 07: 55
      +3
      The author generally admits that

      things are not going at all in the direction we would like.

      and, if we take this as a starting point, then we should be talking about reformatting Russia, not Ukraine.
  4. strange guest Offline strange guest
    strange guest (Strange Guest) 15 November 2023 16: 22
    -2
    And it would be nice to convince Old Man to renounce sovereignty.
    1. Beidodir Offline Beidodir
      Beidodir (Beidodir) 15 November 2023 16: 29
      +3
      Strange Guest (Strange Guest) Today, 15:49
      In general, it is unrealistic and not true from all points of view. Well, except for the Western Bandera one. Lviv is a Russian city, founded by a Russian prince. This is where the insinuations can end.

      And you also write about unrealism belay
      1. strange guest Offline strange guest
        strange guest (Strange Guest) 15 November 2023 16: 39
        +7
        Half measures have never allowed anyone to achieve results. Any task must be completed.
    2. k7k8 Offline k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 16 November 2023 14: 48
      +1
      How crazy did you come up with this?
      Reading you, sometimes it seems that different people are writing posts on your behalf.
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  6. prior Offline prior
    prior (Vlad) 15 November 2023 17: 07
    +2
    Give Western Ukraine to Poland, Hungary and Romania

    Don't just give it away. And by an international agreement under the auspices of the UN, the relevant areas will be transferred to Poland, Hungary and Romania, respectively. Receive guarantees from them that there will be no territorial claims against Russia forever and ever. So that Western Ukraine dissolves into the EU and NATO countries and can never be revived.
    Moreover, the transfer of Lvov and other territories of Western Ukraine to Poland should be carried out only in exchange for the territory of Poland, which would allow connecting Belarus with the Kaliningrad region by land. the notorious Suwalki corridor. Let's say a strip of land along the Lithuanian border 100 km wide.
    And if the Poles don’t agree, screw it. The territory will be annexed to Russia, Bandera’s followers will be added to Poland.
    Finns remember how Stalin moved the state border beyond Vyborg. And what's better about the Poles?! They were also once part of the Russian Empire.
    1. RUR Offline RUR
      RUR 15 November 2023 19: 45
      +1
      Well, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth bordered on the Principality of Moscow - now the Moscow region. And Moscow itself was a year or even more - I don’t remember exactly - under occupation
    2. Daniel K Offline Daniel K
      Daniel K (Daniil Koshevoy) 16 November 2023 03: 39
      +7
      A few years later, both guarantors of the Minsk agreements, Merkel and Hollande, said that they had deceived Russia and no one was going to implement the agreements on the part of Ukraine and Europe. Still want to sign something with them and receive guarantees? There are only one guarantees - our military bases on the territory of Ukraine, their lack of an army.
    3. hromenkonickolai (Nikolay Khromenko) 17 November 2023 11: 35
      +2
      Annexing Western Ukraine (W/U) to the Russian Federation and “somehow reformatting it from within” is a utopia. Apart from historical roots, “Westerners” and “Muscovites” have very little in common. Their relations are conditionally comparable to the relations of Jews with Arabs. Annexation of W/U to the Russian Federation or giving it the status of broad autonomy means planting a time bomb in their relations, which will definitely explode someday.
      A radical solution to the problem is seen in the transfer of land plots to Poland, returning the territories that belonged to them to Hungary and Romania. The Russian Federation will only benefit from this, because Z/U as an independent entity will simply disappear. And the Poles will finally put the tragic Volyn history to rest.
  7. DO Offline DO
    DO (Dmitriy) 15 November 2023 17: 14
    +3
    what to do with the promise made by Vladimir Vladimirovich back on February 24, 2022:
    At the same time, our plans do not include the occupation of Ukrainian territories. We are not going to impose anything on anyone by force.

    Putin’s promise “not to impose by force,” obviously, according to the text of the speech, refers to his reluctance to OCCUPY Ukraine.
    Subsequent events showed that Putin keeps his word, because the Donetsk, Lugansk, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions of Ukraine, liberated from Ukronazism, are not occupied, but are officially JOINED TO RUSSIA. How can Russia occupy HIS, RUSSIAN territory?

    Central Ukraine, or historical Little Russia. If there were no artificially imposed restrictions, one could dream of joining the Russian Federation as a new district, but so far no one is seriously going to liquidate Ukrainian statehood.

    I, a sinner, could not find the “artificially imposed restrictions” mentioned by the author in the media.
    The annexation of the liberated regions of Ukraine to Russia, which has already taken place, clearly and understandably provides an answer to the fate of the remaining regions of Ukraine that have yet to be liberated.
    The post-war annexation of all regions of Ukraine to Russia means the liquidation of Ukrainian statehood.
    Further constructions of the author,

    It seems that in the place of today's Central Ukraine it would be advisable to proclaim a new state, the Little Russian Federation (MF) ...
    ... The danger of a relapse of the Maidan and a new war can be stopped by turning to the American experience in Germany and Japan, where a huge number of US Armed Forces, Air Force and Navy bases are permanently located.

    Western Ukraine... It seems that a more rational solution would be to forcibly demilitarize it and give it the status of a broad national-cultural autonomy under the joint protectorate of Russia and Belarus. Perhaps neighboring Poland and Hungary should be added to the number of protector countries...

    contradict the current trend of annexing the liberated regions of Ukraine to Russia.
    The only thing worthy of attention seems to be the mention of Belarus (of course, subject to Belarus' participation in the liberation of Western Ukraine).
    1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
      Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 15 November 2023 22: 08
      -1
      Putin’s promise “not to impose by force” is obvious

      means that the aborigines of the ruins do not understand either carrot or stick. But they do a great job on their own if you don’t disturb them. their medical reforms, mobilization, etc. they are successfully denazified through depopulation hi
    2. k7k8 Offline k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 16 November 2023 11: 37
      +3
      Quote: DO
      The only thing worthy of attention seems to be the mention of Belarus (of course, subject to Belarus' participation in the liberation of Western Ukraine).

      Do you honestly think that Minsk should participate in this? Then read the Constitution of the Republic of Belarus. Minsk has repeatedly stated that Belarus does not have ANY territorial claims against its neighbors, and it is not going to get involved in any “liberation”. and you, following the author, repeat this provocative mantra for the umpteenth time. Minsk already helped Moscow last year (not in words, but in deeds), but what did it get? Remind me? Or will you still find it on the internet? Everything is in the public domain.
      1. unparalleled Offline unparalleled
        unparalleled 16 November 2023 11: 50
        +3
        It seems to me that Lukashenko very much regretted that, at least a little, he participated in this “success”
        1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
          k7k8 (vic) 16 November 2023 14: 45
          0
          In this case, oddly enough, I completely agree with you.
  8. strange guest Offline strange guest
    strange guest (Strange Guest) 15 November 2023 17: 23
    +4
    The respected author does not realize that all his proposals for the division of Ukraine do not bring us ANY closer to the main thing - the reason for which all this was started - to return NATO to the borders of 1997 and ensure the security of Russia. Only Russia’s entry to the western borders of the former Ukraine and the subsequent reformatting of Poland and the Baltic states with Finland (but in relation to them it is already logical to talk about pro-Russian puppet governments and permanent military bases of the Russian Armed Forces on their territories) will help us fulfill this titanic task set by the President !
    1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
      Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 15 November 2023 22: 13
      -4
      Well, you can’t so openly quote the State Department manual hi ...grab more and get overwhelmed. for the purpose of our own there is no seizure of territories!
      1. strange guest Offline strange guest
        strange guest (Strange Guest) 15 November 2023 23: 18
        +2
        The main goal of the Northern Military District is NATO within the 1997 borders. Do you really think that we started the Northern Military District for the sake of a piece of the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions? Please tell me how this task can be accomplished without liquidating Ukraine and forcing the countries that joined NATO after ’97 to leave.

