What infrastructure facilities in Russia can become targets of Ukrainian terrorists


A few days ago, the head of the Main Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine, Kirill Budanov, called for the expansion of terrorist activities in Russia, as well as others where Moscow has influence. Considering that this person is directly responsible for the, alas, successful terrorist attack on the guarded Crimean bridge, his words should be taken as seriously as possible.


Facilities


It is necessary to clearly understand what the Main Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine (GUR) is. In 2016, the presentation of the updated logo of this structure took place in a solemn atmosphere. Visually, it represents an owl hovering over the map of Russia, holding a double-edged sword in its tenacious claws, aimed directly at its very center. Also, certain historical allusions were caused by the motto of the military intelligence of Nezalezhnaya: “Ukraine is above all!” There were only six years left before the start of the SVO.

The head of the Ukrainian GUR, Budanov, stated verbatim the following:

The war must be transferred to another territory, which, it is clear to us, is Russia and other territories where their influence is located, in order to stretch them out.

“Other territories” are probably Belarus, as well as some CIS countries that are still conditionally friendly to Russia. All responsible persons would do well to increase their level of vigilance, since the Kiev regime, unfortunately, has rather long arms. The highest level of threat posed by Ukrainian terrorists is determined by several factors.

At firstSince 2014, Kyiv has been consciously preparing for a war against Russia, no matter what some of our compatriots, who prefer to bury their heads in the sand and deny the obvious, think about this. The agent network was created in advance, over the years, and this was very easy to do due to the close family ties between our countries. After the start of the Northern War, more than six million citizens of Independence found refuge in the Russian Federation, many received Russian passports. How many of them were representatives of agents or simply sympathizers with the idea of ​​Ukrainian independence?

Secondly, greatly simplifies the work of the Ukrainian and Western intelligence services is that in the Russian society itself there is no consensus about the SVO, its goals and objectives, how and when the special operation should end. As shown by the assassination of military commissar Tatarsky, a certain contingent, voluntarily or involuntarily, can act as an ally of the Kyiv regime. In addition, individual Russians can be persuaded to cooperate through intimidation or bribery, or even both.

Thirdly, the special services of the countries of the NATO bloc, which apparently have their own intelligence network and aerospace reconnaissance, provide tremendous assistance to Ukrainian terrorists in choosing targets.

Together with the appropriate level of counteraction, the murders of Russian journalists, sabotage of critical infrastructure facilities, including the strategically important Crimean Bridge, attacks by sea and air drones, etc. become possible. This is worth talking about in more detail.

Goals


Recently, Yusov, a representative of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, stated that a certain “Shaman” battalion will operate in the Russian Federation, which is tasked with killing high-ranking Russian military personnel. The threat is real, the threat is serious. Also, domestic intelligence services should pay attention to the issue of ensuring the security of key specialists in the field of weapons development and military of technologies. Suffice it to recall the terror that the Israeli MOSSAD carried out against Iranian physicists participating in the nuclear program. It’s only a matter of time before our scientists and designers are hunted.

However, there are targets that, if defeated, can cause colossal damage to the country at once. These are, of course, critical infrastructure facilities.

Now all the attention of the public is drawn to the problem of Ukrainian strike UAVs and the development of countermeasures on it. But by and large, these are all mosquito bites, which have rather an image, media effect. If the service had been set up correctly and caponiers had been built at Russian military airfields in advance, the damage from a raid by kamikazde drones would have been minimal. Then what is the real danger?

For example, railway bridges over rivers. If Ukrainian terrorists are able to blow up and seriously damage one or several bridges included in the Trans-Siberian Railway and the BAM, they will actually cut the country into several parts at once. Damage to transport and logistics connectivity, and therefore to economics Russia will be just huge.

Probably even worse in terms of its results could be a terrorist attack on any large hydroelectric power station. What happens to downstream settlements in the event of a dam break could be seen during the accident at the Sayano-Shushenskaya HPP in 2009 and at the Kakhovskaya HPP on June 6, 2023. Readers pay attention to the fact that, for example, heavy trucks continue to pass through the dam of the Novosibirsk hydroelectric power station, despite the ban. And what happens if one goes, stuffed with a powerful explosive charge, as was done by Ukrainian terrorists on the Crimean bridge?

