Does Russia need ersatz AWACS aircraft


A few days ago, Ukrainian terrorists carried out another air attack on Moscow and the Moscow region. Five attack drones, stuffed with powerful explosive charges, were shot down or disabled by electronic warfare. Fortunately, there were no civilian casualties. However, the question arises why enemy drones are still able to reach the capital region of Russia?


Sword and shield


The answer is simple and at the same time unpleasant. On the one hand, there is simply no continuous radar field over our country, and Ukrainian UAVs, guided by NATO navigation systems, are able to penetrate the existing gaps. Last year, Soviet-made Tu-141 Strizh drones, turned by the Armed Forces of Ukraine into kamikaze drones, twice managed to reach the airfield of the Long-Range Aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Engels.

On the other hand, the air defense / missile defense system over Moscow was developed back in the USSR to repel US ballistic missiles and was simply not designed for such a target as small-sized low-flying UAVs. It is also problematic to completely cover the giant metropolitan agglomeration with modern anti-aircraft missile systems, since we have far from an infinite number of air defense systems and air defense systems, and they are urgently needed at the front, where it is now very hot.

Taken together, this means that the terrorist threat from Ukraine to Russian cities will be permanent. In addition to the rear regions, the task of raising the level of operational awareness of the RF Armed Forces about all enemy actions in the NVO zone is extremely urgent: the movements of Ukrainian troops, missile launches and the rise of enemy aircraft into the sky. Therefore, in the expert community, a variety of proposals are made on how to quickly solve such a serious problem.

In particular, the well-known military expert Ilya Kramnik in his Telegram channel proposed to compensate for the shortage of specialized AWACS A-50 reconnaissance aircraft in the form of old An-12s equipped with simpler radars:

Task: reconnaissance aircraft with a duration of loitering from 6 hours, capable of detecting both air and ground targets. Condition: the use of aircraft in service (in storage), so as not to waste time ordering and manufacturing new, and available serial equipment.

Solution: An-12 military transport aircraft with N035 Irbis radar and a side-view optics complex. Radars at the first stage are removed from Su-35 fighters under repair for the duration of their repair (the number of Su-35s under repair is generally constant, and taking into account the ongoing war and intensive flights, it is not as small as we would like, the resource is being spent actively, and for electronics, it is higher than for an aircraft), and then you can ship a few new pieces. Information from the radar and cameras is fed to 4-6 operator workplaces, equipped in the cargo compartment. The output is something like Nimrod AEW in native aspens.

The idea is really good. The disadvantages include the relatively short loitering time of such an ersatz AWACS aircraft in the air, which is only 6 hours, which will require the organization of continuous shift duty of several aircraft and their crews. Their operation will also require the appropriate infrastructure. All takeoffs and landings of the upgraded An-12s will be recorded by the enemy satellite constellation, and their base will be the primary target for long-range missiles and Ukrainian DRGs.

However, in war as in war, if the service is normally established, then these problems are solved in working order. However, for my part, I would like to once again voice an equally effective way to create a permanent radar field for our air defense.

"Battle airships"


Yes, the idea of ​​hanging a radar on a balloon fixed on a special cable is far from new. Similar technical solutions have been used in Israel for a long time to control the border with Israel. The most interesting thing is that in our country there is an appropriate financialtechnical base.

This, for example, is the Au-33 Gepard tethered aerostatic system (PAK) developed by NPO Avgur-RosAeroSystems. This is not something hastily put together on the knee, the device was developed as part of the state defense order and was successfully tested back in 2009. Its purpose is to detect low-flying air targets. "Cheetah" can be in the sky for two weeks at an altitude of up to 2 kilometers. The carrying capacity of the tethered balloon is 300 kilograms, which would make it possible to place on it, say, the H035 Irbis radar mentioned by Mr. Kramnik with a side-view optics complex. The power supply of the radar is carried out by cable.