        Russia demanded that NATO return to the 1997 borders
        NATO countries reject Russia's proposals for security guarantees, which were discussed at the negotiations between Vladimir Putin and Joe Biden, and were later transferred to the American side through Deputy Secretary of State Karen Donfried.

        This was announced on Friday by Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov, who held a briefing where a draft agreement with the North Atlantic Alliance, developed in Moscow, was presented.
        Its key points:
        1. Withdrawal of the entire NATO military infrastructure to the 1997 positions, that is, de facto, an almost complete withdrawal of troops and weapons from Eastern Europe.
        2. Canceling the 2008 decision to include Georgia and Ukraine in the bloc with a simultaneous commitment not to admit any of the post-Soviet countries in the future.
        3. Remove all US nuclear weapons deployed outside the country and dismantle related infrastructure.
        4. Do not send NATO warships beyond national waters, from where they could hit Russian territory.
        In addition, Moscow demands not to deploy medium- and shorter-range missiles, to refrain from flying heavy bombers (including those not carrying nuclear weapons) outside its skies, and not to conduct exercises to test nuclear war scenarios.
        1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
          Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 15 November 2023 23: 29
          -2
          Read your goals first. laughing As a result, crests should NEVER jump and shout against Russia. there is no need to capture them for this. It's enough to break your legs and tear out your tongue hi
          1. strange guest Offline strange guest
            strange guest (Strange Guest) 15 November 2023 23: 39
            +2
            I have just quoted the official requirements of the Russian Federation.
            1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
              Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 16 November 2023 09: 24
              0
              I told you to study the goals of the Northern Military District and not the agreement with NATO. these are different documents.
              1. strange guest Offline strange guest
                strange guest (Strange Guest) 16 November 2023 09: 42
                +1
                Well, if the concept of “cause-and-effect relationships” is beyond your understanding, then it’s a shame hi
          2. unparalleled Offline unparalleled
            unparalleled 16 November 2023 00: 12
            +3
            The goals you wrote about are completely failed, aren’t they?
            1. strange guest Offline strange guest
              strange guest (Strange Guest) 16 November 2023 00: 46
              +1
              For now - yes. But the music is still playing and the dance can continue) Many people think that I’m kidding about the Finns. But they don’t want to face the truth - from Kharkov to Moscow, or from Riga to Moscow - the flight time is half a minute difference. So Ukraine is just a toy. If anything, the Turks and the Black Sea Fleet and Tartus will arrive along with the amers from Incirlik. Crimea is not needed for this. But through Finland, NATO is one jump 1000 km closer to the bases of the Northern Fleet strategists. F35s will appear there and in a year or two they will receive hypersound with special warheads. on the internal suspension. The problem with aviation hypersound is its relatively short range. But now Gremikha, Gadzhievo, and Vidyaevo through Karelia and Kola are all within reach. And the flight time is 3 minutes. And defeat is almost guaranteed - no air defense will help. The cross can be put on one of the most important and hidden parts of our triad. They won’t have time to strike back from the pier, much less go out to sea. Together with the strategists in Olenegorsk they won’t even have time to groan. This is why the Finns were drawn to NATO, and not to storm Petrozavodsk through the swamps.
              By and large, the United States needed the Finns in NATO - this is what everything was started for... and Ukraine is so... to tease...
              1. Nelton Offline Nelton
                Nelton (Oleg) 16 November 2023 11: 52
                +2
                Quote: Strange guest
                But through Finland, NATO is one jump 1000 km closer to the bases of the Northern Fleet strategists. F35s will appear there and in a year or two they will receive hypersound with special warheads. on the internal suspension. The problem with aviation hypersound is its relatively short range. But now Gremikha, Gadzhievo, and Vidyaevo through Karelia and Kola are all within reach.

                Norway has been a NATO country since 1949, and the minimum distance from the Norwegian fjords to Gadzhievo is ~120 km.
                1. strange guest Offline strange guest
                  strange guest (Strange Guest) 16 November 2023 11: 58
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                  Look at the common border of the Russian Federation and Norway. This area can be covered by air defense. This is what the 10th Separate Army and the Kola Air Defense Corps did. But there is no border with Finland. Covering air defense of such density at a border of one and a half thousand is a practically impossible task.
                  1. Nelton Offline Nelton
                    Nelton (Oleg) 16 November 2023 12: 15
                    +1
                    Quote: Strange guest
                    This area can be covered by air defense

                    The Gadzhievo-Murmansk region needs to be covered by air defense.
                    If we assume that it is reliably covered by air defense, then it is covered from both Norway and Finland.
                    But if we agree with the thesis of the hon.
                    Strange guest -

                    Flight time - 3 minutes. And almost guaranteed defeat - no air defense will help.

                    then again, it makes almost no difference, although it’s a little further to Finland.
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        2. isofat Online isofat
          isofat (isofat) 15 November 2023 23: 40
          +1
          Quote: Strange guest
          ...do you think that we started the Northern Military District for the sake of a piece of the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions?

          S.G., we are thinking about something else, but you just can’t help it.
          PS And don't call yourself us.
          1. strange guest Offline strange guest
            strange guest (Strange Guest) 15 November 2023 23: 56
            +2
            Strange, you know what? That you don’t understand the simple truth - Ukraine is just a bargaining chip. Both for us and for them. Well, I just posted an official statement from the Russian Federation. Is it addressed to Ukraine? There, Ukraine is mentioned once - along with Georgia, and this is not the main requirement. It seems like you know how to read, but understand what you read. Well, seriously... In order to bring the fulfillment of these demands closer, nothing should be left of Ukraine. How else? Force Poland to leave NATO? Give her Lviv? What should I give the rest of you so that they can come out? Fulfillment of these requirements can ONLY be achieved by force! Why are you so... unreasonable? They seem to be adults and not stupid people.. Or you are simply not capable of a serious conversation.. so, troll each other.. well, let's troll..)
            1. isofat Online isofat
              isofat (isofat) 16 November 2023 00: 08
              0
              S.G., we just want NATO to come back. That's all. Yes
              1. strange guest Offline strange guest
                strange guest (Strange Guest) 16 November 2023 00: 25
                +2
                How to ACHIEVE this?
                1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
                  Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 16 November 2023 09: 32
                  -2
                  financing ruins brought down the economy of Europe, especially Germany. and disarmed NATO. The Ukraine project has never brought profit. even under the USSR.
                  1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
                    k7k8 (vic) 16 November 2023 11: 42
                    +2
                    Do you ever take the TV off your shoulders?
                    1. isofat Online isofat
                      isofat (isofat) 16 November 2023 13: 01
                      -2
                      k7k8, from your assumption it is clear to us that the TV is familiar to you. But where are your arguments? laughing
                      1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
                        k7k8 (vic) 16 November 2023 14: 43
                        +3
                        Do you seriously think this is a passage from the author of the post?

