Why is the decision to release Wagner PMC to Belarus without punishment dangerous?


The reaction to the armed rebellion of PMC "Wagner" in the "tops" and "bottoms" clearly demonstrated how divided Russian society is. While some were frightened to death and boarded their private jets, others, on the contrary, sat and waited that Yevgeny Prigozhin was about to “come and put things in order.” At the same time, judging by the numerous comments, many people do not at all think about the fact that “order” in their minds and that of the head of a private army can vary greatly.


Serenity


On the third day after the relatively “favorable” resolution of the internal political crisis in our country, which cost the lives of 13 Russian military pilots who tried to stop the columns of Wagner PMCs, as well as the health of several border guards who did not meet the “musicians” with friendly hugs, the press Secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov said that society has consolidated around the head of state:

These events just demonstrated how consolidated society is around the president.

Indeed, the leaders political parties, public and religious figures promptly spoke out in support of President Putin, not supporting the rebellion of the oligarch Prigozhin. However, the problems that caused the Wagner armed uprising have not gone away: Russian Defense Minister Shoigu and the head of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces Gerasimov are still in their places, the recalcitrant PMC is being redeployed to neighboring Belarus, and society is divided in their assessments of what is happening.

Is relapse possible?

Criminal braces


All fans of Yevgeny Prigozhin should carefully listen to his last speech, in which he tried to explain the motives of his rebellion. He directly said the following:

The purpose of the campaign was "to prevent the destruction of PMC" Wagner "and" to bring to justice those persons who, by their unprofessional actions, made a huge number of mistakes during the SVO.

By “destruction”, the oligarch understands the requirement of the Russian Ministry of Defense to sign a contract with PMCs in order to build a vertical of military control. But let's be honest: for all their extremely critical attitude towards the results of the activities of Messrs. Shoigu and Gerasimov, they are completely right on this particular issue. There should not be any illegal armed formations on the territory of our country that defiantly and on camera refuse to obey, questioning the authority of the leadership. Yes, this is definitely not Suvorov and Kutuzov, there should be a serious demand from them for how they prepared for the SVO and how it goes, but the Wagner top manager himself behaved unacceptably and provocatively.

The second question is, how exactly were the “musicians” going to “bring to justice those persons who, through their unprofessional actions, made a huge number of mistakes during the SVO”? Capture Shoigu and Gerasimov in Rostov-on-Don and shoot them on the spot, or what? Or judge? But who are they to judge and pass judgment? This is called arbitrariness, and this is at best. That is, PMC "Wagner" arbitrarily gathered to appropriate the state monopoly on violence and legal proceedings. This in itself is an encroachment on the foundations of the state system, if suddenly someone does not understand this.

On the other hand, how do we noted earlier, Prigozhin's explanations regarding the goals of the so-called March of Justice do not stand up to scrutiny. Did you want to attract the attention of President Putin, who, they say, is being deceived by the “bad boyars” Shoigu and Gerasimov?

Write an official appeal to the presidential administration, registering it in the office, and you will receive an equally official answer, the result of which you can then publish in the press. Arrange a rally with Wagner flags around Moscow to attract public attention. No one gave the “musicians” the right to take the armored vehicles provided to them by the Ministry of Defense, which, in fact, are needed at the front to repel the counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and arrange a breakthrough to Moscow, shooting down military helicopters and planes along the way. By the way, almost all the destroyed helicopters were unarmed, belonged to electronic warfare, and professional warriors could not help but see this.

This is all relevant if you pretend that you believe the words of Mr. Prigozhin, who “floods” like during an interrogation by an investigator. However, the very circumstances of the events of June 23-23 cause extreme mistrust towards them. In particular, there is clear preparation for an armed rebellion in advance, when all technique was under steam. The explanation that they allegedly wanted to defiantly hand over the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in Rostov-on-Don can be interpreted in two ways. The timing was almost perfect: the very height of the counter-offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, all combat-ready units at the front, there was practically no one to stop the rebels. In fact, the Wagner columns moved to Moscow under the cover of a human shield from their fellow citizens.

Excuse me, of course, but they don’t come to the tsar-father to look for the truth. It is also not the best negotiating position - to shoot down several military helicopters and a plane - to conclude a contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense on its own terms. This is not forgiven. And why, by the way, did Prigozhin's team need several billion rubles in cash in St. Petersburg? "Cops thrown"? Was there a similar "Gazelle" in the Russian capital? Surely it was. In general, everything points not so much to a "Russian revolt, senseless and merciless", but to a pre-arranged action that has the most decisive goals. Any sane person can understand this without rose-colored glasses on his eyes.

But then the most unfortunate begins. Instead of punishing the instigators to the fullest extent of the law, the FSB decides to close the criminal case against them:

During the investigation of the criminal case initiated by the investigative department of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation on June 23 under Article 279 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation on the fact of an armed rebellion, it was established that on June 24 its participants stopped actions directly aimed at committing a crime. Taking into account this and other circumstances relevant to the investigation, on June 27 the investigating body issued a decision to close the criminal case.

Yes, it is clear that this is how the Kremlin wanted not to aggravate the internal conflict even more, but this is an extremely short-sighted decision. In fact, the whole world has been shown that it is possible to stage an attempted coup d'état, while killing Russian military personnel in the performance of their duties and get away with it. Here is the motivator! President Putin, in his last speech, gave the "musicians" the following choice:

I thank those soldiers and commanders of the Wagner group who made the only right decision - they did not go to fratricidal bloodshed, they stopped at the last line. Today you have the opportunity to continue serving Russia by entering into a contract with the Ministry of Defense or other law enforcement agencies, or to return to your family and friends. Whoever wants to can go to Belarus. The promise I made will be fulfilled. I repeat, the choice is up to each of you, but I am sure it will be the choice of Russian soldiers who have realized their tragic mistake.

