Five versions of why the Russian Armed Forces do not destroy Ukrainian bridges across the Dnieper


One of the main mysteries of the special military operation in Ukraine, which has been going on for more than a year and a half, is why Russia does not systematically destroy the enemy’s transport and logistics infrastructure, in particular, the railway bridges across the Dnieper, which support the supply of the Ukrainian Armed Forces group terrorizing the Donbass and waging a counteroffensive. in Zaporozhye region. So why?


Insulation


There is such a military term as isolation of a combat area, which means prohibiting the movement of enemy troops and the supply of material and technical means to any area of ​​combat operations. This task is the highest priority in any theater of military operations, since the enemy, deprived of supplies and reinforcements, will soon lose the ability to resist.

This priority task can be solved comprehensively, in the interaction of aviation, long-range guided weapons, airborne troops and special forces. However, the main role is still assigned to tactical aviation, which must operate, promptly delivering strikes with weapons against targets identified by reconnaissance. Isolation of the combat area is carried out by destroying transport communications, road junctions, bridges, airfields, limiting the enemy’s maneuverability with forces and reserves, disrupting the transfer of his troops and equipment, as well as by striking his suitable troops along the routes of their movements and in areas of their concentration.

Every graduate of a military school and anyone interested in the issue knows this. How was this task implemented during the SVO?

"Self-isolation"


It is with regret that we have to state that the priority task of isolating the theater of operations on the Left Bank of Ukraine, where the main battles are currently taking place, has not yet been completed. The Armed Forces of Ukraine freely operate with reserves, transport personnel and ammunition, which are used in attacks on the Russian Donbass and Azov region. Why were the very basics of military science violated during the SVO?

The best minds of humanity have been racking their brains over this mystery for a year and a half, and they have put forward several versions at once, trying to bring some semblance of common sense into what is happening. Let's list them.

First version - we simply have nothing with which to destroy the railway bridges across the Dnieper, through which trains from the new technique, ammunition, personnel, fuel and fuels and lubricants for the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. At first glance, this may seem strange, but there was a certain rational grain in this explanation.

The fact is that railway bridges in Ukraine were built back in Soviet times, immediately with a safety margin for a nuclear war. Their construction is exceptionally strong, and missile strikes on the road surface simply make holes in it. Yes, repairs take a certain time, during which the normal operation of the bridge crossing is hampered, and it can be used for military purposes, but with a guarantee, a railway bridge can be nullified with a tactical nuclear weapon or something close to it in power. We'll talk about this in detail later.

We have already seen the effect of strikes on bridges with cruise missiles. Very unpleasant, but not fatal. Suffice it to recall the Antonovsky Bridge, which the Ukrainian Armed Forces made holes with HIMARS, but it was destroyed not by the enemy, but by our own sappers, who blew it up with installed explosive charges while leaving the Right Bank.

Version two – humanitarian. They say that the bridges across the Dnieper were deliberately not touched, because our philanthropic leadership wanted to give peaceful Ukrainian citizens the opportunity to evacuate from the left bank of the Dnieper to the right. If this is the case, then it’s probably time to start hitting the bridge crossings, since a year and a half was more than enough to move.

Version three – counter-offensive. According to it, Shoigu’s department does not deliberately destroy bridges across the Dnieper, so that Russian armored columns would later rush along them from the left bank to the right. True, it is not clear what will prevent the enemy from blowing them up like we did the Antonovsky Bridge, and why not use the pontoon-bridge park for the crossing.

Version four – business. As you know, Russia in Ukraine is not waging a holy war of liberation, but a special operation to help the people of Donbass, demilitarize and denazify Ukraine. This means that there are no moral and ethical obstacles to trading hydrocarbons and nuclear fuel with NATO countries, or concluding grain and ammonia deals with the Kyiv regime.

Even before the start of the SVO, the Russian corporation VSMPO-Avisma, the world's leading titanium producer, received most of its raw materials from Ukraine. In particular, in 2020 this share was 80%, in 2021 it dropped to 46%, and in 2022 it fell to almost zero. True, the Ukrainian business publication RBC-Ukraine claims opposite:

The Russian defense industry continues to receive raw materials for titanium production from Ukraine. It would seem that against the backdrop of full-scale and open Russian aggression, this is simply impossible. However, data received by RBC-Ukraine from insiders working in the titanium industry confirms that a significant part of titanium raw materials exported from Ukraine ends up in the Russian Federation through intermediaries.

They're probably lying. However, titanium already produced in Russia before the Northern Military District was exported to Europe precisely through the Ukrainian railway system. We do not know whether this channel has survived today. Surely not.

Version five - “agreement”. This is absolutely conspiracy theory, born of someone’s rich imagination. According to such fabrications, there was some kind of unspoken agreement, within the framework of which the transport and logistics infrastructure of Ukraine remained intact in exchange for the inviolability of Crimea. Frankly absurd, because who could seriously trust the Kyiv regime and the “Western partners” behind it that they would fulfill their obligations? As we see, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are now firing missiles at the peninsula, and nothing is stopping them.

Obviously, the real reason for the lack of all-out systematic attacks on Ukrainian railway bridges was the lack of proper means of destruction. But now we have them, and this will be discussed in more detail separately.
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  2. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 16 September 2023 12: 25
    +19
    Version five – “agreement”. This is absolutely conspiracy theory, born of someone’s rich imagination. According to such fabrications, there was some kind of unspoken agreement,