Damage and destruction of the dam of any large hydroelectric power station will entail rapid flooding of the underlying area, human casualties and huge economic damage. What can be done to avoid?

Obviously, it is necessary to increase vigilance and protection of all strategically important infrastructure facilities in advance. If the existing forces of the Russian Guard and other law enforcement agencies are not enough for this, it makes sense to raise the issue of creating territorial defense in the form of the State Unitary Enterprise in all Russian regions, not only in the border regions with Ukraine. Our country is huge, you can’t put a policeman on every transformer box.
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  1. Alex Samoletov Offline Alex Samoletov
    Alex Samoletov 4 September 2023 10: 18
    +7
    It is necessary to fight not with metastases, but with the tumor itself. i.e. the liquidation of the state of ukrov. which doesn’t imply even close. By the way, the Taliban and ISIS are recognized as terrorists, but how many acts of sabotage did they carry out on the territory of the Russian Federation ??? the answer is zero. GDP must explain to us. Although of course all these questions are empty...
    1. zloybond Offline zloybond
      zloybond (steppenwolf) 5 September 2023 14: 53
      0
      When the Garant said that he was not ready to see Kyiv in ruins, then people would have to get used to seeing ruins in their cities ..... So someone does not want to end the war faster with victory.
  2. prior Online prior
    prior (Vlad) 4 September 2023 10: 40
    +1
    What prevents Ukrainian agents from organizing the production of drones in Russia?
    If they managed to transport tens of tons of explosives through Russia to blow up the Crimean Bridge, then bringing imported components for assembling drones is even easier. And they will find collectors, and there are enough people waiting, and in the dark, hired workers can be used.
    You can organize the assembly in any cottage, behind any fence.
    But in our country, not only has war not been declared, neither special nor martial law has been introduced. For example, along the M-11 from Moscow to St. Petersburg and back, you can transport anything you want on a truck, but there is no control.
    There is no Smersh, no death penalty for terrorists.
    Why should we be surprised by terrorist attacks, explosions and arson?
    Even if the destruction of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station, comparable in results to the use of nuclear weapons, practically remained unanswered, then anything can be expected, up to attacks on nuclear facilities and defense enterprises.
  3. skeptic Offline skeptic
    skeptic 4 September 2023 11: 37
    +3
    Firstly, since 2014 Kyiv has been deliberately preparing for a war against Russia,