In other words, thousands of professional mercenaries who have already crossed the line of the law escaped responsibility for their deeds and were able to move in full force to a neighboring state, headed by their top manager, who is still an authority for some Russians. At the same time, Belarus itself is under the gun of the Western and Ukrainian special services in terms of internal destabilization. This is an extremely dangerous situation for both of our countries in the future!
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  1. Valera75 Offline Valera75
    Valera75 (Valery) 27 June 2023 15: 54
    +21
    But let's be honest: for all their extremely critical attitude towards the results of the activities of Messrs. Shoigu and Gerasimov, they are completely right in this particular issue. There should not be any illegal armed formations on the territory of our country that defiantly and on camera refuse to obey, questioning the authority of the leadership

    Well then, we must be honest and admit that Wagner was invited when, let's also be honest, the Russian army suffered a defeat, which was beautifully called "regroupings" (sorry, even earlier). Wagner started with Popasna, liberating her and took Soledar, destroying well-motivated troops. And at that time they were just like that, now they are catching everyone in a row and dragging the dill military commissars to the front by the scruff of the neck, and then there were hardened in the ATO and frostbite pravoseki with Azov. Well, then there was the Bakhmut meat grinder, in which Wagner was ground up with the remains of seasoned ukrovoyaks along with their equipment and given more than six months to the Russian army to create a three-level line of defense.
    They were invited and they saved the plight in which our commanders climbed on the most needless.

    Write an official appeal to the Presidential Administration, registering it in the office, and you will receive an equally official answer, the result of which you can then publish in the press

    Do you believe that the appeal immediately falls on the president’s table and is not filtered? I don’t even rule out that the president doesn’t even see what kind of appeals, he physically can’t do it.
    My opinion is that it would be possible not to force Wagner with these contracts into the army of the RF Armed Forces, but to withdraw most of them from the territory of the Russian Federation where they were before. But I think some people wanted to crush them under themselves and thereby shut up the mouth of those who harshly criticize him .
    1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 27 June 2023 16: 08
      -16
      There is only one answer for your entire opus - "So what?" Since when did old merit become a total indulgence, especially for treason and rebellion?
      1. Pembo Offline Pembo
        Pembo 28 June 2023 01: 01
        +13
        Prigozhin has old merits not before Putin, but first of all before Russia and the people. Putin just thought, who will the people sympathize with in the event of a collision between Wagner and rear rats?
        1. Jstas Offline Jstas
          Jstas (jstas) 28 June 2023 12: 13
          +7
          Judging by the fact that the shaigu survived, Putin said: There are two opinions - mine and the wrong one ...
      2. twice-born Offline twice-born
        twice-born (Unknown) 28 June 2023 09: 50
        +11
        These are not old merits, but current ones that could develop into future ones!
        And now, thanks to the power, the Russians have lost a super-trained and effective unit, which was the only one that effectively attacked and pounded the Nazis, while the entire army was standing, and is still standing, after its retreat!
    2. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 27 June 2023 16: 09
      -15
      well then, be honest to the end - the Luhansk region was completely liberated not by Wagner and all sorts of Khersons with Kharkov are not included in their goals. they only fall under the concepts of demilitarization and denazification. and this can be done, including by turning them into uninhabitable territories. Wagner received 86 billion from the state for their services. plus, they earned 80 billion from the supply of products to the army. they don't have the right to vote. they are mercenaries.
      1. Pembo Offline Pembo
        Pembo 28 June 2023 01: 21
        +3
        all sorts of Khersons with Kharkov ones are not included in the goals, they only fall under the concepts of demilitarization and denazification. and this can be done, including by turning them into uninhabitable territories

        Do you propose to carry out the denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine, turning it into an uninhabitable territory?
        1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
          Just a cat (Bayun) 28 June 2023 07: 55
          -7
          anything better than these natives will do it with Russia. they turn everything around them into Ukraine.
        2. Jstas Offline Jstas
          Jstas (jstas) 28 June 2023 12: 15
          0
          To bring denazification, the liberation of Ukraine from Jewish fascists and their accomplices in Russia to victory
          1. Daniel P Offline Daniel P
            Daniel P (Danil P) 29 June 2023 12: 26
            +3
            Now this is no longer possible. Putin blew all the opportunities, first in 2014, and then at 22, when he put traitors and saboteurs in command. Now, thanks to the "brilliant" foreign policy of Putin and his friend Lavrov, the whole world is against us.
      2. twice-born Offline twice-born
        twice-born (Unknown) 28 June 2023 10: 59
        +9
        They are Russian and therefore already have the right to vote in Russia. Although I understand that in our country only Jews, non-Russians and traitors-liberals have the right to vote.
        And you might think that the army is fighting for free! Although they say that many are not paid the required salary and remuneration.
        And Shoigu himself with his daughter s / n and all the money earned from army supplies are transferred to orphanages!
        1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
          Just a cat (Bayun) 28 June 2023 14: 49
          -5
          during the war, orders are not discussed ... where are those Russians who were unhappy with Zhukov's command and Stalin's decrees? too much democracy...
    3. Vyacheslav_6 Offline Vyacheslav_6
      Vyacheslav_6 (Vyacheslav) 28 June 2023 08: 46
      -11
      Well then, let's be honest, Wagner did nothing to help. For almost a year he took the almost surrounded Artyomovsk. The professionalism of professionals is greatly exaggerated. But Wagner's losses are greatly underestimated. The Ukrainians suffered the main losses from artillery. According to the White House, Wagner's losses accounted for 50% of all Russian losses, and 90% of them were ex-cons.
      1. twice-born Offline twice-born
        twice-born (Unknown) 28 June 2023 11: 07
        +6
        According to the White House. 90% former convicts