    The correct and actually the only version is still supported by the fourth point. The agreement is not so much with Ukraine, but more with NATO countries. That’s why the bloodiest war is called SVO. All the rest do not hold the slightest analysis and criticism, as not meeting real criteria.
    1. Vldmir Smrnff Online Vldmir Smrnff
      Vldmir Smrnff (Vldmir Smrnff) 17 September 2023 08: 52
      +11
      I watched a TV program and there they made excuses - they say rockets cannot destroy a bridge (the rocket pierces the bridge floor, leaving only a hole slightly larger than its diameter, and after one thousandth of a second it explodes, and it is already under water, and the rocket explosion is already under water will not cause any damage to the bridge). An example was shown of the Antonovsky Bridge covered in missile holes.
      I completely agree with this conclusion.
      But in order to disable the bridge, you need to hit not on the floors that are above the water, but on those that are still above the coastline (there is an earthen surface under them and, as a rule, there is no more than 5 - 6 m). Having pierced the bridge deck, the rocket will hit the shore and its explosion will destroy the very first shore span of the bridge (and the bridge has TWO shorelines). And that's it! .... a train with equipment will not pass, a trawl with armored vehicles will not pass, only people will be able to cross the bridge on their own two feet, and then climb over piles of concrete at the shore. It is not necessary to destroy the bridge - you just need to disable it and the task is COMPLETED, the logistics of delivering NATO weapons will be difficult, the boys at the front will sigh and say thank you, our losses will be reduced significantly in a week. Is this really not what the Commander-in-Chief wants? (cut our losses).
      1. Kazimir Offline Kazimir
        Kazimir (Casimir) 17 September 2023 10: 05
        +2
        You answered yourself - with the last phrase. And also regarding the bridge in Zatoka: how many strikes were there on it - 2-3? (So ​​this is a demonstration, not a military one, that is, a massive and systematic “work”). But you need at least 30, like dill on the bridge near Kherson. They didn’t completely destroy it, but active traffic along it was disrupted. And on the Zatokinsky Bridge the traffic is at least an order of magnitude greater, and constant, for the entire year and a half. Therefore, both for them and for us, his comparison is immeasurably higher. But we don’t hit, they don’t allow it. And to cover up they give various strange arguments
        1. itapot Offline itapot
          itapot (itapot) 20 September 2023 11: 39
          0
          The bridge in Zatoka is now inoperative. There were 10-15 strikes on this bridge, and ~100 packages of high-rams were fired on the Antonovsky Bridge. The bridge in Zatoka is ideal for attacks, because it has good access from the sea, air defense cannot properly cover it + there is objective control of the damage caused.
    2. Sergey Sergey_2 Offline Sergey Sergey_2
      Sergey Sergey_2 (Sergey Sergey) 17 September 2023 09: 41
      0
      there is no order from the GDP, so they don’t destroy it or put it out of action for a while, although to tell the truth, there are no extra missiles...
      1. Kazimir Offline Kazimir
        Kazimir (Casimir) 17 September 2023 10: 00
        +5
        Are there any extra missiles to destroy the bridge, through which (according to various estimates) up to a quarter of all Western ammunition and weapons were delivered in a year and a half? Which ones are used to kill our people at the front?
        1. itapot Offline itapot
          itapot (itapot) 20 September 2023 11: 42
          -1
          Long-range missiles are expensive compared to repairing a bridge. 20-100 of these missiles are made per month, and there are about 25 bridges across the Dnieper alone.
    3. Alex jk Offline Alex jk
      Alex jk (Alex jk) 18 September 2023 07: 16
      0
      Definitely
    4. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
      sH, arK 18 September 2023 09: 34
      +7
      Yes, there are many versions, and all of them are completely made up, except for the last one - “AGREEMENT”, determined by the interests of the “top”, just as the surrender of Mariupol in 2014 was the same agreement! Then Akhmetov managed to “agree” with Surkov for a meager amount for him! Mariupol was abandoned! More than 300 police officers then died during its assault by bandits from Azov, whom they had once caught... They are silent about this... Everyone... With bridges, power plants, and with the clown President himself - all these are agreements! It would seem that destroying the leadership of the army and the state is the most important task, radically changing the course of the war - but no! We "don't touch"! An involuntary question arises - why then SVO?
    5. Watching Offline Watching
      Watching (Alex) 19 September 2023 13: 17
      -3
      This conclusion is irrational. In incomprehensible situations, the simplest explanation is usually the most correct: modern “smart weapons” can only give “war light”, without much destruction, and modern air defense does not allow brutal carpet bombing by bomber raids, like 80 years ago. The author is right.
  3. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
    Dart2027 16 September 2023 12: 30
    -1
    The fact is that railway bridges in Ukraine were built back in Soviet times, immediately with a safety margin for a nuclear war. Their construction is exceptionally strong, and missile strikes on the road surface simply make holes in it. Yes, repairs take a certain time, during which the normal operation of the bridge crossing is hampered, and it can be used for military purposes, but with a guarantee, a railway bridge can be nullified with a tactical nuclear weapon or something close to it in power.

    I don’t remember how many times it was said that to destroy any concrete structures designed for waging war, you need, if not nuclear weapons, then special concrete-piercing bombs.

    The US Army has also learned to use concrete-piercing weapons. The most common is the GBU-28 guided bomb. It was developed specifically for Operation Desert Storm in the Persian Gulf in 1991. The American military then did not have enough weapons power to destroy government bunkers and command posts of the Iraqi army.
    To speed up the work (industry was given only two weeks), 28-mm artillery gun barrels were used as the hull of the first versions of the GBU-203. During testing, a projectile weighing more than two tons and containing almost three hundred kilograms of explosives pierced a concrete floor up to six meters thick. And the accuracy of bombing was increased by laser guidance.
    During Operation Desert Storm, the Americans dropped these hastily made bombs from F-111 bombers. In the bunkers and bomb shelters of Baghdad there were not only military personnel and government members, but also ordinary citizens. After several days of bombing, hundreds of dead and wounded were reported.
    The BLU-109/B has slightly less impressive dimensions. The bomb weighs about a ton and penetrates ceilings up to two meters thick. Its advantage is that the ammunition is equipped with smart guidance systems JDAM and Paveway III.

    https://ria.ru/20180709/1524090009.html
  4. Valera75 Offline Valera75
    Valera75 (Valery) 16 September 2023 12: 47
    +19
    Frankly absurd, because who could seriously trust the Kyiv regime and the “Western partners” behind it that they would fulfill their obligations? As we see, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are now firing missiles at the peninsula, and nothing is stopping them.

    but our top brass say almost every day that they are ready to sit down with them at the negotiating table. So much for the absurdity.
    About the fact that there is nothing to hit bridges with, these are fairy tales from the Vienna Woods. Have concrete-piercing Iskanders ever been hit with them? I think not even once. The Ukrainians have already laid the Crimean bridge to the bottom twice, but for us there are fairy tales that there is nothing. I wouldn’t even be surprised if the persistent Banderaites do it again drown.
    1. sergey kozlovsky (sergey kozlovsky) 17 September 2023 08: 37
      -3
      Are you pretending to be a felt boot, you know how they brought it down?
      Let's put you on a 20 ton truck, load it, and rush to the bridge
      1. Kazimir Offline Kazimir
        Kazimir (Casimir) 17 September 2023 09: 56
        +4
        There is no need to swear, especially not about the point. And the bridge near Kherson was taken out of our traffic by dill, too, by truck? Or is it still rockets?
        1. itapot Offline itapot
          itapot (itapot) 20 September 2023 11: 58
          0
          They brought him out with systematic shelling, which cost them $0,3 billion. But it could be patched for pennies and in 2-3 weeks. Estimate how much you need to spend for systematic shelling of ~25 Dnieper bridges, some of which are dams. Russia does not produce that many missiles per month.
    2. itapot Offline itapot
      itapot (itapot) 20 September 2023 11: 55
      -1
      They didn't fire rockets at the Crimean bridge. The first time the bridge was damaged by 20 tons of explosives. This is equivalent to 40-50 Iskanders or Calibers. But the bridge continued to operate in reverse mode. Making a long-range missile is harder than repairing a bridge. Ukronatsik is so actively promoting the topic of bridges because this is the most ineffective way to use missiles.
  5. strange guest Offline strange guest
    strange guest (Strange Guest) 16 September 2023 13: 07
    -8
    There is no desire. There is fear. Or rather, fears. We don’t hit not only bridges, but also chemical plants and nuclear power plants. Which are also on our territory within the reach of Ukrainian weapons. This is SVO, not war, for us. And for Ukraine it is an armed conflict, not a war. And no one wants and will not go beyond this framework - to drive the enemy into a corner.
    1. Kazimir Offline Kazimir
      Kazimir (Casimir) 17 September 2023 09: 50
      +1
      Quote: Strange guest
      There is no desire. There is fear. Or rather, fears. We don’t hit not only bridges, but also chemical plants and nuclear power plants. Which are also on our territory within the reach of Ukrainian weapons. This is SVO, not war, for us. And for Ukraine it is an armed conflict, not a war. And no one wants and will not go beyond this framework - to drive the enemy into a corner.