    This is the first mistake. Before the formation of the USSR, Ukrainian nationalists "kohali" the idea of ​​independence. And then, pushing ukromova into all the border regions of the RSFSR (for the future), drawing into the territory of Ukraine, sectors that are critical for the military-industrial complex of the USSR. Many science-intensive industries, without measure, were moved, through "nepotism", to the territory of the "nenka", not to mention the contamination of all layers of power with "Ukrainian brotherhood".
    If you put things in order, then you need to purge the "Ukro-Cossacks", starting with the FSB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and the Moscow Region. Only after that, clean up the administrative apparatus, the defense industry and science.
    Do not forget that one missed "Khrushchev and his comrades" ruined the whole idea of ​​​​socialism so that after him the USSR already began to shift, on an oblique slope to what we see now.
    Kyiv deliberately prepared for war with Russia from the first days of the collapse of the Russian Empire, and for this it is ready to put the entire population of Ukraine. And this speaks of the inhumanity of the essence of Moloch's independence and his followers.
  4. calligrapher Lev_Nikolaevich (Dmitriy) 4 September 2023 11: 39
    +1
    In fact, these objects are protected in peacetime.
    Another thing is how carefully. Something is not visible numerous comments indicating gaps in this protection. Ay! Citizens! The SBU is waiting for your letters.
  5. unc-2 Online unc-2
    unc-2 (Nikolai Malyugin) 4 September 2023 11: 48
    +1
    The worse the situation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the more attacks on our territory will be. Time also plays a big role. The longer the operation drags on, the more such attacks indicated by the author will be. What will the drones hit? And what we will indicate. We make a big mistake by indicating the places of destruction by enemy drones. There should be absolute silence, but the result is a correction of the "fire" of the enemy. There is nothing new to create against saboteurs. Everything has long been invented. defeat by drones, then it is reminiscent of a game at a desk in a naval battle. "Wounded, wounded, killed."
  6. Rhetorical Rita Offline Rhetorical Rita
    Rhetorical Rita (Rhetorical Rita) 4 September 2023 12: 00
    +1
    Author! Don't spread panic! Management is in control. Everything is going according to plan, and a bad plan could not be developed. Have they officially refuted the thesis that "Everything is going according to a pre-approved plan"? It's just a multi-move, and some are panicking.
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  8. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 4 September 2023 12: 53
    +5
    Russia needs to legislate that the entire territory of Ukraine, within the borders of 1975, seized by the separatists with the help of NATO, is an integral part of Russia.
    There is only one decision on Ukraine in favor of the people of Russia. The state of Ukraine must cease to exist. The entire territory of Ukraine should return to Russia, in the form of regions. There is no need to ask permission from anyone, everything must be done unilaterally. There is no state, Ukraine, no debts, no government of Ukraine in exile, no legal Bandera, no Ukrainian participants in various international organizations, no hostile state on the border of the Russian Federation. Russia will strengthen its economic and military-political influence in the world, there will be direct access to the EU countries. NATO will no longer be able to use Ukraine against Russia. The northwestern part of the Black Sea will belong to Russia.
    1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 4 September 2023 13: 10
      +2
      The legitimacy of all post-Soviet states is built on the "Belovezhskaya Pact" trill persons after a drinking bout (two Jews - Shushkevich, Kravchuk and drunkard Yeltsin), who are not authorized by anyone to resolve such issues. "The Belovezhskaya "treaty" of three persons is legally null, and therefore criminal, and the consequences are also not legitimate.
      1. Rhetorical Rita Offline Rhetorical Rita
        Rhetorical Rita (Rhetorical Rita) 4 September 2023 13: 37
        -4
        You are wrong. This is a common fake.
        1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 4 September 2023 13: 55
          +1
          (Rita) Replica. The facts are all true and undeniable. Here are the denials - definitely fake.
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    3. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
      Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 4 September 2023 14: 26
      +2
      Ukraine will exist whether we like it or not. It's just that in Russia there are no forces for the whole of Ukraine. And forces are needed for this, at least at least 1 million fighters on LBS with WEAPONS !!! From this you need to start. But there are no such forces. In addition, NATO will recognize Ukraine, even in the case of a piece of land the size of the Lviv region.
      1. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
        vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 4 September 2023 17: 34
        0