                        Quote: Sergey Tokarev
                        The Ukraine project has never brought profit. even under the USSR.

                        requires arguments here? Personally, I, as someone who lived under both the communists and the bourgeoisie, do not need this at all.
                      2. isofat Online isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 16 November 2023 15: 02
                        0
                        k7k8, I just like reading your comments. The reason is this. smile
              2. isofat Online isofat
                isofat (isofat) 16 November 2023 13: 10
                0
                Quote: Strange guest
                How to ACHIEVE this?

                S.G., if you want to participate directly, then you will have to study a lot. hi
  • unc-2 Offline unc-2
    unc-2 (Nikolai Malyugin) 15 November 2023 17: 48
    +3
    The Roman Empire did not fall as a result of barbarian attacks. It collapsed as a result of the penetration of barbarians into all corners of life in the Empire. Imposing your culture, way of life, etc. And in the beginning there was even a fashion for barbarian clothing. Now we ourselves still don’t know what we should be most afraid of. An enemy does not betray, a former friend does. Driven by consumerism, people grab any bait. After all, if you look at it, the conversation about money is the most pressing. If you want the monitor screen to light up with unprecedented colors, pay. If you don’t pay, you’ll just sit on a boring page. But you still have the desire to dress well, and at the same time, so that the pleasant comfort is not disturbed.
    1. RUR Offline RUR
      RUR 15 November 2023 19: 51
      0
      About the empire - it’s true, not only the Roman and Byzantine empires disappeared, but also the Romans and Byzantines themselves... this is the law of the development of empires... imperial peoples dissolve and disappear without a trace
      1. strange guest Offline strange guest
        strange guest (Strange Guest) 15 November 2023 20: 05
        +2
        How sad it is..about the imperial peoples crying
        1. RUR Offline RUR
          RUR 15 November 2023 21: 14
          0
          Alas, the wandering peoples - Krizanich's term - are also dissolving into more developed nations... so don't be too happy...
          1. strange guest Offline strange guest
            strange guest (Strange Guest) 15 November 2023 21: 18
            +1
            But some didn’t dissolve feel
            There are no Romans...and there are no Byzantines...and there won't be many more... crying
            And some of the same age, or even older, of these peoples were and are... and will bewinked
            1. RUR Offline RUR
              RUR 15 November 2023 21: 37
              +2
              don’t make me laugh, don’t make me laugh, you feed and live on a borrowed European-style culture - this is about secular Jews, excluding the Orthodox, your society in Israel is split, some foresee a civil war, this, of course, is inevitable... antiquity, and even not Greco-Roman cannot coexist with modernity .. if Israel survives, then irreconcilable contradictions will come to life again with renewed vigor ... the new migration for many will end in voluntary inevitable assimilation ... this sad process is just extended over time ..
              1. strange guest Offline strange guest
                strange guest (Strange Guest) 15 November 2023 21: 44
                +1
                Progress, however) there are already tolerances - if Israel survives) you were more categorical before) reality takes precedence in the mind over dreams)
                1. RUR Offline RUR
                  RUR 15 November 2023 21: 52
                  +2
                  The answer is wrong - it’s the Jews who live in dreams from their antediluvian books, trying to remake the world to suit their writings... I can’t say that this is working... it’s me who lives based on reality... and one more thing: you have a bad memory - no remember that I wrote that Israel must exist within the borders determined by the UN... So there were no categories
                  1. unparalleled Offline unparalleled
                    unparalleled 16 November 2023 00: 17
                    -3
                    Jews who live their dreams - 480 billion dollars in GDP and 9,3 million people..
                    Russia - 1,5 billion dollars 140 million people.
                    Tiny Israel without natural resources, Russia with the entire periodic table.
                    So who dreams and who does it? Feel the difference so to speak)
                    You live in your fictional reality, where fairy tales are more important than the truth
                    1. RUR Offline RUR
                      RUR 16 November 2023 11: 28
                      -2
                      Israel receives enormous financial assistance from the United States, has direct access to Western markets and access to Western technologies... which the Russian Federation has never had. In general, it can be stated that the Russian Federation is a much more independent and self-sufficient country, in comparison with a dependent and financially dependent one. and technologically by Israel... Israel already needs US help, and judging by the comments in the Correspondent, the Jews are greedily waiting for it, they also write that the Israeli economy is almost bankrupt after a month of conflict, while the Russian Federation has somehow been under sanctions for 2 years ...

                      Feel the difference so to speak)
                    2. k7k8 Offline k7k8
                      k7k8 (vic) 16 November 2023 11: 49
                      +2
                      Quote: unparalleled
                      Russia - $1,5 billion

                      Why lie so enthusiastically? Russia's GDP in 2022 amounted to 153 trillion 435,2 billion rubles in absolute terms. At those exchange rates, ~2.5 trillion dollars, which, you see, is somewhat more than the unfortunate one and a half lard you voiced.
              2. strange guest Offline strange guest
                strange guest (Strange Guest) 17 November 2023 19: 36
                +1
                What kind of culture do you eat in Russia? what Stupid question, sorry hi My own - spiritually strong, I just forgot feel well, a little Jewish) Book, Testaments... everything is based on Jewish roots...
        2. RUR Offline RUR
          RUR 16 November 2023 12: 06
          0
          Yes, Macedonian, for example, mixed the Hellenes with the peoples of his empire to preserve the empire, and the result was the Eurasian Greeks... they later turned into Byzantines... whose identity disappeared with Byzantium... the word-concept - Greek actually refers to different peoples. .. Modern Greeks have been very much subject to Turkish influence and have little in common with both the Hellenes and the Byzantines .. The Russian Federation is moving in the same direction - with the Eurasian ideology, the state-forming people of the Russian Federation will become closer to the East, gradually losing their East Slavic identity (which is already is now quite often questioned in Ukraine and Belarus), dissolving into the peoples of the empire, as happened with the Greeks and other imperial peoples, transforming into new entities in attempts to preserve the empire and imperiality
  • Eduard Aplombov Offline Eduard Aplombov
    Eduard Aplombov (Eduard Aplombov) 15 November 2023 17: 49
    +3
    I’m not surprised by the versatility and versatility of the author, I’m not even afraid of the genius of thoughts and solutions from aircraft carriers to the world order
    It’s a pity and a shame that such a head vegetates on the Internet. in a tiny reporter who has long outgrown
    for the amusement of ten bored strategists
    I always look forward to new horizons from this author
    1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 16 November 2023 11: 51
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      Quote: Eduard Aplombov
      I’m not surprised by the versatility and versatility of the author, I’m not even afraid of the genius of thoughts and solutions from aircraft carriers to the world order

      Moreover, they are always spoken in a mentoring tone. Even the headlines of the articles are formulated as moral teachings.
  • Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 15 November 2023 17: 52
    +2
    How not to divide virtually, but it will be “as always”
    As:
    1) divide the skin of an unkilled bear
    2) any independent territory...why? Everyone understands everything.
    It will remain “independent” (which no one will recognize) until the accumulation of forces, provocations and bombings
    3) Naryshkin simply let it slip - to be accepted into Russia and that’s all.
    everything else is just idealistic noodles, essentially.