        ?! You still believe Zele and Goebbels and Biden!
        Western propaganda works like crazy!
        Yes, and that former convicts cannot voluntarily defend their homeland and native people, or do they do it somehow badly? Let them atone for their sins and evil before the people, rather than vegetate in prison!
      2. wichera65 Offline wichera65
        wichera65 (Vladimir Baranlv) 28 June 2023 17: 52
        -3
        Vyacheslav, thanks! Finally I saw at least one balanced comment.
    4. svit55 Offline svit55
      svit55 (Sergey Valentinovich) 28 June 2023 20: 30
      -2
      Wagner was not "invited", but obliged to work off the crazy state money. The guarantor announced yesterday. So this is only for payments, they did not buy weapons. Spend that money on any division. and the result will be the same.
  2. Azvozdam Offline Azvozdam
    Azvozdam (Azvozdam) 27 June 2023 16: 11
    +15
    From this author! Well done, smashed the Wagners (Prigozhin) to smithereens. There are a huge number of shortcomings in the MO. But this is so, a trifle, you should not pay attention.
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    5. Daniel P Offline Daniel P
      Daniel P (Danil P) 29 June 2023 12: 49
      +4
      Little things ?? The defeat of our tank divisions near Kiev Kharkov in March 2022, little things ?? The defeat near Izyum and the flight from Krasnog Liman, leaving hundreds of armored vehicles and mountains of ammunition to the enemy, are also little things? A shameful attempt at a deal in March 2022, after realizing the defeat near Kiev, an attempt to rent Crimea from crests, which seems to be ours for 15 years?
      1. bobba94 Offline bobba94
        bobba94 (Vladimir) 2 July 2023 19: 41
        +2
        For patriotism, I give Danila 5. For a sense of humor - a deuce .....
    6. Azvozdam Offline Azvozdam
      Azvozdam (Azvozdam) 1 July 2023 23: 44
      +3
      Aesopian language is not clear to everyone, especially if the text is filtered. (Edited)
  3. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 27 June 2023 16: 37
    +23
    Mr. author does not seem to understand that the immediate punishment of the Wagnerites, who are supported by more than a third of the patriotic citizens of the Russian Federation, will lead to a real civil war. Then the president stepped on his own throat (just now he called traitors with a knife in the back), but knowing vindictiveness, he will continue to exterminate them in parts - such a vile practice in Russia has long been, and the great Vissarionovich began ... The problem is not the Wagnerites, the problem in a completely rotten vertical of power (As they "twitched" with money abroad from Moscow, even air tickets have risen in price by an ORDER and more).
    1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 27 June 2023 16: 47
      -14
      Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
      supported by more than a third of patriotic citizens of the Russian Federation

      I hope you can indicate the source confirming this level of support? Something tells me that this is just your idle tales and conjectures
      1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 27 June 2023 19: 20
        +14
        Replica. Meeting of the Wagnerites in Rostov, watch the video and see for yourself. Also the actions of units of the RF Armed Forces. Anti-Wagnerian propaganda is unwinding, it seems that you are a participant in it ....
        1. wichera65 Offline wichera65
          wichera65 (Vladimir Baranlv) 28 June 2023 18: 01
          -10
          I watched the video, I didn’t see the jubilant crowd. I saw bewilderment on their faces, but I saw it. And, I also saw a bunch of young idiots who, on command, were the ringleaders (and now we’ll clap, and now we’ll shout - Wagner), somehow uncertainly raged.
      2. twice-born Offline twice-born
        twice-born (Unknown) 28 June 2023 11: 10
        +9
        The "source" - the Russian people or even the FSB will confirm that Vagnerrv supports not even 30%, the comrade recalled, but 90! I don't know and haven't met anyone to condemn the Wagnerites for their reaction.
        1. kapitan92 Offline kapitan92
          kapitan92 (Vyacheslav) 28 June 2023 11: 47
          +6
          Quote: Twice-born
          The "source" - the Russian people or even the FSB will confirm that Vagnerrv supports not even 30%, the comrade recalled, but 90! I don't know and haven't met anyone to condemn the Wagnerites for their reaction.

          "Wagner" voiced what everyone is talking about in the kitchens, after a glass.
          The "system" is rotten, the Army is not ready for war, embezzlement, nepotism, corruption.
          God forbid, Russia survive another civil war. The "system" itself leads to this, with its inaction, empty chatter, outright lies.
          The guarantor got a chance to clean out the "stables", let's see how he will take advantage of this chance.! hi
          1. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
            Peter rybak (Patrol) 3 July 2023 21: 02
            0
            clean out the stables

            What stables? What did he clean up? Put a couple of thousand behind bars?
            Thousands have left the country. Thousands. Whatever you call them - traitors, fifth column, cowards. The color of science and culture, modern technology and development has left. To call them enemies simply because they do not want to die for incomprehensible ideals is a sin against the Lord.
            He didn't clean up anything.
            1. trampoline instructor (Cotriarch Peril) 4 July 2023 04: 28
              0
              The color of science and culture has left,

              As for the "color" is too strong a word. The Pugagalkins, the chastushechnik Nazarov, Khamatova ... the most "flowery", whom I offhand remembered.
    2. Vyacheslav_6 Offline Vyacheslav_6
      Vyacheslav_6 (Vyacheslav) 28 June 2023 09: 04
      -11
      If those who support Wagner yell the most and actively downvote, this does not mean that they make up a third. Literally a few hours before the coup, I wrote a message that Prigozhin reminds me of Yeltsin - the same populist and narrow-minded person, and that his actions could lead to the collapse of Russia. Pravda expressed the hope that wisdom works, that history repeats itself twice: the first time as a tragedy, the second as a farce. The farce did not quite turn out: the Russian leadership did not show itself in the best way, the putschists were not punished, the pilots died. I would prefer that the goats led by Prigozhin were wiped out during the march. Once again, the truth would be confirmed: mercenaries always lose to the army. And another thing that really scared me: this is the fact that we have a weak government. Strong would not allow breaking the law. When she did not respond to Prigozhin's barking, I could still understand: it makes sense to turn pugs to barking. When he started arresting servicemen and he had nothing to do, I thought. When Prigozhin was released to Belarus, I realized how bad things are at the top.
      1. Anatoly21 Offline Anatoly21
        Anatoly21 (Anatoly21) 28 June 2023 11: 23
        +5
        mercenaries always lose to army

        ... this is when military generals, not firefighters, are at the head of the army.
      2. wichera65 Offline wichera65
        wichera65 (Vladimir Baranlv) 28 June 2023 18: 05
        0
        That's right, I'm for it!
      3. Yuri Ivanovich Offline Yuri Ivanovich
        Yuri Ivanovich (Yuri Ivanovich) 28 June 2023 19: 44
        +2
        You are right: the elite and power are rotting
      4. Pembo Offline Pembo
        Pembo 29 June 2023 11: 19
        +4
        When Prigozhin was released to Belarus, I realized how bad things are at the top.