        More precisely. The Kremlin has no desire. The interests of third parties are higher than the state. Hence there is no goal of the NWO in Ukraine. It is enough to issue the Law of the Russian Federation that the entire territory of Ukraine, within the borders of 1975, is an integral part of Russia, and the processes of the collapse of the Ukrainian state will begin.
        What will give the Law of the Russian Federation
        1. A political move that will lead to the stabilization of actions in Ukraine.
        2. All actions of the leadership of the Russian Federation and the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will comply with the Law of the Russian Federation.
        3. Assigning the status of the territory of Ukraine, which is the territory of Russia, will allow the NVO to be transferred to the counter-terrorist operation (CTO), i.e. All military operations will be carried out in accordance with the law "On countering terrorism" dated 06.03.2006 N 35-FZ.
        4. The law will make it impossible for Ukraine and NATO countries to call the Russian Federation an aggressor.
        5. The law will deprive NATO of a goal in Ukraine and he will have to develop a new concept for the Russian Federation.
        6. The law will not allow Ukraine to quickly join NATO. The law will not allow NATO to intervene, to introduce troops from Poland, Romania, Hungary into the territory of Ukraine, and the annexation of Ukraine by these countries will automatically disappear. The law will not allow to conclude a confederal treaty between Ukraine and Poland, which is part of NATO, and Ukraine will not be able to become a member of NATO. The law will not allow the United States to blackmail and use nuclear weapons in Ukraine.
        7. The supply of weapons to separatist terrorists in Ukraine will be qualified as interference in the internal affairs of the Russian Federation.
        8. In the presence of the Law, the military operation conducted by Russia in Ukraine is the liberation of the territory of Russia occupied by separatists, the restoration of the territorial integrity of Russia, the reunification of peoples, the inclusion of the economy, population, territory of Ukraine in the sphere of economic activity of Russia.
        9. The law will give certainty about the future in Ukraine to citizens of the Russian Federation and Ukraine. Citizens living on the territory of Ukraine will not have to be afraid in the future for themselves, for persecution by the fascist regime.
        10. The law will set the goal. A strategy will be formed. Tactics were developed, tasks and deadlines were set, and the enemy was named.
  9. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
    Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 4 September 2023 14: 21
    +2
    War is war. Will blow up bridges, energy facilities. You can't save everything. The war must be ended and as soon as possible, and not after 2 or more years. It is a lie that it is beneficial for Russia to prolong the war. But as? Question. We can hardly manage without tactical nuclear weapons.
    1. DO Offline DO
      DO (Dmitriy) 4 September 2023 22: 05
      0
      Alexey Lan, yes, of course, war is not beneficial for Russia.
      However:
      Firstly, the use of tactical nuclear weapons in the territories of Ukraine that have already been annexed to Russia, and in the rest of Ukraine, which will undoubtedly be annexed (to Russia, and perhaps part of it to Belarus) - that is, on its own soil, is madness. There are other effective weapons that are more adequate for use in the air defense system in Ukraine.
      Secondly, yes, the SVO in Ukraine needs to be completed, the sooner the better. BUT it is not difficult to realize that after the victory over the current Kiev regime (or when the prospects for its defeat become extremely clear to Western experts), the West will most likely organize other border conflicts for Russia - with Finland, the Baltic states, Poland; Northern Sea Route, Japan, possibly Azerbaijan, ... As for tactical nuclear weapons, in some of these hypothetical conflicts, due to escalation, its use by Russia is not excluded.
      Therefore, we will have to “protect everything,” whether we want it or not. If experts consider that all-Russian martial law will help anti-sabotage measures, then it will have to be introduced.
  10. Oleg Apushkin Offline Oleg Apushkin
    Oleg Apushkin (Oleg Apushkin) 4 September 2023 16: 28
    +1
    The author often throws such articles. What leads to intrigue, a poll. or the like. There are potheads everywhere, even in the Kremlin, the example of Medinsky (installation of a memorial plaque to an accomplice of the Nazi blockade of Peter Mannerheim) Volodin (created a pocket oppositionist Navalny, there was a system failure or the wrong training manual was given to Alyosha, civil unrest.) and such examples of 10s this is the reason why it is so difficult to pass SVO.
  11. borisvt Offline borisvt
    borisvt (boris) 5 September 2023 00: 51
    +1
    Actual article, thanks to the author! However, measures are always taken, and conclusions are drawn. For example, after the sabotage against the Nevsky Express train in 2009, measures were taken to protect the transport infrastructure against terrorism, posts and barbed wire at each support, and I saw it myself without noise and details in the press. I believe that security measures are being taken now.
    As for the hydroelectric power station, I have to object,