    You can watch the USSR. There was a chance to annex - both the Karelian-Finnish SSR and some southern Armenian and Kurdish regions were created. The chance disappeared - everything was quickly closed. (like the Russian Spring, for example)
  • Tektor Offline Tektor
    Tektor (Tektor) 15 November 2023 17: 58
    -3
    It is necessary to take into account the fact that BUKRA accepted Black Rock on its balance sheet. And she will try to make financial claims against Russia if we occupy the entire territory of Bukra. Therefore, you need to leave some stub, on which the debts will be written over. All other territories must remain in the status of buffer territories until they vote to join the Russian Federation. It would be optimal if some part of Bukra is annexed by someone else, for example, Hungary. And then the claims against the Russian Federation will not be objective. And no matter how much you ask Hungary, she will fight off.
    1. DO Offline DO
      DO (Dmitriy) 15 November 2023 18: 17
      +2
      And no matter how much you ask Hungary, she will fight off.

      Hungary will fight back, but Russia won’t?
      In fact, the West can come up with as many financial claims against Russia as it wants, and for any reason.
      But Russia will not forget, for example, about part of its gold and foreign currency reserves, $300 billion, frozen in Western banks. Sooner or later they will have to be returned, with interest.
    2. strange guest Offline strange guest
      strange guest (Strange Guest) 15 November 2023 20: 16
      +2
      Who told you that we recognize at least one court decision that is contrary to the interests of Russia? laughing
      It was clearly stated lol
  • Artificial Intelligence (artificial intelligence) 15 November 2023 18: 34
    +2
    From the annexation of Novorossiya to Russia, only advantages are visible

    - there are disadvantages: the smaller the Russian-speaking pro-Russian population in “Ukraine”, the greater the likelihood that monolithic Ukrainians, implicated in Russophobia and the ideas of the Ukrainian nation, will prevail.
    the presence of territories with a Russian-identical population creates a situation in which multiculturalism and bilingualism remain in demand for Ukraine.
    although this has still not made it possible either to establish the Russian language as a state language in Ukraine, or to prevent Russophobic Maidans, but at the same time it should be noted that it is probably thanks to the presence of such territories that the Ukrainian population is still immersed in destructive arguments about language and culture, instead of imagining itself as a monolithic Ukrainian nation that would not be distracted by cultural squabbles during enmity with Russia.

    the picture with the map was drawn by some slightly strange patriot) given the current anti-Russian policy of Poland, thinking about giving them some territories is absurd. Why give territory to the enemy?
    in order to push Russophobic Westerners away from someone - this is understandable, but..
    1. The Poles themselves are unlikely to be eager to deal with them, with these Bandera lovers.
    If we are talking about territories, then Poland would be interested in such territories that would strengthen Poland, and at the same time weaken Russia. This requires not just lions, but a significant part of Ukraine to have geopolitical significance. and unfortunately, the author of the picture on the map drew almost something similar, because the value of the western regions of present-day Ukraine is that they border with a large number of European countries, which would be important for the Russian Federation, because these are transport corridors, gas transits, and possibility of military-political pressure. It is important for Russia to maintain access to more Euro countries. especially those that are inclined to cooperate, like now Hungary, the seemingly new government of Slovakia, and potentially also Moldova. in the picture the map is drawn as an ideal example of the incorrect distribution of territories, because Russophobic Poland there cuts off Russia from most countries, except Moldova, and Poland itself, naturally (which most likely in the future would try to make new territories some kind of Russophobic autonomy as a shield from Russia and additional destructiveness).
    the only condition under which territories can be given to Poland is if the Russo-British government of Poland capitulates and becomes controlled, guaranteed to be convenient. then, of course, it would be desirable to push a bander on them.
    however, the desire to hastily abandon Westernism is also not the most worthy approach, because for Russia this Western contingent could be an interesting test to try first to offer something for them so that they themselves would be able to be part of the growing empire, with its own Ukrainian specifics . This may be unlikely, but a wise empire should be interested in such tests and experiments. and if it doesn’t work out and they are hopelessly Russophobic, then yes, leak it somewhere, having first neutralized all possible threats.

    but if we return to reality, I think the only thing that can be discussed within the framework of the “NWO” is the Odessa-Nikolaev region, to cut off the independent land from the sea so that it becomes fallow. control of access to the sea is already half a strategic victory. Then it’s a matter of time and technology, what conditions to offer to the rest of the fallow schenevmerloy. territories could be shared with friendly countries.
    Poland will most likely have to be dealt with in the future using radical methods. partial compromises and concessions are no longer appropriate; their policy must be completely changed.

    In general, if we are serious about how to do all this officially and politically, with the theoretical presence of military capabilities, then I believe that the fundamental problem of the Russian Federation is that so far the Russian Federation has not tried to start talking about revising the collapse of the USSR and its derivatives. The Soviet Union fell apart with hope for the best, for friendship with both the West and the former republics. in fact, neither one nor the other worked out. therefore, it is necessary to begin a review of the results of its collapse, and an assessment of the sovereignty of the former republics with their independence.
    it is necessary to directly say and prove that Ukraine has turned out to be an under-government, which is simply being used by swindlers inside Ukraine, and from the outside by the West against the Russian Federation. This is of no benefit to the population of Ukraine.
    on the basis of these arguments, it is necessary to launch a large project of eliminating the current Ukrainian statehood, and creating in its place, on its territories, new state formations, according to one or another criteria for the creation of a natural harmonious internally and externally state formations, with a guarantee of non-hostility with Russia.
    but Moscow doesn’t even try to talk about something like that. If you don’t do this, then there will probably be endless delusional accusations about aggression, internationally recognized borders, all sorts of Minsk-1,2,3...
  • Flight Offline Flight
    Flight (voi) 15 November 2023 18: 36
    +3
    Such reasoning is meaningless and resembles an alternative history. They themselves cited the main criteria:

    Here he is! He is! That’s what it’s called – an agreement on permanent neutrality and security guarantees for Ukraine. It's about guarantees. Eighteen articles.

    и

    At the same time, our plans do not include the occupation of Ukrainian territories. We are not going to impose anything on anyone by force.

    Initially, the guarantor tried to follow the agreements that were concluded by his predecessor. Which ultimately led to a stalemate. Now he is trying to somehow wriggle out, within the framework into which he has squeezed himself.
  • Alexander Ra Offline Alexander Ra
    Alexander Ra (Alexander) 15 November 2023 18: 41
    +5
    The Belovezhsky conspiracy in the Russian Federation has not been condemned or recognized as criminal. Hence all the crooked consequences in the life of the whole country, which hinder healthy things and prospects. The crime is legalized, and will generate similar ones. Part of the people of the outskirts is given over to the (will of) the “international community”. And our people so far agree to this amputation...
    1. isofat Online isofat
      isofat (isofat) 15 November 2023 19: 53
      0
      Alexander RaThat the Dnepropetrovsk clan left us and built the world's largest Jewish center Menorah is good. Yes
  • Hiker Offline Hiker
    Hiker (Dmitriy) 15 November 2023 19: 06
    +2
    Author, author... paper will endure anything, any kind of fiction.