        You thought for a long time to understand that everything is bad upstairs. And the "pug" Prigozhin simply shouted about it.
      5. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
        Peter rybak (Patrol) 3 July 2023 21: 04
        -1
        If those who support Wagner yell the most and actively minus

        You are downvoted for the fact that you used to pray to Wagner, and now you have signed up for their haters.
        And those are all who support your opinion.
  4. Eduard Aplombov Offline Eduard Aplombov
    Eduard Aplombov (Eduard Aplombov) 27 June 2023 16: 43
    +14
    the author wants to squeeze out of the story with PMCs to the last drop, an inexorable desire to jump up so that they notice, take note of the higher-ranking scammers
    zero information, draws everything from the network but presents it as if he had attended a meeting of the Security Council, looks so-so
    there was an interview with Andrey Pinchuk - there was no rebellion, where he intelligibly outlined his opinion with this verbiage can not be compared
  5. Vladimir R. Offline Vladimir R.
    Vladimir R. (Vladimir Russian) 27 June 2023 17: 07
    +20
    Yes, but the president didn’t seem to see or hear anything. If he had reacted in time to the internecine strife between his military leaders, there would have been no march at all. And he sat and waited...
    1. twice-born Offline twice-born
      twice-born (Unknown) 28 June 2023 11: 15
      +2
      Okay, I waited. You might think that he does not lead Shoigu and that he did everything himself without approval!
  6. Aleksey Glotov Offline Aleksey Glotov
    Aleksey Glotov (alexey glotov) 27 June 2023 17: 14
    +18
    Mdaaa something Marzhetsky suffered the devil knows where ... how he was going to punish tens of thousands of well-armed, trained and motivated fighters ... ... decided to throw more firewood on the fire of the civil war.
    1. Yuri Ivanovich Offline Yuri Ivanovich
      Yuri Ivanovich (Yuri Ivanovich) 28 June 2023 19: 49
      -5
      Marzhetsky speaks smarter than all his critics put together.
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  8. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 27 June 2023 17: 39
    +9
    As always.

    At first they broadcast about 2 dead border guards. Then 2m broke their legs. Then to one. Now it's simple:

    also health to several border guards

    What, how, is not clear.

    Were there other affected Russians, except for pilots and border guards ..... nowhere is a word.
    I hope that people from possibly burnt cars survived. And the guilty will be punished. But...
    Recall the downed aircraft near Bryansk at least. Snap of fingers from above and silence ...

    In reality, the "elite," writes Dugin, ran away. But now - won almost personally.
    And then ... they will forget like a grandmother with a red flag. Or Endogan - a terrorist and a killer of pilots ....
  9. Valera75 Offline Valera75
    Valera75 (Valery) 27 June 2023 17: 57
    +6
    Quote: k7k8
    There is only one answer for your entire opus - "So what?" Since when did old merit become a total indulgence, especially for treason and rebellion?

    You tell me? I answered the author’s text that there should not be PMCs on the territory of Russia, and I explained that the Ministry of Defense and the commander-in-chief had invited her there. Just like once in Syria, to do the entire ground operation.
  10. borisvt Offline borisvt
    borisvt (boris) 27 June 2023 18: 03
    +16
    Everything is good and harmonious and logical in the reasoning of a respected author, certainly a smart man. However, about the "campaign" I do not want to agree with him.
    We're not fighting the way we should, right? Why are extremely necessary measures not being taken or delayed - the same mobilization that was months late? Why does a combat unit that has completed its task to the fullest bend under the inept military leadership?
    Well, yes, Prigozhin is not an angel and seeks to cash in even more - in my opinion, this is normal. During the hostilities, he behaved bravely, impudently - and flew in an airplane and sent Morse code from shells to Zele the clown and regularly flashed at the front line. He fulfilled his promises, the soldiers believed him - as befits a commander.
    As an excellent organizer, and risking his life, he did the maximum - he moved the authorities in the face, so much so that money splashed from Moscow. And, by the way, he achieved his goal: the musicians are not disbanded and will continue to perform tasks.
    I think we'll see what
    1. Flight Offline Flight
      Flight (voi) 28 June 2023 11: 57
      -3
      Well, yes, Prigozhin is not an angel and seeks to cash in even more - in my opinion, this is normal. During the hostilities, he behaved bravely, impudently - and flew in an airplane and sent Morse code from shells to Zele the clown and regularly flashed at the front line. He fulfilled his promises, the soldiers believed him - as befits a commander.

