Military expert Shurygin commented on the resignation of Major General Popov


In the patriotic and near-war media, the main topic of the past day was resignation Major General Ivan Popov after criticizing the leadership of the Russian Ministry of Defense. The appeal of the commander to his subordinates, where he pointed out the difficulties with the rotation of military personnel on the front line, got into open access. Shortly thereafter, the officer was retired.


Military expert Vladislav Shurygin believes that there is nothing unusual in the incident. He recalled that conflicts between senior officers in the Russian army often happened and ended with the resignation of a lower-ranking officer or his transfer to another position in another unit.

The army is a rigid hierarchy and a rigid vertical of subordination. The history of conflicts between seniors and juniors is as old as the world. And such a conflict is always resolved in the same way. Most often, removal and transfer to another position follow. During the Second World War, there were dozens of such removals and transfers, but due to the lack of the Internet, few knew about it. And in the current situation, such suspensions are not something out of the ordinary. But before that, such a speech by the general

- says Vladislav Shurygin.

Paying tribute to the experience and authority of Major General Popov, Shurygin believes that bringing the problems of the army into the public arena and criticizing the higher command in the context of a special military operation are unacceptable.

The expert reminded all critics of the General Staff and its chief Valery Gerasimov that the current command managed to repulse all attempts of the enemy counteroffensive. Largely due to the work of the General Staff, the Ukrainian army was unable to achieve any success after 40 days of continuous attacks on our positions.
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  1. ordin64 Offline ordin64
    ordin64 (Sergei) 14 July 2023 12: 48
    +22
    Largely due to the work of the General Staff, the Ukrainian army was unable to achieve any success after 40 days of continuous attacks on our positions.

    Well, yes, the General Staff. He fights without rotation, which means that those who are in the trenches should also. One of Popov's requirements was this.
    1. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
      Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 14 July 2023 14: 38
      +18
      I will add: in contrast to the General Staff, which sees and thinks globally, the army commander specifically works with commanders on the ground, has information about the situation at a particular place of defense. And this is definitely not a little, no less than the contribution of the General Staff, which screwed up the first stage of the SVO.
    2. skeptic Offline skeptic
      skeptic 15 July 2023 08: 10
      +11
      Quote: ordin64
      Largely due to the work of the General Staff, the Ukrainian army was unable to achieve any success after 40 days of continuous attacks on our positions.

      Well, yes, the General Staff. He fights without rotation, which means that those who are in the trenches should also.

      But the giraffe is not guilty, but the one who shouted from the branches; "Giraffe" is big - he knows better.
      Seriously, the whole "work" of the General Staff lies in the fact that there is no rotation on the front line, timely provision of ammunition and rot of those who are still trying to somehow extend DEFENSE.
      Apparently they are haunted by the business of the "Iraqi generals"? One thing is not clear - is the GDP also "impressed" by the fate of Saddam Hussein?
      1. nepunamemuk Offline nepunamemuk
        nepunamemuk (Akela Missed) 15 July 2023 14: 19
        0
        yes no
        wants like Milosevic
        "his" death
        such as diabetes am
    3. Mish Offline Mish
      Mish (Misha) 17 July 2023 13: 42
      0
      Quote: ordin64
      Largely due to the work of the General Staff, the Ukrainian army was unable to achieve any success after 40 days of continuous attacks on our positions.

      Well, yes, the General Staff. He fights without rotation, which means that those who are in the trenches should also. One of Popov's requirements was this.

      Commander-in-Chief of the Airborne Forces Teplinsky, who was also recently removed, personally planned the lines of defense. And he became commander-in-chief after the Kharkov flight
  2. Radio Offline Radio
    Radio (Alexander Shabalin) 14 July 2023 13: 37
    +5
    The history of military conflicts shows that the army in which the one who is right, and not the one who has more rights, wins more often. Fortunately, there were exceptions.
    1. kapitan92 Offline kapitan92
      kapitan92 (Vyacheslav) 15 July 2023 22: 12
      +5
      Quote from Radist
      The history of military conflicts shows that the army in which the one who is right, and not the one who has more rights, wins more often. Fortunately, there were exceptions.

      According to history, the Army that knows what it is fighting for wins !!!
      They fight for those who are on the right and on the left and for those who are behind. In Syria, they blew themselves up with the words "for the boys"! hi
    2. Mish Offline Mish
      Mish (Misha) 17 July 2023 13: 44
      0
      Quote from Radist
      The history of military conflicts shows that the army in which the one who is right, and not the one who has more rights, wins more often. Fortunately, there were exceptions.

      I can just imagine how Nelson listens to instructions before Trafalgar, or Suvorov in Italy is waiting for advice
  3. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 14 July 2023 14: 03
    +14
    that the current command managed to repel all attempts at an enemy counteroffensive

    Grunts! The Commander-in-Chief set other goals for this SVO, but the General Staff was preparing for another.
  4. Vox Populi Offline Vox Populi
    Vox Populi (vox populi) 14 July 2023 17: 22
    +3
    The appeal of the commander to his subordinates, where he pointed out the difficulties with the rotation of military personnel on the front line, got into open access.

