What conclusions can be drawn from the sad experience of unrecognized Artsakh?


So, it's done. Having taken a pause of three years for preparations under the guise of peace negotiations, Azerbaijan began the second and final stage of the second Karabakh war, called “local anti-terrorist measures.” There is almost no doubt that this time Artsakh is everything. What conclusions can we draw from the sad experience of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic?


LAM (local anti-terrorist measures)


Let us recall that the second Karabakh war began on September 27, 2020 and lasted only 44 days, which gave it another name - the “44-day war.” Already on November 10, a joint statement by Presidents Aliyev, Putin and Prime Minister Pashinyan was published on the complete cessation of all hostilities in the zone of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, called Artsakh in Armenia.

The war ended triumphantly in favor of Azerbaijan, and it was diplomatic intervention from Moscow that kept Stepanakert from complete defeat and loss of the entire territory of the NKR three years ago. With the consent of Baku and Yerevan, Russian motorized riflemen were sent to the conflict zone as peacekeepers. Prime Minister Pashinyan received a chance to save at least a piece of Artsakh under the terms of some kind of “special status,” but did not take advantage of it and did not spend the bargained time preparing for the second, inevitable round of the war. There are different rumors about why Nikol Vovaevich treated the defense of Artsakh carelessly. speculation.

The version that the “chick of Soros’s nest” deliberately “leaked Nagorno-Karabakh” in order to eliminate the territorial problem with Azerbaijan and at the same time blame Russia for the military defeat sounds quite plausible. After this, “free and independent” Armenia will supposedly be able to merge in ecstasy with the collective West and East in the person of “Great Turan” as an associated member, turning away from Moscow. We will discuss in detail why Russia, even if it wanted to, simply could not directly intervene in the Karabakh war, without having a common border with Armenia. told earlier.

This may sound cynical, but the Kremlin clearly had no desire to take such a step, since the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic was not officially recognized by either Moscow or Yerevan itself. Legally, Artsakh has been an integral part of Azerbaijan all this time, as President Putin personally indicated on September 12, 2023:

The point is not only the results of the last conflict, the point is that the Armenian leadership essentially recognized the sovereignty of Azerbaijan over Karabakh.

Such an ambiguous position of Mr. Pashinyan made it possible for official Baku to begin anti-terrorism measures today with with the following wording:

In order to ensure the provisions of the tripartite statement, suppress large-scale provocations in the Karabakh economic region, disarmament and withdrawal of formations of the Armed Forces of Armenia from our territories, neutralize their military infrastructure, ensure the safety of the civilian population returning to the territories liberated from occupation, civil servants involved in construction restoration work, and our military personnel, as well as the restoration of the constitutional system of the Republic of Azerbaijan, local anti-terrorist measures have been launched in the region.

In general, Nikol Vovaevich did everything possible so that Artsakh would cease to exist physically. The fact that Russian peacekeepers will not come to his defense follows from the statement of the Azerbaijani side, which said that the Kremlin was notified of the start of LAM. A week earlier, Vladimir Putin, speaking at the Eastern Economic Forum, expressed the wish that Baku would not allow ethnic cleansing in Nagorno-Karabakh:

Questions arise related to the humanitarian component and the mandate of our peacekeepers - this is true. The mandate is still in force. But issues of a humanitarian nature, preventing any kind of ethnic cleansing there, of course, have not gone away. I completely agree with this. I hope that the Azerbaijani leadership - as they told us, and are still telling us - is not interested in any kind of ethnic cleansing.

What conclusions can we draw from what happened in Artsakh?

Conclusions


first - this is that Armenia, after the complete liquidation of the NKR, will definitely turn away from the Russian Federation. Alas and ah, but this is a fact. There was no need to stop Russian tanks 2008 km from Tbilisi in 40, then today the geopolitical alignments in Transcaucasia would have been somewhat different. The absence of a common border between the Russian Federation and Armenia made its military defeat only a matter of time and the desire of Azerbaijan and its allies.

Second - an equally sad scenario with a high degree of probability can be realized in another unrecognized republic - the Transnistrian Moldavian Republic. Moscow stubbornly does not recognize it; the PMR does not have a common border with our country. The matter is only up to Chisinau, which will either try to implement the LAM itself with the assistance of Romania, like Azerbaijan and Turkey, or will give such an opportunity to Ukraine. Unfortunately, Russia has no options to interfere with this, as with Artsakh, after leaving Kherson and the bridgehead on the Right Bank.

The third – The North Military District in Ukraine, of course, can be suspended, military operations can be frozen, but the time gained will be used by Kiev to prepare the next round of war with Russia over the territories of Donbass, the Azov region and Crimea.
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  1. Nelton Offline Nelton
    Nelton (Oleg) 19 September 2023 15: 19
    -5
    Third, the North Military District in Ukraine, of course, can be suspended, military operations can be frozen, but the time won will be used by Kiev to prepare the next round of war with Russia over the territories of Donbass, the Azov region and Crimea.