      To whom - war, and to whom - mother dear. It remains to write down the owner of the PMC in the great generals.
  11. Valera75 Offline Valera75
    Valera75 (Valery) 27 June 2023 18: 04
    +9
    Quote: k7k8
    I hope you can indicate the source confirming this level of support? Something tells me that this is just your idle tales and conjectures

    And you will argue that the whole country did not support?
    I now know the majority in my environment who supported Wagner, but not in rebellion, but in voicing their problems and the mess that is happening.
    Five videos of bloggers, who for the most part lie that mom don’t cry, but the nightingale’s chatter and I didn’t see anything else on the second channel. Well, Filatov’s whining and whining like Wagner was paid only for ready-made reports and how bad they are.
    So let's not argue who supported whom more, I can, in contrast, recall that PMC groups were blocked on the network.
    Therefore, I consider this discussion unnecessary.
    1. Jstas Offline Jstas
      Jstas (jstas) 28 June 2023 12: 19
      +3
      watch TV - do not respect yourself
  12. unc-2 Offline unc-2
    unc-2 (Nikolai Malyugin) 27 June 2023 18: 27
    -1
    If there is such unanimity in society, why have this conversation? And if something is smoldering, I do not intend to throw firewood on the fire. There is someone to do it without me. After all, in fact, Lukashenka was not supposed to be engaged in peacekeeping. We have Patriarch Kirill. This is his direct task. I don’t understand the tasks of religion at all. But she has one task. So that our people live in harmony.
    1. Pembo Offline Pembo
      Pembo 27 June 2023 19: 38
      +5
      After all, in fact, Lukashenka was not supposed to be engaged in peacekeeping. We have Patriarch Kirill. This is his direct task.

      Indeed, the patriarch of the Wagnerites would have been invited to the monastery.
  13. prior Offline prior
    prior (Vlad) 27 June 2023 18: 32
    +9
    We will never know the real truth, neither from the press, nor from Putin.
    But what is quite obvious is that now all Wagnerites in Russia will be persecuted, both well-deserved and not very well-deserved.
    And with payments, and with privileges. Our officials know how to trample.
    And for the fear that they experienced during the march, they will certainly take revenge.
    Maybe it's good that Wagner went to Belarus.
    1. Svetlana13579 Offline Svetlana13579
      Svetlana13579 (Svetlana) 28 June 2023 00: 53
      -13
      And you were not afraid? Do you really not understand what trouble we have avoided? We were on the edge of an abyss and almost fell into the abyss. Several brigades of high-class military specialists armed with heavy equipment, including air defense, were moving towards Moscow. Do you think they could just be stopped by the availability of funds and people that were at the disposal of Moscow? All heavy weapons and shelled fighters at the front. There was no time to stretch. A sea of ​​blood would be shed, including among civilians. And they would hardly have been stopped, for this it would have been necessary to withdraw individual units from the front, in this case, most likely, the front would have crumbled and we would have had to retreat to Rostov and the Crimea, and maybe further. There were intentions of Poland to enter Belarus under the cover of Belarusian brigades formed from fugitive Belarusians. They could lose Belarus as a state allied to us with all the ensuing consequences. Chaos could begin in the country, and if Prigozhin seized power, a civil war would begin. The country has already been divided, all this escaped liberal rot has already held a conference on how it plans to dismember the country. Now compare all the merits of Wagner, who, moreover, if their scenario were implemented, would simply reset the destruction of the country, and at best, again 90 years, or even much worse.
      1. Lomlad Offline Lomlad
        Lomlad (Alex) 28 June 2023 09: 46
        +6
        Well, the frightened patriots pulled themselves up. Were they scared for their own capital, or for their owners? Or for a non-dusty job and bread. position?
      2. Anatoly21 Offline Anatoly21
        Anatoly21 (Anatoly21) 28 June 2023 11: 33
        +6
        Sveta, didn’t you think that a “sea of ​​blood” could appear due to the stubbornness of the Commander-in-Chief in his unwillingness to restore order in the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff?
      3. Uncle Vlad Offline Uncle Vlad
        Uncle Vlad (Uncle Vlad) 29 June 2023 07: 24
        +1
        With whom is the Civil War? Do you really think that the junior officers will be on the fronts of the Civil War and will raise soldiers (which ones) shouting for "for Putin, for Nabiulina."
      4. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
        Peter rybak (Patrol) 3 July 2023 21: 14
        -1
        We were on the edge of the abyss and almost fell into the abyss...

        Where are we now?

        A sea of ​​blood would be shed, including among civilians.

        And what is pouring on the fronts for a whole year and a half? Kefir?
        Where else to destroy the country?
        And you're talking about liberals, about the fifth column. Who else would you blame all the troubles on? Who to blame already. Everyone is in prison.
        Here is an extract for you:

        Liberalism (from Latin liberalis "free") is a philosophical and socio-political trend that proclaims the inviolability of human rights and freedoms.

        So what's wrong with that, you are our powerless?
  14. Potapov Offline Potapov
    Potapov (Valery) 27 June 2023 18: 57
    +6
    The most combat-ready formation of the NVO is going to Belarus ... Elusive Joe has arrived at the front ... we are waiting for trouble ... Lenin and Prigogine will be to blame ...
  15. JD1979 Offline JD1979
    JD1979 (Dmitriy) 27 June 2023 19: 31
    +14
    On the third day after the relatively "favorable" resolution of the internal political crisis in our country, which cost the lives of 13 Russian military pilots who were trying to stop the columns of PMC "Wagner"

    those. not a single one ... with golden shoulder straps went to a meeting to talk and resolve issues. crap out of fear rushed to bomb the columns.

    By “destruction”, the oligarch understands the requirement of the Russian Ministry of Defense to sign a contract with PMCs in order to build a vertical of military control. But let's be honest: for all their extremely critical attitude towards the results of the activities of Messrs. Shoigu and Gerasimov, they are completely right on this particular issue.

    Yeah, let's not finish the action we started, let's break the working and effective tool that PMC Wagner was, subordinating it to the Ministry of Defense with their bureaucracy and stupidity. Bravo. And during the reorganization and the accompanying mess, Mr. Marzhetsky will personally go to the Ukrainians to persuade them to wait.

    There should not be any illegal armed formations on the territory of our country that defiantly and on camera refuse to obey, questioning the authority of the leadership.

    What are you?! Has anyone made them illegal? Dear, can you show me where? documentary? Leadership authority? And he was? I understand that you work for a small bribe from Kuguzhetovich, but in war, authority is earned not with beautiful words and an important look. And the authority of the Moscow Region is somewhere at the level of the bottom of the Mariana Trench in terms of the totality of all miscalculations.