      There is no need to try to confuse everyone with cheap demagoguery. And interfere with bridges, infrastructure, delivery points and decision-making centers with chemical plants and nuclear power plants. (By the way, dill have already made attempts to strike at the latter, albeit not massively so far). The enemies - both Ukronazis and Westerners - are waging WAR against us, although so far without using ALL possible means. But this is not because they are so humane, but simply STILL not confident in our guaranteed destruction. But they lead to this by condemning them to many years of war with ever more deadly weapons. And in the end they will drive you into the very corner that you say you fear so much.
  6. Nike Offline Nike
    Nike (Nikolai) 16 September 2023 13: 27
    +17
    The fact is that railway bridges in Ukraine were built back in Soviet times, immediately with a safety margin for a nuclear war.

    If this is so, then what was the Crimean Bridge built from? judging by its strength, it was sculpted from snot and sand; it crumbles with any impact.
    Are you saying there is nothing to hit the Dnieper bridges with? Almost every year, “Topol”, “Sineva”, “Voevoda”, a special charge are removed from service for storage, hexogen for the warhead and for disposal along the bridge. I think it won’t fit 300-400kg, but a ton or more. WHY?
    1. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
      Dart2027 16 September 2023 14: 47
      -4
      Quote: nike
      If this is so, then what was the Crimean Bridge built from? judging by its strength, it was sculpted from snot and sand; it crumbles with any impact.

      Oh really? Only the spans are damaged, but the supports, that is, the most important and durable ones, remain as they were.
      1. Nike Offline Nike
        Nike (Nikolai) 16 September 2023 15: 18
        +16
        How far can you go without flying? How long did it take to restore the spans at Krymsky? Six months? and in war, often only one day is dear.
        1. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
          Dart2027 16 September 2023 21: 03
          -5
          Quote: nike
          How long did it take to restore the spans at Krymsky? Six months? and in war, often only one day is dear.

          Because there everything was done as it should be, and for speed you can make a temporary structure - clumsy and short-lived, but working.
          1. Gray 51 Offline Gray 51
            Gray 51 (Sergei) 17 September 2023 08: 16
            +3
            And send a tank weighing 70 tons through the temporary structure
            1. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
              Dart2027 17 September 2023 12: 33
              -1
              Quote: Gray 51
              temporary tank weighing 70 tons

              It will last for a while, and then it will all be over.
          2. Kazimir Offline Kazimir
            Kazimir (Casimir) 17 September 2023 10: 10
            +2
            You can’t carry much in a temporary shed, especially something heavy and/or oversized. Especially under the threat of repeated strikes
    2. Baltika3 Offline Baltika3
      Baltika3 (Baltika3) 16 September 2023 21: 59
      -10
      WHY?

      Because because.
      First, hit the bridge with a strategic missile. When even a cruise missile does not guarantee such accuracy. Then, the launch of Topol will be tracked from the first moment, and the reaction to this can be anything. From a full-scale nuclear strike on the Russian Federation to (let’s take a very extreme scenario) to an attempt to eliminate the First Person.
      1. Kazimir Offline Kazimir
        Kazimir (Casimir) 17 September 2023 09: 34
        +4
        It's bad when there's a head instead of a head. Because authoritative military experts have been claiming for a year and a half that they have the means to destroy such objects. (Even if it's not easy). And there is an understanding of the strategic significance of this. And if you are so afraid of the enemy’s response - frightening yourself either with thermonuclear poison or with a blow to the leadership (who can no longer protect themselves?), then it is better to give up right away, there will be no century of victory in sight
    3. alexku69 Offline alexku69
      alexku69 (Alexey) 17 September 2023 09: 33
      0
      Quote: nike
      Almost every year, “Topol”, “Sineva”, “Voevoda”, a special charge are removed from service for storage, hexogen for the warhead and for disposal along the bridge. I think it won’t fit 300-400kg, but a ton or more. WHY?

      I heard that the funds you listed have such a thing as KVO. Are you sure that even if all the governors are blue, along with poplar liners and other maces, that at least one BB will hit the bridge?
    4. Ksv Offline Ksv
      Ksv (Sergei) 19 September 2023 14: 38
      0
      It’s a good idea, just set up the warhead for timely detonation so that it doesn’t go under water.
      But no one will do this because it’s a risk. And if the missiles don’t work, then our missiles are worthless?
      With all the consequences
    5. itapot Offline itapot
      itapot (itapot) 20 September 2023 12: 04
      0
      For Poplar, Sineva and Voevoda, 100-200 meters is considered excellent accuracy. Their task is to deliver a nuclear charge, not to hit bridges.
  7. Andrey Zradinskiy (Andrey Zradinsky) 16 September 2023 13: 42
    -9
    how many times they are trying to destroy the bridge in Zatoka.. all in vain.. it is still working. Therefore, the first version .. it is also the only one .. this is impossible without air strikes. At this time, air strikes are an accelerated funeral for aviation.
    1. Linkovich Chumovsky 16 September 2023 16: 12
      +9
      It would be better, of course, to arrange a speedy funeral for our soldiers on the front line. After all, what is a Human Life worth compared to an airplane? And yes. Where are all these analogues from cartoons???
    2. Kazimir Offline Kazimir
      Kazimir (Casimir) 17 September 2023 09: 26
      +3
      Who are you “treating”? How many strikes were there on the bridge in Zatoka - 2-3? But you need at least 30, like dill on the bridge near Kherson. They didn’t completely destroy it, but active traffic along it was disrupted. And on the Zatokinsky Bridge the traffic is at least an order of magnitude greater, and constant, for the entire year and a half. Therefore, both for them and for us, his comparison is immeasurably higher. So why don't they hit?
      1. itapot Offline itapot
        itapot (itapot) 20 September 2023 12: 08
        0
        Over 15 months, there were 10-15 strikes of the SVO. They struck, looked at the damage, drew conclusions based on objective control data, changed their approach and struck again. Now the bridge in Zatoka is not working.
  8. etoyavsemprivet Offline etoyavsemprivet
    etoyavsemprivet (It's me. Hello everyone.) 16 September 2023 14: 05
    -4
    Sitting on the defensive, crushing the advancing troops is now the main strategy. And if you remove the bridges and communications, then there will be no counter-attack from the neighbors, and then you will have to attack yourself. But this is not necessary now, I think so. War is not only about defending or attacking, but also about waiting.
    1. strange guest Offline strange guest
      strange guest (Strange Guest) 16 September 2023 19: 05
      -1
      It's even better to grind when both sides are on the defensive. It worked out very well in the First World War. And civilians suffer much less in this situation.
      1. Kazimir Offline Kazimir
        Kazimir (Casimir) 17 September 2023 09: 17
        +1
        How did the First World War end, do you remember? Both for Russia and for Germany. In addition to millions of ruined lives of not the worst people. Including civilians, who very soon became military (as they do now). And the death of civilians in the rear, from the hardships and hardships of an endless war
        1. strange guest Offline strange guest
          strange guest (Strange Guest) 17 September 2023 13: 23
          -2
          Mistakes have been taken into account - no one keeps those who are dissatisfied. If you don't like it, leave. So there will be no revolutions. Revolutions need leaders.
  9. Constantine N Offline Constantine N
    Constantine N (Constantin N) 16 September 2023 14: 33
    -9
    because equipment can be delivered via pontoon crossings, and you can bring at least a hundred of them, it won’t be possible to then destroy everything every day.
    1. Kazimir Offline Kazimir
      Kazimir (Casimir) 17 September 2023 09: 12
      +1
      Why blah blah? Try to aim at least one - with the constant threat of a second strike. And also compare the traffic on the highway and the pontoon - is it too much trouble?
  10. Valera75 Offline Valera75
    Valera75 (Valery) 16 September 2023 15: 29
    +8
    Quote: Dart2027
    Oh really? Only the spans are damaged, but the supports, that is, the most important and durable ones, remain as they were.