    .. heavy trucks continue to pass through the dam of the Novosibirsk hydroelectric power station, despite the ban. And what happens if one goes, stuffed with a powerful explosive charge, as was done by Ukrainian terrorists on the Crimean bridge?

    Nothing threatening the lower floodplain will happen, since the dam is not a bridge, sorry. This is a powerful full-bodied structure, and even the engine room will not do anything, I suspect. Of course, there will be a hole in the roadway, traffic will be temporarily blocked and all that, but, fortunately, you won’t get by with a truck to bang the dam
  12. Flight Offline Flight
    Flight (voi) 5 September 2023 02: 50
    0
    What infrastructure facilities in Russia can become targets of Ukrainian terrorists

    Well, everything is clear here - the "orcs" do not bomb the bank, the "Ukronazis" do not bomb the Kremlin. The rest is at the discretion of the decision-making centers.
  13. Pembo Offline Pembo
    Pembo 5 September 2023 11: 45
    0
    Firstly, Kyiv has been deliberately preparing for a war against Russia since 2014, no matter what some of our compatriots think about this, preferring to bury their heads in the sand and deny the obvious

    Secondly, the work of Ukrainian and Western intelligence services is greatly simplified by the fact that in Russian society itself there is no consensus on the SVO, its goals and objectives, how and when the special operation should end. As the murder of military commander Tatarsky showed, a certain contingent, willingly or unwillingly, can act as an ally of the Kyiv regime.

    You, dear and respected author, like many authors of comments, write down all opponents of the NWO as either narrow-minded people who underestimate the dangers emanating from Ukraine and, more broadly, from NATO, or even as accomplices of the Ukrainian and Western intelligence services. Meanwhile, the goals of the SVO and the way the SVO began clearly indicate that a coup was planned in Kyiv, which Ukrainian society would swallow. And the formation in place of an independent state friendly to Russia. This seemed to be the solution to all problems: Crimea, Donbass, Ukraine in NATO. It was also important that the patriotic upsurge ensured the president a real victory in the elections despite the zeroing and raising of the retirement age. And the calculation was that the Ukrainians and the West would wipe themselves out, just as they wiped themselves out after the Crimea. What do we see based on the results of the SVO? Firstly, the West did not wipe itself off, but imposed simply monstrous sanctions on Russia. Secondly, both the Ukrainian government and the people of Ukraine have not given up, but are stubbornly resisting the NWO. As a result, instead of the declared demilitarization and denazification, we received unprecedented militarization and nazification of Ukraine. Finland and Sweden into NATO. A miraculous surge of Russophobia in Western countries. Those. The SVO led to results opposite to those stated and brought nothing but harm to Russia. All Russians including the President. Aw! SVO supporters, do you want harm to Russia? You say the NWO is not over yet, victory will be ours. At what cost will this victory be achieved? and what will this victory be expressed in? The price is martial law, mobilization is no longer partial, transfer of the country to a war footing. And the result: we will get a devastated country whose cities have been turned into Mariupol and Artemovski with a population that hates us, plus complete isolation from the largest world powers including China and India. Naturally, our government does not crave such “brilliant” prospects, but only craves for this SVO to end as quickly as possible, and preferably while saving face. It would be at least some kind of achievement to defend the land corridor to Crimea. Although we already had a land corridor to Crimea - the Crimean bridge. But people are snatching up this “achievement.” Although, if Lukashenko does not lie at the negotiations in Istanbul, the Russian delegation was even ready to approach the issue of Crimea “dialectically.” What is this if not a de facto recognition that the SVO is a colossal mistake, which, by the way, United Russia member K. Zatulin publicly admitted. Yes, the NWO caused some damage to Ukraine, but brought a lot of benefits to it as a country and nation. The society consolidated and provided enormous support in the world. Therefore, in fact, the supporters of Ukraine are not opponents, but supporters of the Northern Military District. We are opponents of the Northern Military District, we believe that it has brought nothing but harm, in the confrontation with the West, or in the confrontation with Ukraine. How should I have acted? Wait until Donbass is attacked, and then recognize the independence of the LDPR and intervene. Repeat the Georgian scenario, even if it obviously would not have led to similar success, but we would have maintained decency and would not have gotten into trouble.
    1. Nelton Offline Nelton
      Nelton (Oleg) 5 September 2023 12: 06
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      Quote from Pembo
      The NWO caused some damage to Ukraine, but brought a lot of benefits to it as a country and nation

      Well, this is very controversial...
      A lot of people left - and it’s not a fact that at least half will return.
      The attractiveness for investment - already so-so - has decreased even further.
      Now their Western curators force them into a ceasefire - and what will they have left except resentment towards the whole world?
      1. Pembo Offline Pembo
        Pembo 5 September 2023 16: 39
        -1
        Well, this is very controversial...
        A lot of people left - and it’s not a fact that at least half will return

        The Ukrainians who left will settle in Europe, is it definitely bad for the country? Perhaps, but for those who have left, it is rather good. Millions also left the Baltic States and Poland, and those who left are well, and these countries somehow live.
        Even before Ukraine was not very attractive for investment, in comparison with, say, Russia. So it definitely won’t be worse, because there’s nowhere worse. But our country has lost everything. And everything is known in comparison.