    That is, PMC "Wagner" arbitrarily gathered to appropriate the state monopoly on violence and legal proceedings. This in itself is an encroachment on the foundations of the state system, if suddenly someone does not understand this.

    Yeah, they encroached on the loot))), forgive the sacred))) only the elite can cut suckers.
  16. 1_2 Offline 1_2
    1_2 (Ducks are flying) 27 June 2023 19: 56
    +10
    if Tsar Nikolashka 2 was fair, didn’t spread rot on the people, didn’t hold him for cattle, who couldn’t even be able to read and write (the kings were afraid that the mob people would read revolutionary leaflet books), if he didn’t surround himself with thieves and agents of the West, would develop the national economy, and not hand over almost the entire economy of the Republic of Ingushetia to foreigners (enemies) .. and much if, then the people would not have thought about the rebellion-revolution, but for now the Russian people were thinking how to throw off the chains of tsarism, the entourage of the Tsar ... the first to make a coup in February 1917, and after that chaos began, controlled from the West (before that it was just a mess because of the stupid king.) Which was supposed to end with the collapse of the country, followed by the invasion of the Entente to suppress the protests of the natives and occupation. The talker, as a great "historian", blames the Bolsheviks for the collapse of the Republic of Ingushetia, apparently believes that the generation of the Unified State Examination does not know about the February Zion coup. after which Kerensky became the head of Russia. one does not have to be very smart not to see in today's situation an analogy with the situation in the country before 1917. Of course, Govorun understands everything, but draws completely different conclusions, he sees the danger in the people, and not in his environment, he doesn’t want to change anything and no one, everyone remains in place, everyone who completed an internship at Yale University, so the dollar already costs 85r, prices continue to rise, a handful of oligarchs continue to rake hundreds of billions of dollars out of the country. at the same time, TV asks for money for CBO, for operations on children. against the Russian Federation, the West has declared a hybrid war, but the agents of the West continue to steer the economy and I wouldn’t be surprised if they already steer in the army, and who, apart from them, could allow the deliberate bankruptcy of gunpowder and other factories of the Moscow Region? that even had to buy gunpowder from the Chinese. as soon as Wagner said about the mess in the NWO, because of which they suffer heavy losses, Putin accused them of treason.
    Well, yes, maybe Prigogine is a double agent, but for six months this agent could not knock out shells to destroy the enemies of the Russian Federation. and those who didn’t give it to him continue to sit and apparently continue to set up Russian boys like in Chechnya
    1. Jstas Offline Jstas
      Jstas (jstas) 28 June 2023 12: 21
      +3
      "Bloody Sunday -2" did not work, because Wagner went to the "king" for justice with a weapon in his hands
    2. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
      Peter rybak (Patrol) 3 July 2023 21: 17
      0
      if Tsar Nikolashka 2 was fair ...

      You are not very well versed in history, because your idea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbpre-revolutionary and revolutionary Russia, as well as the reign of Nicholas II, is so dense, there is nowhere further.
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  18. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 27 June 2023 21: 42
    -2
    Why is the decision to release Wagner PMC to Belarus without punishment dangerous?

    Let's leave the "punishment" aside. Society, just not consolidated, but split. A significant part supports Wagner. Of course, by their actions, the leaders of PMCs earned themselves a life sentence (thanks to the European Union, the death penalty was temporarily abolished).

    But I'm interested in the first part of the sentence.
    According to Putin

    "From May 2022 to May 2023 alone, the state paid the Wagner company 86 billion 262 million rubles for cash support and incentive payments."
    "Of these, the financial allowance - 70 billion 384 (million - IF), incentive payments - 15 billion 877 million
    In addition, according to him, 110 billion 179 million rubles were allocated for insurance payments.

    Total about 200 billion rubles. The fact that Prigozhin himself earned another 80 billion on contracts with the Moscow Region is somehow no longer remembered.
    But... given the situation at the front, perhaps these payments were justified. I have always said that blood is worth more than any money.

    So, Lukashenka takes Wagner (or what is left of him) to him. This means that a fairly large part (several thousand) of professional military personnel is leaving the territory of Russia. Let not through Lars or on a superjet. But the men are leaving the war. God will judge them, but the Motherland will not forgive. This is the question of the effectiveness of PMCs. Yes, they know how to fight. For money. Protecting the homeland is not.
    Second part. And why does Lukashenka need these people, who, in general, do not know how to do anything other than fight? Pay them the same money? Arm them with tanks, artillery and other things? It is unlikely that Lukashenka has gone so crazy.

    There are already conspiracy theories. Wagner from the territory of Belarus will go to Kyiv (to Vilnius, to Warsaw). Well, until they talk about London. The same argument. Dad hasn't lost his mind yet. And he will fight only if his house burns badly. In the meantime, this is not there, he must endure at hand either 8 or 30 thousand peasants who need money and war. Lukashenka does not have that kind of money and he is unlikely to arm them.

    I have no answer to this question.
  19. Anchonsha Offline Anchonsha
    Anchonsha (Anchonsha) 27 June 2023 22: 09
    -3
    Let's better not discuss the actions of our President in terms of the fact that the rebellion was actually stopped after our GDP gave its word that the criminal case against Prigozhin would be closed and he could leave for Belarus. Thus, Putin V.V. prevented the massacre of the Wagnerites in Rostov-on-Don and on the way to Moscow. And these private traders in the amount of 25 people. they would turn our citizens into a bloody mess, hiding behind them like Bandera. In addition, there were no troops to stop such an armored fist of musicians, everyone was at the front. So the GDP did the right thing for humanitarian reasons. If now some (including the author of this article) whined about injustice with minimal losses, then what would happen if the GDP really listened to the whiners about violating the laws of the Criminal Code, then how many people would die and the author would again blame Putin, but already convicted of cannibalism .. So shut up and chew on a rag if you don’t understand what trouble we have avoided
    1. Jstas Offline Jstas
      Jstas (jstas) 28 June 2023 12: 26
      +6
      from an anecdote:

      you can’t punish the blacksmith alone, who will forge? But he beat the miller... Let's punish the carpenter. There are two of them.
    2. Sergei Fonov Offline Sergei Fonov
      Sergei Fonov (sergey fonov) 28 June 2023 13: 34
      +3
      Write correctly, you avoided a big trouble, but you need to be able to command the front, this is not a parade here, inability is fraught with death, but in this case, a civil war, the Moscow Region and the National Guard of Staff, instead of stopping the conflict, fled from the troops, not even to their subordinate generals at the front, but fled from the front, leaving everything. Forgetting about Moscow and the president.
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  20. strange guest Online strange guest
    strange guest (Strange Guest) 27 June 2023 23: 00
    +13
    If the state excludes the possibility for a group or estate to achieve something legally, there will always be attempts to achieve this illegally. Well, that's the way the world works. Since ancient Egypt and Rome.
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  22. bsk_una Offline bsk_una
    bsk_una (Nick) 28 June 2023 04: 06
    +5
    The assessment will be given by the future, now they will be assessed only from the position that is beneficial to a group of persons in power, which sought to seize the structure of PMCs by violent means. This conflict has been going on for a long time, but there is not quite enough wisdom to sort it out.
  23. serivolkf1 Offline serivolkf1
    serivolkf1 (sergey wolf) 28 June 2023 08: 58
    -9
    I don’t see the point in chasing ordinary vygners, but it’s possible and necessary to have a kosher cook ... VVP is not a fussy man, he has professional restraint and caution (sometimes bordering on fear), .. it seems to me that after some time the whole world will spread the news that g Prigozhin was found dead, the version will be banal, a dispute between business entities in the diamond business of the "black continent"
  24. twice-born Offline twice-born
    twice-born (Unknown) 28 June 2023 09: 22
    +7
    And what else will the official media write now: is there anything against Putin or will they justify Prigozhin?
    And Prigozhin, what will he now say that he was going to overthrow Putin and the enemies of Russia, who were sold with giblets to Russians on the outskirts?! Of course not! The Wagnerites, apparently, simply defended themselves by shooting down planes and helicopters, and what they were there with is another question.
    And that the GDP has forgiven them, so far (Has it forgiven? It only forgives the Nazis for now, the West and their henchmen, traitor liberals from our "elite".), this is very far-sighted and not dangerous in the end. The cat (power) knows whose meat it ate!
    Otherwise, the army could openly go over to their side, and the Russian people would finally rise up, which, therefore, is for justice and its survival in the country!
  25. twice-born Offline twice-born
    twice-born (Unknown) 28 June 2023 09: 43
    +5
    They are Russian and therefore they have the right to vote for justice for the Russian people. They already know the whole trench truth. And that the army is fighting for free, and that Shoigu and his daughter are transferring all the salaries to children in orphanages?
  26. lord-palladore-11045 (Konstantin Puchkov) 28 June 2023 10: 06
    +9
    Actually, as I understand it, Wagner was invited to help in the NWO. But Wagner is a Private Military Company, and it is not the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in the person of Shoigu who is authorized to invite her, but the president as the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, and accordingly the supreme commander must conclude an agreement with Wagner, which, as I understand it, was not done. Then the question is - what is the place of the RF Ministry of Defense and Shoigu in his person? This is where the whole "mutiny" came from - guys, you need to be more honest in your actions and thoughts, and not look at private property as a poorly lying object!
    1. lord-palladore-11045 (Konstantin Puchkov) 28 June 2023 13: 26
      +4
      Thus, they simply wanted to throw Prigozhin.
  27. Constantine N Offline Constantine N
    Constantine N (Constantin N) 28 June 2023 10: 34
    -17
    Prigogine sold out to the West a long time ago and a plan of rebellion was drawn up for him, he prepared according to it, gained authority. And it is not clear how many Wagnerites sold themselves to the West along with him. And if NATO or Vsu decides to attack Poland, will the Wagnerites take their side, again under some pretext.
    Who even believes in his nonsense about the motives of the rebellion?
    1. Anatoly21 Offline Anatoly21
      Anatoly21 (Anatoly21) 28 June 2023 11: 47
      +4
      There was a figure here who believed the delirium from the Kremlin ...
  28. Yuri Neupokoev Offline Yuri Neupokoev
    Yuri Neupokoev (Yuri Neupokoev) 28 June 2023 12: 14
    +3
    The staging, with some variations, was generally a success. Maybe the "partners" managed to participate in some capacity (but not with such an ending for them ...)) Now the task is to properly "fill up" all this with branches and other media garbage. Maybe the extreme ones, formally, will be found (they have already managed to reward those who are especially uninvolved, this is sacred). Of course, both the EVP and the Wagners are not "soft and fluffy" and people died. But on the other hand, the Order of Malta gives medals to people for a reason (unlike the late USSR). And, whatever one may say, but the head of the Moscow Region is even more difficult than the EVP and even the GDP. Everyone has skeletons in their closet. The main result so far - the Wagners in Belarus, 150 km from Kyiv and not far from the Psheks - is a fact, because now you can write whatever you want. This is a small plus. And the war is not over yet.
  29. Flight Offline Flight
    Flight (voi) 28 June 2023 12: 21
    +2
    25 thousand bayonets who know how to earn money with the help of weapons. What will they do in retirement? Do you think the money that they receive is enough for them to meet a happy old age?
  30. Vadim Sharygin Offline Vadim Sharygin
    Vadim Sharygin (Citizen) 28 June 2023 12: 52
    +5
    I don’t think that Prigozhin and the fighters of the Wagner PMC are to blame for the fact that after a year and a half of the NMD the situation turned out to be what it is now: zigzag return of troops led to regular rocket and artillery shelling of the Russian regions adjacent to Ukraine by the Armed Forces of Ukraine; until now, intact bridges across the Dnieper through which there is an active supply of offensive groups of Ukronazis, the ratio is at least two to one, the constant and noticeable numerical superiority of the Armed Forces of Ukraine over our advancing and defending infantry, throughout the NMD, strategic passivity, constant winning back all new and more and more dangerous provocations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine; delay in mobilization, respectively, depriving hundreds of thousands of citizens of the country of the opportunity to qualitatively and timely prepare themselves for hostilities; the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, the cruiser Moskva, who died out of the blue without a fight; the border on the very first day of the Wagnerites' advance to Moscow - there is something for our Defense Ministry to work on, there is something to think about and something to correct, instead of reading morality and groaning about the fact that the Wagner PMC, instead of being punished by prison, was again placed near the most dangerous sector of the front of confrontation with Russia and NATO. I am sure that the fighters of PMC "Wagner" will prove more than once, more than once professionally and heroically convince all doubters, including the author of the article, of their love for Russia, of their readiness to defeat the Ukronazis and their NATO patrons!
  31. sap Offline sap
    sap (Alex) 28 June 2023 13: 17
    -4
    You would slow down with your fabrications. And it is not so far from the foreign agent. You were directly informed for what it was started and what was the result.