    Demolish two or three spans and how long will it take to restore it, and most importantly, where will the crests find a replacement for the destroyed spans? Plus they need to be delivered there and repaired for several months.
    1. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
      Dart2027 16 September 2023 21: 04
      -5
      Quote: Valera75
      Demolish two or three spans and how long will it take to restore it, and most importantly, where will the crests find a replacement for the destroyed spans?

      For speed, you can make a temporary structure - clumsy and short-lived, but working.
      1. Kazimir Offline Kazimir
        Kazimir (Casimir) 17 September 2023 09: 09
        +1
        There are no temporary work huts for constant, let alone more active traffic. Did not know?
        1. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
          Dart2027 17 September 2023 12: 35
          -1
          Quote: Casimir
          for constant, especially active traffic there is no such thing

          Does anyone need them now? If there was a desire, they could do it.
  11. Vladimir R. Offline Vladimir R.
    Vladimir R. (Vladimir Russian) 16 September 2023 17: 36
    -5
    Can be destroyed either by air bombs or mining. Our planes cannot enter Ukrainian airspace due to their air defense. But there are probably no people willing to mine.
    1. Kazimir Offline Kazimir
      Kazimir (Casimir) 17 September 2023 09: 05
      +1
      And the grain deal - during the year of which our country received nothing (the president himself said) - also because of the inability to mine? And use air bombs? And last year’s spring, the “regrouping” of troops into fortified areas, which our guys, despite all their heroism, still cannot cope with - how can you explain it? Just for understanding
  12. Potapov Offline Potapov
    Potapov (Valery) 16 September 2023 19: 47
    +4
    Still, SVO is half war, half business...
    1. Kazimir Offline Kazimir
      Kazimir (Casimir) 17 September 2023 09: 01
      +3
      More like two "wars". Our own, the people's - and the Russian "elite" and the authorities. About which there is silence. And within the framework of which all the “oddities and mysteries” of the SVO
  13. valery lebedev Offline valery lebedev
    valery lebedev (Valery Lebedev) 16 September 2023 19: 51
    +3
    In addition to railway bridges, there are railway junctions,
    1. Kazimir Offline Kazimir
      Kazimir (Casimir) 17 September 2023 08: 57
      0
      And also the Russian Central Bank headed by Nabiullina. Working in the interests of our enemies. But, you understand, no way, they don’t allow
  14. Understanding Offline Understanding
    Understanding (Alexander) 16 September 2023 19: 53
    +8
    This is not some kind of private agreement. Maybe the goal of achieving a military victory was never set? Maybe that’s why they gave up Gostomel, Kherson, etc... Maybe that’s why the bridges... Maybe that’s why we’ve been fighting for a year and a half without winning?
    1. Kazimir Offline Kazimir
      Kazimir (Casimir) 17 September 2023 08: 56
      +2
      Right to the point. Because there are outwardly quite plausible versions of why bridges (as well as weapons delivery points, almost all infrastructure, decision-making and government centers, and everything else) remain operational, moreover, everything is being improved, and our strikes are mainly local and/or demonstration in nature , can be constructed indefinitely. There would be a desire/order
  15. viktor goblin Offline viktor goblin
    viktor goblin (viktor goblin) 16 September 2023 21: 33
    +4
    Why ? Either you can’t do it, or someone doesn’t have real power. That's the whole story... And people are dying!
    1. Kazimir Offline Kazimir
      Kazimir (Casimir) 17 September 2023 08: 52
      0
      We have the means - we have the mind...
  16. maskazer Offline maskazer
    maskazer (maskizer) 16 September 2023 22: 29
    +1
    There is this new flying FAB-1500 that hit a target with about 5m precision. A couple of them can do a whole lot of damage to a bridge for good. But, it seems the Russian military actually wants those Ukronazi supplies and movements to continue so it could slowly destroy them without destroying expensive infrastructures.
    1. Platon Verdictov 17 September 2023 00: 37
      +1
      I am glad that you think so well of Russian military wisdom.
  17. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
    Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 16 September 2023 22: 50
    0
    Well ! Since the means of destruction have appeared, then we wait, sir! In my unenlightened opinion, an Iskander with a small Thermonuclear head could have darted across bridges before. All the same, the right bank does not shine for us, no matter how the patriots discuss it.
    1. Kazimir Offline Kazimir
      Kazimir (Casimir) 17 September 2023 08: 50
      +1
      No matter how the patriots debate

      It would be much more effective to completely replace the leadership of the financial and economic bloc. This would be a blow to the enemy, much stronger than even a thermonuclear one. How we would rise, and the economy would finally begin to revive. But NO-IZYA, they don’t allow it, shh...
  18. Platon Verdictov 17 September 2023 00: 24
    +1
    But for serious people with dozens of yards of green, everything goes according to plan. First they will speculate on the collapse of wood, then they will take advantage of the increase in the discount rate and for killing the country on the main economic front they will be allowed to live in London for a little longer.
    1. Kazimir Offline Kazimir
      Kazimir (Casimir) 17 September 2023 08: 44
      +1
      And as the leader at this year’s St. Petersburg forum admonished them: “Be healthy and rich.” (This is where the so-called “elite” actually publicly refused to participate in the war for nothing. Even financially. Only for new privatization). They do it conscientiously and even ahead of schedule. What do we want?
  19. Sergei N Offline Sergei N
    Sergei N (Sergey N) 17 September 2023 01: 53
    +1
    ... why the Russian Armed Forces do not destroy Ukrainian bridges across the Dnieper