        Well, this is very controversial...

        What is actually debatable? Until 24.02.22/2014/14, and even more so until 24.02.22, there was a significant pro-Russian, not pro-Russian, but precisely a pro-Russian segment of the population in Ukraine. And it was, first of all, the population of the Crimea, Donbass, and the southeast. After XNUMX years, Crimea and Donbass fell away, the pro-Russian population decreased. After February XNUMX, XNUMX, the war came to the southeast of Ukraine, which, to put it mildly, did not contribute to pro-Russian sentiments, especially pro-Russian ones. In the war with Russia, the age-old dream of a Ukrainian is being realized - entry into Europe, even with a carcass, even with a stuffed animal, but you look at the whole country. Ukrainians do not have to be offended by the whole world yet. And if they understand that they themselves need to work, then they won’t have to.
        1. Nelton Offline Nelton
          Nelton (Oleg) 6 September 2023 09: 18
          0
          Quote from Pembo
          but for those who have left rather well.

          For those who have left, maybe.
          It's bad for the nation and the country.

          Quote from Pembo
          there was a significant pro-Russian, not pro-Russian, namely the pro-Russian segment of the population

          And what? what happened to us in the Russian Federation?

          Quote from Pembo
          Ukraine even before it was not very attractive for investment

          For canonical investments in production for export to third countries, the regions of Ukraine were much more attractive than the vast majority of regions of the Russian Federation.
          The fact that they could not realize this attractiveness is their problem.

          Quote from Pembo
          But our country has lost everything.

          Don't rush to bury us...

          The processes in the economy are going on interesting...
          throwing bonnets up and shouting cheers, of course, very early, but with all the problems - a unique window of opportunity has opened. Of course, they will not give an effect right now, but in the medium-long term.
          Well, right now - the state of affairs is not so depressing.
          Let's say the crisis of 2014 was felt more strongly.
          1. Pembo Offline Pembo
            Pembo 6 September 2023 15: 40
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            Quote from Pembo
            but for those who have left rather well.

            For those who have left, maybe.
            It's bad for the nation and the country.

            You broadcast imperial stereotypes.

            First think about your homeland, and then about yourself ....

            there was such a song. And then the motherland is on you ... it will forget about you. In civilized countries, they think about citizens so that they feel good, and if imperial greatness does not fit well into these plans, so much the worse for imperial greatness. The United States left both Vietnam and Afghanistan and survived nothing. And we, continuing this unconditionally lost war to Ukraine and the West, can bring the matter to the collapse of Russia.

            Quote from Pembo
            Ukraine even before it was not very attractive for investment

            For canonical investments in production for export to third countries, the regions of Ukraine were much more attractive than the vast majority of regions of the Russian Federation.
            The fact that they could not realize this attractiveness is their problem.

            You don’t understand simple things for an investor; the investment attractiveness of a COUNTRY consists of the population multiplied by its income, i.e. the volume of the domestic market. From this point of view, Ukraine: four times smaller in population and inferior in per capita income, naturally was much less attractive for investment. And the black soil and the climate gave only investments in the agricultural sector and that's it.
          2. Pembo Offline Pembo
            Pembo 6 September 2023 17: 25
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            Quote from Pembo
            But our country has lost everything.

            But do not rush to bury us ... (C).

            The processes in the economy are going on interesting...
            throwing bonnets up and shouting cheers, of course, very early, but with all the problems - a unique window of opportunity has opened. Of course, they will not give an effect right now, but in the medium-long term.
            Well, right now - the state of affairs is not so depressing.
            Let's say the crisis of 2014 was felt more strongly.