    don't be rude
  32. Sergei Fonov Offline Sergei Fonov
    Sergei Fonov (sergey fonov) 28 June 2023 13: 19
    +7
    The text reminded me of the famous film "Slave! How you give a petition to the king" I have long thought that it is good that the troops are calm. But it happened. Who is to blame and what to do? If you remember about the causal relationship, it is easy to determine the cause. I have a question for the author, Not everyone is trusted to protect someone protected by state immunity, but you need to think. I already wrote that Prigozhin did something wrong, but what did the Moscow Region and the NHS do? Instead of correcting the situation, they abandoned the front to the mercy of fate, abandoned Akhmat to Wagner, we miraculously avoided a new Chechen war. Moscow with the president is defenseless, those cadets who were shown on TV have a desire, but do not have experience in military operations. Russia is a home for me and others, and not a place to earn money, so people demand adequate people in law enforcement agencies, the country should not be a hostage to someone's ambitions.
  33. In passing Offline In passing
    In passing (Galina Rožkova) 28 June 2023 13: 53
    +3
    The government is to blame. What allowed the creation of the current Ukraine. What crushed the "spring". I believed (?) the Minsk signatories ... We started the NWO. In a fire incident, they called Prigozhin's PMC to save the army, well, the guys did their job well. But all the shoals of power remained in place! What was the basis of the conflict? I don’t think that only graters with MO. And still, armed action by a military unit is unacceptable. After all, the country is really split, it’s good that they didn’t bring it to blood. Now they are already saying that the helicopters were unarmed, why were they sent at all then? And why then were they shot down? No need to get hot right now. We need to investigate what, how and why it happened and happened. When everything is clear, it is possible to bring to justice those who are really guilty. And if the authorities do not intend to correct their jambs, but only "roll everything under the rug", someday it will explode for real. And you can say a lot.
    1. svit55 Offline svit55
      svit55 (Sergey Valentinovich) 28 June 2023 20: 52
      +3
      There will be no investigation, all criminal cases have already been closed, the rebels have gone abroad, the pilots have been buried, the guarantor speaks intensively on TV on any occasion to distract and chat. Kanashenkov reports to the public every hour. The Defense Ministry will again gather a full hall of girls with general epaulettes, and read them a report about NATO. Everything is as it was.
  34. Khentiamenti Offline Khentiamenti
    Khentiamenti (Hentiamenti) 28 June 2023 13: 58
    +6
    One person is responsible for everything that happens in the country, this person is known to everyone! Nothing was done by this man to stop the escalation of the Prigozhin-MO conflict. Things have been going on for several months...
  35. populist Offline populist
    populist (popular) 28 June 2023 15: 15
    +1
    Without victory in this war, there will be no Russia. Only Wagner can win. So why eliminate it?
  36. Vox Populi Offline Vox Populi
    Vox Populi (vox populi) 28 June 2023 15: 34
    +5
    I was and remain of the opinion that in a normal state there should not be any PMCs, and security should be provided by capable Armed Forces and law enforcement agencies! However, all the philippics (largely fair) against Wagner and its owner automatically raise the question: aren't these subjects a product of the system itself, with all the ensuing consequences (including anecdotal complaints about the amounts paid "there" from the budget)?!
  37. Dart2027 Online Dart2027
    Dart2027 28 June 2023 19: 25
    -5
    At the same time, Belarus itself is under the gun of the Western and Ukrainian special services in terms of internal destabilization.

    It looks like everything was started in order to deploy the musicians there. The Polish president is already speaking out about the violation of Polish interests.
  38. Yuri Ivanovich Offline Yuri Ivanovich
    Yuri Ivanovich (Yuri Ivanovich) 28 June 2023 19: 56
    -2
    Thanks, Sergey Marzhetsky! Clever analysis, not like idiotic jingoism.
  39. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
    Peter rybak (Patrol) 3 July 2023 20: 54
    0
    Sergei, what's wrong with you? You have given up all studies, all other topics, and day by day you are pouring mud on Wagner. Not just Prigogine, but also Wagner. Are you afraid that you are making a mistake?
  40. Yumico Offline Yumico
    Yumico 3 July 2023 21: 57
    +1
    In my opinion, the guys from Wagner just wanted to be disposed of, either financial issues were involved, or ..., put yourself in the place of E. Prigozhin, when his guys were dying before our eyes without the required amount of ammunition, and I talked to him through my lips.
    On the other hand, if all means of communication with mo were unavailable or blocked, there was only one way out - a personal meeting ... And no coup. And the fact that the Russian cattle depot went abroad - questions to the guarantor - where did this abomination come from? ....