    Version four and five, in my opinion, are the reason for this.
  20. reefroof Offline reefroof
    reefroof (Sergei) 17 September 2023 02: 20
    +2
    what is the demand from the Kremlin mediocrities? population decline in the Russian Federation and Ukraine - this is their part
    1. Kazimir Offline Kazimir
      Kazimir (Casimir) 17 September 2023 08: 37
      +4
      Don't put the top down, they're not like that. It’s just that our goals obviously diverge from those that guide them. Waging “our own war.” And everything is going according to plan, which the president himself has repeatedly confirmed. According to their plan. And here we keep complaining: “Well, why are the bridges still intact?” And because...
  21. Jstas Offline Jstas
    Jstas (jstas) 17 September 2023 07: 55
    0
    The version is correct...
    This war was provoked, imposed and waged in order to liberate the territory of Ukraine as much as possible from its population, with further resettlement of the people of Israel to the liberated territories, saving Jews from just nuclear retribution.
    That's it!
    Based on this message, all the strange, incomprehensible, illogical moments, techniques, methods and tactical and strategic lines of waging this war by the leadership of Ukraine, the collective West and the “leadership” of Russia become clear.
  22. Kazimir Offline Kazimir
    Kazimir (Casimir) 17 September 2023 08: 29
    +4
    Again about bridges - but it should be about the war. Which has been going on for more than a year and a half in such a way that we cannot win. And not even achieve any strategic goals for us. Under the conditions, restrictions and resources that the top established/allocated. Despite all the heroism of our guys at LBS. And everyone who knows how to think understands this, including those in power. But the war continues in precisely this under-format. This means that someone - someone very powerful - needs everything to go exactly this way. And so it goes, where it will lead is another, sad question
  23. Kazimir Offline Kazimir
    Kazimir (Casimir) 17 September 2023 08: 30
    +2
    And outwardly, there are quite plausible versions of why bridges (as well as points of delivery of weapons, almost all infrastructure, decision-making and government centers and everything else) remain operational, moreover, everything is being improved, and our strikes are mainly local and/or demonstration in nature, can be designed indefinitely. For their apologists, the question is: what concrete-piercing bombs do we lack to replace the leadership of the financial and economic bloc, which is obviously working against the country? Which not only left immeasurable funds abroad, but already during the war organized an active withdrawal of capital, and with the “damage” of the ruble and inflated rates doomed the economy to inevitable stagnation. And all of us - to additional hardships and hardships
  24. lord-palladore-11045 (Konstantin Puchkov) 17 September 2023 08: 35
    +4
    Five versions of why the Russian Armed Forces do not destroy Ukrainian bridges across the Dnieper

    - all this is fortune telling using a chamomile, there are five versions, but these are just versions and for the most part are not valid, especially the funny version that there is nothing to destroy bridges with. What, the Defense Ministry doesn’t have calibers and daggers? Nonsense, you just need to hit the bridge supports. For some reason, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are able to hit the Kerch Bridge, but the Russian Defense Ministry is not - it’s strange. And in general, these are all versions, which means there is nothing to talk about. In the meantime, the Ukrainian Armed Forces receive equipment, ammunition and all equipment. You need to ask Shoigu why he doesn’t want to destroy bridges, ask him - he’ll suddenly admit it.
    1. Kazimir Offline Kazimir
      Kazimir (Casimir) 17 September 2023 10: 29
      +2
      What should I ask Shoigu? For all his peculiarities, he has much more powerful bosses. And it’s not just the president. (And how did we give up Kherson? By the decision of the military? When for the first and last time, this has never happened before or since, Surovikin publicly - and in front of television cameras - asked Shoigu for permission to do this, they say, otherwise we will not defend in any way. And he did not receive only - again publicly - permission, but also on the last day of 2022, a rare award - the Order of St. George, 3rd degree. Now, probably, he regrets. And the Duma was completely prohibited from holding hearings on this matter).But asking the military - for all this strange SVO - of course, in any case, safer
    2. sap Online sap
      sap (Alex) 17 September 2023 16: 40
      0
      Prigogine asked...
    3. itapot Offline itapot
      itapot (itapot) 20 September 2023 12: 31
      -1
      Russia manages to hit the bridge in Zatoka. In 1 month, a pair of daggers and 20-100 long-range missiles are made, which are used to destroy warehouses, production facilities, command centers, etc. At first, NATO and their satellites hoped that the missiles would run out and they would come to life, but this did not happen. Therefore, provocateurs were sent into battle, offering to save expensive weapons, equipment and personnel of the ENEMY and engage in the destruction of bridges, including. 25 bridges across the Dnieper. For a one-time event, you will need 50 rockets (2 per bridge). Some will miss, some will be shot down, some will leave a hole like the Chongar Bridge, which will be repaired in 10 days for ridiculous money compared to the price of 2 missiles. After 10 days, 50 missiles are needed again. For some reason, this enemy’s idea of ​​eliminating Russia’s missile potential went well with many Russian citizens.
  25. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 17 September 2023 10: 11
    +1
    sixth version - Russia does not have the goal of winning a quick, purely military victory, which, on the one hand, will lead to the end of the conflict with the possible division of Ukraine and the introduction of NATO forces on the left bank and, on the other hand, will fix the situation in a form that will not allow Russia to achieve the main goals of the Northern Military District, like the collapse of the Kiev regime at the hands of the Ukrainians themselves and the West, the capitulation of the West itself by curtailing assistance to the regime and searching for a “way out”, the transformation of the world and Russian economies, and in general the beginning of a new world order.

    These bridges will collapse as soon as it becomes necessary, perhaps in the event of the entry of a contingent of Poles or the decision to conduct a final operation against the Ukrainian Armed Forces with the liberation of all territories that are planned to be liberated.
  26. Insolent in a jacket 17 September 2023 10: 19
    +2
    ...The bridges will be destroyed immediately after the official declaration of War to the Ukrainian Reich...

    ...While the Northern Military District is underway, strategic bridges will not be touched!..
    The sneaky paradox is that ukroreich, despite the large-scale database, is included (and quite actively participates in it!) in the general commercial and industrial complex of both the Russian Federation and the West...

    ...The danger of such a “strategy” for the Russian Federation is quite obvious!.. However, the regular, incompetent Kremlin “advisers” - who at one time failed to correctly calculate and foresee the consequences of the invasion of Ukrainian territories ... are still in “favor” with ours rulers (Stalin would have put them against the wall for their, to put it mildly, “miscalculations”...), therefore, both the bridges, and the military-industrial complex of the Ukrainian Reich (as a whole), and the power elite (evil spirits) of the Ukrainian Reich - will be completely safe... for quite some time yet...
    1. Kazimir Offline Kazimir
      Kazimir (Casimir) 17 September 2023 11: 02
      +1
      Blaming everything on incompetent advisers. Don't belittle the top guys, they're not like that at all. It’s just that our goals obviously diverge from those that guide them. Waging "his own war." And everything is going according to plan, which the president himself has repeatedly confirmed. According to their plan. And here we keep complaining: “Well, why are the bridges still intact?” And because...
      1. Insolent in a jacket 20 September 2023 06: 00
        0
        ...Don’t belittle the top, they are not like that at all...