    Russia does not have the strength to conquer even Russian territories, Kherson and Zaporozhye.
    And you wave it all over Ukraine. Funny.
    1. isofat Online isofat
      isofat (isofat) 15 November 2023 19: 47
      +1
      Dmitriy, and what are crests under the control of a Jew doing on Russian territory? laughing
  • Victor Pater Offline Victor Pater
    Victor Pater (Nikolai) 15 November 2023 19: 25
    +2
    Where is the guarantee that the created MF will not follow the path of Ukraine in the future? It is known from history that after the Pereyaslav Rada, which included Ukraine in Russia as a state within a state, all its hetmans after Khmelnytsky betrayed Russia, and in the collapse of the USSR, the decisive role was played by the head of Ukraine Kravchuk, who publicly boasted of this, although before that he was the secretary of the Central Committee CPU on IDEOLOGY, i.e. for the USSR he would have to “lie with his bones”! Here, all forecasts do not take into account the behavior of many Ukrainians, who have proven themselves to be hostile to Russia, after our Victory. Are they going to wait to be judged? (Remember how many of them fled to Europe immediately after the start of the Northern Military District, although at that time nothing directly threatened them). No, after the collapse of the front they will rush en masse to Europe and then a predominantly Russian-speaking population will remain in Ukraine, among whom it is possible to conduct a campaign against joining Russia like the LDPR.
    1. Flight Offline Flight
      Flight (voi) 15 November 2023 19: 48
      +3
      and in the collapse of the USSR, the decisive role was played by the head of Ukraine Kravchuk, who publicly boasted of this, although before that he was the secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine for IDEOLOGY, i.e. for the USSR he would have to “lie with his bones”!

      Well, well, well... In the Pushcha, these three had to condemn and repress themselves for the sedition that they committed. And one KGB officer should have shot himself, and not floated the resources of Leningrad.
    2. strange guest Offline strange guest
      strange guest (Strange Guest) 15 November 2023 19: 49
      +1
      No, after the collapse of the front, they will rush en masse to Europe and then Ukraine will remain predominantly Russian-speaking population, among whom it is possible to carry out a campaign to join Russia like the LDPR

      Apparently, this turn of events will happen in the spring and early summer. And here the main thing is not to lose momentum! By August, three tank wedges - to Vilnius - the Belarusian Armed Forces, to Riga and Tallinn - the tank armies of the Russian Federation. DKBF blocks the coast of the Baltic states. We'll get it done in a week! And in the winter campaign - a brigade of Baltic Fleet marines lands in Turku, the Pskov division lands in Helsinki, motorized units from Vyborg to Kotka and Helsinki to help the landing force, simultaneously sending mobile units to capture Lahti and Tampere - they will cover 200 versts in half a day. A brigade of Northern Fleet marines makes a push through Rovaniemi to the coast of the Gulf of Bothnia, cutting off Southern and Central Finland from Norway and NATO forces. The DKBF blocks the coast of Finland from the Gulf of Finland and the Gulf of Bothnia and provides fire support and capture of Aland. The Finnish army is 280 thousand, but they will not have time to mobilize) Two weeks - and the tricolor is over Helsingfors! And for the spring campaign of 25, only psheks will remain) Again the Baltic Fleet is blocking the coast, and tank wedges from the KO and the former Ukraine jump out beyond the Vistula. We warn Germanib that if something happens, the border will be along the Rhine. The Belarusian Armed Forces are fighting, distracting the Psheks from transferring reserves.
      And then conversations about a puppet government and military bases will be relevant for us.
      1. In passing Offline In passing
        In passing (Galina Rožkova) 15 November 2023 20: 37
        +2
        And everyone looks and applauds!
        1. strange guest Offline strange guest
          strange guest (Strange Guest) 15 November 2023 21: 03
          +1
          I fully admit that some people look and grind their teeth from impotent anger Yes But does this change anything?
      2. hromenkonickolai (Nikolay Khromenko) 17 November 2023 12: 12
        +2
        I don’t understand why the border is along the Rhine? No way! Give it to Lisbon! Hurray...!
        1. strange guest Offline strange guest
          strange guest (Strange Guest) 17 November 2023 19: 44
          +1
          Agree Yes The beaches of Barcelona and the coffee shops of Porto will not be out of place - a good place for a Russian person to relax wink and for retiring good
          Goida! fellow
  • In passing Offline In passing
    In passing (Galina Rožkova) 15 November 2023 20: 47
    +3
    The Kremlin will decide, and we will simply dry up. Russia does not owe anything to anyone, but it can guarantee its security only thanks to its Army and Navy (AIII), and Strategic Missile Forces. Ukraine can either be friendly and associated with Russia, or not. That's all. And giving away Russian lands to someone if someone else has their eye on them is the height of stupidity. But again, the Kremlin will decide.
  • oleg Pesotsky Offline oleg Pesotsky
    oleg Pesotsky (Oleg Pesotsky) 15 November 2023 20: 50
    +5
    In principle, everything described by the author has a right to exist and does not look so fantastic. Some people put forward such crazy ideas that just make your jaw drop. But there is only one problem - you need victory on the battlefield. But this is still a little difficult. No prospects. The second question is what Russia can offer to new territories. The current economic situation in the LDPR as well as in Zaporozhye is simply terrifying. And the automatic increase in the retirement age for the population by 5 years clearly does not add authority to the new authorities. Conclusion: without solving the internal problems of Russia itself, assimilation and integration of new territories is impossible.
    1. strange guest Offline strange guest
      strange guest (Strange Guest) 15 November 2023 21: 06
      +3
      What did you want to hear about retirement age? The “old” Russians, who have been hunched over all their lives and paid contributions - 65, and the “new” ones, who have not transferred a penny to the pension fund - 60? No justice for yourself)
      1. Elena123 Offline Elena123
        Elena123 (elena) 16 November 2023 09: 47
        +2
        Only by these anti-human and anti-Russian actions can one understand the authorities. They have money for private planes, Aurus 50 million each, but never have it in retirement.
    2. Elena123 Offline Elena123
      Elena123 (elena) 16 November 2023 09: 49
      +1
      The territories are not new, but returned by law. This is not all of our territories; there is still a lot to return to our native shores.
    3. scolopendra Offline scolopendra
      scolopendra (Kirill Sazonov) 19 November 2023 00: 13
      +2
      We somehow accepted the raising of the retirement age with joy and enthusiasm, and they will accept it. The President’s rating only grows from such decisions; I predict 90% in the vote.
  • boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 16 November 2023 00: 50
    -3
    Our president is still in his ultimatum for 2021. indicated that the advancement of NATO borders to the east is unacceptable for Russia. And the author, from his master’s discretion, gives parts to 404 NATO countries, and one of the most hostile to us. Is the author against Putin’s understanding of Russia’s interests?
    For Hungary, you can make an indulgence and organize autonomy in Transcarpathia. But while she is in NATO (apparently not for long), it is not worth giving her this territory.
    1. Beidodir Offline Beidodir
      Beidodir (Beidodir) 16 November 2023 07: 22
      +1
      Our president is still in his ultimatum for 2021. indicated that the advancement of NATO borders to the east is unacceptable for Russia. A the author gives parts from the master's shoulder to 404 NATO countries, and one of the most hostile for us. Is the author against Putin’s understanding of Russia’s interests?