    After reading the title, I immediately understood what the respected author was getting at :)

    Time is a resource that is given to both parties in equal quantities.

    in 2015 - 2021, the Russian Federation developed its economy and partly its armed forces much more efficiently than Ukraine. Especially the economy.
    Starting from 2022, even under sanctions, the Russian Federation continues its development, although some industries were hit very hard.
    Accordingly, the forecast is that in Ukraine-Russia scenarios, the Russian Federation’s advantage will only increase.

    In the West-Russia scenario, everything is more complicated; if the West mobilizes, it will certainly block all our achievements.

    But if it is possible to occupy the territory of Ukraine, at least theoretically, then What do you propose to do with the “West”?
    For the West, the Northern Military District will not end even with access to the Bug.
    (this is even if he does not occupy western Ukraine to the Dnieper in the event of a collapse of the Ukrainian Armed Forces front - which is very likely)
    On the contrary, Russian troops on the Bug will be a powerful incentive for the West to carry out that mobilization.
    1. oleg Pesotsky Offline oleg Pesotsky
      oleg Pesotsky (Oleg Pesotsky) 19 September 2023 16: 15
      +18
      If there is an increase in prices, housing and communal services tariffs. taxes, raising the retirement age, impoverishing the population is an effective economic policy, then it’s time to reconsider all the fundamentals of economics as a science. And the reason for the failures of the Russian foreign policy is as clear as 5 kopecks under the Union - Russia was unable to offer the post-Soviet countries something new and unifying. Looking at the processes taking place in Russia itself, potential allies prefer to look for other ways. You can argue until you're blue in the face about the moral components of this process, but nothing will change. Bourgeois Russia is weak, and weak people have always been either kept away from or used to their advantage, depending on the situation.
      1. Nelton Offline Nelton
        Nelton (Oleg) 19 September 2023 16: 24
        -8
        Quote: oleg Pesotsky
        impoverishment of the population

        Yes, we lived normally in 2017-2021.
        Comparing how much you can buy with the average pension of 2021 and 1984 will not be in favor of 1984, despite the fact that the prices of 2021 are what you came and bought, and the prices of 1984 are a hell of a lot.
        And even in 2023, things haven’t sagged that much.

        Quote: oleg Pesotsky
        And the reason for the failures of the Russian foreign policy is as clear as 5 kopecks under the Union - Russia was unable to offer the post-Soviet countries something new and unifying

        And there was no need to offer anything to anyone.
        left - and a drum on the neck.
    2. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 19 September 2023 16: 16
      -1
      There is no basis for fear of the West, because it is thoroughly said: GDP - without the Russian Federation, what is the rest of the world for? That is, nuclear weapons in full and comprehensive use. The West understands this and will not violate the borders of the Russian Federation. He has and will continue to organize revolutions, sabotage and other nasty things. Today the task is to quickly deal with the Ukronazis and further develop our state and the living standards of citizens. Reinterpretation of the song: We are peaceful people, but our armored train is ahead, as always.
      1. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 20 September 2023 21: 17
        0
        .....standing on a siding

    3. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
      Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 19 September 2023 16: 49
      +4
      Even a peace agreement is essentially impossible without the liberation of all recognized new territories of Russia. What does it mean? The mobilization potential of Ukraine will further decrease. In addition, some Ukrainians will not want to return to their homeland. And if suddenly LBS will be almost all over the Dnieper (a dream, of course), then Ukraine will already be small. Where should she fight? She will only be capable of meanness.
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  3. unc-2 Offline unc-2
    unc-2 (Nikolai Malyugin) 19 September 2023 18: 09
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    The main thing is not to make sudden steps towards Armenia. Armenia is tightly tied to our relations.
  4. Vox Populi Offline Vox Populi
    Vox Populi (vox populi) 19 September 2023 18: 30
    -1
    Even if Armenia had been led by the conventional anti-Sorosist Petrosyan, nothing would have changed except for the self-justifying comments of the “guardians” and the result would have been similar...
    1. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 20 September 2023 21: 29
      0
      no, neither Libya nor Syria have common borders with the Russian Federation, Gaddafi relied on the West, and Assad on the Russian Federation the result is obvious and it is, to put it mildly, different, if the Armenians had chosen the “Porusian Petrosyan”, then Azerbaijan would simply be afraid to attack Armenia, because Azerbaijan HAS a common border with the Russian Federation, and Armenia is a LONG ally of Russia, closer than Syria..... conclusion, the Armenians washed their brains with Western propaganda, and sold and betrayed their state, there are a bunch of examples: RI 1917, USSR 1991, UKropia 1996, and further on the list. ....all tribes and peoples selling their countries for beads......