            I'll start from the end.

            Let's say the crisis of 2014 felt stronger

            For what and for whom is it stronger? For the pockets of the population, when the dollar jumped twice up, with a corresponding increase in prices. Yes, in our pockets the crisis of 14 years was very felt! And how did this affect the economy? And it had a wonderful effect on the economy. Still, yesterday the investment dollar meant 35 rubles, and today: in 14 it was already 70 rubles. Investors, exporters benefited directly from the low exchange rate of the ruble, and the entire economy indirectly.

            Well, right now - the state of affairs is not so depressing.

            Our economy is being isolated. Even the BRICS Development Bank refuses to invest because of the sanctions. Energy trade hangs: oil to India for rupees has proven to be bad business. China has shown no interest in the Power of Siberia-2 gas pipeline. Promising rich deposits hung. Do you see the prospects in the fact that we used to borrow everything from the West: investment technologies, and now we will develop volance-nevolence on our own? It's all utopia. Western technologies are the fruit of the development of the last decades, the fruit of the work of the best scientists and engineers of the West, where there are many immigrants from Russia. To think that we can now repeat all this in a short time is a utopia. We won't be able to steal these technologies. How Zimbabwe will not create an atomic bomb even if he steals the secret of its creation.

            The processes in the economy are going on interesting...

            What interesting things are happening in our economy? What are these processes? Is it possible to elaborate. Is the process of screwing the nameplate Moskvich on a Chinese car will give "the effect is not direct today, but in the medium-long term."?
            1. Nelton Offline Nelton
              Nelton (Oleg) 6 September 2023 17: 46
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              Quote from Pembo
              What are these processes? Is it possible to elaborate. Is the process of screwing the nameplate Moskvich on a Chinese car will give "the effect is not direct today, but in the medium-long term."?

              Those markets that were previously densely occupied by TNCs are now occupied by Russian companies, instead of factories. in 2023, at the same Moskvich, they may have started with gluing the nameplate, but soon they started stamping-welding-painting the body. This has already been at the Volkswagen and Renault factories, and the current localization is lower than what Renault has achieved. But now the Russian owner determines the pool of suppliers, not the foreign one.
              By the way, the component factories are also slowly restarting under the control of new Russian owners. (today the Bosch spark plug factory was restarted)
              All this gives the Russian Federation a chance to get its own strong companies in a number of industries, and not just be an apprentice.
              Separately, it is worth noting that Chinese companies are ready to supply products and components, but they really do not want to seize the markets by buying out / building factories, fearing secondary sanctions.

              Quote from Pembo
              Western technologies are the fruit of the development of the last decades, the fruit of the work of the best scientists and engineers of the West, where there are many immigrants from Russia. To think that we can now repeat all this in a short time is a utopia. We won't be able to steal these technologies.

              In theorycraft, it is.
              In practice, so far it has been possible to reproduce these Western technologies somewhere, to buy a Chinese analogue somewhere, and to get Western ones using gray schemes somewhere.

              There are enough countries in the world that are burdened by dependence on one supplier.
              And for the sake of diversification - what the Russian Federation can do with more or less acceptable quality / price - they will take.

              for an investor, the investment attractiveness of a COUNTRY is the sum of the population multiplied by its income, i.e. the volume of the domestic market.

              Investments are considered canonical not for the market of the country where investments are made, but for export to third countries. This is how the countries of Southeast Asia - the bulk of the products were beyond the reach of the local population, but it allowed investors to save on salaries.
              In Ukraine, everything was fine in this regard, and convenient logistics for the export of products, and moderate salary expectations of the population.
          3. Pembo Offline Pembo
            Pembo 6 September 2023 17: 43
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            Quote from Pembo
            there was a significant pro-Russian, not pro-Russian, namely the pro-Russian segment of the population

            And what? what happened to us in the Russian Federation?