    And other issues too...
  5. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 14 July 2023 23: 10
    +14
    The expert reminded all critics of the General Staff and its chief Valery Gerasimov that the current command managed to repulse all attempts of the enemy counteroffensive.

    But the author didn’t think of why the Armed Forces of Ukraine are advancing, and the RF Armed Forces are defending, this is how to determine the influence of Gerasimov’s NGSh on this, when the second army of the world defends itself from the advancing second-rate army. It is not the reason for such a failure and the SVO that has been dragging on for more than a year and a half, the chief commanders are responsible - the first minister of the RF Ministry of Defense and the NGSH of the RF Armed Forces.
    1. Mish Offline Mish
      Mish (Misha) 17 July 2023 13: 48
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      Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
      The expert reminded all critics of the General Staff and its chief Valery Gerasimov that the current command managed to repulse all attempts of the enemy counteroffensive.

      But the author didn’t think of why the Armed Forces of Ukraine are advancing, and the RF Armed Forces are defending, this is how to determine the influence of Gerasimov’s NGSh on this, when the second army of the world defends itself from the advancing second-rate army. It is not the reason for such a failure and the SVO that has been dragging on for more than a year and a half, the chief commanders are responsible - the first minister of the RF Ministry of Defense and the NGSH of the RF Armed Forces.

      And by what principle do you rank armies? If by ships, then, yes, absolute superiority. Both in aviation and in nuclear weapons. But in the land army, not everything is so rosy
  6. Fahrenheit Offline Fahrenheit
    Fahrenheit (KinWick) 15 July 2023 09: 51
    +14
    I had a different opinion about Shurygin, and then he took it and shitted everything (grunted!)
    1. Adam Offline Adam
      Adam (A/dam) 15 July 2023 16: 09
      +5
      Everyone wants to eat someone else's sandwich with butter and red caviar. And at the expense of "unacceptable" - I assure you that it is permissible and necessary if all the methods adopted earlier did not bring the desired result. And this is exactly the case. Yes, my God!!! You look at the "Giraffe" - the country is on fire, and he "rides", launches trams, celebrates at parties. He HIMSELF dampens the country, the people look at him and think: it's okay, since the Supreme is walking. Some inadequacy. He only needs to deal with war (sorry-SVO), and the rest is second.
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  7. Serj Iff Offline Serj Iff
    Serj Iff (Serj Iff) 15 July 2023 10: 13
    +10
    Largely thanks to the work of the General Staff, the Ukrainian army was unable to achieve any success after 40 days of continuous attacks on our positions.

    Firstly, this General Staff, and first of all the GU (GRU), GOU (operational management) were to be shot for planning and conducting the initial stage of the SVO.
    Secondly, this General Staff, namely the GOMU (organizational mobilization department) should have been shot for carrying out partial mobilization and the state of the mobilization resource as a whole.
    And thirdly and most importantly, this General Staff cannot convince the Supreme Civil Code to conduct another mobilization. No mobilization - no rotation. And there will be no attack either. And Ivan Popov is to blame.
    That's the whole "work of the General Staff".
    1. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
      Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 15 July 2023 18: 54
      +2
      Well, actually, we don’t know what the General Staff planned and recommended to the Supreme. The General Staff is not an organization that would not provide for different options for the development of the situation (war). And what the Supreme will approve is another question.
  8. Yaroslav the Wise (Yaroslav the Wise) 15 July 2023 10: 19
    +12
    Thanks to whom!?! General Staff?! Are you kidding me? Maybe all the same thanks to those officers and soldiers who are now on the front line?

    It seems that everyone has already forgotten that even before the entry of the NM DLNR into the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, without any generalissimos from the General Staff of the Russian Federation, they coped well with the defense of their territories. And even created "cauldrons" for banderlozhny bastards.
    1. Mish Offline Mish
      Mish (Misha) 17 July 2023 13: 52
      0
      Quote: Yaroslav the Wise
      Thanks to whom!?! General Staff?! Are you kidding me? Maybe all the same thanks to those officers and soldiers who are now on the front line?

      It seems that everyone has already forgotten that even before the entry of the NM DLNR into the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, without any generalissimos from the General Staff of the Russian Federation, they coped well with the defense of their territories. And even created "cauldrons" for banderlozhny bastards.