      Was it acceptable to him until 2022? By the way, why did he himself want to join NATO?
      By the way, where in the text is it about GIVING AWAY the memory? Or are you, good sir, simply attributing your own dreams to the author?

      For Hungary can be made an indulgence and organize autonomy in Transcarpathia.

      Yeah, right there too laughing
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 17 November 2023 01: 33
        -1
        Didn't you look at the map in the article? Or are you unable to read maps?
        There is a storage unit in Poland. Moldova - in Romania.

        But while she is in NATO (apparently not for long), it is not worth giving her this territory.

        Well, you need to read the comment to the end.

        By the way, why did he himself want to join NATO?

        Did he want to? I knew perfectly well that they wouldn’t accept me. This is not why NATO was created.
  • Watching Offline Watching
    Watching (Alex) 16 November 2023 01: 54
    +1
    Quote: Sergey Tokarev
    When Danila kissed the Pope's ass and converted to Catholicism for the sake of the title

    Prince Danila did not accept Catholicism. Orthodoxy remained, but the Pope was recognized as the supreme patriarch. After the defeat of Rus' by the Tatars, Galich sought protection from his western neighbors, and received security guarantees, although at the cost of abandoning the Eastern Slavs. For this reason, today's Galicians and Volynians do not consider themselves Russians, which is quite understandable, especially after the forced Ukrainization of the Rusyns.
    1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
      Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 16 November 2023 09: 50
      0
      Well, that’s just the Ukrainian way... stick your ass out first to Obama, then to Biden, but at the same time shout about an independent Ukraine. laughing
  • Daniel K Offline Daniel K
    Daniel K (Daniil Koshevoy) 16 November 2023 03: 31
    -2
    The author burns, Ukraine is the founding country of the UN
    1. Beidodir Offline Beidodir
      Beidodir (Beidodir) 16 November 2023 07: 20
      +3
      He just knows better. And at the UN too
      https://research.un.org/ru/unmembers/founders
  • Daniel K Offline Daniel K
    Daniel K (Daniil Koshevoy) 16 November 2023 03: 42
    +1
    Quote: Sergey Tokarev
    Read your goals first. laughing As a result, crests should NEVER jump and shout against Russia. there is no need to capture them for this. It's enough to break your legs and tear out your tongue hi

    You can be at least a little smart, what does the official purpose of the SVO have to do with real actions? Indirect. The territories have already been annexed to Russia, you haven’t noticed. But for the purposes of the SVO, this is not the case. Do you see the gopher?
    1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
      Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 16 November 2023 09: 59
      -4
      does this mean that everything else should be attached? No. These territories primarily serve as a buffer, as the leadership has repeatedly said. The higher the damage radius of the crests’ weapon, the wider the buffer. Kherson is needed so that it does not fly across the Crimea. over the Crimea they shoot down and in Kherson it falls.
  • Foe Pshekov Offline Foe Pshekov
    Foe Pshekov (Arkady) 16 November 2023 05: 10
    +1
    The destruction of Ukraine has already begun. It’s funny to read about dill’s resistance and victories.
    Nothing will help. The people are stinking, there are almost no weapons, the elite troops have been thinned out. The surrender of territories after capitulation may extend all the way to the Polish border. The EU will not resist. They will not withstand a war with the Russians, no matter what means it is waged, conventional or full-scale. It's a matter of time and tension. And if suddenly the West wins, then we will simply hit them with nuclear loaves. And there is no Garden of Eden either in Europe or in the Americas.
    In fact, the main problem of the Russian government may, strangely enough, be the fear of taking responsibility, and maybe even cowardice. It would seem that only 33 years without Soviet power... and already a new generation of people who will have to be forced to live and work according to Russian laws and in the interests of Russia. It's complicated. But... if the previous rulers of Russia had been afraid of responsibility, then Russia would have remained a small appanage principality of Moscow.
    Therefore... everything that is on the map in red must enter (or rather... return) to Russia. This is the return of Russian territories taken away by deception through international treaties and the actions of the enemies of the Russian Federation. Give time to choose - leave for the EU or stay to serve Russia's local population. That's all.
    Regarding other territories. There is a topic for negotiations and discussions here. With neighbors. Most likely, Transcarpathia (or part of it) will have to be given to the Hungarians/Slovaks. The small western part of the Lviv region - to the Poles. A small part of Bukovina goes to the Romanians. Perhaps... yes, perhaps not. For the future Ukraine - as a buffer state - neutral and not part of military blocs will consist of part of Transcarpathia, part of Lviv, part of Chernivtsi, Ternopil and Ivano-Frankivsk regions. And that’s all... We can give this away - these are disputed territories that do not bring any economic or political benefit. Anyone who disagrees with the fact that the Ukrainian SSR is part of Russia by right of conquest by the Russian Tsars can go to live in this mini Ukraine or the EU. How will we build relationships with them? For starters, a concrete ditch, a wall and 100 meters of minefields. Fascist non-humans do not deserve more respect. No economic ties by law for 100 years. A ban on visiting the Russian Federation by citizens of this Bandera Ukraine for 100 years.
  • Vasily Sergeevich (Vasily Sergeevich) 16 November 2023 06: 50
    +1
    Quote: RUR
    About the empire - it’s true, not only the Roman and Byzantine empires disappeared, but also the Romans and Byzantines themselves... this is the law of the development of empires... imperial peoples dissolve and disappear without a trace

    The Persians have not disappeared, but they also have serious plans. The Assyrians, Copts and Chinese did not disappear. here the grandmother said for two.
    1. RUR Offline RUR
      RUR 18 November 2023 21: 54
      +1
      https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-modern-Iranians-and-ancient-Iranians-in-terms-of-their-ethnic-background-as-we-know-it-today

      but most Iranians have a large proportion of their modern ethnic gene pool. Say if you're Persian, you'll be mostly Persian with minority add mixtures.

      those. modern Iranians are a different people, Copts, Assyrians are relatively few in number and Copts are the poorest in Egypt - many are engaged in recycling waste... - are almost dying out.. some Chinese empires were created by the Mughals and peoples north of the Chinese wall - the latter were assimilated and disappeared completely... The British and French are on the verge of creating new ethnic groups and cultures with millions of new citizens from the colonies and with "historical" films with Africans in the roles of kings, queens, etc.