        ...REALLY?!!.. However, the analogy of the old proverb (about a friend) suggests itself... And, unfortunately... - this is not the saddest thing...

        Everything is going according to the Western plan... If we talk about someone’s plans...

        We, normal citizens, do not have goals, but anxiety for the future of the Country and the younger generation (our children), frustration for the mediocrely wasted Motherland (the Great USSR), and shame for the loss of a sense of reality, common sense - under the influence of (quite primitive, by the way) pre-war Kremlin propaganda, parades, t/biathlons, theatrical impositions on the personal image of the “sign of the cross” of some famous figures, before the start of parade processions..., etc.
        Fortunately, the latter (the consequences of propaganda) quickly disappeared from the mass consciousness under the influence and thanks to the realities of the Northern Military District and mobilization, and this is a huge plus...

        And in general, no one complains here, people (ordinary citizens) express their indignation at the “strange” vile and incomprehensible course of the SVO...
        They have the right to do so...
    2. itapot Offline itapot
      itapot (itapot) 20 September 2023 12: 34
      0
      The strategic bridge in Zatoka is being touched and has been methodically rendered unusable over the course of 15 months. The strategic Amur Bridge was also touched, but the result of the attack with 2 missiles turned out to be nothing for the bridge, but unprofitable for Russia.
  27. Elena123 Offline Elena123
    Elena123 (elena) 17 September 2023 10: 46
    +1
    Most likely they cannot and have nothing to bomb on these very bridges and railway structures.
    Remember when the Americans destroyed fraternal Yugoslavia, bombed the military and civilian infrastructure of the Sers day and night, and in three months it was completely destroyed. They were not afraid of air defense or their salvo systems.
    1. Kazimir Offline Kazimir
      Kazimir (Casimir) 17 September 2023 11: 30
      0
      What kind of shortage are we talking about? You calm yourself down - or us too, uv. Elena? Such an exotic version about the fact that there is nothing. Along the way, leaving out not only our military, but also the government. (Who kind of allowed this to happen). Because even a quarter of that what has already been released along the rear there would be enough dill to destroy the delivery points. With obvious consequences for the course of the war. If only there were real strikes, massive and systematic. (And not local and/or demonstrative, they say, we can do it anyway, and there we go). What is there to argue about when the president himself publicly stated on October 14, 2022 that

      there will be no massive strikes in depth

      the army has other tasks

      You dispute it, claiming that, they say, nothing?
      1. itapot Offline itapot
        itapot (itapot) 20 September 2023 12: 54
        -1
        There are 5887 bridges in Ukraine. Russia produces 20-100 long-range missiles per month. This amount is enough to destroy some production facilities, command posts, weapons depots and damage some bridges such as the bridge in Zatoka, which is very convenient for missile attacks from the sea. But the missiles produced are not enough to systematically damage even 25 bridges across the Dnieper. For a systematic approach, you need to send 2 missiles across each bridge every week, because... a hole in a bridge can be repaired in 7-10 days for ridiculous money compared to the cost of producing a rocket. Moreover, not everyone will make it and will have to repeat it. The minimum required is 200 rockets per month for these 25 bridges. But the bridges are different: some are concrete, others are metal, and others are dams. Each one should have its own approach, much like the bridge in Zatoka, which was hit 10-15 times and each time the mistakes were worked on.
    2. Kazimir Offline Kazimir
      Kazimir (Casimir) 17 September 2023 11: 38
      +2
      By the way, authoritative military experts have been asserting for a year and a half that we have all the means to destroy such objects. (Even if it's not easy). But the result - in the sense of influence on the course of military operations - in this case will be worth any effort. If only there was political will in power for this
  28. Kazimir Offline Kazimir
    Kazimir (Casimir) 17 September 2023 10: 47
    +3
    Quote: alexku69
    Quote: nike
    Almost every year, “Topol”, “Sineva”, “Voevoda”, a special charge are removed from service for storage, hexogen for the warhead and for disposal along the bridge. I think it won’t fit 300-400kg, but a ton or more. WHY?

    I heard that the funds you listed have such a thing as KVO. Are you sure that even if all the governors are blue, along with poplar liners and other maces, that at least one BB will hit the bridge?

    As soon as there is an order. Or at least permission. Firstly, military experts will figure out for themselves what is more effective for them to destroy the bridge. And, secondly, what not to try, despite all the KVO: launch a ton, or even more explosives, into an (already dismantled) rocket? And if not to destroy the bridge, then at least to intimidate us, showing our readiness? And not even so much dill, but their owners. After all, next time this product may not fly like dill, and with a completely different filling. Our current possible ally and king (comrade)-hopeful Kim would have done just that. Because no matter how you treat him, he is truly a leader, decisive and courageous. And to ensure the security of the DPRK (and not the interests of its own oligarchs over the hill) I am ready to do anything
    1. itapot Offline itapot
      itapot (itapot) 20 September 2023 13: 02
      -2
      Launch a Topol-type missile with an accuracy of 100-200 meters at a bridge so that it destroys some house with inhabitants. It will be a beautiful picture for the whole world: the senseless killing of civilians by an intercontinental ballistic missile. This will show that the Ukronazi provocateurs did not eat their bread in vain.
  29. Kazimir Offline Kazimir
    Kazimir (Casimir) 17 September 2023 11: 07
    +1
    Quote: Siegfried
    sixth version - Russia does not have the goal of winning a quick, purely military victory, which, on the one hand, will lead to the end of the conflict with the possible division of Ukraine and the introduction of NATO forces on the left bank and, on the other hand, will fix the situation in a form that will not allow Russia to achieve the main goals of the Northern Military District, like the collapse of the Kiev regime at the hands of the Ukrainians themselves and the West, the capitulation of the West itself by curtailing assistance to the regime and searching for a “way out”, the transformation of the world and Russian economies, and in general the beginning of a new world order. These bridges will collapse as soon as it becomes necessary, perhaps in the event of the entry of a contingent of Poles or the decision to conduct a final operation against the Ukrainian Armed Forces with the liberation of all territories that are planned to be liberated.

    Saw and saw, Shura, they will definitely be golden...