      You are a little confusing. 5 years ago, Ukraine didn’t have an army. Just look how much and what they have delivered over the past 1.5 years. Yes, and Russian troops helped the republics a lot at that time
  9. Sergey. Offline Sergey.
    Sergey. 15 July 2023 10: 41
    +10
    Shurygin is an expert!!! We remember what he said about the defeat of Ukraine a year and a half ago!!! Everything is exactly the opposite as of today. And Gerasimov and shougu, these outstanding commanders, will not be going anywhere. Loyalty is the main thing in personnel policy. Yes, and the chief geographer knows where you can catch a pike, this is the main thing.
  10. Lisa Kerner Offline Lisa Kerner
    Lisa Kerner 15 July 2023 12: 13
    +7
    There will be regular victorious reports about the course of the special operation, which day after day are minted from TV screens by Lieutenant General Igor Konashenkov. From which it is completely impossible to understand what is really happening in the war zone.

    That's right, one lie!
    To eliminate an honest and experienced military man is the deepest mistake !!!
  11. Lisa Kerner Offline Lisa Kerner
    Lisa Kerner 15 July 2023 12: 25
    +7
    I had this thought:
    1. For too long, the GDP was dragging on the recognition of the DPR and LPR.
    2. Didn't Russian intelligence and GDP itself understand that the "Minsk Agreement" was a tactic to deceive the West?
    3. It would be necessary to immediately recognize the DPR and LPR and immediately along their borders to Banderostan put strong and well-armed military corps (given the bitter experience of June 22, 1941).
    4. ... and immediately at the first moment of Banderostan's attempt to give them a massive response with rockets across Kyiv!
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  12. Ulan.1812 Offline Ulan.1812
    Ulan.1812 (Boris Gerasimov) 15 July 2023 16: 08
    +4
    Shurygin should have known that it was not Popov who brought this to the public field, but General Gurulev.
    1. Electric welder Offline Electric welder
      Electric welder 15 July 2023 19: 34
      0
      Reserve General, Duma Deputy Gurulyov. And it was necessary to take out all the rubbish from the hut into public space? Become a media general.
      1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 16 July 2023 20: 10
        +1
        Well, yes, in your opinion, sweep all the garbage and dirt under the carpet and everything will be smooth and beautiful, that's for a long time. WAR has been going on for more than a year and a half, tens of thousands have been killed, most of the latest equipment has been destroyed - and this is rubbish in your opinion, you need to sound the alarm to the fullest, otherwise the problems will only become more complicated and expand with such inaction, or possibly inadequate and not professional action.
  13. Sergey Sergey_2 Offline Sergey Sergey_2
    Sergey Sergey_2 (Sergey Sergey) 15 July 2023 19: 21
    -3
    there are healthy-minded people here or they compete with each other how to shit our country harder, but at least crack it the way we need, and not you ... ahahahahahah)))
    1. I've been sitting for a long time (Iln) 16 July 2023 09: 02
      +2
      screw up our country

      Read the comments carefully again, there was no talk about the country at all, here they are discussing the mediocre leadership of the Moscow Region and its head, the General Staff and its leader ...
      And also the one who started the NWO, being at the same time not ready for this operation, hoping for illusory agreements, without analyzing the possible consequences ...
  14. svit55 Offline svit55
    svit55 (Sergey Valentinovich) 15 July 2023 22: 00
    +3
    For a year and a half, the SVO can draw some conclusions: - intelligence and analytics are a complete failure, - planning and operational decisions on operations are a complete failure, - mobilization is a failure .. and so on. This is the activity of the General Staff and the Moscow Region. What are the results of SVO? For 1.5 years, a line of defense was created. Did you go there for this?
  15. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 16 July 2023 00: 00
    +1
    What did you want?
    Again, many criticize the braces. And it hasn't been 2 years...
    But just subsided (before the march) a wave of PR, where Gerasimov was admired by everyone ... "experts", foreigners, and even the Armed Forces of Ukraine ...

    And here again ...
  16. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 16 July 2023 09: 25
    +1
    The current government certainly does not really need military generals, and even those who speak the unpleasant truth. They, unlike others, are heard by people. And you can’t weld a treacherous agreement with them, like the Istanbul one praised by the president, or even earlier the Minsk one. They cannot go to the betrayal of the defenders of the Motherland and those who died defending it.
  17. Bmp1-47152 Offline Bmp1-47152
    Bmp1-47152 (Andrey Vladimirovich Lintiugov) 16 July 2023 10: 55
    0
    The General Staff succeeded .... But at what cost we will never know about this ...
  18. Andrey Andreev_2 (Andrey Andreev) 17 July 2023 09: 00
    +2
    There is no place in the army for thinking, independent, decision-making ... servicemen. There must be puppets, blindly following directions and following orders...
  19. Messenger Offline Messenger
    Messenger (Drug67) 17 July 2023 15: 44
    -1
    Shurygin in the trenches for a year and a half, let's see how he sings.
  20. Vasya 225 Offline Vasya 225
    Vasya 225 (Vyacheslav) 18 July 2023 14: 04
    0
    During the Second World War, everything was decided by the headquarters of the Supreme and its representatives. The General Staff was only working on map operations. Why questions to Gerasimov and Shoigu? Their turn should be fifth. Where is the guide?
    Hence all the results.