      And Russia with its Tajiks and Kyrgyz is not going anywhere... quite Turkic/oriental already now with Tatar and Ugric influence
  • borisvt Offline borisvt
    borisvt (boris) 16 November 2023 07: 33
    -2
    It seems that a more rational solution would be to forcibly demilitarize it and give it the status of a broad national-cultural autonomy under the joint protectorate of Russia and Belarus

    What a good offer, which the racers are unlikely to accept in the current and even next year’s situation. We must wait for a concrete weakening of the mattress covers, economic and political to begin with, and then military, this will take time. Well, okay, changing the Western ideology to a pro-Russian-neutral one, not to mention a pro-Russian-positive one, will not happen right away either
  • anclevalico Offline anclevalico
    anclevalico (Victor) 16 November 2023 07: 52
    +3
    This is not a solution to the issue. It's not even half-hearted. This will, in fact, reset the results of the SBO.
  • Elena123 Offline Elena123
    Elena123 (elena) 16 November 2023 09: 41
    0
    In general, Moldova will never join Romania. Moldova is an ancient principality and has nothing in common with Romania. There are no idiots there who would give up their own state!
    And giving up Odessa, the entire Black Sea region and the entire left bank of the Dnieper would be blasphemy, a betrayal of the Russian people.
  • Patron Offline Patron
    Patron 16 November 2023 11: 21
    +3
    As they say, they are already dividing the skin of an unkilled animal).
    1. scolopendra Offline scolopendra
      scolopendra (Kirill Sazonov) 19 November 2023 00: 17
      +1
      This is a national pastime. Plus, coloring maps with pencils is fun and safe; it’s not like storming trenches in the rain.
  • pavel spb Offline pavel spb
    pavel spb (Pavel Tipin) 16 November 2023 13: 01
    -2
    The main task for Russia seems to be to secure its borders so that its neighbors are at least neutral states. For this, the situation in Ukraine should be an illustrative example, namely what the Russian Empire practiced in relation to Poland: division of territory. All of Ukraine's neighbors should be invited to discuss their territorial claims.
  • Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
    Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 16 November 2023 14: 19
    -1
    Dreams Dreams, where is your sweetness!
    The dreams are gone, all that remains is crap!


    All these dreams from the point of view of the winners! But such a victory... is not a fact. In this case, the combat unit of the army needs to be doubled, naturally equipping it with modern weapons. In the short term this is unlikely. In the long run it will lead to the ruin of Russia. Yes, and Russian-speaking Ukrainians in most cases have ancestors of Ukrainian-speaking Ukrainians. For many of them, Ukrainian is not a foreign language, although it is not required.
  • staer-62 Offline staer-62
    staer-62 (Andrei) 16 November 2023 15: 16
    -2
    I write under the influence of emotions. In Western Ukraine, demolish all the buildings, Banderaites, and there you won’t be able to fix all of them, to Europe, the territory is a buffer, a protected zone. Let the wild boars and elk live. In Central there is a quarantine for 50-100 years. Emotions will subside, old people will die out like generations of Soviet Ukrainians died out, new people will come from the earth because there will be no production. In any case, people must get over the disease themselves, and this is a long process for more than one generation. You can’t prove anything to the current people, so let them live on their own, cut them off from everyone, don’t supply anything and don’t give anything to others.
  • Kiril Offline Kiril
    Kiril (Kiril) 16 November 2023 19: 37
    +4
    There is no need to divide anything - it’s all Russian land
  • Jstas Offline Jstas
    Jstas (jstas) 16 November 2023 21: 31
    +1
    Do not share the skin of an unkilled hyena. Until the NATO bitch is buried in the ground, it’s better to keep quiet...
  • Sergei N Offline Sergei N
    Sergei N (Sergey N) 16 November 2023 22: 03
    0
  • rwolf66 Offline rwolf66
    rwolf66 (Wolf) 16 November 2023 22: 19
    +5
    What kind of division can we talk about when we do not have a clear agenda for our own population within the country, not to mention the population of the territories that may become part of the state. Why did the Reds win the civil war? Because, firstly, they had a clear agenda - to put it simply, a world without capitalists and masters, and secondly, a policy of strict military communism (which in essence was not much different from Sharia law) which was expressed in surplus appropriation, mobilization and a clearly organized military and political structure. The result was a complete victory over numerically superior and trained troops who had the help of the West, but the agenda for the restoration of the monarchy or something else was not really formed. Today, capitalists and the top GDP manager they hired have a poor understanding of what needs to be done and how. On the territory of new regions in schools!!!!! retain bilingualism - this is generally nonsense for the Federation. The root of the evil with Banderaism always lay in the presence of Russian and Ukrainian schools - and today no conclusion has been made. The agenda is even worse, but what if we win, we will pay pensions and benefits to the Bandera Azovites, etc., who have lost their health? Or pay pensions to their widows for the loss of their breadwinner? Where are the answers? There is none of them. Against this background, the verdict was passed on the fake-smearing scum Skochilenko, several dozen of her supporters are jumping around the court, chanting something, rejoicing and no one beats their brains out.
    1. Lisa Kerner Offline Lisa Kerner
      Lisa Kerner 17 November 2023 18: 01
      +2
      Yes, somehow they hoped for GDP after the traitors Gorbachev and Yeltsin....
      But...GVP was a diligent student of the ardent anti-communist A. Sobchak and still protects his widow and daughter, who quite openly act as enemies of Russia!!!
      And VVP keeps the liberalist (and also a student of Sobchak) Medvedev and the liberalist Peskova near him... And everyone believes in friendship with ErdoAdolv the Turkish...
      What else to say...
      But all the same, Russia must win, although without a worthy anti-capitalist ideology it will be VERY HARD!!!!
  • staer-62 Offline staer-62
    staer-62 (Andrei) 17 November 2023 05: 29
    +1
    Everything comes from Europe. All the troubles in Ukraine and Russia and other countries are from Europe. The USA can't do anything without Europe. If you want peace, punish Europe so that the Second World War will seem like little flowers to them. Europe is on our borders, it is a thousand-year-old enemy, the USA is behind a puddle. All those who died in Ukraine and Russia were the work of Europe, its politicians, weapons, money. Europe does not hide its hatred and desire to destroy us, and our politicians continue to hope for future cooperation, as all Russian emperors and our general secretaries hoped, receiving war and death in return.
    1. Lisa Kerner Offline Lisa Kerner
      Lisa Kerner 17 November 2023 17: 50
      +1
      Error! The whole problem is the USA. Europe is simply their vasalla.
      Whatever the US orders, the EU carries out!
  • BaTHuK333 Offline BaTHuK333
    BaTHuK333 (I. Ha) 17 November 2023 09: 14
    0
    There are STRATEGIC underground gas storage facilities in Galicia! These are depleted gas fields that are used as storage facilities. UGS facilities for supplying Europe with gas. Therefore, Russia will not give Galicia to anyone.
  • bobnew2017 Offline bobnew2017
    bobnew2017 (Bobylev Alexey) 17 November 2023 09: 32
    0
    The process of liberation of Ukraine can no longer be stopped by any “carrots”. Ukroreich will be destroyed completely and forever, all the lands to the last inch of the former Soviet Ukraine will be liberated from the brown plague!
  • Victor M. Offline Victor M.
    Victor M. (Victor) 17 November 2023 11: 04
    0
    The goal was announced from the beginning of the operation. And those who dream of feeding the zapukria and making a showcase out of it, like in the USSR, would not hurt to ask others, do they need it?
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  • Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Alexander) 17 November 2023 15: 53
    +2
    Creating all sorts of buffer states is stupid because they will always twist the Russian Federation’s arms by engaging in political blackmail... today to the smart, tomorrow to the beautiful... in general, like a monkey from a joke, and the Russian Federation does not need this... Another dubious ally and 100 % a freeloader of the Russian Federation is definitely not needed... Here we need to take an example from Israel and clear the territory of Bandera’s followers, and if someone in Moscow has little guts, then it’s better for them to resign.. Even the USSR failed to rehabilitate Bandera’s followers and this is a waste of time ...
    1. Lisa Kerner Offline Lisa Kerner
      Lisa Kerner 17 November 2023 17: 48
      +3
      ...only one thing I ask of you! Don’t cite Israel as a positive example, which is now acting purely fascist, killing children and civilians precisely according to the fascist and American example!!!!
  • Lisa Kerner Offline Lisa Kerner
    Lisa Kerner 17 November 2023 17: 44
    +3
    There is a Ukrainian assistance center in the city of Rostov...
    Peskov (*approx. GDP) is an obvious liberal and a fan of the West...
    Smersh is still not organized...
    Yeltsin Center * Center of the Fifth Column is still financed from the state budget...
    Russian intelligence is sleeping on a bench....
    Bandera members are openly successfully recruiting Russians to carry out terrorist attacks on Russian territory...
    The entire Internet is laughing about Kadyrov and his 18-year-old son.... multiple order bearer * for what???? and now also the Minister of Sports...
    And the SVO, which they started too late!!!!! stretches and stretches.
    It hurts and my soul is heavy for every Russian and pre-Bassian who died....and they are all on the conscience of Putin, who dragged his feet for too long and surrounded himself with many UNpatriots!!!
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  • vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 17 November 2023 18: 01
    +3
    The actions of the Russian authorities show that they do not plan to go to the western borders, the maximum is the liberation of the territories of the LDPR, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions. The authorities of the Russian Federation are looking for how to end the war, return to previous times, return to Courchevel, they are not interested in the peoples of the Russian Federation and Ukraine. The goal of power is to preserve forever its power, looted wealth, and the opportunity to rob in the future. The reformatting of the power of the Russian Federation can only take place under pressure from the West - NATO, when it is driven into a corner and has no choice.
  • Flight Offline Flight
    Flight (voi) 18 November 2023 02: 42
    0
    Quote: Beydodyr
    You don’t have to read any further... The USSR was the founding country of the UN, and Stalin simply added Ukraine and Belarus to the heap so that there would be more votes during the voting. There was no “country of Ukraine” in 1945.