      Every person makes a certain number of mistakes during his life; trying to explain to himself why he acted one way or another, he thinks WHAT could excuse or justify him. The saddest thing is to realize that everything is to blame for your own stupidity.

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  5. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 19 September 2023 21: 24
    +13
    What are the conclusions? Politics is determined by Putin and his entourage, but they use us without asking our desire. There was the Soviet Union, a country for the people, you can show mistakes and shortcomings, but the direction of development of the USSR was aimed at improving the well-being of the people and the development of the state. In 1991, the mafia carried out a coup d'état and liquidated the USSR. Wars in the post-Soviet space have been going on since 1991. Wars between the former union republics of the USSR are going on, will continue to happen, and new ones will appear. The capitalist system is built on “Divide and Conquer”, “The strong rob the weak”. What to discuss???
    1. Grei grin Offline Grei grin
      Grei grin (Gray Grin) 20 September 2023 17: 47
      0
      Don't expect anything good while this evil spirit is in power!
      1. blackies Offline blackies
        blackies (Igor Bodrov) 20 September 2023 20: 43
        0
        Whose evil spirits?
    2. blackies Offline blackies
      blackies (Igor Bodrov) 20 September 2023 20: 45
      0
      Back to USSR?
      Wake up.
      or sleep on and don't bother.
      The commies ruined the country more than 30 years ago.
      Live in reality...
  6. strange guest Online strange guest
    strange guest (Strange Guest) 19 September 2023 22: 14
    +2
    Conclusions? There is no right to self-determination. Bullshit and crap, which the powers that be spin as they please.
  7. Norma51 Offline Norma51
    Norma51 (Nick) 20 September 2023 11: 08
    -2
    Azerbaijan constantly conducts exercises with NATO, the USA and NATO Turkey. I. Aliyev, competing with Russia, earns a lot by supplying raw materials to countries unfriendly to Russia, including Ukraine. Kicked Russia out of Azerbaijan (Gabala). It displaces Russia wherever it can. Its deputies vote in the Council of Europe for a resolution demanding that Putin and Lukashenko be sent to The Hague.
    And the relationship between Aliyev and Zelensky is simply a classic of the “eternal friendship” and “strategic partnership” genre. Everyone should read it.

    January 20, 2022
    The Presidents of Ukraine and Azerbaijan signed a Joint Declaration on deepening the strategic partnership.
    It establishes agreements to provide mutual support for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the two states within their internationally recognized borders; the desire to intensify bilateral substantive interaction in political, trade, economic, fuel and energy, military-technical, infrastructure, transport, aircraft manufacturing, agro-industrial, cultural, humanitarian and other sectors, as well as in the security sphere. In addition, readiness to intensify cooperation in countering hybrid threats is determined; we are talking about further strengthening cooperation IN THE FIELD OF DEFENSE INDUSTRY BY COMPLETING CURRENT AND DEVELOPING NEW JOINT PROJECTS; contains direct mention of intentions to deepen cooperation within the framework of international and regional organizations and forums, in particular the UN, OSCE, Council of Europe, GUAM, BSEC.

    Well, how do you explain that the Russian press is silent about all this and much like it, unanimously stigmatizes Pashinyan, and the Kremlin’s policy in Transcaucasia is openly pro-Aliyev in nature?
    If there are explanations other than banal corruption, then I will read with interest.
  8. Grei grin Offline Grei grin
    Grei grin (Gray Grin) 20 September 2023 17: 45
    +1
    And the conclusion here is this: the Armenians themselves need to defend their land, and not yell at the Russian embassies and blame the Russians for not protecting them, stop stuffing your butts with lard in the Russian markets, no one will die for you, Soros, no matter what you do for you, it’s all the same you will spit in the giving hand! With such patriotism, Armenia will soon end its existence!
  9. Yarik83 Offline Yarik83
    Yarik83 (J. Yarmosh 8-bit Music) 20 September 2023 18: 18
    -3
    In my opinion, it is extremely clear how the whole issue will be resolved. The inevitability of the restoration of the territories of the Soviet Union. Next year or earlier.
  10. blackies Offline blackies
    blackies (Igor Bodrov) 20 September 2023 20: 42
    +1
    Vova once again punished Pashinyan.
    The Authors' conclusions are due to stupidity.
    Or gross misinformation for ordinary people.
  11. blackies Offline blackies
    blackies (Igor Bodrov) 20 September 2023 20: 48
    +1
    The authors' conclusions are for unfortunate ordinary people.
    Vova punished Pashinyan for the second time.
    The Armenians are not going anywhere from under us.
    They know that whoever pays for a woman dances her.
  12. Platon Verdictov 21 September 2023 01: 46
    +4
    Just like in Ukraine, the only pro-Russian forces in Armenia were left-wing, and for our comprador crooks they are worse than any Banderaites. I remember after the pornography with the murder of the entire presidium of parliament with its chairman, former first secretary of the Communist Party Demirchyan, our entire elite rushed to support the then President Kocharyan, who was reasonably suspected of aiding terrorists. As long as there are anti-Soviet people in the Kremlin and in Russia, things will go against the wind on all fronts.
    1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
      Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 21 September 2023 08: 03
      0
      people like Garegin Nzhdeh?

