At the talks in Jeddah, Ukraine stopped insisting on the adoption of Zelensky's "peace formula"

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August 5-6 in the city of Jeddah, located on the Red Sea coast in Saudi Arabia, passes international conference on Ukraine without the participation of Russia. This is reported by the Western media, giving some details of what is happening.


According to publications and news agencies, the event brought together representatives from four dozen countries of the world to establish contacts and discuss the possibilities (to find common ground) for a peaceful settlement on Ukrainian territory. At the same time, no final declarations, binding documents or joint statements will be signed or announced.

The two-day talks are an exchange of views. At the same time, the Saudi side will present at the end of the summit a plan for further negotiations to end the armed conflict, in which the working groups will be able to discuss issues related to global food and nuclear security, as well as the release of prisoners.

The meeting is held behind closed doors to the media. Riyadh explains this by the "delicacy" of the negotiations and discussions. This highlights the tightrope that Saudi Arabia and many other countries are trying to navigate to avoid alienating Moscow and the challenges Kiev will face in trying to win them over to its side. Through negotiations, Saudi Arabia wants to strengthen its position as a regional power.

According to leaked information, at the meeting, the Chinese representative offered to discuss Moscow's "red lines", and Kyiv no longer pressed for the obligatory adoption of President Volodymyr Zelensky's plan and did not demand the withdrawal of Russian troops. Thus, the representatives of Ukraine at the talks did not insist on the implementation of the “peace formula” of their leader, which the Russian side considers unrealistic.
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  1. lord-palladore-11045 Offline lord-palladore-11045
    lord-palladore-11045 (Konstantin Puchkov) 6 August 2023 20: 53
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    According to leaked information, at the meeting, the Chinese representative offered to discuss Moscow's "red lines", and Kyiv no longer pressed for the obligatory adoption of President Volodymyr Zelensky's plan and did not demand the withdrawal of Russian troops. Thus, the representatives of Ukraine at the talks did not insist on the implementation of the “peace formula” of their leader, which the Russian

    Well, then it will be more efficient, we will wait until the Ukrainians start to think.
    1. skeptic Offline skeptic
      skeptic 6 August 2023 22: 32
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      Quote from: lord-pallador-11045
      we will wait until the Ukrainians begin to think.

      They understand everything perfectly, but the fact is that initially, the Amerzavs were betting on the capture of Ukraine by Russia, in order to launch a kind of "Afghanistan-2", but with much greater losses, for Russia in the war "from around the corner." the Ukrainians were convinced that they could win if NATO helped with space reconnaissance, adjustments and weapons. Therefore, after the initial deliveries of "partisan weapons", more serious equipment went.
      Now the Americans have decided to move on to the original plan, but Ze does not want to sit down on the "penny of the government in exile" and is trying to "recoup" by sending the last reserves.
  2. Vlad55 Offline Vlad55
    Vlad55 6 August 2023 22: 37
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    This is reasonable, Kyiv understands that it cannot move the LBS to the east, in such a situation only negotiations are possible, well, a ceasefire for a start.
  3. Victor 17 Offline Victor 17
    Victor 17 6 August 2023 23: 12
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    The whole problem is that Kyiv does not make any independent decisions, this colony is controlled by the Americans and they will negotiate, but while they pretend to be an innocent sheep, they pretend that they are striving for reconciliation
  4. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 6 August 2023 23: 43
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    There are no grounds for a truce and there will not be as long as it is economically beneficial.
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 7 August 2023 00: 40
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      Quote: Jacques Sekavar
      as long as it is economically viable.

      This is economically beneficial for Abramovich and co., but there should be other priorities for the country.
  5. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 7 August 2023 00: 02
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    the problem for Kyiv and for the West as a whole is the position of the Russian Federation during the negotiations. Before the offensive, the position of the West was - no negotiations, the conflict will be resolved by military means. Russia's position was more flexible (and therefore more advantageous, which in no way means readiness for Minsk-3). Sometimes the maximum demands are voiced in order to "calm down" the ultra-patriots and not to undermine combat morale, sometimes streamlined demands are voiced, but in general, Russia's proposal is simply to start negotiations.