    https://research.un.org/ru/unmembers/founders

    Does this mean that the RSFSR has nothing to do with the founding of the UN? The Russian Federation is the legal successor of the USSR. But the USSR has nothing to do with the Republic of Ingushetia and Rus'. Maybe the Russian Federation is the successor to the Golden Horde?
    1. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
      vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 19 November 2023 13: 21
      0
      President of Russia V.V. Putin, in his speech in Veliky Novgorod, dedicated to the 1160th anniversary of the birth of Russian statehood, said: “Russia cherishes all the pages of its history and will not repeat the mistakes of underestimating the importance of its own sovereignty. Today's Russia is the legal successor of both Ancient Rus', and the Muscovite kingdom, and the Russian Empire, and the Soviet Union. All these are pages of our history, we will never give up on them, we will not rewrite history to please the political situation. The history of the country makes it stronger. And the main lesson of history is that it is mortally dangerous for Russia to weaken its sovereignty even for a while, to abandon national interests.”
      Russia did not transfer, sell or donate its territories, as well as its foreign assets, to the former Soviet republics of the USSR.
      It is necessary legislatively for the Russian Federation-Russia, as the legal successor of the Russian Empire and the USSR, and as the owner of the territory of the former union republic of the USSR Ukraine, to secure for Russia the ownership of this territory within the borders of 1975 (Helsinki Agreements), unilaterally.
      These are words, unfortunately, actions and deeds often go in the opposite direction.
      1. Flight Offline Flight
        Flight (voi) 20 November 2023 03: 03
        0
        This figure didn’t say anything, for example, about commitment to family values, and now he claims that

        LGBT representatives are also part of society and have the right to win competitions in the field of culture, Russian President Vladimir Putin said at the plenary...

        In general, “our” president is crooked and cunning, but this does not benefit our homeland and its population.
  • Roy Offline Roy
    Roy (Yuri) 18 November 2023 19: 53
    -1
    Under no circumstances should the whole of Ukraine be annexed. There should remain a small piece of land that will be called Ukraine.
    Firstly, someone must remain who will have to pay the external debts of the former Ukraine, and secondly, if all of Ukraine is annexed, then it will be necessary to make all former military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Russian citizens, pay them pensions and even provide them with benefits.
    In addition, today there are already about 3 million disabled people in Ukraine. A significant part of them became disabled during the war.
    Should Russia really support them from its budget?
    1. strange guest Offline strange guest
      strange guest (Strange Guest) 19 November 2023 13: 03
      +1
      Where is there such confidence that all these disabled people and participants will move to a “small piece of land”? That's not a fact at all.
    2. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
      vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 19 November 2023 13: 27
      +1
      There is only one decision on Ukraine in favor of the people of Russia. The state of Ukraine must cease to exist. The entire territory of Ukraine should return to Russia, in the form of regions. There is no need to ask permission from anyone, everything must be done unilaterally. There is no state, Ukraine, no debts, no government of Ukraine in exile, no legal Bandera, no Ukrainian participants in various international organizations, no hostile state on the border of the Russian Federation. Russia will strengthen its economic and military-political influence in the world, there will be direct access to the EU countries. NATO will no longer be able to use Ukraine against Russia. The northwestern part of the Black Sea will belong to Russia.
      Even if part of the state of Ukraine is left, then today and in the future, Russia will always have an enemy in the person of Ukraine. Ukraine will definitely join NATO and will definitely attack Russia. Everything that is promised and will be spelled out in the Constitution of Ukraine, in its documents, Ukraine will change, in the way that is beneficial to the United States and its satellites.
      In the world, only the rule of the strong works perfectly; all agreements on paper are no more expensive than the paper itself.
      1. strange guest Offline strange guest
        strange guest (Strange Guest) 19 November 2023 16: 28
        0
        Have we still not had direct access to the EU countries? Open the map.
  • Filimon61 Offline Filimon61
    Filimon61 19 November 2023 05: 05
    +1
    Read to

    ... the whole state of Ukraine, one of the founding countries of the UN....

    I see no point in reading further.
  • pentwer Offline pentwer
    pentwer (Bakhtiyar) 20 November 2023 16: 20
    0
    Agreeing with the author regarding the proposed options for resolving the future fate of the eastern regions and the central part of Ukraine, I think that in relation to the western regions it would be possible to act without much mental anguish by dividing these regions between Poland, Hungary and other neighbors of Ukraine. Then these cut up and transferred parts would not pose a threat to Russia in the future. Well, or at least until the process of assimilation in the central and eastern regions into Russian statehood is completed. And then the western region of used Ukraine would not pose a danger. After all, even for the entry of the eastern regions, time is required to cleanse the brains of the inhabitants of these regions, filled with dill propaganda. In the future, it would be possible, without fear of the “internal enemy” in the form of “zhdunov”, to pursue a policy of countering enemy work aimed at splitting society in Russia on the territory of used Ukraine