    The song of the akyn, which has been sung by everyone for a year and a half, in different variations. So to speak, the "official" version. Like, “has no goal”, “collapse”, “possible division by our own forces”, “bridges will collapse”, “capitulation of the West”, etc. I was especially amused by the final “liberation of all territories that are planned (?!!) to be liberated” - why? when? by whom? as far as possible? What if someone “plans” not liberation at all, but bestowal? (As it was last spring, as a gesture of goodwill.) Isn’t it funny for you to write something like that, Mr. Gennady?
  30. strange guest Offline strange guest
    strange guest (Strange Guest) 17 September 2023 11: 22
    +4
    Lack of weapons..blah blah blah..and the RF Armed Forces also don’t have DRGs with explosives at their disposal? Where did it go? So it’s not a matter of means of destruction.
  31. Evgeny12 Offline Evgeny12
    Evgeny12 (Evgeny12) 17 September 2023 11: 30
    +4
    Somehow it occurs to me that bridges, etc. they do not destroy precisely because they do not win too quickly, without a command “from above” for both sides. And as soon as the command to stop comes, everything will stop without destroying the bridges.
    1. Kazimir Offline Kazimir
      Kazimir (Casimir) 17 September 2023 11: 45
      +4
      Not to mention the vileness of such a “strategy”. When our best people die. Can we trust in the “wisdom and insight” of our leaders, in their “compliance” in the hope of reconciliation? After everything that happened in recent years - and is happening now. And won't it - even if it does - actually lead to the collapse of our entire life? Or even to the destruction of the country and people, albeit extended over time? Like this whole war
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  33. Himalayan Offline Himalayan
    Himalayan 17 September 2023 12: 19
    +6
    Sixth version - betrayal at the highest level
  34. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 17 September 2023 13: 12
    +3
    When conducting the SVO, the Kremlin is guided by all opinions and often wins the one that the party of agreement insists on, i.e. betrayal of the interests of Russia and the people. And surrounded by the Kremlin and even within it, there are many more people who want to capitulate than those who need victory.
  35. In passing Online In passing
    In passing (Galina Rožkova) 17 September 2023 14: 32
    +4
    Well, it’s clearly said - everything is going according to plan. But this plan is not mine, not yours. I don’t know whose. Version seven - aliens. For some reason they need these bridges.
  36. Alexey reader Offline Alexey reader
    Alexey reader (Alexey Parshutin) 17 September 2023 15: 12
    +1
    Quote: baltika3
    WHY?

    Because because.
    First, hit the bridge with a strategic missile. When even a cruise missile does not guarantee such accuracy. Then, the launch of Topol will be tracked from the first moment, and the reaction to this can be anything. From a full-scale nuclear strike on the Russian Federation to (let’s take a very extreme scenario) to an attempt to eliminate the First Person.

    As the Storm Shadow missiles show, they hit very well and even disable them. There is a special warhead that makes a hole about five meters in the span
    1. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
      Dart2027 18 September 2023 06: 10
      0
      Quote: Alexey reader
      As Storm Shadow missiles show, they really hit

      These are not strategic missiles.
    2. itapot Offline itapot
      itapot (itapot) 20 September 2023 13: 15
      0
      One Shorashow hit and the other missed. The Chongar Bridge was repaired in 7-10 days. Imagine such shooting at 5887 bridges in Ukraine or at least 25 bridges across the Dnieper. The enemy is losing iron rods + concrete, and Russia is losing all its high-tech long-range missiles, which they make at the rate of 20-100 per month. Meanwhile, equipment is being imported from NATO countries, military production is operating, weapons depots and command posts are not being bombed. They will put up pontoon bridges and all the accumulated NATO weapons will crawl to the other side.
  37. Alexey reader Offline Alexey reader
    Alexey reader (Alexey Parshutin) 17 September 2023 15: 16
    0
    The author forgot about hundreds of other bridges and multi-level road junctions, some of which are located several kilometers from the LBS. The work on them is also very weak. It seems to me that there are no weapons of sufficient accuracy. Recently I landed on a bridge in Kupyansk. Iron frame, wooden flooring. A little past. The flooring was broken, but the frame remained.
  38. Hiker Offline Hiker
    Hiker (Dmitriy) 17 September 2023 15: 31
    +2
    SVO is not what everyone is told it is.
    Think and don’t believe everything that is written and conveyed from the screen.

    Today is another logic exercise.
    Here is Lavrov’s statement to the public:

    The United States is waging a war against Russia, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said, speaking about Washington’s decision to supply Ukraine with even longer-range missiles.

    At the same time, Russia increased supplies of fertilizers and uranium only to the USA
    4-5 times. Fertilizers to Germany increased 4 times, LNG supplies through Tampax to Russia’s enemies increased 4-7 times.

    Well, the icing on the cake - a Russian cosmonaut flies on an American rocket
    and it doesn't bother anyone, right? Or an American on the Russian one to the ISS...
    Not a single TV channel shows a handshake, so as not to spoil Lavrov’s words.

    Has anyone noticed that Biden no longer remembers oil?
  39. KLNM Offline KLNM
    KLNM (KLNM) 17 September 2023 16: 12
    +5
    Well, if the Minister of Defense and currently 4 of his deputies, including the first deputy, do not have a military education and have never served in the army, how do they know that bridges are priority targets, and then they wonder why foreign tanks are on the front line? ammunition... and if you try to be smarter than them or object, your military career will end.
  40. Valera 22 Offline Valera 22
    Valera 22 (Victor Saturday) 17 September 2023 17: 39
    +1
    Version 6, gesture of goodwill...
  41. marasinskiy Offline marasinskiy
    marasinskiy (marasinskiy) 17 September 2023 21: 38
    +3
    More like the option with the absence of weapons, the second most plausible version is negotiated. I myself took part in the assault on one settlement... the artillery fired SIX shells, then the infantry went, in general we didn’t take it and then we didn’t take it again, and we still haven’t taken it half a year later. It seems like there were spotters and there must have been shells because FIVE of our hails flew specifically at us with a flight of 200m, but why didn’t they fly where they needed to that day. In general, for us that assault was a complete mystery...
    1. Vladimir_2 Offline Vladimir_2
      Vladimir_2 (Vladimir) 18 September 2023 00: 28
      +3
      There are quite a lot of similar situations. For example, Avdeevka, from which Donetsk is still being shelled under Ukrainian control. In a year and a half, it probably could have been cleaned and the forehead moved back, but apparently there is no such task.
  42. Andrey Radchenko (Andrey Radchenko) 18 September 2023 06: 00
    -1
    It is very difficult to get into a bridge over a river, which for any ammunition is like a thinly stretched thread. Where can the Russian command get such missiles? The conclusion is simple - they can’t, because they have nothing.
  43. Muscool Offline Muscool
    Muscool (Glory) 18 September 2023 08: 19
    0
    The bridge can be destroyed by sabotage. Rush the car of shells that are traveling to the front, at the moment when the train passes the bridge. Or strike the train with missiles as it passes the bridge. In general, there are a lot of options.
    But our pear-makers have legs; they don’t engage in sabotage. They can't or don't want to.
    1. itapot Offline itapot
      itapot (itapot) 20 September 2023 13: 26
      0
      Long-range missiles are not designed to hit moving objects.
  44. well Offline well
    well (Valery) 18 September 2023 10: 02
    -2
    I'm leaning towards the first version. Since they fired at it, it means they tried to destroy it, but they couldn’t.
  45. D-30 Offline D-30
    D-30 (Maxim Gavrilov) 18 September 2023 14: 32
    0
    Definitely version 5...
  46. Akteka Offline Akteka
    Akteka (Akteka) 18 September 2023 17: 24
    -3
    There are bridges in the Russian Federation too. Major defense plants beyond the Volga. I don’t think there’s any need to continue.
  47. Yaroslav the Wise (Yaroslav the Wise) 18 September 2023 17: 24
    +2
    Railroad bridges are completely different from road bridges. Even with minor damage to the railway bridge, restoration will take a lot of time, money and people. There are big problems with this in Ukraine now. What if there are several such damages?