            Otherwise, it would have been for us that Ukraine, which had come to Europe, would have brought to Europe a multi-million pro-Russian, and maybe even a pro-Russian contingent. And it would be easier to fit in the tail of Ukraine into a single European home. Now this path is closed, but it was possible. But it's not enough for us to be an ordinary European country, we definitely need to be one of the world's poles. Now we are sitting in a complete .... complete pole.
            1. Nelton Offline Nelton
              Nelton (Oleg) 7 September 2023 09: 20
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              Quote from Pembo
              it would be easier to fit in the tail of Ukraine into a single European home

              Doubtful.

              One of the reasons why Ukraine so zealously denies everything Russian is precisely the understanding that Russians will not be taken to Europe.

              2 even proving to everyone and everything that they are not Russian-entry into the EU was hefty slow.

              3, even at the level of countries such as Poland and Bulgaria, it can be seen that the farther from the old EU countries, the less investment. Silesia is one thing, Bialystok is another.
              In these scenarios, Ukraine (with what the western one) shone only what they disdained in Poland (eastern), Kharkov would get even less ... well, the regions of the Russian Federation east of the Volga in this paradigm did not shine at all, except to supply raw materials

              4 i.e. of all the pluses, there was only a theoretical opportunity to leave for the EU to work. But if you really want this so much, it’s much easier to do it on an individual basis than to wait for Ukraine to be taken into the EU first, then Turkey, then France and the Benelux will leave the EU after Britain, and then maybe they will take the Russian Federation ...

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              Now we are sitting in a complete .... complete pole.

              Do not escalate.
              Let's say infrastructure projects are now going even better than before the NWO.
              With the construction of housing everything is OK.
              Transport (including elevators) runs.
              People are already buying cars for 100+ thousand per month - up to_SVO_shny level.
          4. Pembo Offline Pembo
            Pembo 6 September 2023 18: 05
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            But our country has lost everything.

            But do not rush to bury us ... (C).

            The processes in the economy are going on interesting...
            throwing bonnets up and shouting cheers, of course, very early, but with all the problems - a unique window of opportunity has opened. Of course, they will not give an effect right now, but in the medium-long term.
            Well, right now - the state of affairs is not so depressing.
            Let's say the crisis of 2014 was felt more strongly.

            The crisis of 2014 was felt more strongly in the pockets of the population. The dollar jumped twice, the prices for imported goods and exported goods jumped accordingly, and the prices for everything crawled after them. Yes, it hit the population, but the economy? And it was great for the economy. A dollar of investments gave not 35, but 70 rubles of investments. The dollar earned on export is not 35, but 70 earned rubles. The general increase in prices led to the fact that the manufacturer earned more, and paid the workers as before. Therefore, despite the Crimea, the investment attractiveness of Russia has only increased.
          5. Pembo Offline Pembo
            Pembo 6 September 2023 20: 46
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            But our country has lost everything.

            But do not rush to bury us ... (C).

            The processes in the economy are going on interesting...

            throwing bonnets up and shouting cheers, of course, very early, but with all the problems - a unique window of opportunity has opened. Of course, they will not give an effect right now, but in the medium-long term.
            Well, right now - the state of affairs is not so depressing.
            Let's say the crisis of 2014 was felt more strongly.

            "Processes in the economy are interesting..." What are these interesting processes? Is it possible to elaborate. Our main source of currency, energy exports, is stagnating. Exporting oil to India for rupees proved to be bad business. China shows no interest in the Power of Siberia-2 gas pipeline. The reorientation of gas exports from Europe to Asia is not working yet. Has a unique window of opportunity opened up? So you want to say that if we used to use ready-made Western technologies, then being cut off from them, we will begin to intensively develop them? This is a utopia! These technologies were created by the best scientists and engineers of the West, among whom there are many of our compatriots for many decades. To think that regardless of them we will go this way faster is a utopia. Our isolation from world technologies, world science will not lead to a surge of scientific and engineering thought in the country, but to the final degradation of this very thought. Moreover, our nouveau riche are by no means eager to invest in risky scientific projects, but the state? Nepotism, nepotism and the sawing of big grandmas dominate there.