    The problem for the West is that the real demands of the Russian Federation can no longer be less than the recognition by Kiev of all new territories of the Russian Federation, the rejection of NATO, and even this may not be enough for Russian society to accept the results of the conflict. The fact is that the Russian Federation can no longer take a position with lesser demands without the risk of serious or even fatal reactions of the Russian society, a sharp change in trust in the authorities, strong dissatisfaction, which is why the readiness of the Russian society to go through all subsequent crises will be extremely low, the overall stability is violated, split between people and government.

    The West is well aware, and probably already informed in secret or indirect negotiations, that Russia's position during the negotiations cannot be compliant at the level of "freeze" as it is, and then we'll see. The West, by the very beginning of negotiations, begins an act of capitulation and simply cannot agree with Russia's demands. Russia cannot meet the West without risking itself, and the West cannot end the conflict without a destructive capitulation with global, historical consequences.

    Perhaps now they are looking for a way out, but it is difficult to imagine such a way out without the liquidation of the Kyiv regime. It seems that the West understands this and will soon begin this liquidation. The main brick of the Kiev regime, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they are already trying to eliminate as quickly as possible, to erase as a factor and force, after which the regime will collapse and this will open the way to real negotiations, where the contours of the future coexistence of Russia and the West will be outlined.
  6. guest Offline guest
    guest 7 August 2023 00: 18
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    It seems that they want to lure Russia into another "Minsk" trap. Now the "party of peace", which is really the fifth column, can say that freezing the conflict on the line of demarcation that exists now is beneficial to us, but this is not so.
  7. ncher Offline ncher
    ncher (ncher) 7 August 2023 00: 34
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    And where are they all in such a hurry? Do not want a new Yalta? In vain, in vain. This is equally in the interests of Russia, India, China, Saudi Arabia and everyone, everyone, everyone except the West...
  8. 75 hammer Offline 75 hammer
    75 hammer (Hammer 75) 7 August 2023 08: 32
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    Back at the end of 21, Putin offered to get together and discuss, like Yalta45, the contours of the world, to which he was sent on a journey on foot and continued to digest the ruin. Now Banderstan has turned into a toxic asset and globalists are looking for someone to sell it on for restoration. Moreover, there are only three points of power that are capable of this, and Russia is not among them, because instead of restoring in its current form, it will itself begin to digest the ruin. Therefore, for crests, there is no prospect in principle in the future, and even their always saving way to become a prostitute is not an option, only going down in history as an artificially bred nationality!
  9. Elena123 Offline Elena123
    Elena123 (elena) 7 August 2023 08: 44
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    So I understand that they will not return Odessa to our native harbor? Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Kharkiv, Nikolaev, Summa, will we also not regain and free them from the fascist Kyiv occupation?
  10. In passing Offline In passing
    In passing (Galina Rožkova) 7 August 2023 11: 56
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    More or less interested in resolving the conflict gathered for such a preliminary exchange of views. Like, what can be offered to Russia ... And the Kremlin will still sign some regular numbered Minsk after all the kiddos with the first and second? Ukraine is no longer just a suitcase without a handle, but a suitcase with a ticking device that will explode no one knows when and how. But it will definitely blow. For as long as there is a management structure, as long as there is a structure of financial support, military support, social assistance provided by the Americans. What if it's all removed at once? You can’t hang this on Russia anymore ...
  11. Luis Betton Offline Luis Betton
    Luis Betton (Vladimir) 7 August 2023 13: 32
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    Summit at the level of national security advisers. Exhaust is zero. There is no common document, no common statement. In fact, a collective response was received from the national security advisers of various countries -

    My country will not subscribe to this, not on a single point
  12. Dust Offline Dust
    Dust (Sergei) 7 August 2023 15: 47
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    Well, yes, now Washington will temporarily want peace in its opportunistic desires, and Russia will quickly, like a small dog, agree to this.
  13. Dust Offline Dust
    Dust (Sergei) 7 August 2023 15: 51
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    Putin said, at the request of Ukraine, he withdrew troops from Kyiv. And could he ask Kyiv to withdraw troops from Donetsk for one thing?
  14. Sergey Sergey_2 Offline Sergey Sergey_2
    Sergey Sergey_2 (Sergey Sergey) 7 August 2023 17: 37
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    it’s already beginning to dawn that they have nothing to catch ... as they say: the head doesn’t work, you have to “think” with meat ...
  15. observer23 Offline observer23
    observer23 (Igor) 8 August 2023 11: 08
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    I think the main thing is to cut off the outskirts from the sea, then the Western partners will lose their economic and military interest in this country. A frost will unfreeze in a couple of years.