    So to say that there is supposedly nothing to hit railway bridges with is complete nonsense! There are only two more or less living versions left: humanism and agreement. Well, people who have only seen war on TV tend to exhibit ostentatious humanism. Everything is clear with these types. But with the agreement.... Here you also need to understand that the Kremlin, if it agreed on something, it was definitely not with Ukraine. Perhaps this second party could be China, which in transit through Russia and Ukraine drags its goods to Europe, and from there - raw materials for production.
    The same India could become the other side of some *agreement*. Well, at worst, it could be Europe.
    In general, everyone, anyone, but not Ukraine.
    1. Vladimir80 Offline Vladimir80
      Vladimir80 18 September 2023 18: 23
      +1
      You are, of course, wise, but no significant volumes of cargo from China and India have ever passed through the bridges in the region. They’re just puppets on both sides, and ours weren’t allowed to fight “to the fullest”
  48. Vladimir80 Offline Vladimir80
    Vladimir80 18 September 2023 18: 27
    +2
    Quote: sH, arK
    An involuntary question arises - why then SVO?

    At the moment, everything looks like a planned extermination of the Papuan people with replacement by their southern dark-skinned neighbors, with the organization of an eastern caliphate on the territory under the control of the IMF
  49. Flight Offline Flight
    Flight (voi) 19 September 2023 01: 21
    +1
    Only a completely stupid person can believe that our miracle heroes cannot destroy these bridges. They can and would love to destroy it, but they don’t, and why? And then versions are born, one more beautiful than the other - either the missiles are of the wrong system, or the bridges are indestructible, or maybe everything is simple? There was no team?
    1. itapot Offline itapot
      itapot (itapot) 20 September 2023 13: 46
      -3
      1) They are smashing: watch the attacks on the bridge in Zatoka. 2) Everything that is killed. But would you agree to kill flies with your smartphone? Precision long-range missiles are not designed to destroy bridges. They are too expensive for this purpose, underpowered and too few of them are produced. Their task is to destroy weapons warehouses, command posts, production lines and other expensive objects. If you do not destroy the enemy’s weapons, they will still be used against the Russian army. More soldiers will be killed.
      For a long time, NATO countries thought that Russia would soon run out of missiles. Now they are thinking about how to make them go to some pointless task, and not destroy their weapons. This is where provocateurs come into play, writing about bridges without stopping. And it works! So many people fell for it.
  50. Kazimir Prutikoff (Kazimir Prutikoff) 19 September 2023 07: 44
    0
    Ours simply cannot do this. Aviation will not reach due to strong enemy air defense. Cruise missiles carry too low-power charge.
  51. E NOT Offline E NOT
    E NOT (Eugene) 19 September 2023 09: 14
    +1
    We must proceed from the fact that if the bridges and tunnel are destroyed, the intensity of the traffic jam will significantly decrease. Not overnight, but it will decrease, if not drop at all, to a level close to 0. This means that neither side has plans for completion; on the contrary, there is a course for prolongation. For what? This is another question, quite seditious for public discussion. And before going through versions, you need to answer the question cui prodest. It is under this question that everything has been happening with us lately.
    1. itapot Offline itapot
      itapot (itapot) 20 September 2023 13: 52
      -1
      Who might benefit from the Russian army stopping destroying weapons depots, command posts, production facilities and other expensive things and starting destroying metal rods + concrete? Destroying Ukraine's 5887 bridges is a great idea. But taking into account the Russian production of 20-100 long-range missiles, it will not be possible to destroy even 25 bridges across the Dnieper.
  52. Winger Offline Winger
    Winger (Oleg) 19 September 2023 13: 56
    0
    China trades with Europe. By railway, across the whole country. And then to Dill, across the bridges to Europe. VVP does not want to lose Russia’s last serious allies.
    1. Ksv Offline Ksv
      Ksv (Sergei) 19 September 2023 14: 46
      +1
      True, but... From China, 2 million containers a year go to Europe by rail, the remaining 80 by sea, usually through the Strait of Malacca.
  53. Ksv Offline Ksv
    Ksv (Sergei) 19 September 2023 14: 45
    -1
    1) Well, firstly, this is an agreement, and of course we don’t know all the details.
    2) if we destroy the bridges, who will feed the millions of crests who will remain on our side of the Dnieper? Too much resources must be allocated to feed Svidomo.
    Do not forget that some dams are bridges; we do not want to destroy the dams in any case.
    3) it was said at the very beginning that we will grind, if we destroy the bridges there will be no one and nothing to grind.
    True, it would be possible to reduce the number of bridges by half and then it would be much easier to clean up the remaining logistics, so to speak, the control process would be much easier
    4) it is possible to destroy the bridge, albeit with difficulty. Remember Gostomel, what our paratroopers did... it will be easier to destroy the bridge. Therefore, there is no such task yet
    5) Well, regarding conspiracy theories, are there really still people who believe that the world is ruled by the very presidents and prime ministers who are in plain sight?
    Don't be naive, we know too little about our earthly authorities
    6) Well, just like the icing on the cake, we still trade with Europe, and crests also trade with us, and a wide variety of cargo goes across these bridges.
    P.S. summing up all of the above, it turns out that there is simply no need to bomb bridges...
    1. Flight Offline Flight
      Flight (voi) 20 September 2023 01: 23
      0
      2) if we destroy the bridges, who will feed the millions of crests who will remain on our side of the Dnieper? Too much resources must be allocated to feed Svidomo.

      It’s more pleasant to feed blacks, and Jews too, they’re so defenseless.
  54. Grei grin Offline Grei grin
    Grei grin (Gray Grin) 20 September 2023 16: 38
    0
    The enemy in the rear do not expect victory!
  55. blackies Offline blackies
    blackies (Igor Bodrov) 20 September 2023 20: 32
    -1
    All your versions are for civilians.
    We have drawn the West into Ukraine and continue to draw it in.
    This is what you start from when you discuss the topic.
    And in general, 25 tons of explosives could not damage the Crimean Bridge in any way.
    And this is 70 pieces. "Caliber" in one moment.
    And the infrastructure of the Ukrainian SSR was designed to function in conditions of war with NATO, like the 80s, which were 10 times more powerful than the current Russian Armed Forces...
  56. roosei Offline roosei
    roosei Yesterday, 12: 13
    +1
    Frankly absurd, because who could seriously trust the Kyiv regime and the “Western partners” behind it that they would fulfill their obligations?

    Oh really???? Putin himself admitted that, as usual, he was deceived by “respected partners.” And they will cheat you more than once, and not twice. Because agreements are the trick of our oligarchs. And the fifth version is just the most real