In addition to Gepard, a larger version of it called Puma has been developed and tested in Russia. PAK "Puma" is able to stay at an altitude of 2 to 5 kilometers for 25 days. Its carrying capacity can reach, according to some sources, 2 tons. In addition to radar and other reconnaissance equipment, the balloon can carry communication and relay equipment, digital voice data, television image and radio wave transmitters, which guarantee communication on any type of frequency over an area of ​​up to 100 square kilometers. As of 000, the cost of one balloon was about $ 2011 million, and the Russian Ministry of Defense then seemed to be going to order as many as 3 of them.

By the way, where are they?

It would be enough to place a dozen or two of these devices along the border with Ukraine and somewhere halfway to the Russian capital region to create a continuous radar field through which not a single enemy drone can slip through unnoticed. Why reinvent the wheel, riveting ersatz AWACS aircraft from old An-12s, if there are “combat airships” already worked out and passed state tests? Structurally, these are extremely primitive aircraft, where there are no nanotechnologies or sub-sanctioned imported components. The component base is domestic. What are the problems to start collecting them in series and putting them into service?
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  1. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
    Mikhail L. 5 July 2023 19: 50
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    the cost of one balloon was about 3 million dollars

    ?! Even if balloons detect 100% of targets, what is the use of this if:

    It is also problematic to completely cover the giant metropolitan agglomeration with modern anti-aircraft missile systems, since we have a far from infinite number of air defense systems and air defense systems

    Shoot down UAVs with slingshots?
    1. DO Offline DO
      DO (Dmitriy) 5 July 2023 21: 14
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      Shoot down UAVs with slingshots?

      Maybe from helicopters, including small unmanned ones, or, for example, from suitably equipped Yak-130s, or from fast drones?
    2. DO Offline DO
      DO (Dmitriy) 5 July 2023 21: 45
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      PS If radar airships are attacked not by low-speed propeller drones, but by serious anti-radar missiles, then the only small chance for airships to survive is to have anti-missiles on board.
  2. DO Offline DO
    DO (Dmitriy) 5 July 2023 19: 51
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    Yes, airships are economical.
    But it must be understood that before a massive attack by enemy drones, the first strike will be on air defense radar airships in order to make gaps in the radar field.
    Therefore, it is advisable to constantly keep the Altiuses / their analogues with outboard radars on a "hot start", which quickly replace downed airships.
    Manned AWACS aircraft like the An-12, in such a situation, will be shot down with an unacceptably high probability.
    1. skeptic Offline skeptic
      skeptic 5 July 2023 22: 40
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      Quote: DO
      But it must be understood that before a massive attack by enemy drones, the first strike will be on air defense radar airships in order to make gaps in the radar field.

      And the AN-12 is a superhero, before a massive drone attack? Who is easier to protect, a constantly moving target, or stationary ones?
      1. DO Offline DO
        DO (Dmitriy) 6 July 2023 00: 16
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        Who is easier to protect, a constantly moving target, or stationary ones?

        The slow and low-maneuverable transport aircraft An-12 will be shot down by a missile with approximately the same probability as a stationary airship.
        There is also a recent illustration, shot down by the very first Il-22 missile - either from the Strela air defense system, or the Pantsir-S1.
        1. skeptic Offline skeptic
          skeptic 18 July 2023 00: 20
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          Quote: DO
          The slow and low-maneuverable transport aircraft An-12 will be shot down by a missile with approximately the same probability as a stationary airship.

          But to the low-maneuverable AN-12, the "Shell" cannot be picked up, unlike a balloon.
  3. unc-2 Offline unc-2
    unc-2 (Nikolai Malyugin) 5 July 2023 20: 34
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    If the goals of the operation are not achieved, now you need to take care of your defense.
    1. DO Offline DO
      DO (Dmitriy) 5 July 2023 21: 20
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      unc-2, arrivals are not excluded not only from Ukraine, but, for example, from the Gulf of Finland, or directly from a neighboring NATO country.
  4. borisvt Offline borisvt
    borisvt (boris) 5 July 2023 21: 09
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    Eh, everything is not easy in our hardened MO. Of course, a sound idea, but as far as I can imagine, it will require the creation of a combat airship unit, which will need to provide accommodation for personnel, provide uniforms and everything that a newly formed military unit should have, provide appropriate training in handling expensive and unfamiliar equipment.
    Before that, the minister will need to give an order to start work, starting from which the financial workers of the Moscow Region will include the future military unit in the budget for the next year - this is all, already bye - cutting off some other article, for example, pinching from the purchase of shells and cartridges for heavy machine guns, they say all the same, they fire, closing their eyes somewhere, to approve the staffing table with monetary allowance for all participants and announce an internal tender for authorized enterprises for the purchase of those very airships.
    Seriously, the implementation of this idea is not a joke, but decent money, people, and, in the end, airships that need to be found. In addition, without knowing the characteristics