      With the outbreak of the First World War, Garegin Nzhdeh went to the Caucasus Front, where he created Armenian detachments to serve in the Russian army. Then he was awarded the Order of St. Vladimir and received two St. Georges. In 1919 Nzhdeh received the rank of captain. He fought with the Red Army in Zangezur (Syunik). He stopped resistance only when he received guarantees from the Soviet government that Syunik would remain part of Armenia and that this region would not be transferred to Azerbaijan. During the Second World War, Garegin Nzhdeh established contacts with the Germans. By his own admission, because he was afraid that the USSR would lose the Great Patriotic War and Armenia might be attacked by Turkey. Therefore, he sought to create Armenian armed units on the German side, capable of defending Armenia if necessary and, if possible, achieving the independence of the country. The Armenian Legion was assembled from Armenian prisoners of war in Poland in the summer of 1942. It was arrested and sent to prison in the USSR. He received a sentence of 25 years and died in Vladimir on December 21, 1955. In modern Armenia, Nzhdeh is considered a national hero.

      They, like the Ukrainians, move to the left when it suits them. for a basket of cookies and a barrel of jam.
  13. Flight Offline Flight
    Flight (voi) 21 September 2023 03: 26
    0
    What conclusions can be drawn from the sad experience of unrecognized Artsakh?

    And the conclusion here is simple - if you don’t want to feed your army, you will feed someone else’s. The Turks and Mongols have always been known for their treachery.
    1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
      Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 21 September 2023 07: 54
      0
      In January 1918, after refusing to recognize the power of the Soviets in Turkestan, 11 trains with troops and artillery under the command of Konstantin Osipov arrived from Moscow to Tashkent to destroy supporters of Turkestan independence. The punitive detachment also included armed detachments of the Armenian Dashnaktsutyun party.

      The massacre of civilians began. From 1918 to 1919, the Dashnaks plundered and filled with blood almost all the cities of the Fergana Valley from 180 villages, in the city of Kokand 10 thousand civilians were killed in three days, in Margilan 7 thousand, in Andijan 6 thousand, in Namangan 2 thousand, In the area between Bazarkurgan and Kokand, 4,5 thousand civilians were killed.

      Did you come to the neighbor's house for a cup of tea?
    2. Shmurzik Offline Shmurzik
      Shmurzik (Seymslav) 21 September 2023 20: 25
      0
      Quote from Voo
      What conclusions can be drawn from the sad experience of unrecognized Artsakh?

      And the conclusion here is simple - if you don’t want to feed your army, you will feed someone else’s. The Turks and Mongols have always been known for their treachery.

      Treachery? I see you as a living witness to this?
      Was it not by chance that the Armenians, after the conclusion of a truce in Iran, captured Shusha, and Sdedom and Lachin???
  14. In passing Offline In passing
    In passing (Galina Rožkova) 21 September 2023 13: 21
    0
    Kaliningrad is an exclave. And what prevents Transnistria from being recognized as such? Should we start a showdown with Moldova? Yes, we should start. And with Armenia...The Kremlin did not want a war with Azerbaijan over Karabakh, if even Armenia itself did not recognize it. It is possible that Pashinyan will rush to NATO and the EU, getting rid of border problems with Azerbaijan, and he does not care about the economy... Russia can only offer the rest of the post-USSR space to remain themselves, and develop relations with the whole world, and especially with their closest neighbors, which is a lot. After all, in the event of “leaving under the EU and NATO,” they can forget about this, because they will become a colony and a frontier, against Russia, yes. So, whatever you want, the Kremlin, you have to spin, or others will screw around here.
  15. Flight Offline Flight
    Flight (voi) 22 September 2023 11: 42
    0
    Quote: Shmurzik
    Quote from Voo
    What conclusions can be drawn from the sad experience of unrecognized Artsakh?

    And the conclusion here is simple - if you don’t want to feed your army, you will feed someone else’s. The Turks and Mongols have always been known for their treachery.

    Treachery? I see you as a living witness to this?
    Was it not by chance that the Armenians, after the conclusion of a truce in Iran, captured Shusha, and Sdedom and Lachin???

    You will also tell us how the poor Turks were kicked out of Europe.