    Radar N035 "Irbis" with a side-view optics complex

    Nevertheless, I believe that the meaning of the proposed lies precisely in these devices. If they allow you to detect enemy encroachments in advance, and prevent both the defeat of the airships themselves, and hit these encroachments on the way to the target, of course you need to do it!
  5. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 5 July 2023 22: 56
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    Everyone forgot the new AWACS A-100. Where is he?
    Aerostat AWACS cheap and cheerful. Just don’t raise it high, but for AWACS the higher the better and safer. For these purposes, you need an airship.
    Airship with a payload of 10-15 tons. Useful weight is antennas, transmitters, receivers and other equipment. A set of antennas is installed covering the range from meters to millimeters. Scanning, both mechanical and phase passive, active antenna array. All developments can be taken from the A-100. Working height 15 km. Time of continuous operation at height, 6 months (lowered and serviced). The airship is displayed at a given point and the electric motors maintain the given coordinates. The airship is connected to the ground by a cable. Power is supplied to the airship through a cable-rope, control is carried out, information is taken, etc. On the ground there is a diesel generator, a winch, a service for controlling, receiving and processing information. The cable is not load-bearing, it only holds itself. From a height of 15 km, the optical visibility range is 470 km. Such an airship, AWACS does not depend on the weather, it is difficult to bring it down. Having optical and thermal detection, it allows you to detect and track any drone - even an ultra-small one, an inflated balloon, a bird, as well as ground objects.
    1. DO Offline DO
      DO (Dmitriy) 6 July 2023 01: 05
      +1
      vlad127490, yes, in order for NATO to shoot down an airship at a distance of 470 km from the border and at an altitude of 15 km, they will need a fighter. But since this air defense subsystem is conceived against drones, it will most likely be a problem for it to shoot down a fighter. And the airship with the filling you offer costs a lot.
      That is, such a decision would be justified not within the framework of a cheap air defense subsystem against drones, but for a serious layered air defense against any threats.
      1. Vladimir1155 Online Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 6 July 2023 08: 36
        +1
        it is probably intended to use the entire spectrum of air defense AWACS, where airships will take a certain place in combination with other means
      2. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
        vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 6 July 2023 19: 29
        +1
        In 2012, on the initiative topic, calculations were made of the efficiency of AWACS on a balloon (Israel uses) and an airship. The airship is much more efficient. In the presence of a composite cable-rope, inside which a fiber-optic core, two cores of power wires pass, the airship can be raised to a height of 21 km. Everything slows down the cable-rope and the energy consumption of electric motors and equipment. Offline without email ground power, i.e. airship - a drone can operate at an altitude of 35 km for a week, the duration of operation is limited by the availability of fuel to generate electricity. energy. Equipment developments can be taken from the A-100. Then, the Ministry of Industry and Trade did not support R&D. I do not know the further fate.
  6. Plush Sergeant Offline Plush Sergeant
    Plush Sergeant 6 July 2023 02: 18
    +1
    Ersatz is always easier than the revival of the electronics industry
  7. prior Offline prior
    prior (Vlad) 6 July 2023 09: 10
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    By the way, where are they?

    The answer is simple and obvious.
    From a cheap topic, like a balloon or an airship, you can't "saw" much.
    Whether business A-100.
    There is no plane, and the money has been spent immeasurably ... and no one can say for what.
  8. 1_2 Offline 1_2
    1_2 (Ducks are flying) 6 July 2023 14: 02
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    of course, such ersatz AWACS are needed, you can hang the PFAR su35 which "hit" with a beam at 400 km. cable power from the ground. that's just foremen do not need it